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Title: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: SPQR on November 16, 2020, 02:23:58 pm
The air is unhealthy again but nobody seems to care. SARS-CoV-2
is taking centre stage.

https://aqicn.org/city/seoul/

It is kind of like looking for your wallet during a high speed
car crash.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: Don Hobak on November 16, 2020, 03:41:10 pm
The air is unhealthy again but nobody seems to care. SARS-CoV-2
is taking centre stage.

https://aqicn.org/city/seoul/

It is kind of like looking for your wallet during a high speed
car crash.

My and my daughterís sinusitis cares. Like clockwork...
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: Aristocrat on November 16, 2020, 03:43:39 pm
Ondols turn on, air quality goes bad, no correlation whatsoever.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: Chinguetti on November 16, 2020, 04:23:29 pm
It's funny because a lot of people's systems got flushed out and their bodies got used to the better air, and now that the pollution is cranking up again they're all feeling it but they don't realize it's the pollution, lol.

They're all just blaming the changing of seasons and drop in temperatures. A couple of ENTs I spoke to said that "allergies" were definitely really bad this year, haha.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: Don Hobak on November 16, 2020, 04:26:35 pm
It's funny because a lot of people's systems got flushed out and their bodies got used to the better air, and now that the pollution is cranking up again they're all feeling it but they don't realize it's the pollution, lol.

They're all just blaming the changing of seasons and drop in temperatures. A couple of ENTs I spoke to said that "allergies" were definitely really bad this year, haha.

Itís because you didnít put on a jacket when you were outside walking in the sunshine... sweating...

ďArenít you cold?Ē
ďNope. I feel kind of hot.Ē
ďLIES!Ē
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: Chinguetti on November 16, 2020, 04:31:31 pm
Itís because you didnít put on a jacket when you were outside walking in the sunshine... sweating...

Someone also told me it's because I had a magnesium deficiency, like that was DEFINITELY my problem and that it couldn't possibly be because of anything else.

Then got mad when I told them that I eat a lot of foods with magnesium and also take supplements, so that really can't be it, lmao.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: oglop on November 16, 2020, 05:25:00 pm
Itís because you didnít put on a jacket when you were outside walking in the sunshine... sweating...

ďArenít you cold?Ē
ďNope. I feel kind of hot.Ē
ďLIES!Ē
i've posted this before, but in my first year in korea, i got gastroenteritis. i literally couldn't leave the toilet. i hadn't drunk anything for probably 36 hours, and was already feeling very dehydrated. it was also the peak of summer. my gf (now wife) dragged me (almost literally) to the doctors. the doc gave me 2 shots in the bum (as is tradition) and told me i had to sweat it out. he said go home, wear a hoodie, turn off the air con, and wrap myself up in my blankets. my gf made me do just that. i was honestly too weak to argue. i think i almost died from heat exhaustion and dehydration
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: Don Hobak on November 16, 2020, 06:02:34 pm
Someone also told me it's because I had a magnesium deficiency, like that was DEFINITELY my problem and that it couldn't possibly be because of anything else.

Then got mad when I told them that I eat a lot of foods with magnesium and also take supplements, so that really can't be it, lmao.

Iím sure itís something they recently heard on the Home Shopping Network (second only to YouTube for getting your news) and are now paying 150k in monthly installments over the next 5 years for the lifetime supply they ordered. If you only understood just how much theyíve invested in it, then youíd see there really is no other explanation for your symptoms.

Two words: 크릴 오일.

@oggie

Thatís a treatment they never teach you in nursing school. They probably rightly recognized your ailment as being one of the spirit rather than the body and were trying to trigger a delirium-induced spiritual awakening.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: Don Hobak on November 16, 2020, 06:25:14 pm
Serious question. When the dust is bad outside, does it make any sense to dry your laundry inside rather than outside? I feel like not. Indoor air pollution is already worse than outdoor pollution, and unless you have a powerful air purifier in your home, the outdoor air being of lower quality is only going to worsen the indoor air quality as well. Plus the laundry will take longer to dry, and there are more opportunities for it to absorb smells if dried indoors.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: Chinguetti on November 16, 2020, 06:42:31 pm
Serious question. When the dust is bad outside, does it make any sense to dry your laundry inside rather than outside? I feel like not. Indoor air pollution is already worse than outdoor pollution, and unless you have a powerful air purifier in your home, the outdoor air being of lower quality is only going to worsen the indoor air quality as well. Plus the laundry will take longer to dry, and there are more opportunities for it to absorb smells if dried indoors.

