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Title: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Foreverparadise on November 08, 2020, 02:46:33 am
Finally, Joe Biden has been elected as the 46th president of the USA.
He will make an aggressive push to end the COVID-19 pandemic, and
I will see the Canadian border re-opened before the summer of 2021!
Plus Kamala Harris will now become the first woman in history will
become the US vice-president.

Now that Biden has won the presidency, Donald Trump will have to
get ready to move out of the white house, so he better get himself a
UHAL rental.

Also now that Joe Biden has been elected to be the next president, I can
now give Donald Trump a taste of his own medicine to say this: Donald
Trump, YOU'RE FIRED!
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: KimDuHan on November 08, 2020, 04:41:43 am
Dude you’re pretty fired up for someone who is not American.

Canada is not the USA. Did you vote in the US election? If so then good! Also you should make a video of how a Canadian voted in another country’s election.  Maybe voter fraud isn’t a myth.

Congrats to the winner!!
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Foreverparadise on November 08, 2020, 05:08:40 am
Dude you’re pretty fired up for someone who is not American.

Canada is not the USA. Did you vote in the US election? If so then good! Also you should make a video of how a Canadian voted in another country’s election.  Maybe voter fraud isn’t a myth.

Congrats to the winner!!
Yes, I am Canadian but what does that matter if I voted or not? The fact of the matter is Canada is next door to the USA and
having a leader as unscrupulous as Trump effects the relations of the two countries. And I am darn well sure that Justin
Trudeau will have an easier time dealing with Joe Biden.
Plus there are the following factors that you must consider:
1. If the USA sneezes, Canada is the first to catch a cold.
2. According to MLK, injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. Donald Trump
brought a lot of division and injustice into the American society. And if there could be
injustice in the USA, it will also effect the rest of the world.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: MayorHaggar on November 08, 2020, 05:43:44 am
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Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: oglop on November 08, 2020, 08:20:43 am
Do we really need 4 threads about trump
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Don Hobak on November 08, 2020, 11:45:36 am
Do we really need 4 threads about trump

Agreed, but this one does happen to be the only of the bunch with a title that even halfway reflects objective reality...
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Orkblut on November 08, 2020, 01:52:47 pm
I am glad. Finally Americans will get free healthcare, free university education, better job security and benefits, paid maternal and paternal leave for close to a year, the fascist regime will be over, the Nazis will be wiped out, and (like the OP says) coronavirus will be finished in 2021.

Can't wait!
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: hangook77 on November 09, 2020, 11:36:16 am
Given that AOC and others want a Trump list.  Put folks in prison.  The new left are the new fascists.  They will remove your freedom of speech, freedom of religion, jail you on made up frivolous charges.  However, final vote count not yet certified and court challenges and recounts not done yet.  So, nothing is decided and networks made a big goof.  So, did many other world leaders who are showing their true stripes.

What we do know is that Republicans held the Senate.  At least 52 seats, though some recounts could increase that number.  The House went from 235 Democratic seats to possibly looking at 221 seats or less (218 needed for control).  Seems odd the Republicans made gains with Trump's coat tails yet he lost himself.  He was winning on election night.  Then Biden spoke, the counting stopped, then hours later all of a sudden Biden won?  It could be legit or it could fraud. 

I am not going to argue with anyone here.  But we have to wait and see what the final official result is.  The networks project.  I wonder how they "knew" so quickly and even Fox was the first to call Arizona, which is actually not done counting.  Wisconsin is very close and recounts are coming.  Recounts are coming elsewhere.  I have heard rumors of special watermarked ballots.  I don't know what is true and untrue.  But, I do know, I will not call it for Biden. 

Trump won and will take the oath of office next January.  He will serve 4 more years.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: hangook77 on November 09, 2020, 11:37:47 am
I am glad. Finally Americans will get free healthcare, free university education, better job security and benefits, paid maternal and paternal leave for close to a year, the fascist regime will be over, the Nazis will be wiped out, and (like the OP says) coronavirus will be finished in 2021.

Can't wait!

Then they won't fund the military which means you will now have to cut your own health care back and fund your own military now.  (A much reduced US security umbrella for other countries.)  Unless you really believe the UN will 'protect' you? 
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: tylerthegloob on November 09, 2020, 12:48:32 pm
Quote from: Clown
But we have to wait and see what the final official result is.
...also hangook77
Quote from: Clown
Trump won and will take the oath of office next January.  He will serve 4 more years.
"cry more, repub"
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: MayorHaggar on November 09, 2020, 01:37:55 pm
Given that AOC and others want a Trump list.  Put folks in prison.  The new left are the new fascists.  They will remove your freedom of speech, freedom of religion, jail you on made up frivolous charges. 

Hold onto your butts, dumpy Trumpies! We're coming to marry your dog and make you get mandatory Mexican gay abortions every day! You ain't seen nothing yet!
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on November 09, 2020, 01:42:12 pm
2. According to MLK, injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. Donald Trump
brought a lot of division and injustice into the American society. And if there could be
injustice in the USA, it will also effect the rest of the world.
How did Trump bring injustice into the USA beyond the injustice that was already there to begin with?
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on November 09, 2020, 01:44:36 pm
Given that AOC and others want a Trump list.  Put folks in prison.
Dude, everyone has a "list" of politicians they're targeting for investigation or electoral challenges. Rs, Ds, various PACs, etc.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: hangook77 on November 09, 2020, 02:15:07 pm
Dude, everyone has a "list" of politicians they're targeting for investigation or electoral challenges. Rs, Ds, various PACs, etc.

No, it's a list of anyone who supported Trump and about going after them for whatever made up reasons once they have the level of power if they had of gotten them.  Revenge for the last 4 years.  Extreme Marxist left payback.  If Biden and Harris had of won, Harris would have been the trojan horse who took over as President within a year and pushed a very far left agenda.  Freedom of speech is already being done away with using fake "hate speech" as a fake cover to shut people up.  Heck in Europe and other parts of the world, you already see what is going on where certain groups say there should be limits on free speech.  No, there should not.  (Though I have no problem with some companies choosing to fire people if they say blatantly racist things, like the N word or "kill all this group of people", etc.  Though some far left radicals do this IE "white people need to die", etc.) 

People will be jailed.  Pastors and priests will be forced to marry gay people even if it is against their faith.  (Even though they can find people willing to marry them legally, it won't be enough for some on the far left.)  If you want to be gay, I could care less.  But freedom of speech and freedom of expression and freedom of religion should cover all parties.  You can be gay freely and say it's fine to be that way, while others can disagree and say so.  Let each do their own thing as long as they aren't personally rude or violent towards each other.  Whatever happened to live and let live that the left use to believe in?  Whatever happened to free speech protests that use to occur at Berkley where now they want to shut down free speech? 

Point is this ain't your dad or granddad's Democratic party or western liberal movement.  This has morphed into something far more radical and far more extreme.  Listen to the squad, listen to Harris, listen to Maddow, and plenty of others.  Listen to their counterparts in lockstep with them in other countries such as Trudeau, Ardern, etc.  What are they saying and what do they wish to do?  These are crazy extremists. 
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: tylerthegloob on November 09, 2020, 02:20:58 pm
i mean "kill this group of people" isn't protected speech anyway

oh and what should we do to the people who are "personally rude" towards each other?
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: hangook77 on November 09, 2020, 02:31:32 pm
i mean "kill this group of people" isn't protected speech anyway

oh and what should we do to the people who are "personally rude" towards each other?

I already spoke against and criticized those two things.  (In other words, not in agreement with those.)  So, not sure what you are trying to throw back at me? 
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: hangook77 on November 09, 2020, 02:31:52 pm
www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3OS8YB8XVc
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: tylerthegloob on November 09, 2020, 02:42:43 pm
"Let each do their own thing as long as they aren't personally rude."

it implies that we should not let people "do their own thing" if they are personally rude
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on November 09, 2020, 02:57:30 pm
No, it's a list of anyone who supported Trump and about going after them for whatever made up reasons once they have the level of power if they had of gotten them.  Revenge for the last 4 years.  Extreme Marxist left payback.  If Biden and Harris had of won, Harris would have been the trojan horse who took over as President within a year and pushed a very far left agenda.  Freedom of speech is already being done away with using fake "hate speech" as a fake cover to shut people up.  Heck in Europe and other parts of the world, you already see what is going on where certain groups say there should be limits on free speech.  No, there should not.  (Though I have no problem with some companies choosing to fire people if they say blatantly racist things, like the N word or "kill all this group of people", etc.  Though some far left radicals do this IE "white people need to die", etc.) 

People will be jailed.  Pastors and priests will be forced to marry gay people even if it is against their faith.  (Even though they can find people willing to marry them legally, it won't be enough for some on the far left.)  If you want to be gay, I could care less.  But freedom of speech and freedom of expression and freedom of religion should cover all parties.  You can be gay freely and say it's fine to be that way, while others can disagree and say so.  Let each do their own thing as long as they aren't personally rude or violent towards each other.  Whatever happened to live and let live that the left use to believe in?  Whatever happened to free speech protests that use to occur at Berkley where now they want to shut down free speech? 

Point is this ain't your dad or granddad's Democratic party or western liberal movement.  This has morphed into something far more radical and far more extreme.  Listen to the squad, listen to Harris, listen to Maddow, and plenty of others.  Listen to their counterparts in lockstep with them in other countries such as Trudeau, Ardern, etc.  What are they saying and what do they wish to do?  These are crazy extremists.
Yeah, I remember the last time a Democrat won and all these same predictions were made. Instead we got a tan suit, a shitty Bronze Plan for health care, and a bunch of drone strikes across the Middle East.

If there's one thing I really despise, it's the people on both sides who totally shit themselves in fear over the other side and dream up these apocalyptic scenarios of Trump the Madman or AOC the next Stalin.

What's going to happen with Biden in office? Problem some incredibly weak prescription drug bill. A weak bill on one of the following- education/social security/infrastructure/energy/farms/trade. Some more boots on the ground somewhere in the Middle East accompanied by drone strikes, and probably some mild shafting of us in favor of China which also lowers prices for crap. Some attempt to reverse Trump executive orders that may or may not be thrown out by SCOTUS. That and black Dems being ignored once again.

The truly big moves are all at the tech/media level.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: gogators! on November 09, 2020, 09:14:47 pm
Rumor has it that Melania is planning to divorce trump once his term ends. Fired!

hankook 77 sure does a great chicken little impersonation. Maybe he can start a podcast and make money off it the way fox, rush, newt and jones are making bank by duping those too lazy or unintelligent to think for themselves.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Don Hobak on November 09, 2020, 10:16:30 pm
Rumor has it that Melania is planning to divorce trump once his term ends.

You can’t believe everything you read in the Post.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Foreverparadise on November 09, 2020, 10:27:21 pm
Rumor has it that Melania is planning to divorce trump once his term ends. Fired!

hankook 77 sure does a great chicken little impersonation. Maybe he can start a podcast and make money off it the way fox, rush, newt and jones are making bank by duping those too lazy or unintelligent to think for themselves.

I will not be surprised if Melina divorces Trump. They have fallen like Pharoh Ramses and his wife.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: 745sticky on November 10, 2020, 07:51:26 am
The Biden years aren't going to be anything exciting (especially with Mitch McConnell winning re-election, thanks Amy!)

Just more of the same, but this time the liberals will be able to go back to brunch.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Liechtenstein on November 10, 2020, 02:19:59 pm
There's approximately 254 million Americans of voting age and there were about 161 million votes cast. That's an astonishing 63%. And almost half of them voted for Trump.

These numbers are amazing. 80 million Americans thought Trump was good enough to re-elect.

That's the biggest takeaway from the election for me. Coupled with Putin and Xi not sending congrats yet. 
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: L I on November 10, 2020, 02:33:31 pm
Biden: 76,411,128
Trump: 71,635,303
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: gogators! on November 10, 2020, 10:22:37 pm
There's approximately 254 million Americans of voting age and there were about 161 million votes cast. That's an astonishing 63%. And almost half of them voted for Trump.

These numbers are amazing. 80 million Americans thought Trump was good enough to re-elect.

