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Title: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: T.J. on September 19, 2020, 09:01:11 am
2020 just keeps the surprises coming. The timing of her passing just weeks before what is already one of the most contentious presidential elections just threw gas on the fire.

RIP.
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: VanIslander on September 19, 2020, 09:21:34 am
Dunno about gas on fire analogy, as Trump supporters usually pan her and mostly Democratic party far lefters pimp her, though she is widely respected.

She is like McCain. Everyone has nice things to say, but there is a vacuum of response.

There will now be a Brett Kavanaugh nomination hoopla over the replacement. Ugh. Wished she had lived six more months.
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: Liechtenstein on September 19, 2020, 09:25:01 am
This could be good news for Trump. Here's his previously made "just in case" list of his picks to fill a vacant seat on the SCOTUS. Lots of potential picks to appease certain segments of the voting bloc. Best of all for Trump, with Republican control of the senate, his pick is virtually assured a nomination and there is enough time to git 'er dun.


http://www.afj.org/our-work/judicial-nominations/trumps-scotus-short-list/
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: VanIslander on September 19, 2020, 09:26:17 am
https://youtu.be/VRJecfRxbr8
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: Liechtenstein on September 19, 2020, 09:32:09 am
It reminds me of Howard Hughes' response when JFK was shot was to order his bagman, Bob Maheu, to buy the entire campaign.
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: oglop on September 19, 2020, 09:42:26 am
can someone ELI5to me who she is please. danke
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: MayorHaggar on September 19, 2020, 01:39:09 pm
can someone ELI5to me who she is please. danke

Great
Old
Ornery
Good
Lady
Excellency
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: Don Hobak on September 19, 2020, 01:46:33 pm
can someone ELI5to me who she is please. danke

The death of this 27-year staunch liberal of the US Supreme Court has all but assured a conservative majority on the Court for decades to come. Unclear how her death will influence the presidential election as the open seat will likely “energize” both sides of the political aisle, though you’d think it would bring out more liberals out of sheer anger as the President and Republican Senate are likely going to try to have a replacement nominated, if not confirmed, before the election.

I’m assuming you’re fairly advanced for your age here...  :-[
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: Savant on September 19, 2020, 01:57:49 pm
This could be good news for Trump. Here's his previously made "just in case" list of his picks to fill a vacant seat on the SCOTUS. Lots of potential picks to appease certain segments of the voting bloc. Best of all for Trump, with Republican control of the senate, his pick is virtually assured a nomination and there is enough time to git 'er dun.


http://www.afj.org/our-work/judicial-nominations/trumps-scotus-short-list/

If they try to force a nomination through before the election then a President Biden and the new Democratic Senate Majority will just expand the Supreme Court.
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: waygo0k on September 19, 2020, 04:43:26 pm
1. RIP
2. Welp, there's half the DNC's "vote blue no matter who" mantra going up in flames.
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: Don Hobak on September 19, 2020, 04:53:16 pm
If they try to force a nomination through before the election then a President Biden and the new Democratic Senate Majority will just expand the Supreme Court.

What gives you that impression?
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: Savant on September 19, 2020, 05:05:07 pm
What gives you that impression?

A Dem Senator has already said as such. Also, why shouldn't they? Republicans made up the Merrick Garland rule for not granting him even a hearing in an election year but if they get an opportunity then be damned with precedent. Dems need to be ruthless!
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: JNM on September 19, 2020, 10:34:53 pm
... Dems need to be ruthless!

Bad pun if the week, right there.
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: HappyPlanetAbuser on September 20, 2020, 12:31:08 am
OK. The US as a democratic experiment is over.
It's up to Europe now to protect mankind.
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on September 20, 2020, 02:09:24 am
OK. The US as a democratic experiment is over.
It's up to Europe now to protect mankind.
Translation: I've never been through any real political crises in my life, so I'll just claim this one is utter doom.
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: grey on September 20, 2020, 02:23:57 am
OK. The US as a democratic experiment is over.
It's up to Europe now to protect mankind.

Oh, no. We're facked. Africa better prepare themselves for more colonization.
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: Don Hobak on September 20, 2020, 06:23:22 am
Dems need to be ruthless!
Bad pun if the week, right there.

Oof. Too soon, Savant :-[
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: Savant on September 20, 2020, 06:35:07 am
Bad pun if the week, right there.