When hang-drying my clothes, I always try to do it with open air, even if the air is polluted, because the point is to dry my clothes as quickly as possible. I won't do it at the cost of my own health, though, so it either needs to happen outside completely, or it needs to be in a room that I can keep closed off from myself so that my air purifier can keep doing what it's supposed to be doing (my air purifier absolutely makes a huge difference in my quality of life here).

If the air smells bad or it's not possible to hang dry them outside or in a closed off room where I can keep the window open, though, I'd just use a fan and a dehumidifier to get the job done.

This is what I did on stinky days before the laundromat near me opened up and I was able to take advantage of its dryers. And I can honestly admit now that I'd probably buy my own dryer if that option were no longer available to me.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: VanIslander on November 16, 2020, 10:35:59 pm
I feel pain in my chest or neck when air pollution goes 100+, like today. A glass of red wine qua medicine and i'm good to go. :)
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: 303lmc on November 17, 2020, 07:27:11 am
well I'm getting DM's from the school about fine dust, so...? And I had a conversation about the air quality this morning.
I can tell it's bad because my sinuses hurt and I'm stuffed up. I also get bloody noses when it's really bad. I'm also more tired than usual.
 
I feel pain in my chest or neck when air pollution goes 100+, like today.
maybe this is why my neck is stiff too.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: oglop on November 17, 2020, 07:39:16 am
can't even use the air purifier at school because of covid. and have to keep the windows open at all times. brilliant
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: OnNut81 on November 17, 2020, 07:43:30 am
It was the air quality that kept me largely at home this past weekend, not Covid. 
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: Chinguetti on November 17, 2020, 08:21:36 am
I'm luckier than most. I have my own classroom with three air purifiers (one supplied by the school this year, and two of my own that I'd purchased a while back), and my main school is laidback enough to let me stay there. I used the excuse that it's because I have to make a lot of materials, and the other KTs find my process disruptive -- which is all true. It's just not my main motivation, lol.

And I can run the purifiers all the time because my classroom isn't getting used this year, thanks to covid. I still have to teach in my students' non-filtered homerooms (I wear my Respro masks whenever I do), and I still share an office at my travel schools, but at least I don't have to sit it in it during my breaks and off-periods 3 days out of the week.

I'm still trying to readjust to the heightened pollution levels again, though. What little exposure I have to it is still enough to drain me and run my sinuses ragged.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: Lazio on November 17, 2020, 10:01:15 am
Ondols turn on, air quality goes bad, no correlation whatsoever.

No correlation indeed!
The air quality is always bad when it's unseasonably warm. Which means that air masses are moving in from where they aren't supposed to during this time of the year.
Also, the air has been completely still for the past several days.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: VanIslander on November 17, 2020, 10:19:27 am
High air pressure = more atoms in less space (density) = a "heavier blanket" over the pollution trapping it from rising in the atmosphere. The "clear" sky warm day may be clear of visible clouds but FULL of more than usual invisible atoms a.k.a. high air pressure downward (wind is another matter = change in density).

A cold winter day or cloudy summer day = best air conditions (again, not factoring in wind, as a change in air pressure from certain directions of course affects matters).

I minored in Geography, spending 4 months (one semester) of my life convinced i should become a meteorologist.

