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Title: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: thunderlips on October 22, 2020, 01:04:46 pm
I think the dem.’s would rather have the people suffer until after biden gets in. Just my two cents.

I voted no
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: 745sticky on October 22, 2020, 02:12:50 pm
There's no way the Dems are gonna let Trump shove a stimulus through before the election, as bad as it sounds that'd be a blatantly dumb move unless they have some way to really spin it (they don't)
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: hippo on October 22, 2020, 02:15:36 pm
https://youtu.be/gqPltMpWIwo (https://youtu.be/gqPltMpWIwo) who knew that Wolf Blitzer was capable of asking basic questions?

The last minute or two of this is excellent.  A lot of my friends in the States lost their jobs because of this.

My memory of him was mostly thinking of this Jeopardy appearance https://youtu.be/DVC28oemocA (https://youtu.be/DVC28oemocA).
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on October 22, 2020, 02:49:57 pm
There's no way the Dems are gonna let Trump shove a stimulus through before the election, as bad as it sounds that'd be a blatantly dumb move unless they have some way to really spin it (they don't)
Yeah, f*ck the people. What matters is defeating Orange Man!
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: MayorHaggar on October 22, 2020, 04:02:38 pm
A Biden win will surely result in more stimulus.

Trump and the GOP Senate sure as hell aren't going to pass any, even if Trump wins.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: Getsome on October 22, 2020, 10:13:39 pm
A Biden win will surely result in more stimulus.

Trump and the GOP Senate sure as hell aren't going to pass any, even if Trump wins.


Dam, you are so dumb.  That is not and has not been the case.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: Getsome on October 22, 2020, 10:23:08 pm
There's no way the Dems are gonna let Trump shove a stimulus through before the election, as bad as it sounds that'd be a blatantly dumb move unless they have some way to really spin it (they don't)


How would he "shove" it through?
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: 745sticky on October 23, 2020, 07:39:59 am

How would he "shove" it through?
Senate majority has got to be good for something, right  :undecided:
I guess if he really wanted to he could try an executive order? But I'm sure there'd be some legal complications that would get in the way of that, idk. Or they'd at least be able to delay its implementation. 
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: thunderlips on October 23, 2020, 07:51:33 am
If they really cared about it they could pass a stand alone bill just for the personal stimulus money. Again I think the Dems are demanding more in order to drag it out past the election.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: Don Hobak on October 23, 2020, 08:51:15 am
If they really cared about it they could pass a stand alone bill just for the personal stimulus money. Again I think the Dems are demanding more in order to drag it out past the election.

Do you have a link that shows how it’s the Democrats and not the republicans who are obstructing on this?

Big stimulus bills like this aren’t easily passed, and dems might see themselves as only having one shot at getting what they feel is adequate given the severity of the situation. Perhaps that explains to some extent why they wouldn’t go for a stand-alone bill?

As far as executive orders, didn’t Trump try one to little effect like a month ago? Presidents have little control over pocketbook issues.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: 745sticky on October 23, 2020, 08:55:51 am
As far as executive orders, didn’t Trump try one to little effect like a month ago? Presidents have little control over pocketbook issues.

Yeah, I don't expect he'd actually get anywhere with it, but at least he could make a whole song and dance of unveiling it then when it inevitably goes nowhere say "well I tried but lousy Democrat obstructionists blah blah" or whatever
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: thunderlips on October 23, 2020, 09:31:56 am
Do you have a link that shows how it’s the Democrats and not the republicans who are obstructing on this?

Big stimulus bills like this aren’t easily passed, and dems might see themselves as only having one shot at getting what they feel is adequate given the severity of the situation. Perhaps that explains to some extent why they wouldn’t go for a stand-alone bill?

As far as executive orders, didn’t Trump try one to little effect like a month ago? Presidents have little control over pocketbook issues.

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Heading into the phone call, the sides had narrowed their target for an overall relief price tag: the White House increased its offer to nearly $1.9 trillion, short of the $2.2 trillion legislation House Democrats passed earlier this month. After a Monday afternoon conversation between the pair, Hammill, Pelosi ’s spokesman, said the speaker had tasked House committee chairs with resolving remaining disputes over issues including a national testing strategy, an expansion of tax credits, and relief for state and local governments.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/20/coronavirus-stimulus-update-pelosi-says-relief-deal-with-mnuchin-getting-closer.html
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: Don Hobak on October 23, 2020, 09:58:02 am
If the dems were really just playing politics on this, wouldn’t they agree to something, however imperfect, before the election and let it the senate republicans take the blame for not passing it? They still oppose another stimulus despite the president’s push for one.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/20/us/politics/mcconnell-pelosi-stimulus-deal.html
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: thunderlips on October 23, 2020, 10:25:26 am
If the dems were really just playing politics on this, wouldn’t they agree to something, however imperfect, before the election and let it the senate republicans take the blame for not passing it? They still oppose another stimulus despite the president’s push for one.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/20/us/politics/mcconnell-pelosi-stimulus-deal.html

I believe the senate repub's had a bill that helped small businesses but no mention of individual bailouts. But both sides are playing politics. Otherwise, what would the news report? Everyone got along fine on "Capitol Hill today".
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: Don Hobak on October 23, 2020, 11:11:20 am
I see. I thought your original post was more concerned with payouts to individuals than business bailouts.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: thunderlips on October 23, 2020, 11:29:51 am
https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/10/22/trump-congress-coronavirus-bailout/  This gives a little more info on what the gopers aren't thrilled about.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: Getsome on October 23, 2020, 11:05:55 pm
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Stimulus Package Unlikely to Clear Congress Before Election: Goldman Sachs
BY TOM OZIMEK October 21, 2020 Updated: October 21, 2020 Print
Analysts at investment bank Goldman Sachs said in a note to clients that, while it’s possible a CCP virus relief package will be adopted by Congress before Election Day, the prospect of that happening is unlikely as key issues remain unresolved.

While Republicans and Democrats mostly agree that another stimulus measure is necessary to boost the economy following months of pandemic-induced lockdowns and stay-at-home orders, the two sides have disagreed over the size of the bill and specific measures, with sticking points that include aid to state and local governments, the amount federal unemployment benefits, and business liability protections.

Goldman economist Alec Phillips was cited by CNBC as saying in a note that “some of the biggest issues remain unresolved and a deal doesn’t seem particularly close.”

“With big differences and little time, it seems unlikely that Pelosi and Mnuchin will reach a deal before the election. More importantly, even if a deal in principle is announced in coming days—this seems possible, but not likely—it looks very unlikely that it would pass before Election Day,” Phillips added.

The note comes as While White House chief of staff Mark Meadows told Fox News on Wednesday that he is optimistic a relief deal can be hammered out soon, noting that negotiations between House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin have made progress.

“The last 24 hours have moved the ball down the field,” Meadows told the outlet, adding that a shared goal by both sides is to reach “some kind of deal in the next 48 hours or so.”

