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Title: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Cyanea on June 24, 2020, 12:48:18 am

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Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Liechtenstein on June 24, 2020, 12:14:08 pm
I define friendly as someone who smiles at people, says hello to strangers, will stop to help anyone who looks like they need it whether they need directions or help changing a flat tire. A person who will strike up a conversation waiting in line. You know, someone who is friendly to everyone all the time unless there is history between them which negates it. Friendly.

Based on this, I find Koreans to be decidedly unfriendly and cold. If they know you, you are family, went to school with you, grew up next to you.....they are friendly enough. If you are a stranger you're a ghost. This was explained to me by a few co-teachers.

I don't consider that being friendly. I consider it being selectively friendly, which in my opinion is not friendly. There's no grey area to me. You are or you are not, friendly.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Samrey on June 24, 2020, 12:41:47 pm
The big thing for me is how people don't give a shit about strangers, push past you, don't say hello or thank you, don't hold the door etc.

In Ireland we go really out of our way to be nice to strangers (most people do anyway) so it's a big change. People usually really nice if they know you here.

Korean wife really liked the way people randomly start talking to you back home, especially in the pub.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: confusedsafferinkorea on June 24, 2020, 12:47:07 pm
I once commented to my co-teacher (she was a really nice person), about how weird I found it that in school teachers were super friendly to me at school but once you put foot outside the building they underwent a personality change and acted like you didn't exist. She had no comment to make on that other than to agree with me.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Colburnnn on June 24, 2020, 12:56:30 pm
I define friendly as someone who smiles at people, says hello to strangers, will stop to help anyone who looks like they need it whether they need directions or help changing a flat tire. A person who will strike up a conversation waiting in line. You know, someone who is friendly to everyone all the time unless there is history between them which negates it. Friendly.

Based on this, I find Koreans to be decidedly unfriendly and cold. If they know you, you are family, went to school with you, grew up next to you.....they are friendly enough. If you are a stranger you're a ghost. This was explained to me by a few co-teachers.

I don't consider that being friendly. I consider it being selectively friendly, which in my opinion is not friendly. There's no grey area to me. You are or you are not, friendly.

Completely agree. I was explaining this yesterday to a Korean friend. Just because you are friendly to people you know, doesn't mean you are friendly.

First year I was with my wife, she thought I was weird for saying Merry Christmas to random people on Christmas day. She just couldn't understand being 'friendly'.

Same thing with the neighbours. I don't know anyone on my floor, but at home I know the names of everyone up my road.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Don Hobak on June 24, 2020, 01:11:50 pm
Everyone i’ve Interacted with today has ranged from nice enough to super nice, but that’s purely anecdotal.

The question is a “leading” question, which is not the best way to elicit honest, unbiased answers.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: VanIslander on June 24, 2020, 01:12:43 pm
Ha, ha.

Wait til you experience the Japanese.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: JNM on June 24, 2020, 02:52:42 pm
“Manners” and “rudeness” are defined by culture. They are not absolute, universal attributes.

Being of mixed Anglo/Franco background, I can tell you that the French think the English are rude because they never say what they really mean, and the English think the French are rude because they are so direct.

When to smile, what fork to use, or how deeply one bows are all culturally determined. The Queen of Canada gets a bow from the neck, but a customer at a high end Gangnam department store can get a deep bow from the waist. Koreans would be shocked at how poorly we treat the Queen!
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Aristocrat on June 24, 2020, 03:13:59 pm
Opposite of rude is polite, not friendly.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: oglop on June 24, 2020, 03:21:48 pm
“Manners” and “rudeness” are defined by culture. They are not absolute, universal attributes.

Being of mixed Anglo/Franco background, I can tell you that the French think the English are rude because they never say what they really mean, and the English think the French are rude because they are so direct.

When to smile, what fork to use, or how deeply one bows are all culturally determined. The Queen of Canada gets a bow from the neck, but a customer at a high end Gangnam department store can get a deep bow from the waist. Koreans would be shocked at how poorly we treat the Queen!
In which culture is it polite to push on the subway/lift before letting people off first again?
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: stoat on June 24, 2020, 04:27:42 pm
Yes but what about football hooligans?
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: oglop on June 24, 2020, 05:09:29 pm
Yes but what about gang violence in America? You saying you would rather be shot to death than occasionally pushed by an ajumma?
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: JNM on June 24, 2020, 07:25:10 pm
In which culture is it polite to push on the subway/lift before letting people off first again?
Korea, apparently.

The locals tolerate it.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: oglop on June 24, 2020, 08:50:02 pm
Korea, apparently.

The locals tolerate it.
Most Koreans I've talked to hate it

And we've seemed to have gone from "polite" to "tolerate". I tolerate the dickhead ajeossis shouting outside my apartment at 3am, but I wouldn't call it polite
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: jamsilnaynay on June 24, 2020, 09:32:06 pm
I don't know if I'd say rude, as it's very subjective...but definitely cold.  But maybe because I've only been in Seoul? Maybe Korean people in Jeju or Busan would be friendlier
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: dippedinblush on June 24, 2020, 09:40:06 pm
I find Koreans to be quite warm and friendly if you meet them in the way they expect foreigners to be.. Just smile and be open!  I think a lot of Koreans are thinking that foreigners are Americans and expect us to navigate a lot of the awkward intermingling because we are so bold and forward...so it's our job to put them at ease (rightly or wrongly)...and we need to pull that out of ourselves (I know I needed to)....(its the same way you need to pull that bright spirit out of yourself when you teach)

Most Koreans are expecting AMERICAN boldness and can say any bloody thing that flies from their mouths (at the first meeting and out at hyesiks when drinking )  and that is met with...cringey results from us.   A lot of them are older and loud Korean men and women that just have balls of steel and take it too far and are just blasting out any English they know!  That is good!!!  Just go with it.....play along and those oldies will have your back in the future.  Not joking...

From my experience, the more subdued Koreans need to feel they are comfortable with you in order to speak their true minds.  Of course that could be due to that fact that you are a foreigner, but mostly it's due to communication (and it's due to them speaking in English to you).. In order to do that you need to become a part of their circle and world and try to learn basic Korean.  If they can see you are trying to learn their language...you will see many doors open up to you.

That's my experience....

Just enjoy your Korean experience here and try and be an outgoing person!  Quiet introverted mice are not going to have a good time in Korea....


Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Cyanea on June 24, 2020, 11:07:05 pm
I once commented to my co-teacher (she was a really nice person), about how weird I found it that in school teachers were super friendly to me at school but once you put foot outside the building they underwent a personality change and acted like you didn't exist.

Westerners are much worse for this.

Yes but what about gang violence in America? 

Sigh its not even the end of the first page and you've derailed the thread into the irrelevant topic of gang violence? get a grip..

Opposite of rude is polite, not friendly.

Exactly. The question underlying this thread is "are koreans rude"?

Friendliness is an entirely different thing..

“Manners” and “rudeness” are defined by culture. They are not absolute, universal attributes. When to smile, what fork to use, or how deeply one bows are all culturally determined. The Queen of Canada gets a bow from the neck

You're talking about the outward gestures. Yes of course they differ by culture.

But politeness and rudeness are universal values that can be detected no matter the culture.

Politeness is a basic respect for other peoples needs and feelings. You can sense it in a persons demeanour. Its an attitude. 


What I find shocking is that Koreans will frequently return western politeness with abuse. This is rudeness.

You can tell its rudeness because Koreans will not treat other koreans in this way.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on June 25, 2020, 04:53:27 am
I define friendly as someone who smiles at people, says hello to strangers, will stop to help anyone who looks like they need it whether they need directions or help changing a flat tire. A person who will strike up a conversation waiting in line. You know, someone who is friendly to everyone all the time unless there is history between them which negates it. Friendly.
You know some people might interpret your "friendliness" as a borderline demand for them to entertain you with you presuming to sit in judgment of them should they fail to comply. In other words, the exact opposite of friendly and polite. Intrusive, overbearing, presumptuous and judgmental might be how some people view it.

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But politeness and rudeness are universal values that can be detected no matter the culture.
Not really. Not even within broader cultures. For example there is a tremendous gulf between Midwestern and Southern culture, manners, interpretations of friendliness and politeness, etc.

Look at how people here interpreted Saffers speaking Afrikaans amongst each other. Some people are extremely bothered by it and see it as rude and unfriendly, others see it as no big deal or even find it interesting (count me in the latter group- I grew up around immigrants, foreign language conversations don't call me to fall to pieces. They don't exist to entertain me).

Opposite of rude is polite, not friendly.
This. 