That's the biggest takeaway from the election for me. Coupled with Putin and Xi not sending congrats yet. 
Money changes everything. Conservatives have spent billions and billions of dollars since the 70s convincing the American public that government is the devil and taxes are his instrument, that the 2nd amendment was handed down by God, that the poor are poor because they want to be and that any attempts to help them are in reality a way to steal from taxpayers (but not from the wealthy since the US is the biggest tax haven in the world) and that all safety net programs are SOCIALISM! while senior citizen repups cry when the don't get big SS CoL increases.

In other words, I agree wholeheartedly with you.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Foreverparadise on November 13, 2020, 12:48:40 pm
How did Trump bring injustice into the USA beyond the injustice that was already there to begin with?

He pandered to white bigots to perpetrate racial injustice setting the USA backwards.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on November 13, 2020, 01:30:15 pm
He pandered to white bigots to perpetrate racial injustice setting the USA backwards.
How? Like, specifically.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: 745sticky on November 13, 2020, 01:46:58 pm
He pandered to white bigots to perpetrate racial injustice setting the USA backwards.

Yeah, but the white bigots were already there. You could argue that Trump enabled them, but all he really did is rip the mask off what already existed. Black people were getting murdered by cops and immigrants were being mass-deported during the Obama years too (not to mention the Flint water crisis and Dakota keystone pipeline). Only difference is back then the liberals were all out to brunch.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: MayorHaggar on November 13, 2020, 04:34:44 pm
Black people were getting murdered by cops and immigrants were being mass-deported during the Obama years too (not to mention the Flint water crisis and Dakota keystone pipeline).

This is the same exact shit that Republicans say when you prove to them that Trump is awful. "Well Obama did bad things so stop talking about Trump." And Republican governor Rick Snyder is to blame for Flint's water.

We get it, you love defending Republicans by pretending to be a liberal.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on November 14, 2020, 09:29:43 am
Imagine being so stupid that you think this way-

"Trump is responsible for racial murders."
"Uhm, I think those were taking place before Trump was President. You can't blame him for that."
"I just proved Trump is awful and you're blaming Obama to deflect."
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: chimp on November 14, 2020, 01:42:22 pm
Then they won't fund the military which means you will now have to cut your own health care back and fund your own military now.  (A much reduced US security umbrella for other countries.)  Unless you really believe the UN will 'protect' you? 

So much dumb, dumbgook77.

The wrangling over defence spending is only a percentage point or two of GDP overall. NATO wants members to spend 2% of GDP on defence, the US with its global "leadership" fixation spends only 3-4% of GDP on the military.

European public spending is about 45% of GDP. Upping defence by by a percent or two isn't going to "cut back" the health system or welfare. It's chump change but the domestic politics isn't there to push it through. Most countries don't see the point and votes can be won better through other priorities.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: gogators! on November 14, 2020, 07:52:10 pm
There's no doubt that racists and white nationalists were emboldened by trump, whose racist calls to arm were interpreted as two big thumbs up by bigots across the country. the problem trump worked to stop the FBI from investigating and publicizing the problem.

Yes, some were already there, but trump has helped them swell their numbers. And he's emboldened them so that's it not just the police hassling people of color but ordinary citizens.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on November 15, 2020, 01:28:33 pm
There's no doubt that racists and white nationalists were emboldened by trump, whose racist calls to arm were interpreted as two big thumbs up by bigots across the country. the problem trump worked to stop the FBI from investigating and publicizing the problem.

Yes, some were already there, but trump has helped them swell their numbers. And he's emboldened them so that's it not just the police hassling people of color but ordinary citizens.
Actually there's plenty of doubt. The odds of someone in America being a victim of a hate crime are fantastically small.

Thinking there's a mass movement of White Nationalists in America is about as dumb as believing in a mass movement of Pedophiles and Druggies teaching English in Korea.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Savant on November 15, 2020, 04:37:24 pm
Actually there's plenty of doubt. The odds of someone in America being a victim of a hate crime are fantastically small.

Thinking there's a mass movement of White Nationalists in America is about as dumb as believing in a mass movement of Pedophiles and Druggies teaching English in Korea.

Thousands of them just congregated in Washington D.C. Are you saying that there are thousands of pedophile and druggie foreign English teachers in Korea?
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: gogators! on November 15, 2020, 08:36:51 pm
Actually there's plenty of doubt. The odds of someone in America being a victim of a hate crime are fantastically small.

Thinking there's a mass movement of White Nationalists in America is about as dumb as believing in a mass movement of Pedophiles and Druggies teaching English in Korea.
Not just mere hyperbole but bewildering balderdash.

As for dumb, if the shoe fits, you're the one wearing it.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: 745sticky on November 16, 2020, 10:15:33 am
There's a fringe White Nationalist movement in America. Once Trump burns out and finally concedes I doubt they'll have the numbers to present an active threat, and if they do the Biden administration can send the National Guard in and quash them easily (that's what right-wingers wanted Trump to do to Antifa, right? Give em a taste of their own medicine and all that)

Whether Biden would actually do that or not is the question though.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Foreverparadise on November 16, 2020, 10:18:31 am
Yeah, but the white bigots were already there. You could argue that Trump enabled them, but all he really did is rip the mask off what already existed. Black people were getting murdered by cops and immigrants were being mass-deported during the Obama years too (not to mention the Flint water crisis and Dakota keystone pipeline). Only difference is back then the liberals were all out to brunch.

White bigots expressed their jealousy over Obama because he was the first black man elected to office. As for the deportations of immigrants, the deportations reached its peak under Obama more than Trump and all the previous presidents. The difference is Obama allowed for these deportations to occur based on law, Trump on the other hand used fear and bigotry against immigrants.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: 745sticky on November 16, 2020, 10:21:31 am
White bigots expressed their jealousy over Obama because he was the first black man elected to office. As for the deportations of immigrants, the deportations reached its peak under Obama more than Trump and all the previous presidents. The difference is Obama allowed for these deportations to occur based on law, Trump on the other hand used fear and bigotry against immigrants.

Were Trump's deportations immoral? Yes. Were they illegal? I mean, the guy was just making use of the facilities Obama built...

Sure, Obama put a nicer face on it. But even if we accept Trump's deportations were illegal and say Obama's deportations were "based on law" its still meaningless when the law itself is immoral.

Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on November 16, 2020, 11:29:13 am
Thousands of them just congregated in Washington D.C. Are you saying that there are thousands of pedophile and druggie foreign English teachers in Korea?
When you extend the view of "white nationalist" to "votes for any Republican to the right of Larry Hogan" then yes, I guess you could frame the Trump march as thousands of white nationalists.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on November 16, 2020, 11:33:37 am
There's a fringe White Nationalist movement in America. Once Trump burns out and finally concedes I doubt they'll have the numbers to present an active threat, and if they do the Biden administration can send the National Guard in and quash them easily (that's what right-wingers wanted Trump to do to Antifa, right? Give em a taste of their own medicine and all that)

Whether Biden would actually do that or not is the question though.

Nearly all of the violence by white nationalists is unorganized and "lone wolf" style violence. National Guard would be swinging on air. No real target for them to hit.

FBI undercover ops are still the best we have at rooting such types out.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: MayorHaggar on November 16, 2020, 03:56:23 pm
Imagine being so stupid that you think this way-

"Trump is responsible for racial murders."
"Uhm, I think those were taking place before Trump was President. You can't blame him for that."
"I just proved Trump is awful and you're blaming Obama to deflect."

Except Trump is way worse on everything than Obama. Drone strikes, family separations, pandemics, etc. The "but Obama caged kids too so he's just as bad" is a lie and it's something peddled by right-wingers all the way up to Melania. It's cute how you guys finally realize that your concentration camps are bad and make you look bad, but then you lie and try to pretend that it's all the fault of Democrats.

Guess what, this is why Trump LOST.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on November 16, 2020, 05:00:38 pm
Except Trump is way worse on everything than Obama. Drone strikes,
Are you seriously suggesting that Trump was worse than Obama in the Middle East in terms of getting us involved in crap and general bomb and dronery?

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pandemics
The fact that the respective pandemics they face is due to the nature of their respective diseases, not the steps they took.

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It's cute how you guys finally realize that your concentration camps
FFS. Calling these air conditioned facilities with medical care, cable TV, and schooling "concentration camps" is an insult to the term. Bear in mind that every single person can freely leave if they decide to return to their country of origin.

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but then you lie and try to pretend that it's all the fault of Democrats.
People might give more credence to your arguments if you stopped making utterly moronic ones like those above.

There are plenty of reasons Trump lost. The border is not one of them, as evidenced by Latino vote shares. Foreign policy is not one either. In fact, his foreign policy probably helped him be competitive. Only idiots who are reflexively anti-Trump on everything despise Trump's foreign policy.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: gogators! on November 16, 2020, 10:19:41 pm
Is this the medical care you're referring to?

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At least 57 women in a Georgia ICE detention center say they were forced or pressured into having gynecological procedures, according to a group of immigration lawyers, doctors and previously detained women who met with senators on Monday (this number is almost three times higher than previous estimates.) They presented the politicians with more than 60 pages of documentation, according to the Intercept, in which mostly Black and Latina immigrants allege that Dr. Mahendra Amin, the primary gynecologist at the Irwin County Detention Center (ICDC) in Georgia, coerced them into having “overly aggressive” or “medically unnecessary” surgeries — in most cases without their consent.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Kyndo on November 17, 2020, 07:37:14 am
Nearly all of the violence by white nationalists is unorganized and "lone wolf" style violence. National Guard would be swinging on air. No real target for them to hit.

FBI undercover ops are still the best we have at rooting such types out.
I agree.
The national guard or whatever is best used as a response to large scale disturbances currently occurring, or ones that are very likely to occur.
To target the source of the problem, one needs something a bit more subtle than the night brigade kicking down doors in every low-income neighbourhood.
Pretty much what the FBI is for, right?
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: 745sticky on November 17, 2020, 08:43:02 am
Except Trump is way worse on everything than Obama. Drone strikes, family separations, pandemics, etc. The "but Obama caged kids too so he's just as bad" is a lie and it's something peddled by right-wingers all the way up to Melania. It's cute how you guys finally realize that your concentration camps are bad and make you look bad, but then you lie and try to pretend that it's all the fault of Democrats.

Guess what, this is why Trump LOST.

I'm pretty sure Trump lost because of the pandemic bit specifically.

Anyways, the point isn't that Trump is better than/worse than Obama, it's that Trump isn't really that much worse than anyone else (well, specifically any other Republican) would've been. Obama ramped up our presence in the middle east and built the facilities currently being used to cage kids (not saying Obama put kids in them!). And sure, Trump got in office and abused them, but I'd argue that you could've taken any other Republican (Jeb!, Cruz, etc). and they probably would've done the exact same thing.

I don't think things will necessarily get worse under Biden, we'll just go back a few years. No more kids in cages, but ICE isn't getting abolished either. Middle East presence stays the same (might get a bit better or worse but I doubt we'll be bringing the troops home). Police brutality, Flint, climate change, etc. will all remain pressing issues with little actually done about them. Then in 2024 we'll have whoever captures Trump's base to contend with.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: MayorHaggar on November 17, 2020, 11:51:14 am
Are you seriously suggesting that Trump was worse than Obama in the Middle East in terms of getting us involved in crap and general bomb and dronery?

(https://solve.nationaljournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Drone-screenshot-2-3.png)

(https://d1y8sb8igg2f8e.cloudfront.net/images/somalia_blog_chart.min-800x800.png)

(https://solve.nationaljournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Drone-screenshot-3-1.png)

Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: MayorHaggar on November 17, 2020, 11:52:48 am

FFS. Calling these air conditioned facilities with medical care, cable TV, and schooling "concentration camps" is an insult to the term. Bear in mind that every single person can freely leave if they decide to return to their country of origin.