Then a breadth requirement Philosophy course changed everything... (informal logic & argumentation; applied ethics; the pre-Socratics, Socrates - not Plato - Aristotle, C.S. Peirce, Nietzsche, the latter Wittgenstein, to put them in historical order).
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: Kyndo on November 17, 2020, 10:42:59 am
Stable high pressure areas tend to be stagnant and dry, which prevents the dissipation of local pollutants.
Clear and cloudless skies are usually signs of a high pressure system.
The "weight" of the atmosphere has very little affect on pollution, per se. It's correlative, not causative.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: hangook77 on November 17, 2020, 12:09:57 pm
My schools use the air purifiers today and keep the windows closed.  I keep the windows closed at home, though did get hot a couple of evenings and had to turn on the air con for an hour. 
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: Lorinefairy on November 17, 2020, 12:22:08 pm
Yeah, just left school due to feeling so sick from the fine dust. Woke up with a terrible headache today and only felt worse with time. I can straight up smell the pollution in the air.... It's such a shame because last year all the classrooms got air filters, but we can't use them due to corona.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: Aristocrat on November 17, 2020, 12:27:01 pm
No correlation indeed!
The air quality is always bad when it's unseasonably warm. Which means that air masses are moving in from where they aren't supposed to during this time of the year.
Also, the air has been completely still for the past several days.

Makes sense. You're right, the weather's unusually warm today so that's likely what's happening.
Generally speaking, I believe that when you cram 50mil people into a tiny peninsula and it's a developed nation, the air pollution is going to be significant mainly as a result of Korea's own appetite for electricity.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: buckybee on November 17, 2020, 12:28:09 pm
My school also can't use air purifiers because of corona but we try are best to deal with it. Also, I definitely have mine turned on at home. Sometimes, I experience chest pain due to the fine dust. Doctors told me it is an allergic reaction to the pollution. Which sucks but I get even more paranoid about chest pain nowadays because of corona.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: 745sticky on November 17, 2020, 12:31:35 pm
Makes sense. You're right, the weather's unusually warm today so that's likely what's happening.
Generally speaking, I believe that when you cram 50mil people into a tiny peninsula and it's a developed nation, the air pollution is going to be significant mainly as a result of Korea's own appetite for electricity.

The mountains also probably don't help. Idk about South Korea's geography, but I used to live in the Salt Lake valley and the air quality there was always pretty shit thanks to inversions
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: oglop on November 17, 2020, 12:39:50 pm
any purifier recommendations? i wanna get an extra one at home
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: hangook77 on November 17, 2020, 12:48:05 pm
I do usually get some kind of flu like bad allergic reaction if I am exposed to the air during the transition time in March and November.  Can't go out and be active cycling hiking etc.  Also if I am in a school with a high floor, I have to keep windows closed too or I get this sickness.  Not sure if it's pollution, dust or something else.  It has something to do between the hot and the cold extremes between night and day.  Starts going near 0 overnight and below it or starts going above it and warming up.  If I catch it here, the next 3 weeks sinus headaches and sore throat.  Flu like symptoms when it isn't.  I am not necessarily sensitive to pollution year round though.  Wearing masks and closing windows this time helps.  Some schools not enforcing the open window while some are. 

I do have cat allergy and dust allergy.  Overall nothing much else.  I had some minor seasonal allergies, but not too bad.  This thing here during the transition period (March, November) is the worst which I never experienced until here.  I have to be careful to avoid heavy exercise outdoors at this time and to keep windows closed.  Weird stuff here. 

Teachers room in afternoon can close window and run air filter.  Actually other teachers are. 

Unrelated, make sure if you have kids not to give them a sterile environment.  They need to be exposed to some germs and bacteria.  So, they can be more immune to allergies.  Though, you'll have to do your own research on that. 
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: VanIslander on November 17, 2020, 01:11:09 pm
Stable high pressure areas tend to be stagnant and dry, which prevents the dissipation of local pollutants.
Clear and cloudless skies are usually signs of a high pressure system.
The "weight" of the atmosphere has very little affect on pollution, per se. It's correlative, not causative.
Stagnant? As in not windy. That is a separate factor. Dry? The humidity level isn't why.

The high air pressure is CAUSALLY about the amount of nitrogen and oxygen atoms in the air; the DENSITY limiting ("trapping") air pollutants from rising (also preventing evaporation).
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: Kyndo on November 17, 2020, 01:52:11 pm
Stagnant? As in not windy. That is a separate factor. Dry? The humidity level isn't why.