Sigh its not even the end of the first page and you've derailed the thread into the irrelevant topic of gang violence? get a grip..
Pretty sure stoat and oglop are making light of me. They feel that my mentioning of street crime and hooliganism to be a distraction from the issue and a form of whatabboutism designed to deflect from criticism of Korea, while I consider them ignoring such things as them having arbitrary standards of rudeness and discarding anything that doesn't support their narrative.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on June 25, 2020, 04:54:54 am
You will find more variance within subcultures and within individuals than you will between cultures.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: L I on June 25, 2020, 05:14:05 am
Look at how people here interpreted Saffers speaking Afrikaans amongst each other. Some people are extremely bothered by it and see it as rude and unfriendly, others see it as no big deal or even find it interesting (count me in the latter group- I grew up around immigrants, foreign language conversations don't call me to fall to pieces. They don't exist to entertain me).

What's the point of speaking Afrikaans in the presence of NETs who can't understand it? That's exclusionary. Do they feel more comfortable and better able to articulate their thoughts in their mother tongue of Afrikaans than their non native language of English? Then they're not really NETs are they?
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on June 25, 2020, 05:35:13 am
What's the point of speaking Afrikaans in the presence of NETs who can't understand it? That's exclusionary. Do they feel more comfortable and better able to articulate their thoughts in their mother tongue of Afrikaans than their non native language of English? Then they're not really NETs are they?
What's the point in insisting that people speak in a given language to make YOU comfortable? Are you the center of attention and the one to whom all preferences should be tailored?

You might have a different view if you had grown up bilingual instead of monolingual. A lot of the people who are uncomfortable with bilingualism are insecure about it, usually because of some negative trait like jealousy.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: oglop on June 25, 2020, 05:50:03 am
if you're with a group of people who all speak the same language, but they decide to exclude you by having a conversation in another language they know you don't understand..how is that not rude again?
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: L I on June 25, 2020, 06:32:42 am
Jealous of not being able to speak Afrikaans? Languages are only useful insofar as the percentage of the world who can understand it but not understand English. Meaning outside of South Africa it's useless (and probably not even that needed to function inside South Africa). Its only utility in Korea is as a secret code system, meaning evading understanding in a public setting. Which is not polite or inclusive.

English is by far the most useful language in the world. Nothing else comes close. A very distant second, third, fourth, and fifth would be Spanish, Chinese, Arabic, and Japanese. Do I wish I could speak those? Yes. But the opportunity cost is too high. Most adults can't pick up languages as well as kids. I wish that wasn't true, but it is. Also, most people around the world have learned and been exposed to English from a young age through TV, school, and YouTube. Because they know English, the value of knowing a language that is not English lessens.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on June 25, 2020, 06:48:38 am
if you're with a group of people who all speak the same language, but they decide to exclude you by having a conversation in another language they know you don't understand..how is that not rude again?
You're presuming that their intent is to exclude you rather than to communicate with each other. Their lives do not revolve around you.

If you're in a group of Saffers and you're the only non-Saffer why does it make you so upset that they speak in Afrikaans for a few minutes. It's not like you're totally out of it. "OMG I'm not the center of attention 24-7 and these eight other people aren't forgoing their own enjoyment in order to service me. How dare they!!!"

Those of us with experience dealing with bilingual people and being in bilingual social settings know how to handle this without flying off the rails and getting all insecure about it.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on June 25, 2020, 06:51:58 am
Jealous of not being able to speak Afrikaans? Languages are only useful insofar as the percentage of the world who can understand it but not understand English. Meaning outside of South Africa it's useless (and probably not even that needed to function inside South Africa). Its only utility in Korea is as a secret code system, meaning evading understanding in a public setting. Which is not polite or inclusive.

English is by far the most useful language in the world. Nothing else comes close. A very distant second, third, fourth, and fifth would be Spanish, Chinese, Arabic, and Japanese. Do I wish I could speak those? Yes. But the opportunity cost is too high. Most adults can't pick up languages as well as kids. I wish that wasn't true, but it is. Also, most people around the world have learned and been exposed to English from a young age through TV, school, and YouTube. Because they know English, the value of knowing a language that is not English lessens.
If Afrikaans is such a useless language, then why do you give a shit if they speak it and why wasn't your initial point about how it was useless?
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: stoat on June 25, 2020, 07:02:01 am
You're presuming that their intent is to exclude you rather than to communicate with each other. Their lives do not revolve around you.

If you're in a group of Saffers and you're the only non-Saffer why does it make you so upset that they speak in Afrikaans for a few minutes. It's not like you're totally out of it. "OMG I'm not the center of attention 24-7 and these eight other people aren't forgoing their own enjoyment in order to service me. How dare they!!!"

Those of us with experience dealing with bilingual people and being in bilingual social settings know how to handle this without flying off the rails and getting all insecure about it.

It all boils down to how long they speak it for. I assume you would think it rude if they spoke in Afrikaans all night?
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: oglop on June 25, 2020, 07:03:20 am
You're presuming that their intent is to exclude you rather than to communicate with each other. Their lives do not revolve around you.

If you're in a group of Saffers and you're the only non-Saffer why does it make you so upset that they speak in Afrikaans for a few minutes. It's not like you're totally out of it. "OMG I'm not the center of attention 24-7 and these eight other people aren't forgoing their own enjoyment in order to service me. How dare they!!!"

Those of us with experience dealing with bilingual people and being in bilingual social settings know how to handle this without flying off the rails and getting all insecure about it.
Because making you sit there twiddling your thumbs, purposely excluding you from conversation is rude?

Why does this always happen? You're doing it again

Me: excluding others from conversation is rude

You: omg stop trying to be the focus point of conversation. You are not the centre of the universe

Like, I don't even get how you can twist what I say so completely away from my original point
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: gogators! on June 25, 2020, 07:05:24 am
They wear masks, which scores of Americans refuse to do. That rates big on my politeness meter.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Ronnie Omelettes on June 25, 2020, 07:17:07 am
Why does this always happen? You're doing it again

For someone with so much pointless internet argument history behind them and 'street smarts', he doesn't half get triggered by another one of cyanide's crappy trolling threads. 

See another of cyanide's awful threads?

Let it slide off the first page without commenting. 

Get on with life....Leave cyanide is his pit of despair.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Liechtenstein on June 25, 2020, 09:31:57 am
You know some people might interpret your "friendliness" as a borderline demand for them to entertain you with you presuming to sit in judgment of them should they fail to comply. In other words, the exact opposite of friendly and polite. Intrusive, overbearing, presumptuous and judgmental might be how some people view it.

hahahahaha....yeah. ..Right! Smiling and saying hello is a negative. You seem to have two major issues: argumentative simply for the sake of being contrary and obnoxious and extreme apologist leanings

You are wrong. Smiling and saying hello cannot in any way in any circumstance, barring the clearly obvious, be construed as anything but friendly.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Swervy96 on June 25, 2020, 09:48:16 am
Jesus, every day people are crying on here about how horrible Koreans are lmao
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: 745sticky on June 25, 2020, 10:19:20 am
This is the big meaniehead unhappyboi website. If you want sugar dust and rainbows, go to that other site
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Colburnnn on June 25, 2020, 10:21:24 am
Jesus, every day people are crying on here about how horrible Koreans are lmao

Yeah man LOLOL should just 'f off back to their own countries' right bro ROFLOLMAOOOO
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Swervy96 on June 25, 2020, 10:44:59 am
This is the big meaniehead unhappyboi website. If you want sugar dust and rainbows, go to that other site

Too bad it's impossible to take anyone's insults here seriously. lmao
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: 745sticky on June 25, 2020, 10:46:58 am
its like high school, you sorta get desensitized to it after a while
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: #basedcowboyshirt on June 25, 2020, 10:48:26 am
For someone with so much pointless internet argument history behind them and 'street smarts', he doesn't half get triggered by another one of cyanide's crappy trolling threads. 

See another of cyanide's awful threads?

Let it slide off the first page without commenting. 

Get on with life....Leave cyanide is his pit of despair.

Cyanea is literally the lowest-effort, lowest-quality troll account on this website. I don't get how people get so easily baited him him. Like, without fail his stupid, stupid topics always manage to generate at least two pages of people arguing with him. And his trolling isn't even funny. It's just boring.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Colburnnn on June 25, 2020, 11:13:18 am
lmao

Seems like this dude still is at high school.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Ronnie Omelettes on June 25, 2020, 11:31:01 am
Cyanea is literally the lowest-effort, lowest-quality troll account on this website. I don't get how people get so easily baited him him. Like, without fail his stupid, stupid topics always manage to generate at least two pages of people arguing with him. And his trolling isn't even funny. It's just boring.