If they're so great, why are you trying to blame them on Obama? Why are you lying and saying that Obama separated families? Again, you guys realize that this shit makes you look bad, but instead of realizing that you're heartless ghouls, you double down and insist that it's actually the other side that's responsible for your own actions.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on November 17, 2020, 01:39:11 pm
If they're so great, why are you trying to blame them on Obama? Why are you lying and saying that Obama separated families? Again, you guys realize that this shit makes you look bad, but instead of realizing that you're heartless ghouls, you double down and insist that it's actually the other side that's responsible for your own actions.
Thank you for acknowledging that it was Obama who constructed everything. The facilities are what they are and who built them is who built them.

What would your policy be MayorHaggar? In detail please. Please tell me how you'd address tens of thousands of illegal migrants at the border.
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Post by: Kyndo on November 17, 2020, 02:07:26 pm
Thank you for acknowledging that it was Obama who constructed everything. .
"The Nazi's built Auschwitz! Why do people still visit that place? It should be destroyed! The facilities are what they are and who built them is who built them!"
Some reductio ad absurdum for ya, lightly garnished with a bit of Godwin's Law. I was gonna throw in a bit of Rule 34, but I don't want to run afoul of the mods.  :wink:

Anyway, I think the use to which a structure is put to is important. If one administration isn't using the facility as it was intended to be used, is it the builder's fault?
Not to say that the previous admin was blameless, but...
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Post by: hippo on November 17, 2020, 02:30:40 pm
Speaking of Godwin's Law, here is Mike Godwin:

Before Trump was elected

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/12/14/sure-call-trump-a-nazi-just-make-sure-you-know-what-youre-talking-about/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/12/14/sure-call-trump-a-nazi-just-make-sure-you-know-what-youre-talking-about/)

The link Godwin cites as a good example of a critique of Trump in case you cannot get around a paywall.  The article places him in the tradition of paranoid politics.  I am surprised the author, Bergen, did not mention Pat Buchanan or earlier figures like Father Coughlin.

https://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/09/opinions/bergen-is-trump-fascist/index.html (https://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/09/opinions/bergen-is-trump-fascist/index.html)

This is a bit more recent after Trump was elected and focuses on the white nationalists, "the very fine people" Trump talked about

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/godwin-s-law-mike-godwin-internet-hitler-charlottesville-virginia-donald-trump-a7892171.htm (https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/godwin-s-law-mike-godwin-internet-hitler-charlottesville-virginia-donald-trump-a7892171.htm)

Godwin himself sued Trump over the executive orders against Tiktok and Wechat:

https://reason.com/2020/08/24/mike-godwin-the-creator-of-godwins-law-is-suing-trump-over-his-tiktok-executive-order/



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Post by: 745sticky on November 17, 2020, 02:39:20 pm
"The Nazi's built Auschwitz! Why do people still visit that place? It should be destroyed! The facilities are what they are and who built them is who built them!"


Anyway, I think the use to which a structure is put to is important. If one administration isn't using the facility as it was intended to be used, is it the builder's fault?
Not to say that the previous admin was blameless, but...

I'd argue that the builder should've had more foresight. The amount of infrastructure Obama threw together was pretty bold, unless they really thought a Republican would never take office. Same with RBG deciding not to retire under Obama, although I don't entirely fault her for that since it was a deeply personal choice and I can't say what I would have done in her shoes.

Even if we set that aside, I disagree with the "structure" itself (that being Obama's increased surveillance and deportation of immigrants, along with his Middle Eastern policy).
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Post by: Mr.DeMartino on November 17, 2020, 02:48:22 pm
Anyway, I think the use to which a structure is put to is important. If one administration isn't using the facility as it was intended to be used, is it the builder's fault?
Not to say that the previous admin was blameless, but...
I'd say Trump used the facility pretty darn close to how it was intended to be used. At the end of the day, a detention center is a detention center. And to again go Godwin, it's not like he turned it into an extermination camp. It started out classified as a detention center, it remains a detention center.
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Post by: Kyndo on November 17, 2020, 03:48:14 pm
I'd argue that the builder should've had more foresight.
I agree. But that's an entirely different sin.
Anyway, everybody knows that the future doesn't extend past end of term, right? Or possibly, --  if you're super lucky --beyond the end of next term!

I'd say Trump used the facility pretty darn close to how it was intended to be used. At the end of the day, a detention center is a detention center. And to again go Godwin, it's not like he turned it into an extermination camp. It started out classified as a detention center, it remains a detention center.
Returning to Godwin, Aschwits was built to be a detention centre too (well, after it was a soldier's barracks, but before it became an extermination camp). Likewise Guantanamo Bay. Likewise Pleasantville Minimum Security Facility for Really White Collared Criminals. I haven't toured the latter, but I suspect that I know which one I'd like to be sent to when they finally figure out what I did and extradite me!
I'm being a bit hyperbolic, agreed, but I really do feel that it's important to point out that detention centres can differ in many, many ways.
Obviously the ones built during Mr. Obama's tenure were used more or less for the purpose they were built for by Mr.Trump's administration, but there were differences in operation that some people deem to be very important.

Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: hippo on November 17, 2020, 04:25:46 pm
How about those forced sterilizations? https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/immigration-detention-and-coerced-sterilization-history-tragically-repeats-itself/ (https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/immigration-detention-and-coerced-sterilization-history-tragically-repeats-itself/)
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: hangook77 on December 07, 2020, 09:22:07 am
Stop the steal.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sco_sn6hQac
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Post by: hangook77 on December 07, 2020, 09:23:22 am
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMoUZ9Y4JgY
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Post by: gogators! on December 08, 2020, 12:41:44 am
This is  just a front for raising money. In the spirit of Christmas, trump is asking his cult members to dig deep, again.

And unlike with the 700 club and similar schemes, you're not even securing a place in heaven.
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Post by: hangook77 on December 08, 2020, 12:31:10 pm
Whatever gets you through the holidays....
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Post by: Savant on December 08, 2020, 01:02:29 pm
This is  just a front for raising money. In the spirit of Christmas, trump is asking his cult members to dig deep, again.

And unlike with the 700 club and similar schemes, you're not even securing a place in heaven.

“Heaven” being the porn star that Trump hasn’t paid to silence yet.
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Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 08, 2020, 01:20:53 pm
How about those forced sterilizations? https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/immigration-detention-and-coerced-sterilization-history-tragically-repeats-itself/ (https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/immigration-detention-and-coerced-sterilization-history-tragically-repeats-itself/)

Do a fact-check. The report claims what, 5 women had hysterectomies done?

It's also odd that one of the other things that's being claimed is that immigrants were denied abortions. Hardly in line with some sort of mass sterilization report.

Which is more likely- That there is some concerted effort at mass-sterilization combined with not permitting abortions to reduce the numbers of Latino illegal immigrants (??????) OR That these are sensationalized reports and/or the kind of reports any kind of large organization dispensing health care will get? I mean, how many hospitals get sued for unwanted hysterectomies/vasectomies or whatever by someone looking to make a buck? I'm guessing every major hospital gets a handful of quack claims for each department a year. Heck, it would be more suspicious if there were ZERO claims of any medical malpractice involving reproductive health.

https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/immigration-detention-and-coerced-sterilization-history-tragically-repeats-itself/
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Post by: Mr C on December 08, 2020, 03:17:50 pm
Do a fact-check. The report claims what, 5 women had hysterectomies done?

It's also odd that one of the other things that's being claimed is that immigrants were denied abortions. Hardly in line with some sort of mass sterilization report.


Um, you don't understand how both denying abortions and performing invasive procedures against their will are EXACTLY in line??  Really?!?!

From a guy that likes to call me clueless ...
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Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 08, 2020, 03:59:45 pm
Um, you don't understand how both denying abortions and performing invasive procedures against their will are EXACTLY in line??  Really?!?!

From a guy that likes to call me clueless ...
In line with what? What is their goal? Sterilization is done to limit population, which would be in line with FORCED abortions, not denying abortions.

Seems more like we have haphazard reports of various complaints, which you would get with any large-scale health care.
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Post by: gogators! on December 08, 2020, 09:08:18 pm
In line with what? What is their goal? Sterilization is done to limit population, which would be in line with FORCED abortions, not denying abortions.

Seems more like we have haphazard reports of various complaints, which you would get with any large-scale health care.
To what level do harmful acts have to rise before they are worthy of your consideration? 

The goal was to punish and deter, in line with the current administration's goals.

Th fake ICE colleges are another example of this, except they turned a pretty big profit that seems to have disappeared.

Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: gogators! on December 08, 2020, 09:10:36 pm
From Dan Rather:

"Worst farewell tour. Ever.

I think Donald Trump’s mantra for his lies about election fraud can be boiled down to some version of “You will not replace us.”

Can’t we get to the point in this movie where Toto pulls the green curtain?

Why is the Trump White House suddenly a very polite place to work? Everyone’s going around saying “pardon me.”

Enough is enough. And it's been enough, for long enough. Enough said.'
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Post by: plan b on December 09, 2020, 03:42:54 pm
From Dan Rather:

"Worst farewell tour. Ever.

I think Donald Trump’s mantra for his lies about election fraud can be boiled down to some version of “You will not replace us.”

Can’t we get to the point in this movie where Toto pulls the green curtain?

Why is the Trump White House suddenly a very polite place to work? Everyone’s going around saying “pardon me.”

Enough is enough. And it's been enough, for long enough. Enough said.'

What's going to be better when Beijing Biden gets in there?
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: gogators! on December 09, 2020, 10:45:43 pm
What's going to be better when Beijing Biden gets in there?
Plenty. What area of government are you specifically interested in?

To start you off, real national leadership guided by science and not crackpots on the pandemic.
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Post by: Adel on December 10, 2020, 07:40:46 am
What's going to be better when Beijing Biden gets in there?

It will be refreshing to have an Adult president for four years.
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Post by: Kyndo on December 10, 2020, 08:05:42 am
In line with what? What is their goal? Sterilization is done to limit population, which would be in line with FORCED abortions, not denying abortions.
Seems more like we have haphazard reports of various complaints, which you would get with any large-scale health care.
There are a *lot* of different reasons why forced sterilizations have taken place. Limiting population is only one of them.
Off the top of my head, some others include:
- Prevent hereditary genetic disorders from being propogated.
- Demographic manipulation: don't like poor people? Racial minorities? Criminals? Sexual minorities? Sterilize them!
- Punishment: back in the bad old days (and to a far lesser extent, currently) sex offenders were sterilized and chemically castrated.
- And finally, the reason that probably applies best to the particular situation described in the comments above, to prevent anchor babies from being conceived.
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Post by: plan b on December 10, 2020, 10:08:37 am
Plenty. What area of government are you specifically interested in?

To start you off, real national leadership guided by science and not crackpots on the pandemic.

It doesn't matter to you that he seems compromised by China? Even CNN is reporting  the Hunter Biden story today.
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Post by: 745sticky on December 10, 2020, 10:16:20 am
It doesn't matter to you that he seems compromised by China? Even CNN is reporting  the Hunter Biden story today.

to be fair you could probably level that same criticism against anyone. Trump didn't do nearly as much against China as he promised
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Post by: plan b on December 10, 2020, 10:40:12 am
to be fair you could probably level that same criticism against anyone. Trump didn't do nearly as much against China as he promised

He didn't have time, he spent most of the time dodging false accusations by the Dems...and when he called the corona virus the Chinese Virus..people would yell "racist".
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Post by: 745sticky on December 10, 2020, 10:43:32 am
He didn't have time, he spent most of the time dodging false accusations by the Dems...and when he called the corona virus the Chinese Virus..people would yell "racist".

I mean, throw the whole "Chinese Virus" thing aside, he said he was going to re-work our trade deals from day 1.
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Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 10, 2020, 10:49:02 am
Plenty. What area of government are you specifically interested in?

To start you off, real national leadership guided by science and not crackpots on the pandemic.
Leadership hasnt meant much. Look at coronavirus all over Europe and Canada. More and more we're seeing how little of an affect "leadership" has.