Meadows elaborated that “the negotiations have entered a new phase, which is more on the technical side of trying to get the language right if we can agree on the numbers.”

The two are scheduled to speak again on Wednesday afternoon, according to Pelosi’s spokesman Drew Hammill. Following talks on Tuesday afternoon, Pelosi said in a letter that her conversations with Mnuchin “provided more clarity and common ground as we move closer to an agreement.”

“Today’s deadline enabled us to see that decisions could be reached and language could be exchanged, demonstrating that both sides are serious about finding a compromise,” Pelosi said.

Senate Republicans, meanwhile, are slated to vote on their own, smaller and more targeted relief package on Wednesday, reported to be worth around $500 billion.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has been reluctant to adopt another big relief bill, but on Tuesday said that if a bipartisan deal is reached, he would bring it up for a vote on the Senate floor.

The White House insists that an agreement between Pelosi and Mnuchin would find enough votes for passage in the Senate, where Republicans hold a 53-47 majority.

“I believe there would be enough votes there to make sure that we get that across the finish line and to the president’s desk. Again, the focus on Senate Republicans right now, whether the votes would be there or not, is misplaced,” Meadows told reporters.

President Donald Trump has repeatedly called for decisive action as negotiations on the package have stalled. The president has upped his offer to $1.8 trillion or more and insisted Monday that “the Republicans will come along” if a bipartisan deal is hammered out.

Jack Phillips contributed to this report.

Follow Tom on Twitter: @OZImekTOM

Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: gogators! on October 23, 2020, 11:29:45 pm

Dam, you are so dumb.  That is not and has not been the case.
Damn, you're wrong again.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: gogators! on October 23, 2020, 11:33:24 pm
Tow big hold-ups. One is gop conservative caucus members, along with meadows, opposing any more stimulus on ideological grounds. The second is disagreement over where the stimulus will go, with trump asking for great discretion in where lots of the money would go.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: Mr C on October 24, 2020, 12:00:48 am

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Senate Republicans, meanwhile, are slated to vote on their own, smaller and more targeted relief package on Wednesday, reported to be worth around $500 billion.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has been reluctant to adopt another big relief bill, but on Tuesday said that if a bipartisan deal is reached, he would bring it up for a vote on the Senate floor.

The White House insists that an agreement between Pelosi and Mnuchin would find enough votes for passage in the Senate, where Republicans hold a 53-47 majority.

And Trump is blathering about 1.8 trillion, whereas the GOP Senate can't get past 500 bln.

But somehow Pelosi is the problem ...
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: VanIslander on October 24, 2020, 12:18:23 am
Back in the 1970's Republicans howled that the $23 a month cheque the Canadian gov't gave to families for each child they had was SOCIALISM!

Now, Americans of all political stripes are turning to their gov't, palms open, looking for a handout.

Times have changed.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: Getsome on October 24, 2020, 12:29:20 am
Back in the 1970's Republicans howled that the $23 a month cheque the Canadian gov't gave to families for each child they had was SOCIALISM!

Now, Americans of all political stripes are turning to their gov't, palms open, looking for a handout.

Times have changed.

...for a "moderator" you sure do take sides.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: VanIslander on October 24, 2020, 01:07:14 am
...for a "moderator" you sure do take sides.
I said "of all political stripes".

I made an observation from my childhood.

I don't get into partisan party debates around here.

All kinds of people are calling for the gov't to give them cash. This used to be a Canadian thing. It is becoming an American thing too. That's my point.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: thunderlips on October 24, 2020, 05:53:38 am
Back in the 1970's Republicans howled that the $23 a month cheque the Canadian gov't gave to families for each child they had was SOCIALISM!

Now, Americans of all political stripes are turning to their gov't, palms open, looking for a handout.

Times have changed.

I peep think any government subsidies should go to those that need it.  But that has nothing to do with the poll. Have you been to America recently? The government has shit many people out of the opportunity to warn a living. People are literally starving and facing homelessness. Yes I think the government should help those people.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: L I on October 24, 2020, 06:30:18 am
People are literally starving

Disagree. It is the opposite - obesity - which is killing them. It's easy to get food as a non-working (by choice!) poor person in America. First from the government, then from private charity. If anyone starved it'd be all over the news. But even mentally ill drug addicts survive. The US is not Sub-Saharan Africa (which incidentally has less and less starvation these days as the world gets better).
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: L I on October 24, 2020, 06:38:04 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHoiVnID8vY
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: MayorHaggar on October 24, 2020, 08:13:41 am
Oh man quit with the damn John Stossel propaganda LI, nobody cares. Republicans complain about homelessness all the time, but they're the ones who created it. I'm sure all the usual suspects will now insist until they're blue in the face that destroying the social safety net and putting poor people in jail doesn't lead to homelessness, because "liberals bad."
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: thunderlips on October 24, 2020, 09:50:29 am
Disagree. It is the opposite - obesity - which is killing them. It's easy to get food as a non-working (by choice!) poor person in America. First from the government, then from private charity. If anyone starved it'd be all over the news. But even mentally ill drug addicts survive. The US is not Sub-Saharan Africa (which incidentally has less and less starvation these days as the world gets better).

https://www.feedingamerica.org/about-us/press-room/new-data

According to USDA, more than 41 million Americans face hunger, including nearly 13 million children. Some of the groups experiencing the highest rates of food insecurity include households with children led by single women and people living below the poverty level. In addition, about a quarter of food-insecure households report incomes that make them ineligible for any form of federal food assistance.

Try google LI
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on October 24, 2020, 09:51:27 am
Oh man quit with the damn John Stossel propaganda LI, nobody cares. Republicans complain about homelessness all the time, but they're the ones who created it. I'm sure all the usual suspects will now insist until they're blue in the face that destroying the social safety net and putting poor people in jail doesn't lead to homelessness, because "liberals bad."
Republicans created homelessness? There wasn't any homelessness before the Republican Party appeared at the end of the Antebellum period?
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: Mr C on October 24, 2020, 10:14:02 am
Republicans created homelessness? There wasn't any homelessness before the Republican Party appeared at the end of the Antebellum period?

Well, homelessness is a complex problem, but it's fair to say conservative policies in the 70s and 80s made it dramatically worse in the US.  The Reagan administration shut down government operated asylums across the country, and state and community mental health programs couldn't pick up the slack.  No one knows precise numbers, but 200,000 or so mentally ill people ended up on the streets within a year.  By the mid-eighties, around half of the homeless population were seriously  mentally ill.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: L I on October 24, 2020, 12:31:38 pm
People say they are hungry and want more food; meanwhile they are grossly overweight.

When I was a kid I volunteered at a food bank; I was shocked by how fat the people picking up the free food were. I thought, “Why am I doing this?” After the shift was over I never went back.

Does lack of a safety net cause poverty and cause homelessness? I don’t think so, because look at South Korea, a capitalist society with historically small government. So how were/are people able to function? One reason is Koreans don’t have loads of kids they can’t take care of. Out of wedlock births are considered shameful and won’t result in a big government welfare check, thus are extremely rare. Not many single mothers in Korea.