Exactly.  Yesterday, this troll thread was sinking without comments, then someone replied.  Next week there will be a similarly stupid trolling effort. People who use the site often should know just to ignore his threads.

(yes, I'm replying to this thread now as it's near the top of the front page,  it will disappear soon)
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Swervy96 on June 25, 2020, 11:33:50 am
Seems like this dude still is at high school.

Totally dude
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Colburnnn on June 25, 2020, 12:17:52 pm
Totally dude

Hey dude LOL quick question bro, HAHA! If someone LOL feels like they don't like LOOOOOOL the UK or the US, maybe racism or something like that LOOOOOL should they ROFL 'f off back home' LOL or should they HAHA call out whats LOL wrong? LOOOOL
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: 745sticky on June 25, 2020, 12:19:46 pm
Great ****** job guys, you broke Colburnnn. And I'm NOT footing the repair bill this time.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: oglop on June 25, 2020, 12:21:12 pm
Great ****** job guys, you broke Colburnnn. And I'm NOT footing the repair bill this time.
you can't afford 56 won?
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: 745sticky on June 25, 2020, 12:24:56 pm
Hey man, that 56 won is like half a snickers bar.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: CO2 on June 25, 2020, 12:27:00 pm
Hey man, that 56 won is like half a snickers bar.

Where the hell you getting deals like that?????
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: oglop on June 25, 2020, 12:30:39 pm
745sticky have you been boffing a tranny again?
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: L I on June 25, 2020, 12:37:47 pm
From my experience, the more subdued Koreans need to feel they are comfortable with you in order to speak their true minds.  Of course that could be due to that fact that you are a foreigner, but mostly it's due to communication (and it's due to them speaking in English to you).. In order to do that you need to become a part of their circle and world and try to learn basic Korean.  If they can see you are trying to learn their language...you will see many doors open up to you.

So the reason to study Korean is not to use it as a means of communication but to show you tried to learn?

You came to Korea in 2007 and that's been your experience?

I've noticed virtually all NETs who have been in Korea more than ten years can't speak Korean beyond beginner basics.

It's also been my experience Koreans really look down on foreigners who have been in Korean for a long time but aren't fluent in the language.

They take it as a sign of low intelligence and/or extreme laziness, not realizing most adults cannot pick up languages as well as children (and not realizing Korean is one of the hardest languages in the world to get good at).
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on June 25, 2020, 12:39:20 pm
Because making you sit there twiddling your thumbs, purposely excluding you from conversation is rude?

Why does this always happen? You're doing it again

Me: excluding others from conversation is rude

You: omg stop trying to be the focus point of conversation. You are not the centre of the universe

Like, I don't even get how you can twist what I say so completely away from my original point
No one is excluding you. You not being catered to 24-7 =/= exclusion.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Swervy96 on June 25, 2020, 12:44:32 pm
Hey dude LOL quick question bro, HAHA! If someone LOL feels like they don't like LOOOOOOL the UK or the US, maybe racism or something like that LOOOOOL should they ROFL 'f off back home' LOL or should they HAHA call out whats LOL wrong? LOOOOL

This is the person saying "I'm still at highschool"? I'm rolling
You sound like the type of person who would call any situation that doesn't go your way here, "racism".
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Colburnnn on June 25, 2020, 12:46:00 pm
Answer the question.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: oglop on June 25, 2020, 12:48:29 pm
No one is excluding you. You not being catered to 24-7 =/= exclusion.
wait. if you are invited out with a group of people and they spend the whole night talking in a language you don't understand -- knowing you don't speak this language -- you just put it down to "oh well i can't expect them to cater to me 24/7"? and you don't consider this behaviour rude?
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Swervy96 on June 25, 2020, 12:52:56 pm
Answer the question.

The difference is you chose to come here.
If you hate it to the point where you need to let out tears daily on a forum about where you live, then yes. you should move.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: L I on June 25, 2020, 12:56:09 pm
But Colburnnn has a Korean wife so it's not like he can just leave. What if she refuses? What if she wants to be near her family?
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Colburnnn on June 25, 2020, 12:57:18 pm
So did they LMAOOOOOOOO LOLOLOLOL ROFLOLOLLLL
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Colburnnn on June 25, 2020, 12:59:02 pm
But Colburnnn has a Korean wife so it's not like he can just leave. What if she refuses? What if she wants to be near her family?

Thanks L I, and they are my family too. I love this country, however it is also a complete dump in many places. I call it out online and IRL so hopefully it can improve.

Mac seems like a bell, so should fit in well on this site. LMAOOOOOO
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: stoat on June 25, 2020, 01:00:19 pm
wait. if you are invited out with a group of people and they spend the whole night talking in a language you don't understand -- knowing you don't speak this language -- you just put it down to "oh well i can't expect them to cater to me 24/7"? and you don't consider this behaviour rude?

I asked him that before and he didn't reply. If pushed, he's going to say that it's OK for a few minutes, which I think most people would agree with. 
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Swervy96 on June 25, 2020, 01:02:07 pm
Thanks L I, and they are my family too. I love this country, however it is also a complete dump in many places. I call it out online and IRL so hopefully it can improve.

Mac seems like a bell, so should fit in well on this site. LMAOOOOOO
<3

And to be clear I wasn't personally calling out Colburnnn.
In general I see so many foreigners here doing nothing but talking shit about Korea and the people here...
I guess I don't know why so many choose to come here and then compare it with how great other countries are in their minds.
I understand people should fight for positive change, that's not what i'm getting at...

There's a difference between completely shitting on the place you live in/people, and fighting for positive change.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: 745sticky on June 25, 2020, 01:31:35 pm
Where the hell you getting deals like that?????

Ok I admit I goofed there, 56 =/= 560

745sticky have you been boffing a tranny again?

Well this is certainly a new accusation
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Colburnnn on June 25, 2020, 01:41:20 pm
<3

And to be clear I wasn't personally calling out Colburnnn.
In general I see so many foreigners here doing nothing but talking shit about Korea and the people here...
I guess I don't know why so many choose to come here and then compare it with how great other countries are in their minds.
I understand people should fight for positive change, that's not what i'm getting at...

There's a difference between completely shitting on the place you live in/people, and fighting for positive change.

You weren't calling out anybody, you were jumping the gun and thinking the small list of (widely accepted) flaws with Korea that I mentioned was me stating I hate Korea. You even told me to f off home (in other words).

It seems you have a beef with foreigners who live here not accepting Korea warts and all. Well yes, that's what foreigners do. All around the world. Including the UK. (My home) Don't like the weather? 'F off home then' Don't like potato? 'F off home then' Don't like going to the pub for a pint? 'F off home then'. No, we don't do that do we. This discussion has been had here many times. Would a long list of the things I love cheer you up?
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Swervy96 on June 25, 2020, 01:48:24 pm
Nah you're right. 100%
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: theman3285 on June 25, 2020, 02:33:43 pm
Nah you're right. 100%
Well that was an anti-climax  :sad:
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Swervy96 on June 25, 2020, 02:42:13 pm
Well that was an anti-climax  :sad:
I just don't have the energy to argue the logic of people should move to a place they'll hate... I'm sorry :(
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Liechtenstein on June 25, 2020, 02:42:57 pm
What's wrong with pointing out things you don't like about the country you live in? Who cares where "home" is? I have no designated "home". I was born in Canada but feel no more Canadian than a Korean who can speak a bit of English and would love to visit The Great White North someday.

It is perfectly legitimate to call out things you don't like about a place you live in. This entire 'if you don't like it leave' is infantile and denotes a subtle racism in itself as in, you are not a _____ therefore you cannot express a negative opinion regarding ______. That's crap.

I totally get it if you are on vacation. If you are vacationing in a place for 1 or 2 weeks and have nothing nice to say, leave. However, if you live there, pay bills and taxes, you have every right to badmouth it as does any national.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Colburnnn on June 25, 2020, 02:45:21 pm
I don't hate it here... Don't know what to tell ya! Sorry!

And totally agree LIC.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Liechtenstein on June 25, 2020, 02:48:14 pm
I just don't have the energy to argue the logic of people should move to a place they'll hate... I'm sorry :(

How could someone possibly know they will hate a place if they've never been there?

There's another side here too. It's called responsibility. You move to a place, let's call it Korea, you sign a contract for 1 year and 6 months later hate the place. Provided nothing untoward is happening, like your boss is sexually harassing you for example, it's just a general I hate it here, it behooves you to stick it out.

So you stick it out for a further 6 months, all the while excoriating everything about the country, then leave.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Liechtenstein on June 25, 2020, 02:53:44 pm
I don't hate it here... Don't know what to tell ya! Sorry!