The high air pressure is CAUSALLY about the amount of nitrogen and oxygen atoms in the air; the DENSITY limiting ("trapping") air pollutants from rising (also preventing evaporation).
What you're saying is accurate, but density isn't exactly the direct reason why high pressure systems are correlated with days of high ppt.

Large high pressure systems cause build ups of pollution because they tend to suppress air movement at their base (ie surface winds).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anticyclone#Surface-based_systems


More locally, inversions are caused by large bodies of air of different temperatures (and thus densities). The differences in temperature (and therefor density) of the air prevents the trapped cold air from moving and mixing with the rest of the atmosphere (convection), which causes pollutants to accrue. But it's the temperature and humidity that's causative of the density
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inversion_(meteorology)

And yes, humidity *can* have direct effects on levels of atmospheric pollution: high humidity can result in precipitation that can flush pollution out of the air. And if it doesn't wash it out, it can actually increase how much crap any given volume  of air can actually hold.


Off topic, but seeing if you're from BC, I wonder if you had any of the same profs as me (I also majored in Climatology. I went to SFU, but a lot of those profs jumped back and forth among the big three unis). I'd give you their names, except the only one I can remember was from one of the youngest profs who might be just a wee bit after your time. She was totally gun-ho for field trips and since she also taught geomorphology, half the trips she'd get completely sidetracked having us look at moraines and stuff.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: Don Hobak on November 17, 2020, 02:29:00 pm
any purifier recommendations? i wanna get an extra one at home

https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-air-purifier/

Funny enough, even though Coway is a Korean company, I couldnít find either of the Wirecutterís top recommendations here when I was in the market for one. We ended up buying the Winix 5500-2. Seems to work? Haha. Hard to tell, so Iím really just taking them at their word  :police:
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: Kayos on November 17, 2020, 02:40:57 pm
Serious question. When the dust is bad outside, does it make any sense to dry your laundry inside rather than outside? I feel like not. Indoor air pollution is already worse than outdoor pollution, and unless you have a powerful air purifier in your home, the outdoor air being of lower quality is only going to worsen the indoor air quality as well. Plus the laundry will take longer to dry, and there are more opportunities for it to absorb smells if dried indoors.

Honestly not sure but, I don't have the space to dry them outside. I have a room that I dry my laundry in though, and it has a nice air flow - syncs up almost perfectly with another window on the opposite side of the house. I also have 2 air purifiers now, and keep one in the laundry drying room, and the other in my bedroom.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: oglop on November 17, 2020, 02:53:22 pm
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-air-purifier/

Funny enough, even though Coway is a Korean company, I couldnít find either of the Wirecutterís top recommendations here when I was in the market for one. We ended up buying the Winix 5500-2. Seems to work? Haha. Hard to tell, so Iím really just taking them at their word  :police:
Yeah that's the problem. It's kind of hard to know if they are any good or work well. Hmm
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: Chinguetti on November 17, 2020, 05:41:11 pm
If it's a well-known brand that uses HEPA filters, it's good to use. You can technically make one of your own using a fan, but it'll be a lot more noisy and won't have all of the other convenient features. Also, unless it's a big industrial fan, it's not going to have a lot of area coverage. It's more for being extra support on really bad pollution days, especially if you or a family member is extra sensitive to the pollution.

I personally use Winix because it's a decent local mid-range brand with filters that are easy to get, but if you're willing to spend you can get Blue Air (foreign brand, but there aren't a lot of other brands out there that can beat it without going industrial), or one of the pricier local brands. LG makes a pretty snazzy one that is super quiet. Costs over 1m for the big one. The one that's half its size is around 700-800k won, I think? And then they make a little rinky-dink one that's part of the same line and looks kind of like a hat box that's... I think around 300k.

The pricier brands are overkill for me, but I'll admit that they are so much more quiet at higher speeds and cover a larger area than mine can.

A lot of people also love Xiaomi. Cheaper than Winix, still easy to get filters, and gets the job done. You can also control them with an app.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: Foreverparadise on November 18, 2020, 12:53:20 pm
The air quality in Northeast Asia is always bad and will always be bad as long as there is
ignorance, as long as the Chinese have their domineering influence, and as long as there
is a high population density.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: bigfishlittlefish on November 18, 2020, 01:08:01 pm
A lot of people also love Xiaomi. Cheaper than Winix, still easy to get filters, and gets the job done. You can also control them with an app.