What about homelessness? Where do mentally ill people in Korea live? I guess with their parents? But in America they are eventually kicked out of the house if they get caught stealing from the family too many times?
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: thunderlips on October 24, 2020, 12:59:21 pm
People say they are hungry and want more food; meanwhile they are grossly overweight.

When I was a kid I volunteered at a food bank; I was shocked by how fat the people picking up the free food were. I thought, “Why am I doing this?” After the shift was over I never went back.

Does lack of a safety net cause poverty and cause homelessness? I don’t think so, because look at South Korea, a capitalist society with historically small government. So how were/are people able to function? One reason is Koreans don’t have loads of kids they can’t take care of. Out of wedlock births are considered shameful and won’t result in a big government welfare check, thus are extremely rare. Not many single mothers in Korea.

What about homelessness? Where do mentally ill people in Korea live? I guess with their parents? But in America they are eventually kicked out of the house if they get caught stealing from the family too many times?

Your ignorance is astounding and comical. Korea has one of the biggest safety nets for young children and pregnant women. Probably close to 10 million won up till they are 6 western age. Keep drinking your kook aid though.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: L I on October 24, 2020, 01:11:47 pm
Is it a safety net? It’s a very recent policy to encourage more babies because the birth rate is so low. (Lowest in the world.) More government welfare money = more babies being born. But the U.S. doesn’t have nearly as low a birth rate and is not in need of more people. The welfare money (which is higher than the welfare money given in Korea) is done out of a place of good intentions. But the unintended consequence is people who shouldn’t be reproducing have more kids, which perpetuates the cycle of poverty.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: MayorHaggar on October 25, 2020, 04:41:18 am
People say they are hungry and want more food; meanwhile they are grossly overweight.

When I was a kid I volunteered at a food bank; I was shocked by how fat the people picking up the free food were. I thought, “Why am I doing this?” After the shift was over I never went back.

Does lack of a safety net cause poverty and cause homelessness? I don’t think so, because look at South Korea, a capitalist society with historically small government. So how were/are people able to function? One reason is Koreans don’t have loads of kids they can’t take care of. Out of wedlock births are considered shameful and won’t result in a big government welfare check, thus are extremely rare. Not many single mothers in Korea.

What about homelessness? Where do mentally ill people in Korea live? I guess with their parents? But in America they are eventually kicked out of the house if they get caught stealing from the family too many times?

South Koreans tend to commit suicide when they hit bad financial times, because there isn't really any safety net. Not really a system to emulate.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: Mr C on October 25, 2020, 11:35:49 am
People say they are hungry and want more food; meanwhile they are grossly overweight.

When I was a kid I volunteered at a food bank; I was shocked by how fat the people picking up the free food were. I thought, “Why am I doing this?” After the shift was over I never went back.

As "a kid" I can understand you may have been ignorant, but as an adult, I find your lack of empathy and unwillingness to learn to be quite sad.

Had you bothered, you could have learned about (or indeed still can) the relationship between food insecurity and obesity.  A few examples include the "feast or famine" phenomenon which  contributes to weight gain, the metabolic changes that cause fat storage,  lack of full-service grocery stores and thereby lack of access to high-quality foods, fruits and vegetables, in low-income communities, since lack of dependable transportation is a hallmark of the impoverished.  They often can only shop at convenience stories where fresh produce and low-fat items are few and far between.  And of course, limited access to health care. 

But yeah, I'm sure the food bank you were at was just lazy fat people.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: L I on October 25, 2020, 12:12:54 pm
If fat people eat less food they won't be fat anymore. What's keeping them overweight is consuming too many calories daily. Fasting is actually healthy but it's freaking hard to do; it takes willpower.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: Mr C on October 25, 2020, 12:28:31 pm
If fat people eat less food they won't be fat anymore. What's keeping them overweight is consuming too many calories daily. Fasting is actually healthy but it's freaking hard to do; it takes willpower.
Since after all a complicated issue like the relationship between food insecurity and obesity comes down to you stating something everyone knows but just didn’t know hard enough .
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: hangook77 on October 26, 2020, 01:40:05 pm
I said "of all political stripes".

I made an observation from my childhood.

I don't get into partisan party debates around here.

All kinds of people are calling for the gov't to give them cash. This used to be a Canadian thing. It is becoming an American thing too. That's my point.

America use to have lots of good paying middle class jobs and folks didn't need to get them.  Then, the jobs got shipped overseas and most folks work lower paying jobs with a hand to mouth existence.  Folks always turn to socialism eventually under those cases or they vote for a leader who will bring back the jobs and do something about it. 
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: hangook77 on October 26, 2020, 01:46:55 pm
If fat people eat less food they won't be fat anymore. What's keeping them overweight is consuming too many calories daily. Fasting is actually healthy but it's freaking hard to do; it takes willpower.

Healthy and organic food is expensive.  Kraft dinner on the other hand use to be 99 cents a box.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: L I on October 26, 2020, 03:16:30 pm
How about eating no food at all for a bit? It's the cheapest option - free! - and great for weight loss.

An overweight body is sustained by the over consumption of calories every day.

Eating less calories is cheaper.

Eating more costs more money and is worse for the environment.

It is possible to get healthy food at a low cost.

But unhealthy food tastes better and/or is more convenient due to less prep. 

I saw a TV show about how many calories overweight people eat per day. It's A LOT.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: oglop on October 26, 2020, 05:53:22 pm
How about eating no food at all for a bit? It's the cheapest option - free! - and great for weight loss.

An overweight body is sustained by the over consumption of calories every day.

Eating less calories is cheaper.

Eating more costs more money and is worse for the environment.

It is possible to get healthy food at a low cost.

But unhealthy food tastes better and/or is more convenient due to less prep. 

I saw a TV show about how many calories overweight people eat per day. It's A LOT.
for god sake will you just give it a ****** rest
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: hippo on October 26, 2020, 06:06:32 pm
How about eating no food at all for a bit? It's the cheapest option - free! - and great for weight loss.

An overweight body is sustained by the over consumption of calories every day.

Eating less calories is cheaper.

Eating more costs more money and is worse for the environment.

It is possible to get healthy food at a low cost.

But unhealthy food tastes better and/or is more convenient due to less prep. 

I saw a TV show about how many calories overweight people eat per day. It's A LOT.

Is this a modest proposal or are you for real?
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: L I on October 26, 2020, 06:08:18 pm
I'm being serious. Fasting improves blood markers. Reduces the risk of cancer. Reverses diabetes.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: Mr C on October 26, 2020, 09:09:30 pm
Is this a modest proposal or are you for real?
Well what he says is NOT real, but he REALLY believes it.

along with unicorns, John Stossel and Jeff Bezos is good for the world. 
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: Kyndo on October 27, 2020, 07:16:25 am
Is this a modest proposal or are you for real?