And totally agree LIC.

Yeah man, I get it. I made a 5 year promise to my Korean co-teacher provided I was treated with respect. I was and I fulfilled my promise. But, after 5 years I was overdue by about 8 months to get the heck out. It helps I lived and taught in a seriously scenic and beautiful spot on the ocean. I simply hate winter and cold weather. Too many years in Canada. I've been gone for years now and still communicate half regularly with folks I worked with. Some have been to visit me and my wife and we plan a vacation back in Korea as soon as the virus shitshow is finished.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Swervy96 on June 25, 2020, 02:55:49 pm
I don't know why you think i'm talking about only you still when I clearly said before I wasn't.

And I agree with you LIC, people should 100% fight for positive change, like I said before.
I'm referring to the people who move here and literally complain about every. single. thing. every. day. on forums.
I don't understand how you can't understand that...
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Swervy96 on June 25, 2020, 02:57:05 pm
I 100% understand and agree with you LIC, still pretty sure we are just talking about different types of people..

I have met and seen plenty of people complain a shit ton about Korea and how much it sucks, but choose to renew again just to repeat another year of it for the hell of it.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Kyndo on June 25, 2020, 03:05:57 pm
Would a long list of the things I love cheer you up?
I'm feeling a bit blue, and it would certainly cheer me up!  :smiley:
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Liechtenstein on June 25, 2020, 03:11:44 pm
I 100% understand and agree with you LIC, still pretty sure we are just talking about different types of people..

I have met and seen plenty of people complain a shit ton about Korea and how much it sucks, but choose to renew again just to repeat another year of it for the hell of it.

Yeah man, I'm with you there. If you've been complaining for months why would you sign a new contract. That, I don't get. I didn't become disgruntled until my 5th contract was about 3 months in or so. It was my last one as had been planned. So I put my head down and got on with it coupled with the requisite bitching and complaining.

I was asked to stay by the school, my CT and the local Office of Ed. I politely told them I had enjoyed myself but I had had enough of Korea and would leave while I had pleasant memories because if I stayed I'd be bitter. They got it and thanked me for my professionalism and honesty. I'd worked with the same people for 5 years and we got along well. They admitted Korea can be challenging, even for them from time to time.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Colburnnn on June 25, 2020, 03:15:55 pm
I'm feeling a bit blue, and it would certainly cheer me up!  :smiley:

Sorry to hear that kyndo! I'm blue too. Someone deliberately misquoted me today and I was really upset, they still have not apologised for it either :(( TT

This is my last post as I'm going home now and don't touch waygook.org outside of work hours, but I promise I'll give you a list tomorrow ok? Cheer up. Tomorrow is Friday, Friday, getting down on Friday. And you know Friday Waygook is the best Waygook. :)))

CU! CB. x
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: jamsilnaynay on June 25, 2020, 05:19:46 pm
Jesus, every day people are crying on here about how horrible Koreans are lmao
Tbf it depends on the age a lot as well. Most of the rude Koreans are over 50 years old. Very few of the young people in Korea are mean. But sadly, a lot of the older ones are

Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on June 25, 2020, 11:26:44 pm
wait. if you are invited out with a group of people and they spend the whole night talking in a language you don't understand -- knowing you don't speak this language -- you just put it down to "oh well i can't expect them to cater to me 24/7"? and you don't consider this behaviour rude?
You were invited out by a bunch of Saffers with you as the guest of honor? They were already planning something and they invited you along? What exactly was the situation here? Or was this more like you were invited out for drinks with a Saffer coworker, he got texted/called up a friend, then that guy invited a mutual acquaintance or something and suddenly it's 5 Saffers and you? Was it a big group and with 5 Saffers and 5 non-Saffers and for 10 minutes the Saffers had the temerity to speak in another language? Or did a Saffer coworker say he was going to watch Rugby or Cricket or whatever because SA was playing and as a "polite" gesture he asked if you wanted to come and shocker, at The Workshop, during an SA match, they all spoke Afrikaans. Totally unforseen.

Have you ever thought about not being butthurt over them speaking Afrikaans or, gasp!, you trying to be proactive during all of this? If you've got any kind of smooth in you, you can find a way to join in. But I guess you don't have that.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on June 25, 2020, 11:52:31 pm
I asked him that before and he didn't reply. If pushed, he's going to say that it's OK for a few minutes, which I think most people would agree with.

It all boils down to how long they speak it for. I assume you would think it rude if they spoke in Afrikaans all night?

Depends on the setting and how you ended up there. As someone who hung out with a bunch of different groups and people of a different background, it's just something you learn how to roll with, being the only goy at dinner.

I do know that in some cases, subcultures might invite you out because the person who invites you wants to see if you can blend well because they like hanging out with you, but aren't sure if you'll be able to handle the setting. Can you prove out? If you're just going to bulldoze your way through it and try and make yourself the center of attention or if you're just going to silently sulk and eventually leave, then yeah, you just couldn't hang.

Tips, not jsut Saffers, any bilingual subgroup in general:
1) Know your crowd. Get a sense for how people play off of each other. Friendly insults? Tall tales? Words of loyalty? Do people take turns? Is it active and back and forth? Are there age dynamics? Is it serious? Is it casual? 
1b) Know a bit about their culture. Know a few major cities, what sports are big and what teams, some history, a musician or movie, more obscure cuisine, anything. The more you know, the better the chance you pick up on something.
2) Don't try and dominate it and harsh people's buzz
3) Ask the person next to you whatsup, but not in a pleading way, be like you're trying to figure things out with something like "So did he (f) her in the butt or did she (f) him in the butt?" Usually that'll cause a time out, dude next to you will share and everyone has a big laugh. And then you can start in with some of the back and forth. You could be completely off but the fact that you were trying to follow things (point out gestures he made or some word) and the fact that you suggested something totally wacky that makes everyone laugh is always a good in. Try and toss in a word or three you pick up.
4) Ask what slang words me, as you're talking there's plenty of opportunities where you can mid-sentence ask something like "what's the Italian for Red Card/derby/some other sports term" or some lewd slang or alcohol or whatever.
5) It's better to hold and say something really good, than say many things that get no reaction.

Seriously, it's so easy to hang out with a group of other people who are all speaking a different language and not only get by, but actually have a good time, make new friends, and get invited back again. And guess what, suddenly you're comfortable in that situation. It doesn't even phase you. You won't even notice that everything's in a different language.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: VanIslander on June 25, 2020, 11:58:50 pm
It has been said numerous times that a key difference between Koreans and the Japanese is that you know where you stand with Koreans: their emotions/attitudes are quickly and easily seen, not hidden behind a facade of politeness and lies.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Cyanea on June 26, 2020, 12:07:54 am
Most of the rude Koreans are over 50 years old. Very few of the young people in Korea are mean. But sadly, a lot of the older ones are

Isn't that just an illusion that takes hold as you get older?

Koreans that are younger than you.. are not going to be mean to you because you're older.  Whereas Koreans that are older than you..aren't going to have any qualms about putting you in your place.

Over time this gives the impression that the younger generation is more polite.

wait. if you are invited out with a group of people and they spend the whole night talking in a language you don't understand -- knowing you don't speak this language -- you just put it down to "oh well i can't expect them to cater to me 24/7"? and you don't consider this behaviour rude?

Its obviously rude, yes, especially because they invited you along in the first instance.

A lot of it is insecurity, this is where you need to understand the history of the afrikaans. They like to bond together at the expense of the nearest outsider or english speaker because they are taught to bear a grudge from the boer war. So if one of them speaks to you in english they can be viewed as going soft by the others, a traitor on some level.

its a bit like the way Koreans were 20 years ago. They would not even speak to outsiders if they could possibly avoid it and if one did then they got ostracized and criticized  by other koreans. 

You were invited out by a bunch of Saffers with you as the guest of honor? They were already planning something and they invited you along? What exactly was the situation here? Or was this more like you were invited out for drinks with a Saffer coworker, he got texted/called up a friend, then that guy invited a mutual acquaintance or something and suddenly it's 5 Saffers and you? Was it a big group and with 5 Saffers and 5 non-Saffers and for 10 minutes the Saffers had the temerity to speak in another language? Or did a Saffer coworker say he was going to watch Rugby or Cricket or whatever because SA was playing and as a "polite" gesture he asked if you wanted to come and shocker, at The Workshop, during an SA match, they all spoke Afrikaans. Totally unforseen.

Have you ever thought about not being butthurt over them speaking Afrikaans or, gasp!, you trying to be proactive during all of this? If you've got any kind of smooth in you, you can find a way to join in. But I guess you don't have that.