The unscientific take is to scream "TRUMP!!!!"   and blame everything on him.
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Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 10, 2020, 10:51:54 am
There are a *lot* of different reasons why forced sterilizations have taken place. Limiting population is only one of them.
Off the top of my head, some others include:
- Prevent hereditary genetic disorders from being propogated.
- Demographic manipulation: don't like poor people? Racial minorities? Criminals? Sexual minorities? Sterilize them!
- Punishment: back in the bad old days (and to a far lesser extent, currently) sex offenders were sterilized and chemically castrated.
- And finally, the reason that probably applies best to the particular situation described in the comments above, to prevent anchor babies from being conceived.
Or you know, the story is a crock of shit. Seriously, you have to compare the number of claims, which I think is somewhere between 5 and 20 with the rate of claims at reproductive health practitioners normally.

You deal with the genitals of any large number of people and sooner or later claims will pop up, fact based or not.
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Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 10, 2020, 10:53:55 am
It will be refreshing to have an Adult president for four years.
What fing good has that gotten us? A bunch of people sipping champagne and saying "the right things" and still being corrupt or ineffective as shit.
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Post by: 745sticky on December 10, 2020, 11:01:05 am
But DeMartino, now we can go back to brunch!
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Post by: Adel on December 10, 2020, 02:07:51 pm
What fing good has that gotten us? A bunch of people sipping champagne and saying "the right things" and still being corrupt or ineffective as shit.

I take it you'd prefer the autocratic pathway then and going with a one party state following a dear leader when election results don't go your way?
If Trump could get away with it he would.
https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2020-12-09/trump-vows-to-intervene-in-texas-election-case-before-supreme-court
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Post by: Kyndo on December 10, 2020, 02:21:57 pm
Or you know, the story is a crock of shit.
Possibly. Probably, even.
I wasn't making a comment on the veracity of the story, just offering a number of different reasons why sterilization programs have been carried out in the past. :undecided:
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Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 10, 2020, 02:52:43 pm
I take it you'd prefer the autocratic pathway then and going with a one party state following a dear leader when election results don't go your way?
If Trump could get away with it he would.
https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2020-12-09/trump-vows-to-intervene-in-texas-election-case-before-supreme-court

I think the anti-Trumper's claim to respecting democracy flew out the window with their abortive coup attempt at Trump using the knowingly false RUSSIA!!!!!! crap, all because election results didn't go their way and they couldn't accept it.

FFS all they had to do was step back and let Trump flail about and dude probably would have gotten voted out regardless. Instead they did that crap and completely lost any claim to legitimacy.
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Post by: Don Hobak on December 10, 2020, 03:04:21 pm
I take it you'd prefer the autocratic pathway then and going with a one party state following a dear leader when election results don't go your way?
If Trump could get away with it he would.
https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2020-12-09/trump-vows-to-intervene-in-texas-election-case-before-supreme-court

But DeMartino, now we can go back to brunch!

I get it sticky, there are plenty of “liberal” basic b****es out there wanting to get back to their pumpkin spice lives (or do I get it? Maybe you really think Biden’s 100 Day Plan is going to be truly wham bam and all those Sunday brunch spots can finally open up indoor dining again!  :police:) but you and Marty do realize that a majority of republicans will vote for any Red asshole on the ticket under idiotic rule of thumb that anything is better than a democrat, and that this has been going on far longer than any “ew, Trump” movement. Just look at the plutocratic trash Georgia republicans have put forward as their nominees for this runoff election. And those races are tossups!  You don’t think Beijing Biden is going to be held more accountable by the dems than Trump ever was by republicans? Look at how they still cower as he continues to LITERALLY try to steal the election.
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Post by: Kyndo on December 10, 2020, 03:09:22 pm
I think the anti-Trumper's claim to respecting democracy flew out the window with their abortive coup attempt at Trump.
Impeaching a president is a coup?
Are you one of those folk that claims throwing out Park Geun-hye was a coup?  :shocked:


Just to be clear, the agreed on, most commonly accepted definition  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup_d%27%C3%A9tat)of a coup is as follows:
"A coup is the removal of an existing government from power, usually through violent means and by usurpers originating from within a country’s institutions. Typically, it is an illegal, unconstitutional seizure of power by a political faction, the military, or a dictator."



 :wink:
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Post by: Adel on December 10, 2020, 03:56:27 pm


FFS all they had to do was step back and let Trump flail about and dude probably would have gotten voted out regardless. Instead they did that crap and completely lost any claim to legitimacy.

Which group doesn't accept the legitimacy of election results from states controlled by their own party and appointed judges again ?
Someone's been drinking he Kool Aide methinks.   :laugh:
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Post by: gogators! on December 10, 2020, 06:42:01 pm
I think the anti-Trumper's claim to respecting democracy flew out the window with their abortive coup attempt at Trump using the knowingly false RUSSIA!!!!!! crap, all because election results didn't go their way and they couldn't accept it.

FFS all they had to do was step back and let Trump flail about and dude probably would have gotten voted out regardless. Instead they did that crap and completely lost any claim to legitimacy.
I hope you're still alive when the true story about trump and putin comes out so that you can choke on it.
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Post by: Adel on December 11, 2020, 05:17:40 am
Impeaching a president is a coup?
Are you one of those folk that claims throwing out Park Geun-hye was a coup?  :shocked:


Just to be clear, the agreed on, most commonly accepted definition  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup_d%27%C3%A9tat)of a coup is as follows:
"A coup is the removal of an existing government from power, usually through violent means and by usurpers originating from within a country’s institutions. Typically, it is an illegal, unconstitutional seizure of power by a political faction, the military, or a dictator."



 :wink:

In the cult, words are defined by the dear leader and the hapless stooges follow without questioning.  :afro:
Eg. exhibit A: Martini   :rolleyes:
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Post by: 745sticky on December 11, 2020, 07:45:02 am
I hope you're still alive when the true story about trump and putin comes out so that you can choke on it.

That will literally never happen (mainly since the "true story" has already been told, and was pretty ****** lame), and I'm pretty sure Martini isn't immortal.
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Post by: tylerthegloob on December 11, 2020, 07:46:35 am
and I'm pretty sure Martini isn't immortal.

thats where youre wrong, kid
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: 745sticky on December 11, 2020, 09:36:52 am
I get it sticky, there are plenty of “liberal” basic b****es out there wanting to get back to their pumpkin spice lives (or do I get it? Maybe you really think Biden’s 100 Day Plan is going to be truly wham bam and all those Sunday brunch spots can finally open up indoor dining again!  :police:) .
I mean hey, with the vaccine it very well could. I imagine Biden would be a lot more able in securing the stuff than Trump (didn't he buy a bit then refuse to buy more or something?)


but you and Marty do realize that a majority of republicans will vote for any Red asshole on the ticket under idiotic rule of thumb that anything is better than a democrat, and that this has been going on far longer than any “ew, Trump” movement. Just look at the plutocratic trash Georgia republicans have put forward as their nominees for this runoff election. And those races are tossups!.
Hardcore republicans are pretty consistent, yeah. That being said they aren't getting much new blood and the number of them is shrinking (old age + covid). A lot of mainstream republicans are a lot more liberal-minded (or at least smart enough to pretend to be). Many of them have also realized that never-Trumping is as good a grift as you can get (The Lincoln Project springs to mind). As for Republicans running idiots in tossup states, whatever the people want the people get. You won't find the sort of coordinated attack you got from the dems on Bernie half because their own base would kill them and half because theyre too incompetent. Just look at 2016 when Trump was leading in the polls and Cruz and the usual suspects still just sat there sniping at each other, it took them months to even leverage a real attack on him.

All that being said, the dems don't need republicans flipping to win elections, all they need to do is hold their traditional base. Trump won in 2016 from flipping key states previously considered to be dem strongholds, and even then the margins were razor-thin. This is why I don't buy this idea that we need to run a moderate dem/republican lite to win over moderates. It doesn't matter if the Republican base thinks our candidate is a socialist, half of them actually think that about Biden anyways. Bernie was obviously the preferred choice but I would've settled for Yang (long shot, obviously I didn't expect him to get it) or even Tulsi. Hillary lost as a moderate in 2016, and you could make a case that Trump might have won this year if not for covid. The biggest threat for 2024 is Crenshaw (imho). If he runs more or less the same as Trump minus the outright slurs it'll take more than Biden to beat him.


 
You don’t think Beijing Biden is going to be held more accountable by the dems than Trump ever was by republicans? Look at how they still cower as he continues to LITERALLY try to steal the election.
To hold "Beijing Biden" (not my words, for the record) accountable for something, Biden would have to actually, like, do something. Now I'm not buying into the conspiracy theory that they're going to swap him with Kamala or anything, but I do think his cabinet will be doing most of the heavy lifting (and his cabinet picks suck). While Biden is particularly bad, you could've swapped him with any moderate Dem and I would feel more or less the same (I don't care about this Hunter Biden stuff either).

As for the republicans cowering, they sort of have to. If they come out against Trump now theres still a decent chance a chunk of their base splinters off to attempt Tea Party 2.0 or something. When push comes to shove if Trump refuses to leave I think they'll side with Biden (albeit as covertly as possible). Of course Trump still has his loyalists, but for every one of them there's 2 of those Romney types.


Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 11, 2020, 10:21:11 am
Impeaching a president is a coup?
Are you one of those folk that claims throwing out Park Geun-hye was a coup?  :shocked:
Impeachment was about Ukraine, not Russia.

With Russia, the entire thing was deliberately manufactured, through the use of warrants that never should have been granted due to deliberately withheld evidence. The biggest pushers of Russiagate? The same NeoCon/NeoLib hacks that gave us Iraq and domestic spying.

Yes THOSE scumbags are the defenders of democracy and should totally be trusted. :rolleyes:

Ukraine was just theater. Everyone knew it had zero chance of passing and also everyone knows its horseshit and that stuff happens all the time. It's just Trump's clumsy ass said it openly himself, without any coded language.

Attempting to have a President removed under false pretenses is a soft coup. No different than having one "step down due to health".
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 11, 2020, 10:26:16 am
I hope you're still alive when the true story about trump and putin comes out so that you can choke on it.
You can be alive right now and know its a crock of shit- No country has treated as real. Just visit a foreign policy forum. No one talks like its real because those people aren't gullible sap idiots. They know it is all political theater.

If it was real, the rest if NATO would have implemented massive sanctions on Russia, blocked off the Black Sea and closed the Baltic, and the information would have been released in short order.

Not a bunch of vague statements and innuendo that were fodder for Rachel Maddow.

FFS, at least have half a brain in trying to figure out what is real and what is theater. Stop being such gullible saps and just regurgitating what CNN feeds you because you hate Orange Man.
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Post by: Don Hobak on December 11, 2020, 10:39:10 am
I mean hey, with the vaccine it very well could.

I think even with the vaccine we’re still not looking at brunch-time relief until summer (when all those brunch spots will have their patios open anyway), but NEVER underestimate America(’s ability to underestimate the virus and open prematurely)!

I imagine Biden would be a lot more able in securing the stuff than Trump (didn't he buy a bit then refuse to buy more or something?)
Yes, Pfizer’s vaccine.

As for Republicans running idiots in tossup states, whatever the people want the people get.

As long as what the people want is “anything but a Democrat”, yes, that is what they’ll get.

Hillary lost as a moderate in 2016

Hillary lost as a Clinton in 2016.

The biggest threat for 2024 is Crenshaw (imho).
As a political novice, I know not of whom you speak, but pretty sure if we can just get “Creepy Crenshaw” to trend at just the right moment, he can be neutralized and Trump can secure the nomination once again. I thought Tucker Carlson was the one we were all supposed to be afraid of in 2024, but he dun f***ed up.

To hold "Beijing Biden" (not my words, for the record)

Not mine either. I legit thought he changed his name.

To hold [Sleepy Joe] accountable for something, Biden would have to actually, like, do something.

Exactly. He’s already held in check by like, decency, or whatever.

I don't care about this Hunter Biden stuff either
“The neverending non-stooOOOryyy...”

As for the republicans cowering, they sort of have to.

Isn’t that the scary part?

“They’re only aiding and abetting the subversion of democracy because they have to.” Not exactly comforting.

Of course Trump still has his loyalists, but for every one of them there's 2 of those Romney types.