Just in case any of you illiterates missed the allusion:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal
 :azn:
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: 745sticky on October 27, 2020, 07:50:05 am
It is possible to get healthy food at a low cost.

It isn't possible for everyone. Other human experiences exist outside your own
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: tylerthegloob on October 27, 2020, 07:55:00 am
thanks for that kyndo, i'm still learning how to readno but really thanks for that, it was a dope reference but it went right over my head  :azn:
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: L I on October 27, 2020, 08:10:00 am
The healthiest diets cost about $1.50 more per day than the least healthy diets, according to new research from Harvard School of Public Health.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/healthy-vs-unhealthy-diet-costs-1-50-more/

A dollar a day isn't that much money. Not an insurmountable amount to get. $1.00 can make big progress; $1.50 can take one all the way from least healthy to most healthy.

But this was comparing equal calorie amounts. Which is more costly: 2,000 calories a day of healthy food or 5,000 calories a day of junk food? It's the latter for sure.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: tylerthegloob on October 27, 2020, 08:22:41 am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_desert
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: L I on October 27, 2020, 08:28:46 am
Capitalism works through supply and demand. Customers don't want healthy food, rather preferring junk food, and that's what the stores will stock. We need more education about nutrition for poorer folk, and Americans in general.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: 745sticky on October 27, 2020, 08:45:20 am
The healthiest diets cost about $1.50 more per day than the least healthy diets, according to new research from Harvard School of Public Health.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/healthy-vs-unhealthy-diet-costs-1-50-more/

A dollar a day isn't that much money. Not an insurmountable amount to get. $1.00 can make big progress; $1.50 can take one all the way from least healthy to most healthy.

But this was comparing equal calorie amounts. Which is more costly: 2,000 calories a day of healthy food or 5,000 calories a day of junk food? It's the latter for sure.

To address this question, the HSPH researchers conducted a meta-analysis of 27 existing studies from 10 high-income countries

Capitalism works through supply and demand. Customers don't want healthy food, rather preferring junk food, and that's what the stores will stock. We need more education about nutrition for poorer folk, and Americans in general.

You would know this is wrong if you'd actually bothered to read the article.

Food deserts tend to be inhabited by low-income residents with reduced mobility; this makes them a less attractive market for large supermarket chains.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: Kyndo on October 27, 2020, 08:50:13 am
Capitalism works through supply and demand. Customers don't want healthy food, rather preferring junk food, and that's what the stores will stock. We need more education about nutrition for poorer folk, and Americans in general.
You're not wrong. Education is key to understanding the long term impacts of shovelling crap into your body.
 ...Buuuuuuut there are also socio-economic factors that play into the North American obesity crisis which you seem intent on downplaying. One's economic status determine things other than just whether one can afford buying the food.

For example, a single mother holding 2 jobs is not going to have the time or energy to prepare nutritious meals. They'll be far more likely to stuff a frozen dinner in the microwave.
   Likewise, supermarkets are few and far between in poor neighbourhoods, and if you don't have a car, hauling 3 bags of produce 500 metres gets old really quick, especially when you can just pop over to the convenience store (which cater to those of low economic status) down the block and load up on delicious poison.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: thunderlips on October 27, 2020, 09:17:09 am
21 million filed unemployment in may 2020, 12 million lost employer issued health insurance.

The long term impacts on employment and housing market will be severe.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: L I on October 27, 2020, 11:27:23 am
You would know this is wrong if you'd actually bothered to read the article.

Food deserts tend to be inhabited by low-income residents with reduced mobility; this makes them a less attractive market for large supermarket chains.

Except that line is not even in the article I posted. (Oh, the irony!) It comes from a leftist Christian magazine, sourced on Wikipedia. What does that even mean? The neighborhood residents have reduced mobility, therefore large supermarket chains don't want to set up shop there? More likely it's because they don't want to robbed, looted, and burned down during Black Lives Matter riots. That's sad for the poor folk living there; I do feel for them.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: L I on October 27, 2020, 11:33:27 am
he REALLY believes it.

along with unicorns, John Stossel and Jeff Bezos is good for the world. 

Whose side should I take in this video: Stossel or Bezos?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wJXOQ9fUIdA
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: MayorHaggar on October 27, 2020, 12:17:23 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWB6hGIA9sw
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: 745sticky on October 27, 2020, 12:21:32 pm
Except that line is not even in the article I posted.
...which wasn't the article I was referring to? And, judging by your response, you seem to have figured that out, so I'm not sure why you felt the need to put this bit of irrelevant snark in here. 

It comes from a leftist Christian magazine, sourced on Wikipedia. What does that even mean? The neighborhood residents have reduced mobility, therefore large supermarket chains don't want to set up shop there?
Yes, good job.

More likely it's because they don't want to robbed, looted, and burned down during Black Lives Matter riots. That's sad for the poor folk living there; I do feel for them.
No.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: fka on October 27, 2020, 12:50:17 pm
Quote
Except that line is not even in the article I posted. (Oh, the irony!) It comes from a leftist Christian magazine, sourced on Wikipedia.

Maybe this will be more helpful for you, then:

https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/food-access-research-atlas/go-to-the-atlas.aspx (https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/food-access-research-atlas/go-to-the-atlas.aspx)

You can see how low-income and low-access tracts map directly onto each other.

Or this (using 2010 census data):

https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/publications/45032/33844_err143_summary.pdf?v=8978.6 (https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/publications/45032/33844_err143_summary.pdf?v=8978.6)

Quote
In 2010, 29.7 million people, or 9.7 percent of the population, lived in low-income areas (½ kilometer-square grids
where more than 40 percent of the population has income at or below 200 percent of Federal poverty thresholds for
family size) more than 1 mile from a supermarket, up from 23.5 million, or 8.4 percent, in 2006.

Or maybe the old conservative position that it's all a question of moral failure is more likely than a complex interplay of geographic, social and economic factors. I pray for an intrepid hero like John Stossel to find out.

Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: L I on October 27, 2020, 01:18:38 pm
The goal of business is to make money. So why not have a store in an area with a lot of people, especially with supposedly many lacking the mobility to go elsewhere? Seems like one could corner the only healthy food around market if people there want healthy food. But business people are too afraid of dying in a shooting? It’s not a matter of people there are unable to afford healthy food (therefore that food doesn’t come) in my opinion. Can anyone explain why big supermarkets aren’t in low income inner city areas? Gotta be a reason.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: Kyndo on October 27, 2020, 01:34:06 pm
One contributing factor would be because those poor mobility-lacking people lack mobility because they are poor. Poor people don't buy high profit-margin items. Stores need to maximize profits, which is why the research departments of large franchises pour in an incredible amount of effort to figure out where their target demographics are and aren't.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: L I on October 27, 2020, 01:41:43 pm
Seems like the more ghetto an area, the cheaper the land on which to build a store. But the higher risk of crime scares people away - customers from other areas wouldn’t want to go into that neighborhood. (Some at least.)

I do see your point.