Oof. Too soon, Savant :-[

Wasn’t even intentional. Just tired of Dems wanting to play bipartisanship when the Republicans will stab them in the back at any opportunity.
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: oglop on September 20, 2020, 09:46:57 am
The death of this 27-year staunch liberal of the US Supreme Court has all but assured a conservative majority on the Court for decades to come. Unclear how her death will influence the presidential election as the open seat will likely “energize” both sides of the political aisle, though you’d think it would bring out more liberals out of sheer anger as the President and Republican Senate are likely going to try to have a replacement nominated, if not confirmed, before the election.

I’m assuming you’re fairly advanced for your age here...  :-[
the bbc wrote a pretty comprehensive article explaining the situation. i think i understand it all better now. thanks
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: Don Hobak on September 20, 2020, 06:08:50 pm
All other hypocrisy aside, remember the right wing conspiracy theories that were flying around when Scalia died? Not hearing any of that for Ginsburg.
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: L I on September 20, 2020, 08:00:25 pm
If they try to force a nomination through before the election then a President Biden and the new Democratic Senate Majority will just expand the Supreme Court.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-biden-likely-wont-calls-175900377.html
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: Savant on September 20, 2020, 08:08:55 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-biden-likely-wont-calls-175900377.html

Except, Trump has those voters already. They are his diehards. He isn't expanding his base. Biden has already got back the moderates and independents that Hillary lost.
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: NorthStar on September 21, 2020, 03:22:55 am
Except, Trump has those voters already. They are his diehards. He isn't expanding his base. Biden has already got back the moderates and independents that Hillary lost.

oh...yahoo.
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on September 21, 2020, 03:35:06 am
If they try to force a nomination through before the election then a President Biden and the new Democratic Senate Majority will just expand the Supreme Court.
Trump's a dictator so we need to win in order to have President Biden pack the courts with judges that will agree with us isn't the most consistent of arguments.
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: Savant on September 21, 2020, 07:46:50 am
Trump's a dictator so we need to win in order to have President Biden pack the courts with judges that will agree with us isn't the most consistent of arguments.

If Dems introduce legislation to expand the courts and have a vote on it, how is that dictatorial?

Politics is dirty. This election might show that Dems get nowhere by playing nice and fair.
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: hangook77 on September 21, 2020, 07:50:12 am
Lemme guess.  She also died of Coronavirus??
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: Don Hobak on September 21, 2020, 10:23:37 am
Lemme guess.  She also died of Coronavirus??

Yup
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on September 21, 2020, 11:04:37 am
If Dems introduce legislation to expand the courts and have a vote on it, how is that dictatorial?
You mean if Parliament rubber stamps the President and rams through legislation to give him full monopoly over the courts and uniparty/total control over the government, as has been done by numerous authoritarian regimes in the past, how is that dictatorial? Are you serious?

Would you say the same thing if Republicans just rammed through legislation to pack the courts? No, you'd be howling about Trump the dictator and rightfully so.

All you can see is "My side good." Are you even constitutionally capable of applying your same thought process to those that your oppose?
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: Liechtenstein on September 21, 2020, 11:06:26 am
Pelosi is shooting her mouth off about impeachment again. Why don't the democrats get someone who is electable to be their leader? Trump will win in November and once again the democrats will only have themselves to blame.
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: Savant on September 21, 2020, 11:23:04 am
You mean if Parliament rubber stamps the President and rams through legislation to give him full monopoly over the courts and uniparty/total control over the government, as has been done by numerous authoritarian regimes in the past, how is that dictatorial? Are you serious?

Would you say the same thing if Republicans just rammed through legislation to pack the courts? No, you'd be howling about Trump the dictator and rightfully so.

All you can see is "My side good." Are you even constitutionally capable of applying your same thought process to those that your oppose?

Is President Moon’s government undemocratic because they have a big majority in the National Assembly?
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on September 21, 2020, 01:15:15 pm
Is President Moon’s government undemocratic because they have a big majority in the National Assembly?
Are they attempting to pack the courts by adding additional justices, all of which will be approved by them, so their legislation gets rubber stamped in the courts and they wield a permanent majority?
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: Savant on September 21, 2020, 01:23:55 pm
Are they attempting to pack the courts by adding additional justices, all of which will be approved by them, so their legislation gets rubber stamped in the courts and they wield a permanent majority?

The courts do not rubber stamp anything. There is precedent.
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on September 21, 2020, 02:14:50 pm
The courts do not rubber stamp anything. There is precedent.
Precedent can be found either way. If not, then find a "penumbra" that lets you rule as you want to.