Or is that the scary part?  :shocked:

N.b. This post has been exhausting to collate on my mobile device. :cry: Think I’ll stick with gifs next time...
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Kyndo on December 11, 2020, 11:35:01 am
Impeachment was about Ukraine, not Russia.
You're right, of course.
What I meant was that if the Russia issue had gotten any solid traction, there would've been an attempt at impeachment regarding that as well. Sorry if I wasn't being clear.

Attempting to have a President removed under false pretenses is a soft coup. No different than having one "step down due to health".
I personally disagree with the health thing, but I can see how some would feel that way about it.

I think that the jury is still out about how false those pretenses are. I'm curious about whether the issues are going to be readdressed after Mr. Trump's term has ended and he no longer enjoys the protection of his current position.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: 745sticky on December 11, 2020, 12:19:29 pm
I think even with the vaccine we’re still not looking at brunch-time relief until summer (when all those brunch spots will have their patios open anyway), but NEVER underestimate America(’s ability to underestimate the virus and open prematurely)!
Yes, Pfizer’s vaccine.
Yeah, the red states will definitely make it a hassle. I've seen some far-right voices going full-on antivax.


As long as what the people want is “anything but a Democrat”, yes, that is what they’ll get.
Well, that's what the hardline republicans in those states want. Georgia is starting to slip purple so they might not get their man in the seat itself though.


Hillary lost as a Clinton in 2016.
That was another aspect of it, yes. Maybe another moderate would have fared better, but she was the only one running.


As a political novice, I know not of whom you speak, but pretty sure if we can just get “Creepy Crenshaw” to trend at just the right moment, he can be neutralized and Trump can secure the nomination once again. I thought Tucker Carlson was the one we were all supposed to be afraid of in 2024, but he dun f***ed up.
I doubt Trump will run in 2024, the fallout from this election cycle will definitely put him off it. He might make some sort of symbolic attempt for his fanbase/ego but now he's got his term in and future book deal prospects I think he's happy.

I didn't see Tucker running for office anyways. He's covered politics long enough to know what that entails.

Also, Crenshaw is just young Trump but with an eyepatch, some political knowledge, and an actual agenda. Which makes him about 10x more dangerous than Trump since the main thing that held Trump in check was his own incompetence.


Exactly. He’s already held in check by like, decency, or whatever.
That plus his lack of motivation. If the corporate dems weren't fishing around for someone to prop up I honestly don't know if he'd have ran (and even then the dems were ready to drop him at any opportunity until it became clear he was their best bet)

All he really wants to do policy-wise is wind the clock back 4 years. Which sucks, but considering Maddow and friends have been begging for that for the last four years, I doubt anyone's gonna call him on it.


“The neverending non-stooOOOryyy...”
Oh I'm sure there's some sort of story there, but I highly doubt whatever story it is will keep Biden out of office.


Isn’t that the scary part?

“They’re only aiding and abetting the subversion of democracy because they have to.” Not exactly comforting.
Well, nobody's holding a gun to their head, but they have to if they want to preserve their careers. Which they do, and so they will. Not that it's a good thing, but at least if Trump attempts some sort of coup they're pretty likely to break our way.


Or is that the scary part?  :shocked:
Depends on who you ask, I guess. The back-to-brunchers should be relieved because the more moderate republicans are, the more chance of Biden('s cabinet) actually getting anything done. Of course there would be an even better chance if Mitch didn't get another term but that ship has sailed.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 11, 2020, 01:09:15 pm
I personally disagree with the health thing, but I can see how some would feel that way about it.
It's common practice in authoritarian countries for various figures, including heads of state to "retire" due to "health reasons".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikita_Khrushchev#Removal
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On 14 October 1964, the Presidium and the Central Committee each voted to accept Khrushchev's "voluntary" request to retire from his offices for reasons of "advanced age and ill health." Brezhnev was elected First Secretary (later General Secretary), while Alexei Kosygin succeeded Khrushchev as premier

Just because someone's removal or attempted removal has the pretense of legality, doesn't mean it isn't a coup.

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I think that the jury is still out about how false those pretenses are. I'm curious about whether the issues are going to be readdressed after Mr. Trump's term has ended and he no longer enjoys the protection of his current position.
The head of state of the most powerful country in NATO and the world, the commander-in-chief of its armed forces and the backbone of the global economy and international finance is in league with the Russians do you-

A) Immediately sanction Russia, put the military of the remaining NATO countries on high alert, shut down the Bosporus, and call an emergency session of the UN
B) Immediately release all evidence of this accusation, in full, and make a clear case to the American public why their leader is a foreign agent
C) Have the person arrested/assisnated
D) Leak flimsy stories to Rachel Maddow that fizzle out after two days because some kid wore a MAGA hat and smiled at some guy beating a drum in his face. Have it all culminate in Congressional hearings and a report in which Old Man Mueller comes across as a dottering senile fool.

This tells you all you need to know about how "real" these accusations against Trump are. Anyone with half a brain could figure out that this wasn't a serious charge. Basic effing common sense.

And these are the same group of assholes that lied to us about Iraq and Domestic Spying. Why the f*ck would anyone believe a word that comes out of their mouths? Heck, as far as intel agencies go, it is literally their job to lie to people, rig elections, and engage in propaganda smear. Why would anyone think these are good, noble people?

Just because a person hates Trump, doesn't mean every accusation against Trump is true. Unfortunately, too many gullible dipshits can't figure that concept out.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 11, 2020, 01:21:18 pm
Well, nobody's holding a gun to their head, but they have to if they want to preserve their careers. Which they do, and so they will. Not that it's a good thing, but at least if Trump attempts some sort of coup they're pretty likely to break our way.

Depends on who you ask, I guess. The back-to-brunchers should be relieved because the more moderate republicans are, the more chance of Biden('s cabinet) actually getting anything done. Of course there would be an even better chance if Mitch didn't get another term but that ship has sailed.
1. That assumes that Trump/GOP commits the coup and not the other way around (although at this point, yeah, it's more likely Trump would, but if by some magical dust it materializes that in fact there was some sort of substantive election fraud and Trump actually won, then it would be the other way around. Again, it was the Dems+Never Trump Rs that already attempted a soft coup.

If you love the country, you can hate Trump, but you also should raise a very skeptical eye at the whole process that went down. The next time, it may target a progressive who wants to reform the system and might propose such shocking things as trimming the military budget by 50% and instead focusing on health care and infrastructure. The same tactics that were used against Trump will be used against them. War, Inc. does not play around.

2. Be careful for what you wish for on Mitch. There's a lot worse out there than Mitch, trust me. And there's no way Romney or Sasse will be majority leader now. Heck, Mitch is considered squishy by the Trump base.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Kyndo on December 11, 2020, 01:21:59 pm
It's common practice in authoritarian countries for various figures, including heads of state to "retire" due to "health reasons".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikita_Khrushchev#Removal
Doesn't make it a coup per se.
It *might* be a coup. It might just be removing an individual from a position which they are no longer able to hold. It all depends on the process and legality of how said individual is removed.

Also, linking to examples from Soviet Russia is maybe not exactly apropos to a discussion of American political practices.  :laugh: ... ...or so I'm fervently hoping. :lipsrsealed:


Just because someone's removal or attempted removal has the pretense of legality, doesn't mean it isn't a coup.
Actually, the legality of the removal of a head of state is *exactly* what defines the action as a coup or not.
A "pretense of legality" would indicate that the removal wasn't legal (it was only a pretense of legality), which would make it a coup.

However, attempting to come up with sufficient legal evidence to remove him isn't an attempted coup. It would be an attempt to legally remove him. An important distinction.

Mr. Trump was not removed from his office was because there was not enough evidence to legally out him. Fortunately he wasn't removed despite that, else it would've been a coup.
That's all.


The head of state of the most powerful country in NATO and the world, the commander-in-chief of its armed forces and the backbone of the global economy and international finance is in league with the Russians do you...
Indirect collusion, which the POTUS was accused of, is in no way similar to "in league with". Lol.
The latter is obviously false. The former... hasn't yet been convincingly proven.  :undecided:
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 11, 2020, 01:44:44 pm
Doesn't make it a coup per se.
It *might* be a coup. It might just be removing an individual from a position which they are no longer able to hold. It all depends on the process and legality of how said individual is removed.

Also, linking to examples from Soviet Russia is maybe not exactly apropos to a discussion of American political practices.  :laugh: ... ...or so I'm fervently hoping. :lipsrsealed:
Why not? Are American or Western politics immune to political machinations or coup attempts?

Guess who also face a coup and was a contemporary of Khrushchev? Charles DeGaulle in 1961.

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Actually, the legality of the removal of a head of state is *exactly* what defines the action as a coup or not.
A "pretense of legality" would indicate that the removal wasn't legal (it was only a pretense of legality), which would make it a coup.

However, attempting to come up with sufficient legal evidence to remove him isn't an attempted coup. It would be an attempt to legally remove him. An important distinction.
What makes a coup a coup is the intent. The law is simply a tool that is used. It is designed to remove the current leader in power outside the standard means with the goal of a certain faction in seizing power.

The law can be whatever it wants to be. You can indict a ham sandwich, you can get anyone charged for anything for any reason. There's a reason "kangaroo court" is a term.

The people who did this routinely attempt to topple leaders in foreign countries. We see those as coups and us replacing regimes. Heck, we even openly admit it and celebrate it. What, because it's our own country it magically becomes impossible for them to do that?

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Mr. Trump was not removed from his office was because there was not enough evidence to legally out him. Fortunately he wasn't removed despite that, else it would've been a coup.
His removal was based on political will. The Democrats had sufficient political and popular backing to attempt the thing. The Republicans had sufficient will and backing to not convict. If either of those things changed, it would have been a different outcome regardless of "evidence" or "the law".

You do realize that you can basically conjure up any reason to impeach the President, under the American system, right? The standard is incredibly (and likely deliberately) vague.

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Indirect collusion, which the POTUS was accused of, is in no way similar to "in league with". Lol.
The latter is obviously false. The former... hasn't yet been convincingly proven.
Is that the kind of distinction they would seriously fiddle around with when it comes to the global economy and the leading NATO member state? "Well it's only indirect collusion, no big deal."

There wasn't any collusion. Anyone who pays attention and has half a brain knows it. No one took it seriously. You think all those various diplomatic summits and negotiations would have gone in if they thought Trump was "indirectly colluding"? Give me a break. You think South Korea would have proceeded with negotiations if they thought Russia was in league with Trump, even indirectly?

Why is it so hard for people to admit the entire Russia thing was a crock of shit?
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Kyndo on December 11, 2020, 02:13:43 pm
Why not? Are American or Western politics immune to political machinations or coup attempts?
Are you seriously trying to equate the Soviet political system with the American one? I mean, if it's tongue-in-cheek, then you earned yourself a lol. If you're serious... well...

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/1a59e8d531461e2e47c64af27fb4d66e/tenor.gif?itemid=9628866)

What makes a coup a coup is the intent. The law is simply a tool that is used. It is designed to remove the current leader in power outside the standard means with the goal of a certain faction in seizing power.
Nononono.

Look it up in a dictionary. It's all about the legality.
The wiki on "coup d'état (http://coup d'état)" has some interesting reading on the subject, actually.
Anyway, for a change in leadership to qualify as a coup, it's generally agreed that you need "illegal and overt attempts by the military or other elites within the state apparatus to unseat the sitting executive."
Otherwise it's just a change in leadership. Like what happened here in Korea recently. That wasn't a coup.

Also, I'm not sure what you mean about how it depends on intent. I wouldn't mind hearing more about your ideas on that, if you feel the inclination.

The law can be whatever it wants to be....
And yet, they never removed Mr. Trump from office. Because they couldn't. Because the law wouldn't allow them to. Because they couldn't change the law to suit their wants. Checks and balances and all that, I guess. Good things, those.


The rhetoric of "It's all such a crock of sh!t!" isn't very convincing, btw. Leave that for FB, please.
Citing relevant information from reliable sources to support your opinions is probably the best way to go, here.