Why so many liquor stores in those areas?

People there drink a lot.

But I think low income people aren’t malnourished.

Kids from those areas grow up bigger and stronger than others. They really excel in sports. Good genetics I guess.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: fka on October 27, 2020, 01:50:21 pm
Seems like you didn't look at the map and see all the rural areas that are also low income, low access. Bad genetics, I guess.

Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: L I on October 27, 2020, 01:57:54 pm
Rural or urban, Americans aren’t starving to death, as was earlier claimed. They have sufficient calories to grow. Americans are way bigger than the world average. Partly genetic, partly due to not being malnourished. Most of the world is Asian. Put a random Asian next to a random American. Or a random low income American. Who would win in a fight?
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: Kyndo on October 27, 2020, 02:02:40 pm
Kids from those areas grow up bigger and stronger than others. They really excel in sports. Good genetics I guess.
Causation/correlation blooper there, LI.
In many cases, low income people have literally no other avenue to escape their socio-economic environment except through sports.
Also, one ought to be careful with bringing genetics into this conversation, as it might be misconstrued as promoting eugenics.


Put a random Asian next to a random American. Or a random low income American. Who would win in a fight?
wtf, LI.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: L I on October 27, 2020, 02:06:27 pm
I don’t believe Americans don’t get enough food to eat. Other countries, yes definitely. But poor Americans live very well compared to poor in third world countries. In terms of having their needs met. But the downside is the bad environment they grow up in. Not enough good influences around them. Also, danger from crime.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: tylerthegloob on October 27, 2020, 02:07:11 pm
for god sake will you just give it a ****** rest

i felt you a page ago oglop, i'm feeling it even harder rn
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: L I on October 27, 2020, 02:12:34 pm
Causation/correlation blooper there, LI.
In many cases, low income people have literally no other avenue to escape their socio-economic environment except through sports.

But a person in Indian slums would be even more desperate ... yet they ain’t gonna make the NFL or NBA ... due to genetics. (Also, malnutrition may have stunted their growth I guess.)

Genetics matter more than anything else for excelling in sports. A person can practice all they want but it they aren’t genetically gifted they won’t be turning pro. Facts.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: Kyndo on October 27, 2020, 02:21:52 pm
Because the NBA doesn't recruit from the slums of Mumbai. Cricket aint no golden ticket, as the old saying goes. That avenue is a very American one.
And *of course* genetics matter in sports. lol.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: 745sticky on October 27, 2020, 03:01:11 pm
I don’t believe Americans don’t get enough food to eat. Other countries, yes definitely. But poor Americans live very well compared to poor in third world countries. In terms of having their needs met. But the downside is the bad environment they grow up in. Not enough good influences around them. Also, danger from crime.

A lot of Americans don't get enough healthy food to eat. Eating instant ramen 7 days a week might keep you away from caloric deficiency but it's still not doing your body any favors.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: Mr C on October 27, 2020, 03:22:06 pm
Whose side should I take in this video: Stossel or Bezos?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wJXOQ9fUIdA


No one said you aren't full of contradictions.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: L I on October 27, 2020, 03:32:41 pm
So what’s the answer to the question?

Jeff Bezos raised Amazon’s minimum wage to $15 an hour then encouraged others to do the same.

Was it to gain a competitive advantage?

Or just that he’s a nice person?

Honestly I’m not sure.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: CO2 on October 27, 2020, 03:32:52 pm
Yes, because all anyone has been calling him is the "Money Grubbing Billionaire Who Pays His Employees Shit" for the last two years.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: oglop on October 27, 2020, 05:35:05 pm
"man hoarding the most wealth any human has ever had in the history of the planet sightly raises wages of his under-earning employees".

yeah, he's just doing it cos he's nice
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: Don Hobak on October 27, 2020, 05:50:48 pm
A lot of Americans don't get enough healthy food to eat. Eating instant ramen 7 days a week might keep you away from caloric deficiency but it's still not doing your body any favors.

You hardly live in a food desert Sticky.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on October 27, 2020, 05:56:32 pm
"man hoarding the most wealth any human has ever had in the history of the planet sightly raises wages of his under-earning employees".

yeah, he's just doing it cos he's nice
What % of his wealth is actual liquid assets and not just valuation of various business holdings that employ people?
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: oglop on October 27, 2020, 06:00:06 pm
ah, you're right. guess he doesn't have any money to afford to pay his workers a living wage
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: L I on October 27, 2020, 06:07:06 pm
What is a living wage? The workers are living, aren’t they? So how are they not being paid a living wage? Living wage means enough money to live a luxurious life?
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: L I on October 27, 2020, 06:15:04 pm
$15 an hour = $600 a week = $2,610 a month = $31,320 a year = $35.3 million won. Almost 3 million won a month. 2.95 mil. It’s a decent starting salary.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: oglop on October 27, 2020, 07:19:23 pm
yes, after years of attacks from politicians and...pretty much everyone -- while bezos made how many billions? -- they finally put the wage up to $15

Quote
Amazon is likely betting, however, that increasing pay will do more than just alleviate pressure from lawmakers and activists who want the retail giant to improve its working conditions. In the coming months, the company will need to attract 100,000 seasonal employees in the US and once again try to dominate the holiday shopping season. It has to accomplish those tasks in an extremely tight US labor market—the unemployment rate recently dipped below 4 percent—where few people are looking for jobs. Wage hikes like Amazon’s have historically occurred in similar economies."

https://www.wired.com/story/why-amazon-really-raised-minimum-wage/

nah, can't be something like this. bezos is clearly doing it because he's such a wonderful person.

why are americans (like L I) always trying to suck the teet of their billionaire overlords?
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: Don Hobak on October 27, 2020, 10:39:29 pm
why are americans (like L I) always trying to suck the teet of their billionaire overlords?

And there’s the crux of the matter innit

Why is it whenever I listen to the radio and the BBC News World Service happens to come on, the US contributors they choose to consult with concerning whatever silly twist in American politics or quirky Americans fluff non-story are always some rando, nobody analyst saying the most tired and trite bullshit, and tripping over their own words while doing so? I see a few possibilities:

1) The analysts are actually better spoken than they come across, but some combination of accent, phone line static, time zone difference, and cultural miscues throw them off enough to sound like they were randomly pulled off the street for an impromptu interview.

2) The BBC can’t book the well-spoken analysts.

3) The BBC doesn’t know who the respectable analysts might be or what they might sound like.

4) The BBC doesn’t care who they put on as long as they can blather through the allotted minute and a half.

5) The BBC purposefully screens for bumbling American analysts because it conforms to both their and their listeners’ prejudices.