If you seriously believe that judges are impartial referees and analyzers of the law, I have a bridge to sell you.
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: 745sticky on September 22, 2020, 07:42:42 am
The real tragedy was my twitter feed this weekend. Blue checkmark liberals handled the news about as well as they usually do (which is to say terribly and with much cringe)
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: tylerthegloob on September 22, 2020, 07:47:14 am
the real tragedy is that you use twitter enough for that to be a tragedy ;) #packthecourts
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: 745sticky on September 22, 2020, 08:00:04 am
I logged in once.

Apparently Trump plans to nominate a woman. Fairly predictable move, I can't wait for the inevitable claims that anyone opposing his pick is a "hypocritical sexist" or however he wants to put it
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: Liechtenstein on September 22, 2020, 08:48:40 am
When Trump gets his pick nominated that will give a 6-3 Republican majority on the SCOTUS, all tending towards younger in age. That will change things in a big way. I would look forward to seeing Roe vs Wade overturned for starters. Rights of minorities and workers over turned or lessened. yadda yadda yadda
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: tylerthegloob on September 22, 2020, 09:40:08 am
I logged in once.

#JustSayNo #NotEvenOnce #PackTheCourtsWithBindersFullOfWomen
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: 745sticky on September 22, 2020, 09:44:11 am
#JustSayNo #NotEvenOnce #PackTheCourtsWithBindersFullOfWomen

If you keep this up I'm gonna post the Ruth Bader Ginsburg *** jar
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: tylerthegloob on September 22, 2020, 11:17:50 am
ive never been more afraid of *** than i am right now. i'm even more hype for the election now though
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: shanebarry1986 on September 22, 2020, 11:22:05 am
When Trump gets his pick nominated that will give a 6-3 Republican majority on the SCOTUS, all tending towards younger in age. That will change things in a big way. I would look forward to seeing Roe vs Wade overturned for starters. Rights of minorities and workers over turned or lessened. yadda yadda yadda

Minorities such as males?

I should have my green card by 2022,. If they overturn the National Firearms Act I will be the happiest person on earth. That's if I don't get put in a concentration camp along with all the other immigrants..
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: hangook77 on September 22, 2020, 12:11:15 pm
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-top-picks-supreme-court-1.5733339

My guess is Amy Coney Barrett?



Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: 745sticky on September 22, 2020, 01:17:13 pm
Barrett's a pretty likely choice, yeah.
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: Liechtenstein on September 22, 2020, 04:59:30 pm
Barrett's a pretty likely choice, yeah.

I think I read she's in the lead. Way conservative. This will be Trump's legacy if he loses, which I doubt.
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: hangook77 on September 23, 2020, 11:32:06 am
I logged in once.

Apparently Trump plans to nominate a woman. Fairly predictable move, I can't wait for the inevitable claims that anyone opposing his pick is a "hypocritical sexist" or however he wants to put it

Whoever the next nominee is:  "They are a rapist, a drunk, and a terrible person who did a lot of drugs in their youth!!"  There, now that's out of the way. 
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on September 23, 2020, 11:40:30 am
Trump should troll everyone and nominate Biden.
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: hangook77 on September 24, 2020, 12:44:04 pm
Minorities such as males?

I should have my green card by 2022,. If they overturn the National Firearms Act I will be the happiest person on earth. That's if I don't get put in a concentration camp along with all the other immigrants..

Well, if you don't like it, don't get a green card there.  But legal immigrants will be fine.  The economy should be fired back up by then depending on where you are moving to.  Just stay off the coasts (Northeast and California for starters). 
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: tylerthegloob on September 24, 2020, 12:46:02 pm
yeah dude please stay off the coasts. go to oklahoma or something
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: NorthStar on September 26, 2020, 03:24:43 am
I see...
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: Savant on September 26, 2020, 08:53:53 am
I see...

Why is Merrick Garland not on the Supreme Court then?
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: NorthStar on September 26, 2020, 09:25:31 am
Why is Merrick Garland not on the Supreme Court then?

I don't know the answer to your deflective question. 
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: MayorHaggar on September 27, 2020, 09:27:43 am
So you admit that you're just trolling and you don't care that the GOP Senate refused to acknowledge that Obama was elected to a 4 year term.
Title: Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg dead at 87
Post by: Liechtenstein on September 27, 2020, 12:06:13 pm
Trump has announced his pick for RBG's seat on the SCOTUS.

Amy Coney Barrett