Oh, and imho, South Korea would probably continue to negotiate with any incumbent American administration. Even if it came out that they were in league with Russia. Or worse yet, in league with Japan! They don't really have much choice, unfortunately.  :sad:
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: 745sticky on December 11, 2020, 02:33:59 pm
1. That assumes that Trump/GOP commits the coup and not the other way around (although at this point, yeah, it's more likely Trump would, but if by some magical dust it materializes that in fact there was some sort of substantive election fraud and Trump actually won, then it would be the other way around. Again, it was the Dems+Never Trump Rs that already attempted a soft coup.
I mean the boldest assumption I'm making is that a coup happens in the first place, lol. I'm sure Trump will posture his way out of office but I doubt there's going to be any serious opposition to Biden's victory once all the lawsuits fall through. He'll probably keep mouthing off about being cheated but nobody in mainstream media will take it seriously, so it'll matter. If Biden is sworn in, just ignore him. Maybe Dorsey will actually ban him from twitter too.


If you love the country, you can hate Trump, but you also should raise a very skeptical eye at the whole process that went down. The next time, it may target a progressive who wants to reform the system and might propose such shocking things as trimming the military budget by 50% and instead focusing on health care and infrastructure. The same tactics that were used against Trump will be used against them. War, Inc. does not play around.
Oh, I'm sure they will, but they've already been doing that (see Iowa caucus).


2. Be careful for what you wish for on Mitch. There's a lot worse out there than Mitch, trust me. And there's no way Romney or Sasse will be majority leader now. Heck, Mitch is considered squishy by the Trump base.
Honestly I'd almost take worse over boring at this point
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: 745sticky on December 11, 2020, 02:37:57 pm
And yet, they never removed Mr. Trump from office. Because they couldn't. Because the law wouldn't allow them to. Because they couldn't change the law to suit their wants. Checks and balances and all that, I guess. Good things, those.

They didn't remove Trump from office because

1) majority Republican senate
2) if they kicked Trump for reasons listed, the Republicans would be able to do the same to a Democrat at some theoretical future point in time

I guess that sort of qualifies as checks and balances in a way. If politics ever gets to the point where the politicians themselves are as polarized as their constituents, I'm sure one of the parties will say **** it and really try to screw the other regardless of cost to themselves. Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending how you see it) politicians right now don't really mean half the things they say about each other when the cameras are on.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 11, 2020, 06:57:25 pm
Oh, I'm sure they will, but they've already been doing that (see Iowa caucus).
Another good point. We already had a Dem party that put its finger on the scale while the Republicans, say what you will, had a fair and impartial primary in which they let the candidates duke it out and the voters to make their choice.

Doesn't that show a pattern of behavior by the Democrats? If they can't hold free, fair, impartial elections WITHIN their own party, why should we believe that they'll do it with the entire country?
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Savant on December 11, 2020, 08:50:06 pm
Another good point. We already had a Dem party that put its finger on the scale while the Republicans, say what you will, had a fair and impartial primary in which they let the candidates duke it out and the voters to make their choice.

Doesn't that show a pattern of behavior by the Democrats? If they can't hold free, fair, impartial elections WITHIN their own party, why should we believe that they'll do it with the entire country?

Are you really putting "free, fair, impartial elections" on the table as a criticism of Democrats given the utter asshattery that Trump and the Republicans are pulling right now?

The Republicans want to overturn the "will of the people" and have Trump re-elected by his own political sycophants.

Get off your Trump fanboi high horse.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: gogators! on December 11, 2020, 09:12:54 pm
That will literally never happen (mainly since the "true story" has already been told, and was pretty ****** lame), and I'm pretty sure Martini isn't immortal.
You can be alive right now and know its a crock of shit- No country has treated as real. Just visit a foreign policy forum. No one talks like its real because those people aren't gullible sap idiots. They know it is all political theater.

If it was real, the rest if NATO would have implemented massive sanctions on Russia, blocked off the Black Sea and closed the Baltic, and the information would have been released in short order.

Not a bunch of vague statements and innuendo that were fodder for Rachel Maddow.

FFS, at least have half a brain in trying to figure out what is real and what is theater. Stop being such gullible saps and just regurgitating what CNN feeds you because you hate Orange Man.
Nope.  Countries do treat trump as a security threat. The Russian investigation into trump was begin by the FBI for entirely credible reasons.

I'm not going to argue with you.  You'll continue with this until doomsday,  no matter how wrong you are.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Don Hobak on December 12, 2020, 11:56:27 am
I doubt Trump will run in 2024, the fallout from this election cycle will definitely put him off it. He might make some sort of symbolic attempt for his fanbase/ego but now he's got his term in and future book deal prospects I think he's happy.

Not sure what fallout you mean. 2/3 of Congressional Republicans back his bid to throw out the election results.

That book should be a lot of fun for his ghost writer  :lipsrsealed:

That plus his lack of motivation. If the corporate dems weren't fishing around for someone to prop up I honestly don't know if he'd have ran (and even then the dems were ready to drop him at any opportunity until it became clear he was their best bet)

Maybe it’s just some contrived corporate-backed origins story, but the cringe “Battle for the Soul of the Nation” slogan was actually Biden’s idea. Pretty sure he was independently motivated. He probably would have ran in 2016 if not for his grief and the embarrassment of not having the endorsement of his boss.


Oh I'm sure there's some sort of story there, but I highly doubt whatever story it is will keep Biden out of office.

No it won’t keep him out of office. If there’s a story I’m sure we’ve already heard most of it (along with a lot of fluffy BS), namely that his son is something of a POS making money off his dad’s name, but highly doubt anything is going to turn up that shows any impropriety by Sleepy Beijing himself even if there’s something funky in Hunter’s taxes, though it will be interesting to see how the Biden justice department handles his case after the handoff coup. No doubt it will serve as fodder for NewsMax or whatever until the next “but her emails!” controversy though.

Well, nobody's holding a gun to their head, but they have to if they want to preserve their careers. Which they do, and so they will. Not that it's a good thing, but at least if Trump attempts some sort of coup they're pretty likely to break our way.

I think the tacit implication is that if they don’t go along with Trump, they will at the very least get plenty of threats of guns to their heads, and this by the very people whose votes they need (assuming they’ll leave future elections up to the voters after this debacle).

Crenshaw is just young Trump but with an eyepatch, some political knowledge, and an actual agenda. Which makes him about 10x more dangerous than Trump since the main thing that held Trump in check was his own incompetence.   

Nothing like Trump whatsoever!

Congressman (i.e. political experience) with some political knowledge: deep-state swamp dweeb

Has a policy agenda: nerd

Competent: sleepy

Went to Tufts and Harvard: elitist cabal apparatchik

Not a billionaire: Loser!

10 years military service: Sucker! Rube!

Place of birth: Some Kenya-like country

Eyepatch: Worthy of nothing more than mockery. “Creepy Crenshaw” should easily stick then. Here, I’ll save Trump the trouble.

Neutralized

Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Don Hobak on December 12, 2020, 12:45:11 pm
Look it up in a dictionary. It's all about the legality.
The wiki on "coup d'état (http://coup d'état)" has some interesting reading on the subject, actually.
Anyway, for a change in leadership to qualify as a coup, it's generally agreed that you need "illegal and overt attempts by the military or other elites within the state apparatus to unseat the sitting executive."
Otherwise it's just a change in leadership. Like what happened here in Korea recently. That wasn't a coup.

What about the recent Japanese soft-stool coup?

And yet, they never removed Mr. Trump from office. Because they couldn't. Because the law wouldn't allow them to. Because they couldn't change the law to suit their wants. Checks and balances and all that, I guess. Good things, those.

Generally agreed upon as good, but not always the unshakeable girders we expect them to be.

“What Really Saved the Republic From Trump?”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/10/opinion/trump-constitution-norms.html?0p19G=2103

@Marty
Why weren’t those who staged the attempted Trump coup tried for treason after their effort was thwarted? Seems like the only fitting charge for such a heinous crime. Adam Schiff still walks free. :shocked:
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Kyndo on December 13, 2020, 11:12:15 am
What about the recent Japanese soft-stool coup?
Couldn't find any references to that!
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...
...is it as scatological as it sounds?
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Don Hobak on December 13, 2020, 03:36:21 pm
Attempting to have a President removed under false pretenses is a soft coup. No different than having one "step down due to health".

Couldn't find any references to that!
...is it as scatological as it sounds?

Shinzo Abe recently “stepped down” due to “ulcerative colitis”, but it reeks of something foul if you ask me. And if the symptoms match the diagnosis, the answer to your question is a s-categorical yes.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 13, 2020, 04:38:19 pm
Why weren’t those who staged the attempted Trump coup tried for treason after their effort was thwarted? Seems like the only fitting charge for such a heinous crime. Adam Schiff still walks free. :shocked:
The same reason they couldn't secure a conviction against Trump: Entrenched interests and balance of power means it's like moving lines back and forth across an entire front, ala WW1.

It's also the same reason the people who lied us into Iraq are not in prison and people like Comey and Clapper who lied about spying on the American public aren't in prison.

You do know that, right? Comey and Clapper, who are part of the group that made up this whole Russian mess, also had a hand in Iraq and were the direct leaders of the domestic American spying program, which they lied about under oath.
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Or are you one of those people who is so ignorant and stupid that you only think stuff begins with Trump and have never bothered to look into the history of the people going after him?

Shinzo Abe recently “stepped down” due to “ulcerative colitis”, but it reeks of something foul if you ask me. And if the symptoms match the diagnosis, the answer to your question is a s-categorical yes.
Is it your claim that every head of state who has stepped down due to "health" has done so because they actually are in poor health and can't function?

Are you really that ignorant of history?
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Don Hobak on December 13, 2020, 08:53:39 pm
The same reason they couldn't secure a conviction against Trump: Entrenched interests and balance of power

Wait, I thought it was because the allegations were a crock of sh!t...

You do know that, right? Comey and Clapper, who are part of the group that made up this whole Russian mess, also had a hand in Iraq and were the direct leaders of the domestic American spying program, which they lied about under oath.

Yes, I’ve gone over Kyndo’s diagram several times now and as a student of history I’ll have you know that I can trace this conspiracy straight PAST Comey and Clapper to Nixon, if not as far back as Reagan himself.

are you one of those people who is so ignorant and stupid
This too

Is it your claim that every head of state who has stepped down due to "health" has done so because they actually are in poor health and can't function?

To steal a line from Trump himself, it was a joke, but if I had to explain it I guess the point is that once anything qualifies as a soft, hard, or poached coo day tah, you start to see them everywhere.

Are you really that ignorant

Yes already!  :cry:
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: 745sticky on December 15, 2020, 08:44:51 am
Not sure what fallout you mean. 2/3 of Congressional Republicans back his bid to throw out the election results.
I mean yeah, but they'd do the same for any other Republican.

I was more referring to the fallout to his image (although to be fair I could have worded it better since that started well before *this* specific election cycle lol). Dude used to be actually pretty well-liked by the liberal New York crowd. A second term would obviously do very little to rehabilitate his image, and if he "wins" how he is trying to, the next president (assuming its a Democrat, which is statistically likely) might actually try to convict and sentence him to something more than a fine.


That book should be a lot of fun for his ghost writer  :lipsrsealed:
Thoughts and prayers for them.


Maybe it’s just some contrived corporate-backed origins story, but the cringe “Battle for the Soul of the Nation” slogan was actually Biden’s idea. Pretty sure he was independently motivated. He probably would have ran in 2016 if not for his grief and the embarrassment of not having the endorsement of his boss.
I'm sure his friends in the party managed to gas him up a little bit, maybe even enough for him to think of something like that. He did also want to run to make his sons proud. But wanting to be President for the sake of being President hardly counts as motivation. I guess Trump sort of did the same thing but Trump was also visibly on uppers at all of his rallies so at least there was the entertainment factor, plus he's better at brazenly lying.