I agree with oglop in this instance though because afrikaans behave like the french or quebequois. ie they have a sense of historical resentment that they lost out to the English. This chip on the shoulder means they always have something to prove.

Afrikaans are famous for their clique-ishness and herd mentality. Go to South Africa for a while, you'll understand. Very likely you won't be sticking up for them after the experience.


Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: VanIslander on June 26, 2020, 12:37:05 am
its a bit like the way Koreans were 20 years ago. They would not even speak to outsiders if they could possibly avoid it and if one did then they got ostracized and criticized  by other koreans.
Were you here in 2000?

I have been here for 18 years and I found Koreans MORE likely to talk to foreigners back then. We were an obvious novelty. They pointed, they gasped, they stared AND they tried hard to talk to us. These days we are a dime a dozen, rarely get a surprised look, often are left to our lonesome, making us feel less like a rockstar and more normal. I have had numerous conversations with other foreigners about this aspect of living here.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Cyanea on June 26, 2020, 01:37:47 am
Were you here in 2000?

I have been here for 18 years and I found Koreans MORE likely to talk to foreigners back then. We were an obvious novelty. They pointed, they gasped, they stared AND they tried hard to talk to us. These days we are a dime a dozen, rarely get a surprised look, often are left to our lonesome, making us feel less like a rockstar and more normal. I have had numerous conversations with other foreigners about this aspect of living here.

No I wasn't.. but that was my basic impression of Koreans met outside the country. .
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: oglop on June 26, 2020, 06:23:14 am
Depends on the setting and how you ended up there. As someone who hung out with a bunch of different groups and people of a different background, it's just something you learn how to roll with, being the only goy at dinner.

I do know that in some cases, subcultures might invite you out because the person who invites you wants to see if you can blend well because they like hanging out with you, but aren't sure if you'll be able to handle the setting. Can you prove out? If you're just going to bulldoze your way through it and try and make yourself the center of attention or if you're just going to silently sulk and eventually leave, then yeah, you just couldn't hang.

Tips, not jsut Saffers, any bilingual subgroup in general:
1) Know your crowd. Get a sense for how people play off of each other. Friendly insults? Tall tales? Words of loyalty? Do people take turns? Is it active and back and forth? Are there age dynamics? Is it serious? Is it casual? 
1b) Know a bit about their culture. Know a few major cities, what sports are big and what teams, some history, a musician or movie, more obscure cuisine, anything. The more you know, the better the chance you pick up on something.
2) Don't try and dominate it and harsh people's buzz
3) Ask the person next to you whatsup, but not in a pleading way, be like you're trying to figure things out with something like "So did he (f) her in the butt or did she (f) him in the butt?" Usually that'll cause a time out, dude next to you will share and everyone has a big laugh. And then you can start in with some of the back and forth. You could be completely off but the fact that you were trying to follow things (point out gestures he made or some word) and the fact that you suggested something totally wacky that makes everyone laugh is always a good in. Try and toss in a word or three you pick up.
4) Ask what slang words me, as you're talking there's plenty of opportunities where you can mid-sentence ask something like "what's the Italian for Red Card/derby/some other sports term" or some lewd slang or alcohol or whatever.
5) It's better to hold and say something really good, than say many things that get no reaction.

Seriously, it's so easy to hang out with a group of other people who are all speaking a different language and not only get by, but actually have a good time, make new friends, and get invited back again. And guess what, suddenly you're comfortable in that situation. It doesn't even phase you. You won't even notice that everything's in a different language.


"I do know that in some cases, subcultures might invite you out because the person who invites you wants to see if you can blend well because they like hanging out with you, but aren't sure if you'll be able to handle the setting. "

you hang out with some strange people. but it still sounds like you're ok with hanging out with a group of people who invited you out and ignore you for the whole night. nothing says "i like you" than refusing to speak to you for the entire night.

anyway, thanks for the tips on how to socialise, rainman
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: stoat on June 26, 2020, 06:51:38 am
Bizarre. Tips on how to make friends with people who ignore you all night. It reads like instructions for a spy or an undercover police officer whose mission is to infiltrate the group. Most people aren't that desperate.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: tylerthegloob on June 26, 2020, 07:01:20 am
don't touch waygook.org outside of work hours

thats one thing we can agree on. also i'm patiently awaiting your list
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Ronnie Omelettes on June 26, 2020, 07:07:44 am
anyway, thanks for the tips on how to socialise, rainman

Did he just write a long list for people here who are in their 30s+, have travelled a lot and have lived in foreign countries for numerous years, about how they should be socialising?   

It would seem my British ways of:

1:  Ordering as many pints as possible and drinking them as quick as possible.
2:  Avoid paying for any round by going the bogs at the opportune moment.
3:  Slurring my speech, while insisting everyone speaks proper English, like me and the queen, and Benedict Cuminmyhand.
4:  Have noticeable sweat patches under my arms.
5:  Making a point aggressively about when I got found a pork scratching with hair on it.
6:  Hook up with some minger and make the point of snogging her in front of everyone.
7:  Continue to be loud and obnoxious until kicking out time and then puking on the street outside the door. 

Obviously, I've been doing it all wrong, it would appear.  :undecided:
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: tylerthegloob on June 26, 2020, 07:41:23 am
Did he just write a long list for people here who are in their 30s+
ok boomer

(i'm so sorry ronnie. i'm so, so sorry...  :cry:)
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: oglop on June 26, 2020, 07:55:31 am
Did he just write a long list for people here who are in their 30s+, have travelled a lot and have lived in foreign countries for numerous years, about how they should be socialising?   

It would seem my British ways of:

1:  Ordering as many pints as possible and drinking them as quick as possible.
2:  Avoid paying for any round by going the bogs at the opportune moment.
3:  Slurring my speech, while insisting everyone speaks proper English, like me and the queen, and Benedict Cuminmyhand.
4:  Have noticeable sweat patches under my arms.
5:  Making a point aggressively about when I got found a pork scratching with hair on it.
6:  Hook up with some minger and make the point of snogging her in front of everyone.
7:  Continue to be loud and obnoxious until kicking out time and then puking on the street outside the door. 

Obviously, I've been doing it all wrong, it would appear.  :undecided:
wait..i didn't know you were Big Al, who i see (and avoid) down spoons every friday
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: VanIslander on June 26, 2020, 08:20:29 am
... going the bogs...

insisting everyone speaks proper English, ...

... I got found a pork scratching with hair...

... with some minger and make the point of snogging...
One.thing.is.not.like.the.others.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on June 26, 2020, 09:11:32 am
"I do know that in some cases, subcultures might invite you out because the person who invites you wants to see if you can blend well because they like hanging out with you, but aren't sure if you'll be able to handle the setting. "
You know this is a regular things with immigrants when you get invited to hang out with all the "Insert Group Xs" and you're the only non-X there, right? No one's going to hold your hand and fawn over you. I know you believe you're entitled to that, probably because that's what you do in SE Asia or as "Center of Attention Oglop Teacher" but that's not what's done.

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you hang out with some strange people. but it still sounds like you're ok with hanging out with a group of people who invited you out and ignore you for the whole night. nothing says "i like you" than refusing to speak to you for the entire night.
No one's refusing, but no one's going to hold your hand and spend the entire night treating you like some 6 year old who demands that everyone pay attention to them and talk about Ninja Turtles.

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anyway, thanks for the tips on how to socialise, rainman
The tips are for you, because you're the one that is apparently utterly helpless at socializing in such a situation.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on June 26, 2020, 09:16:31 am
Bizarre. Tips on how to make friends with people who ignore you all night. It reads like instructions for a spy or an undercover police officer whose mission is to infiltrate the group. Most people aren't that desperate.
Have you ever invited the one Korean out to join the group of waygooks? Maybe his English one on one is alright but get them in a group of foreigners who are bouncing back and forth and trading jokes and insults and stuff and their English disappears. Are you paying attention to them all night? Are you making sure to include them in everything and explain things? Or are people going to have their fun and do their thing? At some point they either have to be able to keep up or deal or it isn't going to work out because no one is going to spend the entire night speaking slowly and simply and talking about Gangwon-do.

It's the same effing thing, only this time YOU are the Korean. YOU are the one that has to manage.

Did he just write a long list for people here who are in their 30s+, have travelled a lot and have lived in foreign countries for numerous years, about how they should be socialising?   
Apparently oglop and stoat are so inept that they can't handle the basic social situation of being around people who are bilingual and expect said people to make them the center of attention and cater everything towards them 24-7.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: stoat on June 26, 2020, 10:42:39 am
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It's the same effing thing, only this time YOU are the Korean. YOU are the one that has to manage.