I'm one of those people, It very much gets the job done and I love that I can put it on with the app before arriving home.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: VanIslander on November 19, 2020, 05:43:33 am
HEPA + charcoal filter = all bases covered.

I paid 500,000 won for an LG unit and it has worked like a charm for years!

Having to order replacements online instead of picking them up at the LG store just down the street has been the only annoyance.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: Kyndo on November 19, 2020, 06:58:22 am
Thank goodness for this rain! The AQI was getting so bad that I was seriously considering wearing a mask when heading outdoors.  :shocked:
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: tylerthegloob on November 19, 2020, 07:45:04 am
I was seriously considering wearing a mask when heading outdoors

hmmmmmmmmm
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: Kyndo on November 19, 2020, 08:07:11 am
 :wink:
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: chimp on November 21, 2020, 01:00:16 pm
*Eyeroll*

Just because you dumb babies can't understand Korean doesn't mean people aren't talking about/are concerned about the situation.

They talk about it on the ****** TV pretty regularly at the moment.  Just the other day they were reporting on a satellite they sent up to monitor fine dust and were showing images showing it is pretty serious right across NE Asia at the moment. Another day they had a guy reporting from Beijing on the regional dimensions of the issue.

Yeah there seems to be something of blindspot about domestic sources of pollution (which you can see on the radar some days, other days it actually is coming from China) but it's a long way from the premise of the thread. (OP is, say, TOPIK 2,  3 on a good day?)
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: L I on December 01, 2020, 02:38:59 pm
No, TOPIK 1 (which is low beginner).

I can pass TOPIK 1 with a fair amount of difficulty.

I'm in my 24th year here

Most long term Western expats speak beginner level Korean.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: Kayos on December 01, 2020, 02:44:21 pm
No, TOPIK 1 (which is low beginner).

Most long term Western expats speak beginner level Korean.

A little over 4 years here. I can read hangul, but my speaking ability is only about a few words.
I'm not sure I'll ever increase it passed this point. I'm only planning to do another year or 2 here tops before moving on. (I keep getting a really great class every 2 years which makes me want to stay longer).
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: Don Hobak on December 01, 2020, 03:28:34 pm
My and my daughterís sinusitis cares. Like clockwork...

Turns out it was a wee bit more than sinusitis. I got it checked out and theyíre saying I have a nasal polyp basically occupying my entire left maxillary sinus, a less imposing one reaching into my right sinus, and a deviant nasal septum on top of that. I guess I canít blame Korea for *everything*... unless itís the damn air here that brought the polyps about in the first place!
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: L I on March 11, 2021, 05:53:12 pm
Air Pollution Kills Far More People Than Covid Ever Will
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-03-10/air-pollution-kills-far-more-people-than-covid-ever-will
More than 10 million people die every year from a problem that doesnít receive the attention it should.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: Mr C on March 11, 2021, 08:41:54 pm
Air Pollution Kills Far More People Than Covid Ever Will
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-03-10/air-pollution-kills-far-more-people-than-covid-ever-will
More than 10 million people die every year from a problem that doesnít receive the attention it should.

Doesn't receive the attention it should?!?  Well, not if you read Breitbart and watch Fox News ...

I'm going to regret this, but what does John Stossel have to say?
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: VanIslander on March 11, 2021, 08:53:08 pm
I care!

The air sucks this week.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: SPQR on March 12, 2021, 08:00:06 am
A little bit of dust doesn't impact people's ability to make a living.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: VanIslander on March 12, 2021, 08:06:36 am
A little bit?

Check the science.

I guess you still eat sausages, pepperoni and salami, no?

How much heart disease and cancer are you willing to endure for known risky behaviors.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: tylerthegloob on March 12, 2021, 08:09:41 am
sheeeeit sometimes i eat all 3 in one mealmaybe THATS why my hangovers are so bad...
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: SPQR on March 12, 2021, 08:10:14 am
A little bit?

Check the science.