He barely had Obama's endorsement this year, hell he pretty much didn't until it was obvious he would win the Democratic primaries. Even then Obama was still talking shit behind his back ("don't underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up")


No it won’t keep him out of office. If there’s a story I’m sure we’ve already heard most of it (along with a lot of fluffy BS), namely that his son is something of a POS making money off his dad’s name, but highly doubt anything is going to turn up that shows any impropriety by Sleepy Beijing himself even if there’s something funky in Hunter’s taxes, though it will be interesting to see how the Biden justice department handles his case after the handoff coup. No doubt it will serve as fodder for NewsMax or whatever until the next “but her emails!” controversy though.
Even if you extrapolate I don't think there's enough there for the Republicans to actually pursue anything. I'm sure some people will go on about it, but it'll be to no effect


I think the tacit implication is that if they don’t go along with Trump, they will at the very least get plenty of threats of guns to their heads, and this by the very people whose votes they need (assuming they’ll leave future elections up to the voters after this debacle).
All of Trump's court cases have been thrown out. If they try to seriously prop him up anyways they'll have the CIA gun to their head, which is a lot more than just a threat.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Don Hobak on December 15, 2020, 08:51:31 am
In other news, it looks like Biden just *might* still have a chance to pull off a victory here. His campaign is breathing new life today, however fleeting it may be.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Adel on December 16, 2020, 04:57:39 am
For those who question the notion of a 'Trump Cult' and loyalty to the dear leader above everything else!

  www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTbW0mgSvUc

In other news Trump has been tweeting supporting for idea of locking up some Georgian Republicans for not supporting his crazy fraud conspiracy theories.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor)

Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Savant on December 16, 2020, 08:06:49 am
In other news, it looks like Biden just *might* still have a chance to pull off a victory here. His campaign is breathing new life today, however fleeting it may be.

Nah-uh! Until Biden is inaugurated, I think Donny still has a chance of winning.  We all know the Electoral College is a deep state institution stacked by radical-leftists.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: 745sticky on December 16, 2020, 08:11:30 am
For those who question the notion of a 'Trump Cult' and loyalty to the dear leader above everything else!

Fuentes been a nutcase for a while, so its pretty sad to see he's redeeming himself in the eyes of some Republicans. That said the fact Fuentes is even being allowed to grift so hard off this movement says a lot about how much mainstream Republicans actually care about it

Trump definitely has some loyalists (Chris Christie types, etc). but I bet most of the people at those rallies are gonna pack it up and go home once Biden gets sworn in. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure some of them will get up to something, but it'll be more isolated incidents rather than some grand Trumpism uprising.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Foreverparadise on February 19, 2021, 09:24:47 am
Nah-uh! Until Biden is inaugurated, I think Donny still has a chance of winning.  We all know the Electoral College is a deep state institution stacked by radical-leftists.

Electoral college made my radical leftists? That's wasn't the information I got from Praeger U.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Mr C on June 24, 2021, 03:17:42 pm
In Michigan, a GOP Senate committee has released its findings:  "Our clear finding is that citizens should be confident the results represent the true results of the ballots cast by the people of Michigan."

Further, the committee also recommended that Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel "consider investigating those who have been utilizing misleading and false information about Antrim County to raise money or publicity for their own ends."

I think that would include Trump and Giuliani.

But they still want to make it harder to vote.  Because GOP.

- https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gop-led-michigan-committee-finds-no-evidence-of-election-fraud/ar-AALmyqs?ocid=BingNewsSearch
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Adel on June 26, 2021, 05:45:25 am
Awww...butthurt, empty-headed leftist moderators cannot stand to see the truth about Benedict Beta-male Joe .....

You girls really are a bunch of blouses.

I think it would be very healthy for you to air your phobias in as much detail as possible. However you really should just focus on what is at the heart of it. 

Let's start off with an image first.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ8hAbHFKuFndnmnjybBn2rs3Vt0C89aHFB6g&usqp=CAU)

Tell us what do you see?
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Mr C on July 15, 2021, 11:37:37 pm
This:
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Adel on July 16, 2021, 06:47:07 am
This:
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/top-us-general-likened-trump-hitler-over-2020-election-lies-2021-7?r=US&IR=T

Wow I thought only Marti used that Trump Hitler comparison. It turns out leaders within Trump's own military did too. This is really quite astonishing. Marti really is a highly qualified arm chair general. His skills are wasted in Korea.  :laugh:
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on July 16, 2021, 09:05:20 am
This:
In other words, Top-US general completely wrong about Trump.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Savant on July 16, 2021, 09:51:37 am
Trump's just like the coronavirus. He's just not going away fast enough.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Mr C on July 16, 2021, 06:47:11 pm
In other words, Top-US general completely wrong about Trump.

To recap:  Chairman of Joint Chiefs, who, a) has daily contact with Trump, and b) holds master's in international relations from Columbia and national security and strategic studies from the Naval War College, states an incredibly well-informed opinion.

Anonymous, brown-nosed Trump sycophant on the internet sticks fingers in ears and yells, "La-la-la-la."
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Mr C on September 25, 2021, 11:23:44 pm
Despite the fact, FACT, I say, that the idiots in Arizona could not find ANY fraud, misplaced ballots, malfeasance of any kind, in Donald J Trump's embarrassing LOSS to the rightful President Joseph Biden in their state (and in fact found a few hundred votes that made him a bigger LOSER), TEXAS  (aka Mar-a-Lago) plans their own idiotic loser fraudit in a state Trump WON! 

You just have to wonder if Trump actually lost in Texas. 

Hell, he's lost about 80 times now, so ...
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Chester Jim on October 26, 2021, 02:40:47 pm
Despite the fact, FACT, I say, that the idiots in Arizona could not find ANY fraud, misplaced ballots, malfeasance of any kind, in Donald J Trump's embarrassing LOSS to the rightful President Joseph Biden in their state (and in fact found a few hundred votes that made him a bigger LOSER), TEXAS  (aka Mar-a-Lago) plans their own idiotic loser fraudit in a state Trump WON! 

You just have to wonder if Trump actually lost in Texas. 

Hell, he's lost about 80 times now, so ...
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You say?  Well cares what you say?
Read the official report.   They said that it shouldn't have been certified.   57k ballots should have been thrown out in an election Biden got by 10k votes. 
They erased data on the servers so it couldn't be investigated. 
They had thousands of people who voted in multiple counties. 
The media only ran that the total count of the fake votes had Biden ahead.  They didn't mention the canvas.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Kyndo on October 26, 2021, 03:04:40 pm
Is any of that provable?
Would be a pretty big scandal if it turned out to be true.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Chester Jim on October 27, 2021, 01:52:02 am


That’s not an argument that’s ridicule.  Keep it up, but you don’t have any idea that this is happening or that your whole narrative is crashing down because you only watch mainstream media which is leftist garbage.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Chester Jim on October 27, 2021, 02:34:59 am
I guess they should've called ghostbusters!

Isaac Newton studied Hebrew to determine from the Bible when the world would end.  He’s a lot smarter than you.  You should watch your bigotry against Christians,  atheists like yourself murdered millions last century.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Chester Jim on October 27, 2021, 02:43:20 am
So I’m beginning to think the crazy stuff was projection.  Are you okay? 

Here’s Norm Macdonald and an ignorant leftist comedian thinking that bashing Christians is okay. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebfjuk2fHJo
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Chester Jim on October 27, 2021, 02:59:22 am
How did I know you would post another stupid gif.
Bigotry against religion is pretty low.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: gogators! on October 27, 2021, 04:32:48 am
  Here’s  the report.  Not that it matters because you are too thick and stupid to understand much of it. 

Gee I wonder why the top ten google searches I.e mainstream media never link to the official report.  Huh gee I wonder.  You’d be crazy not to ask.
Katie Hobbs, soros funded, says that the Arizona election was the most secure in history.  You believe her.  Well delusion is by definition crazy.

“23,344 mail-in ballots were counted from individuals who no longer lived at the address to which the mail-in ballot was sent. The audit called these “mail-in ballots voted from prior address” in the voter history phase. (critical impact)”

https://c692f527-da75-4c86-b5d1-8b3d5d4d5b43.filesusr.com/ugd/2f3470_a91b5cd3655445b498f9acc63db35afd.pdf


https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/09/25/arizona-senate-draft-report-on-the-maricopa-county-election-audit-highlights-49000-questionable-votes-asks-ag-to-investigate/


LOL. Cyber ninjas.

"A new review by veteran election experts of the “laughable” Cyber Ninjas Arizona ballot audit reports that it was an even bigger sham than previously known, with the auditors completely missing 16,000 votes in a rechecked sample.

The recount — which nevertheless confirmed Joe Biden won — was wildly inaccurate, according to a review of it conducted by Larry Moore, founder of the non-partisan Boston-based Clear Ballot Group, Arizona Republican data analyst Benny White, and Clear Ballot’s retired chief tech expert Tim Halvorsen.

“The discrepancies are so large that they cannot just be brushed aside,” Moore told The Arizona Republic. “The reality is they just made up the numbers.”

This “blows apart everything that’s happened in the past nine months. Anybody with a hand calculator and five minutes could figure it out,” he added.

The analysts — who are known as the “audit guys” in election circuits — on Friday released their findings of the Cyber Ninjas’ audit, which was conducted on behalf of the Arizona legislature to analyze the 2.1 million votes of Maricopa County, which Biden won.

In just one of a series of jaw-dropping errors by the Cyber Ninjas outlined in the report, a check of 40 ballot boxes found that the Ninjas’ hand count was short by nearly 16,000 ballots — roughly a third of all the ballots contained in the boxes. The Cyber Ninjas hand-counted ballots in a total of 1,600 boxes, which could mean they missed hundreds of thousands of votes.

The Cyber Ninjas had claimed that its hand count nearly matched certified election results; it did not, the review noted. Nor did it match a machine count of votes arranged by the company’s employer, the state Senate.

That discrepancy alone renders any statement by the Ninjas about votes in Maricopa County “meaningless,” the report declared.

The Cyber Ninjas concluded in its report last month that Biden did indeed win the presidential election (the operation even found 99 extra votes for him), but still raised several questions challenging the integrity of the Maricopa County election process.

The analysts characterized Cyber Ninjas’ claim that Trump actually had 261 fewer votes than previously counted a “shiny object” meant “to convey believability to an otherwise unbelievable hoax.”

In short, noted the analysts: “Having zero experience in election audits, the Ninjas’ announcement that they had confirmed, to a high degree of accuracy, the election results of the second largest county in the country is, we believe, laughable.”

Like I said, LOL.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Mr C on October 27, 2021, 09:26:35 pm
Isaac Newton studied Hebrew to determine from the Bible when the world would end.  He’s a lot smarter than you.  You should watch your bigotry against Christians,  atheists like yourself murdered millions last century.

I'm not sure the point of this.  Newton thought the world will end in 2060, at the earliest.  So, we'll see.  For the record, Bishop Ussher, a professor at Trinity, Dublin, and a smart man, to be sure, around the same time studied the Bible to determine that the world began in 4004 BC.  On October 23.  At 9 AM.  I think it was purely a coincidence that happens to be when the school term at Trinity began ...

Now, I don't know Adel's religion or lack thereof, but it wasn't atheists who led the Holocaust in the last century. 

Germany's population in 1933 was about 67 million, comprised of 40 million Protestants, 20 million Catholics, and small numbers of people adhering to other Christian traditions. The German Evangelical Church (the largest Protestant church) and the Roman Catholic church were pillars of German society and played an important role in shaping people’s attitudes and actions vis-à-vis National Socialism, including anti-communism, nationalism, traditional loyalty to governing authorities (particularly among Protestants), and the convergence of Nazi antisemitism with widespread and deep-seated anti-Jewish prejudice.

But maybe you meant the genocide by Leopold II in Belgian Congo, where 10 or 15 million were massacred in the name of Christ?  I know it started in the late 1800s but accelerated in the "last century".

I assume, from what you said above, you're willing to blame those "like yourself" who share those beliefs for such terrible events, right?

If you meant China's Cultural Revolution, you might have a point, but I don't think Adel is in any way sympatico with Mao.  I'm what many would call an atheist, though I'd describe myself as agnostic--I'm waiting to see--and I'm no more arguing for the murder of millions in China and Tibet than I think he is.  In fact, I'm pretty sure both of us deplore China's treatment of Tibetans and Uighurs.  I assume you do, too.