No it isn't the same effing thing, we were talking about South Africans working as NETs in Korea refusing to speak English in the pub. Do you really need it spelling out again?

A - is a native English speaker but doesn't speak or understand any Afrikaans
B, C, D, E. All speak Afrikaans and English fluently but decide to speak Afrikaans all night, despite inviting A out for the evening. In any social etiquette book in any country in the world, this = rude. OK?

This would only not be rude if the South Africans' English wasn't that great, but as LI pointed out, in that case what are they doing teaching English in Korea?
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: D.L.Orean on June 26, 2020, 10:51:23 am
No it isn't the same effing thing, we were talking about South Africans working as NETs in Korea refusing to speak English in the pub. Do you really need it spelling out again?

A - is a native English speaker but doesn't speak or understand any Afrikaans
B, C, D, E. All speak Afrikaans and English fluently but decide to speak Afrikaans all night, despite inviting A out for the evening. In any social etiquette book in any country in the world, this = rude. OK?

No, you're not doing it right. This is your opportunity to learn Afrikaans. And just interject yourself into the banter and hope you've got it right.

Just the other week I invited a Korean friend, who I communicate in English with, out for a beer with another English teacher. Me and the other English teacher decided to use German all night. I'm sure my Korean friend struggled because he knows absolutely no German. But he should've tried to get involved more. There's no way we were being rude.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: OnNut81 on June 26, 2020, 10:58:21 am

its a bit like the way Koreans were 20 years ago. They would not even speak to outsiders if they could possibly avoid it and if one did then they got ostracized and criticized  by other koreans. 


VanIslander was right.  That statement was completely fabricated.  It was not like that whatsoever twenty years ago.  And other Koreans without the language skills to really talk or socialize were openly envious of those that could. 
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: stoat on June 26, 2020, 11:11:09 am
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Just the other week I invited a Korean friend, who I communicate in English with, out for a beer with another English teacher. Me and the other English teacher decided to use German all night. I'm sure my Korean friend struggled because he knows absolutely no German. But he should've tried to get involved more. There's no way we were being rude.

I would just say 'Achtung Englischer Schweinhund!' or 'Vorsprung Durch Technik' every now and then and hope it fit in the context.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: OnNut81 on June 26, 2020, 11:17:57 am
Have you ever invited the one Korean out to join the group of waygooks? Maybe his English one on one is alright but get them in a group of foreigners who are bouncing back and forth and trading jokes and insults and stuff and their English disappears. Are you paying attention to them all night? Are you making sure to include them in everything and explain things?

It's the same effing thing, only this time YOU are the Korean. YOU are the one that has to manage.
Apparently oglop and stoat are so inept that they can't handle the basic social situation of being around people who are bilingual and expect said people to make them the center of attention and cater everything towards them 24-7.

Yeah, of course if you invite someone out and they are unfamiliar with the group you are going to go the extra mile to try and ensure they are comfortable.  Only someone with zero social skills would do anything but.  Someone, for instance, who would take the time to try and come up with a useless and untested manual on how to interact with a group that is capable of communicating with you but have chosen not to.  It would take someone with that level of social ignorance to not be extra attentive to someone they invited along. 

I would like to see Martino use those effective communication tips in real life. Imagine not picking up on the "we don't want you around" vibe and hanging on all night?  That would be awkward.  Of course, Martin will be on to tell us about the diverse neighbourhood he grew up in and that he honed those skills on the streetz of life.  Whereas all the rest of us that grew up in White City, Western Country wouldn't have encountered his unique multi-cultural upbringing. 
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Mr C on June 26, 2020, 11:28:51 am
Yeah, of course if you invite someone out and they are unfamiliar with the group you are going to go the extra mile to try and ensure they are comfortable.  Only someone with zero social skills would do anything but.  Someone, for instance, who would take the time to try and come up with a useless and untested manual on how to interact with a group that is capable of communicating with you but have chosen not to.  It would take someone with that level of social ignorance to not be extra attentive to someone they invited along. 

I would like to see Martino use those effective communication tips in real life. Imagine not picking up on the "we don't want you around" vibe and hanging on all night?   

I mean, he's still posting here, isn't he?
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: 745sticky on June 26, 2020, 11:29:29 am
I mean, he's still posting here, isn't he?

Bazinga
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Kyndo on June 26, 2020, 11:30:36 am
I would just say 'Achtung Englischer Schweinhund!' or 'Vorsprung Durch Technik' every now and then and hope it fit in the context.
Lots of pithy 3 word phrases that could be thrown in with a group of Germans. For example, I personally am a fan of "Wahrheit oder pflicht." (popular in many drinking establishments).
... although, come to think of it, you'd probably want to stay away from "Arbeit macht frei."  :sad:
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Liechtenstein on June 26, 2020, 11:39:25 am
ok boomer

(i'm so sorry ronnie. i'm so, so sorry...  :cry:)

Let's get this straight. Being called a boomer is a compliment not an insult. Also, anyone in their 30's or 40's is not a boomer.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: 745sticky on June 26, 2020, 11:42:35 am
Let's get this straight. Being called a boomer is a compliment not an insult. Also, anyone in their 30's or 40's is not a boomer.
(https://i.imgur.com/q3hAgwP.jpg)
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: oglop on June 26, 2020, 11:43:02 am
You know this is a regular things with immigrants when you get invited to hang out with all the "Insert Group Xs" and you're the only non-X there, right? No one's going to hold your hand and fawn over you. I know you believe you're entitled to that, probably because that's what you do in SE Asia or as "Center of Attention Oglop Teacher" but that's not what's done.
No one's refusing, but no one's going to hold your hand and spend the entire night treating you like some 6 year old who demands that everyone pay attention to them and talk about Ninja Turtles.
The tips are for you, because you're the one that is apparently utterly helpless at socializing in such a situation.
i thought we were talking about a group of south africans in korea, who are presumably here as english teachers.  not sure why you're making up these new scenarios.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Mr C on June 26, 2020, 11:47:49 am
Let's get this straight. Being called a boomer is a compliment not an insult. Also, anyone in their 30's or 40's is not a boomer.

Indeed.  I'm on the young end of boomer.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: OnNut81 on June 26, 2020, 11:52:42 am
I mean, he's still posting here, isn't he?

Good point.  And he's not even using any of his own tactics to be simpatico.  Hate to say it, but I think he was BSing us again. 
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: tylerthegloob on June 26, 2020, 11:54:25 am
Let's get this straight. Being called a boomer is a compliment not an insult. Also, anyone in their 30's or 40's is not a boomer.

whatever old man! jk i'm down with the elderly. let's talk about disco
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: 745sticky on June 26, 2020, 12:17:44 pm
Wait, considering the usual content of his posts, how is it even possible to tell when Martino is BSing?
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Liechtenstein on June 26, 2020, 04:14:16 pm
whatever old man! jk i'm down with the elderly. let's talk about disco

Do you play? Have you gigged? I do and have. While I was a teenager when the disco craze hit, I lacked the necessary appreciation. I was busy rockin' onstage to Zep, Tull, Purple, Grand Funk, Dobbie Bros. etc. Later, I understood just how amazing disco was and is.

ABBA. Bee Gees. just to name 2 stratospheric superstar groups    'nuff said.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: jamsilnaynay on July 11, 2020, 10:49:50 am
if you're with a group of people who all speak the same language, but they decide to exclude you by having a conversation in another language they know you don't understand..how is that not rude again?
Yeah it is very rude. It happened to me before in college, I was often the only non-Asian person in an otherwise Asian friend group. I speak three languages though, and I always do my best to include everyone in the conversation when they don't speak a language. Wish others would be as courteous

Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: gogators! on July 15, 2020, 10:40:09 pm
whatever old man! jk i'm down with the elderly. let's talk about disco
The boomers killed disco.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: monsieur_pook on December 08, 2020, 03:28:09 pm
I think this depends on whether you're in a big city or not. People are a lot more friendly in rural areas opposed to big cities
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Liechtenstein on December 11, 2020, 10:48:08 am
I think this depends on whether you're in a big city or not. People are a lot more friendly in rural areas opposed to big cities

Really. I spent 6 years in rural towns and I found the locals, percentage-wise in terms of friendliness and helpfulness, about the same as those in big cities.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Bobby_Digital on January 18, 2021, 01:33:06 am
They are not friendly even amongst themselves. Also since all and sundry moved from the provinces to Seoul, what gives? i