I think it’s obvious which of these options I find most convincing.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: L I on October 28, 2020, 05:15:55 am
Jeff Bezos made a great company that improved our lives. (Have you never ordered from Amazon?) He earned his money. He doesn’t owe you anything. You who hate him do so out of jealousy. (Or maybe ignorance.) He’s not an overlord. His success does not hurt you; in fact, the opposite is true.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rv0VKl_jwwI
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: 745sticky on October 28, 2020, 07:57:03 am
Jeff Bezos made a great company that improved our lives. (Have you never ordered from Amazon?) He earned his money. He doesn’t owe you anything. You who hate him do so out of jealousy. (Or maybe ignorance.) He’s not an overlord. His success does not hurt you; in fact, the opposite is true.

Why won't he let his workers unionize? Why won't he pay his workers a living wage?
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: tylerthegloob on October 28, 2020, 08:21:17 am
i wish my daddy gave me 300k to start a business
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: 745sticky on October 28, 2020, 08:27:13 am
i wish my daddy gave me 300k to start a business

He worked hard to get that 300k, being the first sperm to the egg or whatever
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: L I on October 28, 2020, 08:55:26 am
He was valedictorian. He studied engineering and computer science at Princeton. Similar life story? No? Then it’s gonna be hard to get anyone to invest money into your business idea. The risk of it failing is too high.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: L I on October 28, 2020, 08:59:31 am
Bezos is way smarter than anyone reading this. Also way more hard working. However, his Cuban immigrant father who raised him successfully studied to become an engineer, which gave him a big advantage in life.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: 745sticky on October 28, 2020, 09:45:58 am
Bezos is way smarter than anyone reading this.

I am smarter than Jeff Bezos
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: Don Hobak on October 28, 2020, 10:12:47 am
I am smarter than Jeff Bezos

Are you tougher than Jeff Bezos?

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/NINTCHDBPICT000460736247-e1547213482707.jpg)

Are you sexier than Jeff Bezos?

(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/01/14/business/14BEZOS-1/00BEZOS-1-superJumbo.jpg)
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: oglop on October 28, 2020, 10:27:53 am
Bezos is way smarter than anyone reading this. Also way more hard working. However, his Cuban immigrant father who raised him successfully studied to become an engineer, which gave him a big advantage in life.
sounds like somebody has a crush
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: Kyndo on October 28, 2020, 10:33:22 am
Are you sexier than Jeff Bezos?

(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/01/14/business/14BEZOS-1/00BEZOS-1-superJumbo.jpg)
I'm pretty sure that's Mr. Clean just chillin' after wiping down those windows.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: stoat on October 28, 2020, 11:59:48 am
All the money in the world still can't buy him a full head of hair. :(
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: 745sticky on October 28, 2020, 12:01:58 pm
Are you tougher than Jeff Bezos?



Are you sexier than Jeff Bezos?



Tougher no.
Sexier also no. Even if the dude looked like Danny DeVito I still couldn't compete with the net worth.

It always struck me as weird that people here see Mark Zuckerberg as the Ultimate American when the dude doesn't even look like he's from this planet
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: tylerthegloob on October 28, 2020, 12:15:40 pm
i thought donald trump was the ultimate american? i mean... before all of this. back when it was funny
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: 745sticky on October 28, 2020, 02:04:10 pm
i thought donald trump was the ultimate american? i mean... before all of this. back when it was funny

Perhaps in ye olde days, but in my personal experience I hear Zucc's name thrown around a lot
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: tylerthegloob on October 28, 2020, 02:15:50 pm
damn that sucks. zucc is super lame. if the ultimate american is super lame what does that say about the everyman?
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: L I on October 29, 2020, 02:01:42 am
How is he super lame? He’s giving away most of his wealth to charity. Those billions of dollars will help the world big time.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: L I on October 29, 2020, 02:10:48 am
Since 2008, Americans have named Barack Obama as the man they most admire.

When people around the world were asked this question, it’s been Bill Gates from 2014 onward, but in 2020 Barack Obama retook the top spot (due to false conspiracy theories being spread about Bill Gates).

So there’s your answer to who the ultimate American is - Barack Obama, the most admired man in the world. (The most admired woman in the world is Michelle Obama.)
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: tylerthegloob on October 29, 2020, 07:37:56 am
yeah, but obama is cool. im happy with obama being considered the ultimate american. but zucc? zucc isn't cool. i couldnt explain it to you if i tried
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: waygo0k on October 29, 2020, 08:09:41 am
Bezos is way smarter than anyone reading this. Also way more hard working. However, his Cuban immigrant father who raised him successfully studied to become an engineer, which gave him a big advantage in life.

Papi Bezos "invested" 250-300k in son's business...smart Jeff could've just gone to a bank instead of relying on handouts from mum and dad.

Bezos's maternal grandfather was Lawrence Preston Gise, a regional director of the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission (AEC) in Albuquerque. Gise retired early to his family's ranch near Cotulla, Texas, where Bezos would spend many summers in his youth. Bezos would later purchase this ranch and expand it from 25,000 acres (10,117 ha) to 300,000 acres (121,406 ha). - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Bezos

Whaaaaaaaa????? Grandpapi Bezos was a high ranking government official with connections, a ton of land and even got to retire early to teach smart Jeff some life and business lessons????

Bootstraps 101!
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: 745sticky on October 29, 2020, 09:16:06 am
How is he super lame? He’s giving away most of his wealth to charity. Those billions of dollars will help the world big time.

He could give away a lot more.

If people like Gates, Zucc, Bezos, etc. all got together and decided to actually use their money maybe the world could get somewhere, instead they throw us some scraps while hoarding the rest of it like dragons. Why any single person needs a billion (much less upwards of 100 billion) is beyond me
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: thunderlips on October 29, 2020, 09:22:29 am
(https://i.imgflip.com/4k86sr.jpg)
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: Don Hobak on October 29, 2020, 12:18:41 pm
They’ve still got four days. I’m sure it’s on top of their agenda. Why do you think the Senate was anxious to get that silly Supreme Court Justice business out of the way so quickly.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: 745sticky on October 29, 2020, 01:16:00 pm
Mitch McConnell adjourned the senate until Nov. 9th. Nothing is getting passed before the election
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: gogators! on October 30, 2020, 01:26:25 am
sleepy Joe will get it done. Vote Democrat!
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: oglop on October 31, 2020, 09:53:46 am
Jeff Bezos made a great company that improved our lives. (Have you never ordered from Amazon?) He earned his money. He doesn’t owe you anything. You who hate him do so out of jealousy. (Or maybe ignorance.) He’s not an overlord. His success does not hurt you; in fact, the opposite is true.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rv0VKl_jwwI

(https://i.ibb.co/9cCNZLP/bb39939.png)

Yet workers had to fight for years for a measly wage increase. I guess he just doesn't have enough money yet
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: L I on November 01, 2020, 05:34:42 am
How’d Bezos get so rich? During the pandemic Americans were flush with cash and bored so they ordered a lot of stuff from Amazon.

$15 an hour minimum starting wage for an unskilled job is not bad.

It was boosted to $17 an hour during the pandemic with double overtime pay to those who wanted it.

Hell, that’s more than public school NETs in Korea make in a job that requires a degree.

People choose to work for Amazon because it’s the best deal for them given their skill set.