I guess you still eat sausages, pepperoni and salami, no?

Whatever, tell that to people who are out of work with a family to support.

And yes, I love  sausages, pepperoni and salami. Who doesn't.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: VanIslander on March 12, 2021, 08:13:17 am
sheeeeit sometimes i eat all 3 in one mealmaybe THATS why my hangovers are so bad...
Your alcohol consumption helps prevent short-term heart attacks but contributes to long-term cancer development.

Again, look at the science. Bypass health advising websites and parochial physicians.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: VanIslander on March 12, 2021, 08:17:12 am
Whatever, tell that to people who are out of work with a family to support.

And yes, I love  sausages, pepperoni and salami. Who doesn't.
Do you seriously think sausages, pepperoni and salami are cheaper in any country over beans, lentils, brown rice and throw in onions, garlic (maybe some hot peppers or sweet green bell peppers) and some green leafy veggies with spices of your choice?
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: VanIslander on March 12, 2021, 08:21:37 am
Processed meats are a class 1 carcinogen.

You might as well smoke cigarettes.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: VanIslander on March 12, 2021, 08:26:47 am
...And yes, I love  sausages, pepperoni and salami. Who doesn't.
Wait! You started THIS thread worried about air pollution in Korea but put processed meats into your colon happily?

Weigh your risks.

Look at the relationship between colon cancer and sausages, pepperoni and salami (yummy poisons, like sugar) before you counsel against air pollution. Eh?
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: tylerthegloob on March 12, 2021, 08:52:07 am
Processed meats are a class 1 carcinogen.

You might as well smoke cigarettes.

"No, processed meat has been classified in the same category as causes of cancer such as tobacco smoking and asbestos (IARC Group 1, carcinogenic to humans), but this does NOT mean that they are all equally dangerous. The IARC classifications describe the strength of the scientific evidence about an agent being a cause of cancer, rather than assessing the level of risk."

https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/cancer-carcinogenicity-of-the-consumption-of-red-meat-and-processed-meat
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: SPQR on March 12, 2021, 09:22:22 am

Look at the relationship between colon cancer and sausages, pepperoni and salami (yummy poisons, like sugar) before you counsel against air pollution. Eh?


Nobody cares.  The wellbeing of your children and family trump everything. That is
why climate change initiatives will fail if they don't compensate up and coming
developing countries for not using cheap coal. So, unless rich countries fork out
to poorer countries, the air is gonna be bad.

Also, how do you equate salami and PM2.5? The former is a personal choice
and the latter is a product of industrialization.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: L I on March 15, 2021, 10:24:22 am
Maybe thereís a problem of most people not knowing just how bad air pollution is.
_______________

ďFine dust can make the brain shrink and cause cognitive declineĒ
http://www.koreabiomed.com/news/articleView.html?idxno=10452
ďA long-term exposure to air pollution accelerates brain aging and increases the risk of dementiaĒ
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: gogators! on March 15, 2021, 08:39:44 pm
Turns out it was a wee bit more than sinusitis. I got it checked out and theyíre saying I have a nasal polyp basically occupying my entire left maxillary sinus, a less imposing one reaching into my right sinus, and a deviant nasal septum on top of that. I guess I canít blame Korea for *everything*... unless itís the damn air here that brought the polyps about in the first place!
Had similar problems eventually leading to surgery. Recovery from having the deviated septum corrected was no walk in the park.

Taking out the polyps presents the danger of a too aggressive surgeon cutting into the brain so choose carefully. Good luck!
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: KimDuHan on March 16, 2021, 11:20:23 pm
Turns out yellow dust, the flu, cancer, aids, diabetes, old age, etc donít matter anymore.

Itís like nothing matters except covid, how many suicide deaths are there since the pandemic started? None because if any trace of covid is in the system the death was covid related.

Governments control the people, stay home and listen to us.

Happy anniversary of two week stay at home!!
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: DocH on March 16, 2021, 11:28:53 pm
Turns out yellow dust, the flu, cancer, aids, diabetes, old age, etc donít matter anymore.