Could you, y'know, clarify your point?
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: gogators! on October 27, 2021, 11:00:14 pm

Could you, y'know, clarify your point?
That's the problem with those who feel they are entitled. Always asking for more, more, more.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Chester Jim on October 28, 2021, 02:46:51 am
LOL. Cyber ninjas.

"A new review by veteran election experts of the “laughable” Cyber Ninjas Arizona ballot audit reports that it was an even bigger sham than previously known, with the auditors completely missing 16,000 votes in a rechecked sample.

The recount — which nevertheless confirmed Joe Biden won — was wildly inaccurate, according to a review of it conducted by Larry Moore, founder of the non-partisan Boston-based Clear Ballot Group, Arizona Republican data analyst Benny White, and Clear Ballot’s retired chief tech expert Tim Halvorsen.

“The discrepancies are so large that they cannot just be brushed aside,” Moore told The Arizona Republic. “The reality is they just made up the numbers.”

This “blows apart everything that’s happened in the past nine months. Anybody with a hand calculator and five minutes could figure it out,” he added.

The analysts — who are known as the “audit guys” in election circuits — on Friday released their findings of the Cyber Ninjas’ audit, which was conducted on behalf of the Arizona legislature to analyze the 2.1 million votes of Maricopa County, which Biden won.

In just one of a series of jaw-dropping errors by the Cyber Ninjas outlined in the report, a check of 40 ballot boxes found that the Ninjas’ hand count was short by nearly 16,000 ballots — roughly a third of all the ballots contained in the boxes. The Cyber Ninjas hand-counted ballots in a total of 1,600 boxes, which could mean they missed hundreds of thousands of votes.

The Cyber Ninjas had claimed that its hand count nearly matched certified election results; it did not, the review noted. Nor did it match a machine count of votes arranged by the company’s employer, the state Senate.

That discrepancy alone renders any statement by the Ninjas about votes in Maricopa County “meaningless,” the report declared.

The Cyber Ninjas concluded in its report last month that Biden did indeed win the presidential election (the operation even found 99 extra votes for him), but still raised several questions challenging the integrity of the Maricopa County election process.

The analysts characterized Cyber Ninjas’ claim that Trump actually had 261 fewer votes than previously counted a “shiny object” meant “to convey believability to an otherwise unbelievable hoax.”

In short, noted the analysts: “Having zero experience in election audits, the Ninjas’ announcement that they had confirmed, to a high degree of accuracy, the election results of the second largest county in the country is, we believe, laughable.”

Like I said, LOL.

Garbage.
 
If you count the a stack of bills over and over again and don’t examine them for counterfeit you will always get the same number. 
Completely stupid. 
The report concluded they should not have certified.
 50 ballots had serious problems and most were illegitimate.

The sharpies that they handed out on Election Day sent many ballots to adjudication.

You have adjudication rates of 68 percent in the one Antrim county audit of machines.   The acceptable rate is like .003 % .    Adjudication is the dark room where ballots go to get changed.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: gogators! on October 28, 2021, 04:45:51 am
Garbage.
 
Yes, the cyber ninja report is garbage. Glad you agree, but total garbage would be a more accurate summing up.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Adel on October 28, 2021, 04:56:02 am
Yes, the cyber ninja report is garbage. Glad you agree, but total garbage would be a more accurate summing up.

(https://i.gifer.com/origin/69/69404fa7b96f31b7e1b2e4e4e24aa129_w200.gif)

Cool name though!  :laugh:
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Chester Jim on October 29, 2021, 01:28:31 am
Wait what's this?
Wisconsin sheriff to reveal election fraud.  "Election law was not broke but shattered"

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/10/live-stream-video-wi-sheriff-schmaling-releases-video-democrats-stuffing-ballot-boxes-racine-wisconsin/

Also the if anything the Cyber Ninjas name should have you think that it was a bipartisan company.  Conservatives are no the geeky comic con types.   Nope that is the Barry Sotero aka Barak Hussein the anti white warrior Obama, or William Wilheim aka Bill De Blasio.   or Stephen Colbert, I change the last name name Pronunciation.  And Kamala can't even pronounce her own name consistently.

But again you lose so you result to ridicule and insults.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Adel on October 29, 2021, 01:45:56 am
Wait what's this?
Wisconsin sheriff to reveal election fraud.  "Election law was not broke but shattered"

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/10/live-stream-video-wi-sheriff-schmaling-releases-video-democrats-stuffing-ballot-boxes-racine-wisconsin/

Also the if anything the Cyber Ninjas name should have you think that it was a bipartisan company.  Conservatives are no the geeky comic con types.   Nope that is the Barry Sotero aka Barak Hussein the anti white warrior Obama, or William Wilheim aka Bill De Blasio.   or Stephen Colbert, I change the last name name Pronunciation.  And Kamala can't even pronounce her own name consistently.

But again you lose so you result to ridicule and insults.

(https://c.tenor.com/Rk9d9CzoPbMAAAAd/donald-trump-loser.gif)

Sorry Jimbo. You've lost but you just  refuse to recognise it.  :laugh:
Now you're like a Japanese soldier hiding out in the Philippines refusing to accept the war is over. However it's ok, some of us find you amusing.   
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Chester Jim on October 29, 2021, 02:14:32 am
I'm not sure the point of this.  Newton thought the world will end in 2060, at the earliest.  So, we'll see.  For the record, Bishop Ussher, a professor at Trinity, Dublin, and a smart man, to be sure, around the same time studied the Bible to determine that the world began in 4004 BC.  On October 23.  At 9 AM.  I think it was purely a coincidence that happens to be when the school term at Trinity began ...

Now, I don't know Adel's religion or lack thereof, but it wasn't atheists who led the Holocaust in the last century. 

Germany's population in 1933 was about 67 million, comprised of 40 million Protestants, 20 million Catholics, and small numbers of people adhering to other Christian traditions. The German Evangelical Church (the largest Protestant church) and the Roman Catholic church were pillars of German society and played an important role in shaping people’s attitudes and actions vis-à-vis National Socialism, including anti-communism, nationalism, traditional loyalty to governing authorities (particularly among Protestants), and the convergence of Nazi antisemitism with widespread and deep-seated anti-Jewish prejudice.

But maybe you meant the genocide by Leopold II in Belgian Congo, where 10 or 15 million were massacred in the name of Christ?  I know it started in the late 1800s but accelerated in the "last century".

I assume, from what you said above, you're willing to blame those "like yourself" who share those beliefs for such terrible events, right?

If you meant China's Cultural Revolution, you might have a point, but I don't think Adel is in any way sympatico with Mao.  I'm what many would call an atheist, though I'd describe myself as agnostic--I'm waiting to see--and I'm no more arguing for the murder of millions in China and Tibet than I think he is.  In fact, I'm pretty sure both of us deplore China's treatment of Tibetans and Uighurs.  I assume you do, too.

Could you, y'know, clarify your point?
I don't think that the the Nazis had anything to do with Christianity. That is really loose with the facts.  Christians who didn't tow the Darwinian line were sent to concentration camps.    Nazism used Darwinian theory along with nationalism.  If anything it was this popular idea among atheists the created the vision of an existential fight between races.  While they may have used God's name from time to time, there was nothing Christian about it.
You can't blame greed and colonialism on Christianity either.
Without Christianity we might still have slavery. They were some of its biggest opponents.

What you do have is in a very short time in the 20th century hundreds of millions of people killed by rabid atheist communists.
They had a vision of a perfect world and all they had to do was murder millions of people to achieve it.
Christianity would be great if it didn't carry along it's ugly Old Testament twin.  That thing is a recipe even a prescription for slavery.  I'd accept that the communists were influenced by the Old Testament in Russia.  But in China  they wiped out religion and history and then behaved savagely.
Atheism has no replacement for religion which is common to everybody on the planet at every time in history, probably meaning that it is inherent in people.  There is a lot of talk lately about trans humanism  The real world is a lot more strange than any religious text.  And at some point they have to admit that they don't know a thing about the universe and why we are here.  Instead they claim to know that which they have no way of knowing.  They begin to 'believe'  ABC and CBS and the democrat party.
Christianity is not bad.  It has been responsible for a LOT of good, and if you take all the scientist who made great discoveries pre 20th century, then you find a list of very religious people, so these are not mutually exclusive, probably because IQ is very real, sorry democrats and Californina.
I don't practice Chrisitianity..  But I live  and have lived in a Christian society that I like.  I like the people.  I am not afraid of them.  I know how to handle a Jehovahs witness. I understand the Christian teachings and I know that they are not bad.  That said, I would not want them changing nations into Christian nations.  I like India as Indian, I like Japan as Japan is etc..   Which is part of the reason why I am not a Christian. I don't think that you should convert people because they will go to hell otherwise.     
But on the other hand, I think it would be foolish to attack Christianity because we don't know what would replace it, and it already looks like things are degenerating.  I think selling baby parts is appalling.  I also view this whole vaccine sacrifice stuff as disgusting and led by atheists.

Even China today is the result of a loss of belief and culture.  They harvest the organs of political dissidents.  They have people backing over someone they hit in the road just to save money.  It is a dystopian nightmare.  Every one just says oh look at how they can build things.  The people who root for China are the people who want an extractive slave state to exist in the world.  Lebron James and Beyonce want their sweat shops and cheap labor, for what? How much do they need.?   But the worse part is that they are exporting their ccp system to the US.   The US corporations made a big bet that the Chinese consumer market would bring them trillions.  They refuse to take any loses on a bad bet.  The same way that the the Banks refused to take loses in 2008 and were all bailed out.     If the US wanted to it could easily defeat China in a non kinetic war.    Everyone hates China.   Vietnam, Japan most South Koreans with balls, India.....   The Chinese soldiers were crying on the way to fight India and India pretty much won.   China was suffering bad under Trump, but they got a second life with the Biden administration.   Biden cannot do a thing against China. They  issue empty statements, probably preapproved by China. 
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Chester Jim on October 29, 2021, 02:18:46 am
If you want a look at atheism here is a quick look at its dark soul from another thread.

Have you been vaccinated jester? Has james o'keefe?

This npc would put someone in a gulag.   It's the same family.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: gogators! on October 29, 2021, 04:03:56 am
Wait what's this?
Wisconsin sheriff to reveal election fraud.  "Election law was not broke but shattered"

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/10/live-stream-video-wi-sheriff-schmaling-releases-video-democrats-stuffing-ballot-boxes-racine-wisconsin/

Also the if anything the Cyber Ninjas name should have you think that it was a bipartisan company.  Conservatives are no the geeky comic con types.   Nope that is the Barry Sotero aka Barak Hussein the anti white warrior Obama, or William Wilheim aka Bill De Blasio.   or Stephen Colbert, I change the last name name Pronunciation.  And Kamala can't even pronounce her own name consistently.

But again you lose so you result to ridicule and insults.
"he company has no experience in elections, and its CEO helped to spread “Stop the Steal” conspiracy theories in the run-up to the Capitol riot."

Nothing bipartisan here.

Hey boy, I mean LI. Why aren't you face checking these posts?
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: 745sticky on October 29, 2021, 07:55:53 am
If you want a look at atheism here is a quick look at its dark soul from another thread.

This npc would put someone in a gulag.   It's the same family.

this has to be some sort of parody account
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: tylerthegloob on October 29, 2021, 09:52:57 am
the peaceful protest where like 20 people were hospitalized and a couple died? i mean even if you say the police officer shouldn't have shot that woman or the trampled people don't count... it couldn't have been THAT peaceful
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on October 29, 2021, 11:40:27 am
the peaceful protest where like 20 people were hospitalized and a couple died? i mean even if you say the police officer shouldn't have shot that woman or the trampled people don't count... it couldn't have been THAT peaceful
It was a riot. Pure and simple. Calling it peaceful is the mirror idiocy of CNN with its "Fiery but mostly peaceful" tag.
Title: Re: TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!
Post by: Savant on October 29, 2021, 11:55:11 am
this has to be some sort of parody account

No, I think Chester is being serious. Dumb, for sure, but in his mind, quite serious. Or just trolling again after his hiatus.