What if the next time you brag about how much you make teaching you’re told you should give money to someone who has less? You probably wouldn’t like it.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: Kyndo on November 01, 2020, 07:44:08 am
I don't know about you LI, but most NETs who've been working here for a while make around 35,000 won (31 USD) per teaching hour.
Also, as I have a grub, I know exactly what it feels like to give money to those who earn less than I do.  :smiley: ...  :sad:
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: L I on November 01, 2020, 09:31:03 am
How much are the Amazon workers who have been there for a while making? Still the starting wage? If no, then a better comparison would be starting wage vs. starting wage.

$17 an hour is 3.4 million per month.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: L I on November 01, 2020, 09:44:49 am
Also, it’s a bit disingenuous to say per teaching hour.

That’s like the university teachers who brag about working only 15 hours a week.

Do they do no prep, just walk into the classroom and wing it?

An elementary NET could one up them by saying, “I only work 14.67 hours per week.” (22 times 40 divided by 60.) But would that be an accurate assessment of the situation? When you’re at work forty hours a week?
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: Kyndo on November 01, 2020, 09:52:23 am
Not to put too fine a point on it, but university teachers in Korea not only have just 12 teaching hours a week (or 15, depending on your Uni. The ones in my area all seem to have 12 hour contracts) , but also only work 8 months a year. Sweet gig!

And while I do agree with you that it' not entirely equivalent (and I'm continuing this conversation purely for the sake of argument, because arguments are a hobby of mine and I have 10 minutes to kill before my next class), I don't think it's ingenious if you you outright state "teaching hours". The remained of the time is not exactly free time, but it's not "gogogo" time either. I'm guessing that an Amazon worker has a lot more "gogogo" time during a 40 hour week than a a NET in Korea does.
I mean, how else do we have the time to be writing this?  :laugh:
...
...Oh right. Because it's Sunday and only I'm dumb enough to be working weekends. *sigh*
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: L I on November 01, 2020, 09:55:07 am
I’m writing this because it’s Sunday. You’re at work now?
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: Kyndo on November 01, 2020, 09:56:58 am
Yeah. No rest for the wicked.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: L I on November 01, 2020, 10:08:27 am
Public schools sometimes have classes on Sunday? I’m surprised. The students (at least some) are doing lots of studying.  :shocked:
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: oglop on November 01, 2020, 03:03:49 pm
How’d Bezos get so rich? During the pandemic Americans were flush with cash and bored so they ordered a lot of stuff from Amazon.

$15 an hour minimum starting wage for an unskilled job is not bad.

It was boosted to $17 an hour during the pandemic with double overtime pay to those who wanted it.

Hell, that’s more than public school NETs in Korea make in a job that requires a degree.

People choose to work for Amazon because it’s the best deal for them given their skill set.

What if the next time you brag about how much you make teaching you’re told you should give money to someone who has less? You probably wouldn’t like it.

Well I thought half the argument was the terrible working conditions their employees put up with. Its also a bit disingenuous saying people choose to work for amazon. I'm sure nobody would choose to work for low pay in difficult conditions if they can help it.

Also, online companies obviously did well during the pandemic due to lockdowns. And anyway, "flush with cash and bored"? Isn't there mass unemployment in the US (and other western countries)?

Plus, are you comparing my wage to that of Bezos, the richest man in the history of the planet? Ehhhh

Do people in other countries defend billionaires so much? I've only really seen Americans do it
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: waygo0k on November 01, 2020, 03:10:19 pm
The sad part in all this is that Bezos isn't even aware of LI's existence despite the latter shilling so hard for the former.

In what first world is a $17 per hour wage "not bad“? What is an" unskilled" worker? Do you really think the 22yr old with a degree in basket weaving from bum ass University (obviously exaggerating a bit here) who came to teach EFL in Korea straight out of uni is more "skilled" than someone loading boxes at amazon?

Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: stoat on November 01, 2020, 04:00:45 pm
The sad part in all this is that Bezos isn't even aware of LI's existence despite the latter shilling so hard for the former.

In what first world is a $17 per hour wage "not bad“? What is an" unskilled" worker? Do you really think the 22yr old with a degree in basket weaving from bum ass University (obviously exaggerating a bit here) who came to teach EFL in Korea straight out of uni is more "skilled" than someone loading boxes at amazon?



You don't think people learn any skills by doing a 3 or 4 year university course?
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: stoat on November 01, 2020, 04:03:57 pm
Well I thought half the argument was the terrible working conditions their employees put up with. Its also a bit disingenuous saying people choose to work for amazon. I'm sure nobody would choose to work for low pay in difficult conditions if they can help it.

Also, online companies obviously did well during the pandemic due to lockdowns. And anyway, "flush with cash and bored"? Isn't there mass unemployment in the US (and other western countries)?

Plus, are you comparing my wage to that of Bezos, the richest man in the history of the planet? Ehhhh

Do people in other countries defend billionaires so much? I've only really seen Americans do it

What about JK Rowling? People in the UK aren't always saying she made her money by exploiting people, or have I missed something? I'm sure there are people involved in the process of making her a billionaire that worked for minimum wage, or even for free as interns in publishing houses etc. 
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: waygo0k on November 01, 2020, 04:17:30 pm
You don't think people learn any skills by doing a 3 or 4 year university course?

And people don't learn/gain any "skills" Working at amazon?
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: stoat on November 01, 2020, 04:21:17 pm
And people don't learn/gain any "skills" Working at amazon?

Depends what job they're doing I guess. if it's just picking stuff off shelves and putting it on a cart, probably not that many that could transfer to teaching.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: oglop on November 01, 2020, 04:21:47 pm
 
What about JK Rowling? People in the UK aren't always saying she made her money by exploiting people, or have I missed something? I'm sure there are people involved in the process of making her a billionaire that worked for minimum wage, or even for free as interns in publishing houses etc. 
i've never seen anyone go out of their way to defend her. she's just... "there" (i didn't even know she was a billionaire...damn). she also doesn't run one of the largest retail companies in the world
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: L I on November 01, 2020, 04:24:10 pm
i've never seen anyone go out of their way to defend her. she's just... "there" (i didn't even know she was a billionaire...damn).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5ZDgz8MO1M
[3:34]
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: stoat on November 01, 2020, 04:48:24 pm
i've never seen anyone go out of their way to defend her. she's just... "there" (i didn't even know she was a billionaire...damn). she also doesn't run one of the largest retail companies in the world

People respect billionaires who produced or invented something, e.g. Rowling, Jobs, Dyson but not those who created a successful business model. Seems a bit unfair to me.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: waygo0k on November 01, 2020, 04:49:43 pm
Depends what job they're doing I guess. if it's just picking stuff off shelves and putting it on a cart, probably not that many that could transfer to teaching.

Teaching what? You think someone stacking shelves at amazon couldn't teach ABCs and "this is an apple" to minsu and bomin at crappy mccrap hagwon?
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: L I on November 01, 2020, 04:59:50 pm
Teaching well is a skill.