Itís like nothing matters except covid, how many suicide deaths are there since the pandemic started? None because if any trace of covid is in the system the death was covid related.
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Governments control the people, stay home and listen to us.

Happy anniversary of two week stay at home!!

That, right there.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: VanIslander on March 17, 2021, 02:49:47 am
Turns out yellow dust, the flu, cancer, aids, diabetes, old age, etc donít matter anymore.

Itís like nothing matters except covid, how many suicide deaths are there since the pandemic started? None because if any trace of covid is in the system the death was covid related.
Actually quite the opposite.

If a patient has a preexisting condition then that will be blamed instead of the virus or vaccine that pushed the patient OVER.THE.CLIFF.

Why the heck is a vaccine being pimped to guys who are old, with heart disease, diabetes and allergies? ... Some of those who died are being explained away by their preexisting conditions. ... Huh? If you have a serious preexisting condition stay the f social distancing away and avoid all risks.

The vaccine like the virus is best handled by the young and healthy. TARGET THEM for herd immunity.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: OnNut81 on March 17, 2021, 07:57:49 am
Actually quite the opposite.

If a patient has a preexisting condition then that will be blamed instead of the virus or vaccine that pushed the patient OVER.THE.CLIFF.


Where?  I know in some states hospitals get more money when they report a Covid death so the pre-existing conditions are ignored and the death is attributed to Covid.  So, quite the opposite to what you wrote.  A neighbour of my dad's had a separate autopsy done for her sister because she questioned Covid as the cause of death.  Turns out the sister was right.  And again from Florida, my dad's 94 year old priest buddy was terminal with an unrelated condition.  He caught a mild case of covid.  He passed away after a few weeks which was long expected.  Cause of death listed?  Covid. 
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: tylerthegloob on March 17, 2021, 09:54:28 am
while there's definitely politics wrapped up in it, i doubt it's so clear cut that you could really blame them for reporting it as covid. i mean the fundamental question is if you have a terminal condition and covid accelerates your deterioration should your death be attributed to covid or the condition?

on one side of the spectrum, if you have terminal cancer and a few weeks to live but get hit by a car on the way out of the hospital, it's clear that the car is what killed you. but on the other side if you have terminal cancer and then happen to get a cold right before you pass, it's clear that the cold is not what killed you. where exactly covid fits into that spectrum seems pretty up for debate
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: Kyndo on March 17, 2021, 10:17:31 am
What Glooby said is a *huge* issue for a  lot of different diseases.

For example, the AIDS virus has never killed a person ever. Because it doesn't exist. Because it's just a description of symptoms that HIV infected patients express.
Which *also* has never killed a person, because all it really does is disable one's immune system. Nearly 100% of deaths in HIV patients are from secondary infections.
But on the other hand, when people say that the AIDS epidemic has killed millions, only the worst pedant would disagree.
(The above example is maybe a bit over-simplified, but the general gist of it is true)

Similarily, while Covid19 does kill some of those who contract it, it usually is most deadly when there are co-determining factors. Figuring if it was the Covid19 virus, the pneumonia, or the diabetes that was ultimately responsible for the death of the 93 year old bed-ridden chain smoker can be... problematic at best.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: hangook77 on March 17, 2021, 01:10:11 pm
They're too busy caring about me and being so lame as to start a post about me like the 5 losers that they are. 
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: L I on March 29, 2021, 10:35:26 am
Not much news coverage today was about the air.

https://aqicn.org/map/southkorea/

Much more was about coronavirus.

But coronavirus has killed less than 0.03% of the worldís population.

According to this, air pollution is responsible for one in five deaths globally:

https://www.google.com/amp/m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.amp.asp%3fnewsIdx=304149

(Incidentally, pollution weakens immune systems, causing greater susceptibility to harm from coronavirus.)

Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: D.L.Orean on March 29, 2021, 10:41:16 am
Not much news coverage today was about the air.

https://aqicn.org/map/southkorea/

Much more was about coronavirus.

But coronavirus has killed less than 0.03% of the worldís population.

According to this, air pollution is responsible for one in five deaths globally:

https://www.google.com/amp/m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.amp.asp%3fnewsIdx=304149

(Incidentally, pollution weakens immune systems, causing greater susceptibility to harm from coronavirus.)