Are Koreans rude and cold? Hmm tough one, I'd say a lot of the youth are.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: SPQR on January 18, 2021, 08:57:16 am
I don't think Koreans are cold and rude.  However, I do think
they are the "rednecks" of Asia.  They litter, they spit, they have
minimal knowledge of etiquette and cuisine, they still crane
their necks to ogle foreigners.  They basically display signs of
being ignorant and parochial.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Kurt Sorensen on January 18, 2021, 10:31:48 am
What SPQR said. Most koreans I've come across have been warm and friendly. There are always a few dicks, but that's pretty normal. But, yeah, etiquette needs a bit of work. I don't go to restaurants anymore because I'm a drunk magnet. Every time a coconut, an inebriated man invites himself to our table. He completely ignores the fact that my wife, and/or children, and/or son-in-laws are also sitting at the table-all korean (or thereabouts), and tries to have a conversation with me. Or worse just stares at me and smiles. The last time I went out for chicken was December, 2019, under protest. Ten minutes after sitting down, same shit, different restaurant. The owner was watching and moved the guy on after 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Vivi on January 20, 2021, 01:37:06 pm
Guys I am sorry can somebody tell me how to PM in this Window 97 version website thing please?  :sad:
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Kyndo on January 21, 2021, 07:21:50 am
Guys I am sorry can somebody tell me how to PM in this Window 97 version website thing please?  :sad:
Click on the person's name.
Hover over the "Actions" button next to the "Profile" button.
Select the top option "Send Personal message"
Type your message.
Hit "send".
 :smiley:
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: KimchiNinja on February 20, 2021, 07:15:08 am
I define friendly as someone who smiles at people, says hello to strangers...

This is a cultural definition from the West, and not relevant in East Asia.

Actually, a person going around smiling and talking to strangers would be considered insane (by definition you don't know strangers, so why would you be pretending that you do?).
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: WhenInRome... on February 20, 2021, 09:16:12 am
Got tons of smiles and "ni haos" while hiking in Taipei, particularly from the older people. Had multiple people stop and make small talk with me. I am very shy, so all these interactions were initiated by them. I was incredibly surprised, especially since I had been living in Korea for three years when I first traveled there and was not expecting kindness.

Maybe they were insane, but it sure felt good!
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: confusedsafferinkorea on February 20, 2021, 04:29:22 pm
This is a cultural definition from the West, and not relevant in East Asia.

Actually, a person going around smiling and talking to strangers would be considered insane (by definition you don't know strangers, so why would you be pretending that you do?).

I call b/s on this. Taiwanese do it all the time, most friendly people on the planet. Happened in China too, The city I lived in was incredibly friendly (not the CCP officials though).
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: VanIslander on February 20, 2021, 05:33:29 pm
I think this depends on whether you're in a big city or not. People are a lot more friendly in rural areas opposed to big cities
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Aristocrat on February 20, 2021, 05:35:05 pm
This is a cultural definition from the West, and not relevant in East Asia.

Actually, a person going around smiling and talking to strangers would be considered insane (by definition you don't know strangers, so why would you be pretending that you do?).

Not exactly, there are many Westerners, including myself, who would not define friendly as attempting to start conversations with strangers. Likewise, you don't speak for all Asians, I'm pretty sure there are Asians who define friendly as going out of your way to chat to strangers.
The opposite of rude is not friendly, it's polite.

In the West and Asia, I'd view anyone trying to start a conversation with me, on the street, with suspicion.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: VanIslander on February 20, 2021, 05:38:40 pm
Don't focus on peope, but on culture.

If you have been introducted to someone, your treatment us exempliar.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: KimchiNinja on February 20, 2021, 10:57:35 pm
Don't focus on peope, but on culture.

If you have been introducted to someone, your treatment is exemplar.

Right, this is a very easy topic which any first-month-in-Korea person knows. You meet people thru formal introductions. Then it’s kindest place in the world. /thread

Yet somehow there’s pages of pedantic argumentation.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on February 21, 2021, 10:33:04 am
I call b/s on this. Taiwanese do it all the time, most friendly people on the planet. Happened in China too, The city I lived in was incredibly friendly (not the CCP officials though).
It's not even necessarilu much of a thing in the West. Like it can vary by neighborhood or region.

Also, there's a certain narcissism behind the idea of "I expect you to stop and interact with me in order to entertain me and feed my ego."
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: confusedsafferinkorea on February 21, 2021, 11:00:31 am
It's not even necessarilu much of a thing in the West. Like it can vary by neighborhood or region.

Also, there's a certain narcissism behind the idea of "I expect you to stop and interact with me in order to entertain me and feed my ego."

I guess much of one's opinion has to do with where you grew up. In my childhood we lived in a close community and in my adult life I lived in an even closer community . We had street bbq's often, we helped each other all the time. I am good with cars, so I maintained the neighborhood's cars, my immediate neighbor was an IT specialist, my other neighbor was awesome with bricklaying and welding, another was a horticulturalist. We had accountants, engineers and even a Supreme Court judge so we  were pretty much sorted and paid nothing or almost nothing for services. All the kids in the neighborhood had access to all their friends houses etc. so, I am quite used to that sort of life. I think if I grew up in a different community perhaps I would feel like KimchiNinja, but then again I am a friendly chap and make friends easily wherever I go, so maybe not.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: chimp on February 21, 2021, 02:03:16 pm
People here are reasonably friendly once you get to know them and make the effort.  There's a true point that the average Yank or millenial seems to want people to drop everything and entertain them. On the other hand, a lot of Westerners are let down by low-brow American pop culture. Some Koreans get the idea that y'all a bit dumb from it.

Also lol at confused lolfers impotent dig at "CCP" officials (I assume he means Communist Party of China, CPC officials). Truly lolable bathos. They're about the same level of self-importance as yer average State Department intern (if you've ever had to deal with such people).

Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: confusedsafferinkorea on February 21, 2021, 02:34:17 pm
They're about the same level of self-importance as yer average State Department intern (if you've ever had to deal with such people).


Not being an American, so no I haven't, but comparing them to the corrupt and evil CCP officials who steal, murder and harvest the organs from their own people hardly seems to be a fair comparison.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: VanIslander on February 22, 2021, 05:30:44 am
Forcing oneself into the elevator when people are trying to get out is rude and cold.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Chinguetti on February 22, 2021, 10:16:44 am
They're about the same level of self-importance as yer average State Department intern (if you've ever had to deal with such people).


Not being an American, so no I haven't, but comparing them to the corrupt and evil CCP officials who steal, murder and harvest the organs from their own people hardly seems to be a fair comparison.

You'll have to forgive kimchi, he lacks both nunchi and reading abilities because he's very ethnocentric, lol.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Kyndo on February 23, 2021, 08:27:16 am
... dig at "CCP" officials (I assume he means Communist Party of China, CPC officials).
"Communist Party of China" and "Chinese Communist Party" have very different connotations, but both are perfectly acceptable.
"CPC" is used in mainly in China, while the West generally uses "CCP".

Interesting that you prefer "CPC". Is the zoo that you live in a Chinese zoo?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: KimchiNinja on February 24, 2021, 07:20:37 am
"Communist Party of China" and "Chinese Communist Party" have very different connotations, but both are perfectly acceptable.
"CPC" is used in mainly in China, while the West generally uses "CCP".

“CCP” is used entirely by lowbrow sorts parroting back Western propaganda. The use of this incorrect acronym signals a lot about the person, so it’s quite handy.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: tylerthegloob on February 24, 2021, 08:57:43 am
big yikes ^^^ i bet this guy loves r/sino
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Kyndo on February 24, 2021, 09:03:35 am
“CCP” is used entirely by lowbrow sorts parroting back Western propaganda. The use of this incorrect acronym signals a lot about the person, so it’s quite handy.
Actually, everybody in the know calls it "中国共产党". Anything other than that and you're a cheese eating imperialist sympathizer.  :smiley:
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: tylerthegloob on February 24, 2021, 09:06:56 am
you lost me after middle country 中国 BRING OUT THE CHEESE BOIZ
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: 745sticky on February 24, 2021, 12:57:35 pm
big yikes ^^^ i bet this guy loves r/sino
i avoid reddit enough to not know what r/sino is, but i'm starting to get big tankie vibes. he definitely frequents at least a few of leftwing fb groups
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: KimchiNinja on February 26, 2021, 07:28:54 am
...but i'm starting to get big tankie vibes. he definitely frequents at least a few of leftwing fb groups

Westerncentric thought. But we’re in Asia; doesn’t apply here. Ex: recently 80% of Koreans said they trust Kim Jong-Un. So, ya’ll live in a “tankie” country. That makes you “tankie adjacent” lol.