It absolutely is.

For all ages.

Not everyone can do it well.

Takes practice.

Improvement comes with time.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: stoat on November 01, 2020, 05:12:33 pm
Teaching what? You think someone stacking shelves at amazon couldn't teach ABCs and "this is an apple" to minsu and bomin at crappy mccrap hagwon?

The last time I worked in a warehouse, two of my work mates couldn't actually read, so they'd have found it difficult.  We're talking UK education here. Still, the point is anyone can teach anything in the sense that they can stand in front of a class and tell them to do stuff.   University educated people should be able to read, understand and write lesson plans better, be fairly skilled at presenting/public speaking, know more about the learning process, know how to create stuff on Word/Powerpoint , know what is considered standard English and what isn't etc, plus a load of other basic skills I can't be bothered to come up with now.  It's all pretty obvious if you think about it.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: waygo0k on November 01, 2020, 05:36:19 pm
No, it's not obvious.

Not every EFL teacher has the English nor classroom skills to teach EFL. And Korea has a strong fetish for hiring based on trivial things like appearance over any actual skill.

The fact that you can't even appreciate that things like keeping to tight deadlines, working under immense pressure to reach targets, working as part of one or even multiple teams simultaneously, learning to operate in-house systems, liaising with different departments based on different needs and situations etc...all count as valuable skills compared to "teaching" at a hagwon that thinks you're a good teacher because you have blonde hair.

It's not even like skills aren't transferable. Some skills gained in "unskilled" jobs like working at McDonald's (personal experience) and factory work absolutely come in handy when teaching EFL.

Some of you just fell hook, line sinker for the skilled vs unskilled differentiation and it's showing your class privilege.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: stoat on November 01, 2020, 05:42:38 pm
Sure, having had a job, any job, before you start work in a hagwan, would make you more employable than someone who hadn't
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: oglop on November 02, 2020, 09:26:14 am
People respect billionaires who produced or invented something, e.g. Rowling, Jobs, Dyson but not those who created a successful business model. Seems a bit unfair to me.
you might be onto something. everyone seems to love Jobs, but weren't there many scandals showing horrendous working conditions in chinese factories where they produced apple products? nobody really seemed to care about that though
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: oglop on November 02, 2020, 09:26:53 am
The last time I worked in a warehouse, two of my work mates couldn't actually read, so they'd have found it difficult.
jesus
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: thunderlips on December 21, 2020, 09:03:39 am
https://money.yahoo.com/democratic-and-republican-leaders-reach-deal-stimulus-checks-225623097.html
Uncle Mitch making it rain again....



(https://media4.giphy.com/media/26zzbNl5r3wy1sQQE/giphy.gif)

Worth noting Trump wanted up to $2,000 per person :O
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: gogators! on December 23, 2020, 06:26:53 am
https://money.yahoo.com/democratic-and-republican-leaders-reach-deal-stimulus-checks-225623097.html
Uncle Mitch making it rain again....



(https://media4.giphy.com/media/26zzbNl5r3wy1sQQE/giphy.gif)

Worth noting Trump wanted up to $2,000 per person :O
trump didn't know what he wanted or couldn't find the time to work to get it passed.

Funny thing is, one pundit said he would have been re-elected if Pelosi's original bill had been passed. 

The stimulus bill just passed is too small thanks to moscow mitch and the far right republicans.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: 745sticky on December 23, 2020, 07:46:55 am
Not even sworn in yet, and Biden already isn't looking too promising: https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/1315719382182526976?lang=en
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: tylerthegloob on December 23, 2020, 07:56:20 am
tweet is from october 13?
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: 745sticky on December 23, 2020, 08:00:47 am
tweet is from october 13?

Yes.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: thunderlips on December 23, 2020, 09:17:59 am
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-threatens-to-veto-massive-covid-bill

Quote
"I am asking Congress to amend this bill and increase the ridiculously low $600 to $2,000, or $4,000 for a couple," Trump said in a video posted to Twitter.


For all his many, many, many, many faults, he is right on this one.

Broken clock syndrome maybe.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: CO2 on December 23, 2020, 09:30:19 am
Broken clock syndrome maybe.
Can't you just say "Good" or "I agree?"

Agree with the stuff you like disagree with the bad.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: thunderlips on December 23, 2020, 09:34:57 am
Can't you just say "Good" or "I agree?"

Agree with the stuff you like disagree with the bad.

Can't you just say if you don't know the idiom.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: OnNut81 on December 23, 2020, 09:45:44 am
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-threatens-to-veto-massive-covid-bill


For all his many, many, many, many faults, he is right on this one.

Broken clock syndrome maybe.

For those who don't like Trump, broken clock syndrome is pretty apt. 
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 23, 2020, 01:20:00 pm
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-threatens-to-veto-massive-covid-bill


For all his many, many, many, many faults, he is right on this one.

Broken clock syndrome maybe.
Brace yourselves for a nonstop stream of letdowns. You wanted "normal"? Congrats, you got it. We're right back to where we were. These were the idiots that got us to that point.

So much of the Trump hate and fear was artificially created. You're going to realize how little of it was actual substance as things roll on.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: VanIslander on December 23, 2020, 01:24:57 pm
Everybody wants a free handout.

But this is a paid site.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: thunderlips on December 23, 2020, 01:32:16 pm
Everybody wants a free handout.

But this is a paid site.

Yeah that paywall worked out well, huh? 

But no the issue isn't about a free hand-out. If the government is saying you can't work to earn a living the gov't should bear that responsibility. I personally don't think these checks should be sent to everyone, myself included. There should be a stimulus package to thos who can't work and a bonus for the front-line workers; i.e. doctors, nurses, police, etc.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: 745sticky on December 23, 2020, 02:10:55 pm
For those who don't like Trump, broken clock syndrome is pretty apt.

A lot of Trump's economic policies are actually pretty left-leaning. The problem is all the other stuff.

They managed to tamper it down this year, but the populist wave will crash eventually. Not necessarily from the right either, although idk if lefties have figured out who they're replacing Bernie with.
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: hippo on December 23, 2020, 03:13:48 pm
Everybody wants a free handout.

But this is a paid site.

Arsalan got lots of free handouts when he made it paid. 
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: oglop on December 23, 2020, 03:56:41 pm
Everybody wants a free handout.

But this is a paid site.
what does this even mean
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: MayorHaggar on December 23, 2020, 07:42:21 pm
So is the $600 check going to be sent to Americans living overseas like the $1200 one was? Anyone know?
Title: Re: Will the USA get another round of stimulus checks passed before the election?
Post by: gogators! on December 24, 2020, 04:39:50 am
Brace yourselves for a nonstop stream of letdowns. You wanted "normal"? Congrats, you got it. We're right back to where we were. These were the idiots that got us to that point.

So much of the Trump hate and fear was artificially created. You're going to realize how little of it was actual substance as things roll on.
BS.