Has been all over the Korean news. Saw warnings about today's air mentioned heavily on the news yesterday. And heard it being discussed on the radio this morning.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: L I on March 29, 2021, 10:58:31 am
Nothing at all about it here (as of now): https://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/main.asp

Arirang News said very little. (Almost nothing.)

Teachers and friends I talked to didnít know until I told them.

It got proportionally less attention than coronavirus yesterday and today. Way less.

Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: L I on March 29, 2021, 10:59:53 am
People are gonna get way more emergency alerts about coronavirus than about air quality, even on the most polluted days.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: L I on March 29, 2021, 11:03:39 am
Shouldnít the insanely bad air from a massive yellow dust storm be the top news story today? Iím surprised by how little media coverage itís been getting.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: OnNut81 on March 29, 2021, 11:07:13 am
Today is the first time the weather app on my phone has said dust, and not haze or fog.  That's a sign of how bad it is today. 
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: Kyndo on March 29, 2021, 11:11:37 am
So weird. It rained a fair bit on Saturday, so the air quality in my neck of the woods was almost perfect yesterday.
Got *loads* of great cherry blossom photos with azure blue skies in the background (as opposed to the off white haze that we usually get this time of year)!
Lucky.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: L I on March 29, 2021, 11:13:34 am
I read news a lot and only saw two articles about it.

(Are there a lot more? If so, post Ďem; itís good to get more information about this.)

Dust Storms to Blight Entire Country
https://www.google.com/amp/english.chosun.com/m/news/article.amp.html%3fcontid=2021032900869

S. Korea suffocated by extremely powerful yellow dust storm
http://m.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20210329000209


Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: L I on March 29, 2021, 11:27:23 am
I found one more article after searching more, but thatís it. Tons about COVID though.

Yellow Dust Blankets S. Korea
http://world.kbs.co.kr/service/news_view.htm?lang=e&Seq_Code=160454


Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: D.L.Orean on March 29, 2021, 12:06:19 pm
Nothing at all about it here (as of now): https://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/main.asp

Arirang News said very little. (Almost nothing.)

Teachers and friends I talked to didnít know until I told them.

It got proportionally less attention than coronavirus yesterday and today. Way less.

Not to go all D.Mart, but the English news in Korea is laughably bad. I think everyone already knows that. If you want the latest up-to-date Korean news start using Korean language sources.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: njarlson on March 29, 2021, 12:12:09 pm
I find it interesting that on an abnormally awful day like today, schools are open (as well as other facilities that could close for a day with no major repercussions). In my opinion, this is comparable to needing to close schools on bad snow days for safety reasons. The only difference is that, unlike a snowstorm, this isn't a physical danger that keeps people from commuting. But it's still incredibly dangerous and no one should be leaving their homes unless absolutely necessary :/ yet all the students are playing outside like there's nothing wrong and most of them (as well as coworkers) are wearing masks that are useless against the dust. I'm lucky that it doesn't affect me as badly as others, I mostly feel pressure in my head along with a bad headache (and sadly no air purifier in my classroom to help) but other foreign friends of mine have said it makes them feel like they have the flu with body aches and everything, but my Korean coworkers don't seem to have any problems. I suppose when you live with bad air quality your whole life, you get used to it?
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: SPQR on March 29, 2021, 12:37:55 pm
Ain't nobody cares about a few dust bunnies when there is a killer virus rampaging
across the planet.
Title: Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on March 29, 2021, 01:21:30 pm
Not to go all D.Mart, but the English news in Korea is laughably bad. I think everyone already knows that. If you want the latest up-to-date Korean news start using Korean language sources.
I'm not so sure. Seems some people here seem to believe the KoreaTimes is the paper of record here.

Guys, if you aren't citing the Korean-language versions of the Chojoongdong, the Hankyoreh, maybe one of the other national ones, and Naver and Daum's front, then what you claim it represents is suspect at best.

Like, anyone with a brain knows you should look at the native-language versions of domestic news outlets to get a sense of what the big stories are and what the people are talking about. Not what some borderline-tabloid English news outlet says.