FYI, American leftists hate me. They hate pretty much everyone though, shrug.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: confusedsafferinkorea on February 26, 2021, 07:30:41 am
KimchiN, what is your ethnicity? Just interested, no ulterior motives.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: OnNut81 on February 26, 2021, 07:48:56 am

FYI, American leftists hate me. They hate pretty much everyone though, shrug.

On an off note, I hate anyone who writes the word "shrug" after a sentence.  As if I'm supposed to picture them being perplexed by all of it.  It's like a teen texting thing someone hasn't grown out of.  Can't decide if that's worse than writing "sigh."  Annoyed just thinking about it.  Ok, my aside is finished. 
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: 745sticky on February 26, 2021, 08:30:55 am
Westerncentric thought. But we’re in Asia; doesn’t apply here. Ex: recently 80% of Koreans said they trust Kim Jong-Un. So, ya’ll live in a “tankie” country. That makes you “tankie adjacent” lol.

FYI, American leftists hate me. They hate pretty much everyone though, shrug.

is North Korea commie? i thought they were just a standard dictatorship

although i will grant you that american tankies do defend China a lot, which does usually mean defending N Korea occasionally by extension
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: L I on February 26, 2021, 08:56:58 am
A List of Current Communist Countries in the World
https://www.thoughtco.com/communist-countries-overview-1435178

(Short list!)
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on February 26, 2021, 10:26:28 am
KimchiN, what is your ethnicity? Just interested, no ulterior motives.
When he first popped up on this sight I thought Swamp Troll, however this recent erudite turn of his has me convinced that he belongs to the Skuthi, a rumored race of high troll from the mythical continent of Darkanna. Possibly such trolls were once evils who either through foul deed or curse were twisted into trolls. They lack usual troll weaknesses and are even more regenerative.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: 745sticky on February 26, 2021, 11:45:27 am
A List of Current Communist Countries in the World
https://www.thoughtco.com/communist-countries-overview-1435178

(Short list!)

i mean yeah they identify as communist but how communist are they really in function
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: L I on February 26, 2021, 12:35:24 pm
Communist = state control of the means of production, a centralized planned economy (rather than free market capitalism)?

They are very communist!

Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: L I on February 26, 2021, 12:43:10 pm
100 years of Communist Disaster
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wxMWs8RyLLI

Communism and Capitalism
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2bHbufJhOxA
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: tylerthegloob on February 26, 2021, 12:45:30 pm
**** a 2 for 1 stossel special. L I we've talked about this...
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: L I on February 26, 2021, 01:48:55 pm
C’mon, Xi, this is a free marketplace of ideas. Down with dictatorial communism! Up with capitalism!
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: tylerthegloob on February 26, 2021, 02:05:17 pm
 :blank:sir this is a wendy's. no one watches likes your videos
[edit] alternative thread title: is gloob rude and cold?
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: 745sticky on February 26, 2021, 02:45:35 pm
**** a 2 for 1 stossel special. L I we've talked about this...
C’mon, Xi, this is a free marketplace of ideas. Down with dictatorial communism! Up with capitalism!

this is possibly the most tragic exchange ive witnessed on this website, maybe ever
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: hangook77 on March 01, 2021, 08:50:27 pm
What's the point of speaking Afrikaans in the presence of NETs who can't understand it? That's exclusionary. Do they feel more comfortable and better able to articulate their thoughts in their mother tongue of Afrikaans than their non native language of English? Then they're not really NETs are they?

I thought if your mother tongue was Afrikaans, you weren't suppose to be working here.  I thought only if your mother tongue was English could you work here.  Immigration rule?  Folks speaking another language occasionally doesn't bother me, but it does bother other people as it can be viewed by some as being exclusionary.  So, if you speak multiple languages, you should try and speak the common language amongst everyone and not switch to another language only some can speak. 


http://www.epik.go.kr/contents.do?contentsNo=48&menuNo=275

I am not sure if it is enforced then?

"""Must have studied from at least the junior high level (7th Grade) and graduated from a university in one of the seven designated countries listed above. Applicants from areas such as South African, Quebec, etc. where significant portions of the population might not speak English as their primary language must provide proof that their schooling from 7th year/grade and through university was conducted in English. Letters from the schools will be sufficient proof and must be submitted with the applicant's initial application."""
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Kyndo on March 02, 2021, 07:16:03 am
It is enforced.
I had to show "proof" that my schooling was primarily in English from highschool and up.
Although, I gotta say, a vaguely English sounding school name qualifies as sufficient evidence that schooling was in English, so...

Also, I feel that during the interview, they were low-key assessing my English language abilities.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: CO2 on March 02, 2021, 07:55:07 am
Ahhhhh, I always wondered why I've never been checked for that. I suppose if you are FROM Quebec that makes more sense, though I know some guys from Hearst and they speak ZERO English. haha Patrice from 'Earst.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: hangook77 on March 02, 2021, 08:03:49 am
It is enforced.
I had to show "proof" that my schooling was primarily in English from highschool and up.
Although, I gotta say, a vaguely English sounding school name qualifies as sufficient evidence that schooling was in English, so...

Also, I feel that during the interview, they were low-key assessing my English language abilities.

Are the Africans schools name Africans and the English names are in English?  I guess many Koreans are good enough at English nowadays to detect.  I had wondered of that.  Of course welcome to the English speakers but keep out the non English speakers for giving us a bad name and for flooding the market too much.  Is this just an EPIK interview also or just an immigration check? 
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Kyndo on March 02, 2021, 08:51:58 am
Not always.
And sometimes the names are pretty generic so it's kind of difficult to tell what language it's in.
Also, if your school's name is, for example "Vuurvogel vrijeschool",  most people would already just translate the name when talking to other people ("Firebird Elementary school" in this particular example), so writing the English name on one's school list on a resume doesn't feel particularly odd or dishonest.
Code switching can be a really weird thing, sometimes.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: hangook77 on March 02, 2021, 08:57:25 am
Not always.
And sometimes the names are pretty generic so it's kind of difficult to tell what language it's in.
Also, if your school's name is, for example "Vuurvogel vrijeschool",  most people would already just translate the name when talking to other people ("Firebird Elementary school" in this particular example), so writing the English name on one's school list on a resume doesn't feel particularly odd or dishonest.
Code switching can be a really weird thing, sometimes.

But if you give some official letter or letterhead of the school, wouldn't the name be in the original language - Africans? 
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Kyndo on March 02, 2021, 09:01:16 am
In many places where English is one of the primary languages, you can request the docs in English. You can do this even in some non-English countries -- although it might cost a bit extra.
As for the letterhead, I don't think too many people glance at them. Anyway, half the time they're in Latin lol.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on March 02, 2021, 09:10:54 am
Of course welcome to the English speakers but keep out the non English speakers for giving us a bad name
Yeah, it's all the fault of those Quebecois and Afrikaaners that we get a bad name. Nothing we do at all.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: hangook77 on March 02, 2021, 09:38:49 am
In many places where English is one of the primary languages, you can request the docs in English. You can do this even in some non-English countries -- although it might cost a bit extra.

The name of the school on the official letterhead would still be an Africans name, No? 
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Kyndo on March 02, 2021, 09:59:58 am
It might be, yes. Doesn't *neccesarily* mean lessons are in Afrikaans, though. And vice versa, of course.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: OnNut81 on March 02, 2021, 11:28:56 am
Yeah, it's all the fault of those Quebecois and Afrikaaners that we get a bad name. Nothing we do at all.

I've been saying that for years.  Get rid of those unintelligible Afrikaaners and put da boot to dose Joe Louis eating Pepsis.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Kyndo on March 02, 2021, 11:34:54 am
Also, Texans. Can anybody actually understand them when they talk?
Oh, and people from West Aus. People in them wop-wops are totes unintelligible.
And CO2. He talks in memes.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: CO2 on March 02, 2021, 11:35:57 am
And CO2. He talks in memes.
Kyndo is bainting me to make a meme for him.

Maybe I will, maybe I won't.
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: Kyndo on March 02, 2021, 11:37:16 am
Kyndo is bainting me to make a meme for him.

Maybe I will, maybe I won't.
"Bainting" is clearly meme-talk for "ain't baiting".  :azn:
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: CO2 on March 02, 2021, 11:37:56 am
"Bainting" is clearly meme-talk for "ain't baiting".  :azn:

(https://i.imgflip.com/500ep6.jpg)
Title: Re: Are Koreans rude and cold?
Post by: hangook77 on March 02, 2021, 12:56:17 pm
It might be, yes. Doesn't *neccesarily* mean lessons are in Afrikaans, though. And vice versa, of course.

Of course, I just wondered how Korean immigration or the EPIK program viewed it?