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Title: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: stoat on April 20, 2020, 03:35:39 pm
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Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: oglop on April 20, 2020, 04:41:12 pm
come on then. everyone posts their BMIs
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: stoat on April 20, 2020, 04:47:39 pm
You first
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: oglop on April 20, 2020, 04:51:21 pm
well now i have to go and calculate it

21.1.   happy? not sure what means though. is it good? am i winning?
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: stoat on April 20, 2020, 05:03:08 pm
Sounds like a bit of an excuse for a humble brag to me  :wink:
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: oglop on April 20, 2020, 05:16:03 pm
oh yes. bragging about how skinny and incredibly weak i am. anyway, you asked!
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Aristocrat on April 20, 2020, 05:26:27 pm
Where's the athletic or muscular option? BMI isn't quite a good indicator for athletes, Body Fat index or fitness standards are a better indicators.

186cm
84kg
11% BF (January was the last time I checked, gym has a BF scale, weight and definition seems constant since then)

4.76sec 40yd PB FAT (2019)
220kg deadlift 1R max
100kg Bench 1R max

I'll make an exception and be a bit cocky today.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: stoat on April 20, 2020, 05:53:27 pm
oh yes. bragging about how skinny and incredibly weak i am. anyway, you asked!

Once you get past the stage where you have to impress females, the only issue is how much you can eat/drink without getting fat IMO. Therefore skinny is best.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: oglop on April 20, 2020, 06:21:00 pm
Once you get past the stage where you have to impress females, the only issue is how much you can eat/drink without getting fat IMO. Therefore skinny is best.
basically. noticed i've put on a few pounds recently though, without eating/drinking any more than usual. it's all catching up to me. my metabolism is finally slowing. ahhhhhh
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Aristocrat on April 20, 2020, 06:40:52 pm
basically. noticed i've put on a few pounds recently though, without eating/drinking any more than usual. it's all catching up to me. my metabolism is finally slowing. ahhhhhh

Your metabolism does slow down with age, but it isn't as significant as people think.

What usually happens is that sedentary people's metabolic rate slows down, they maintain the same lifestyle and put on a kg or 2, the extra weight makes them feel more tired and they become even more sedentary and so on.

A person's habits has a far greater influence on their metabolic rate than their age.

Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: oglop on April 20, 2020, 07:35:46 pm
Well I've basically stayed the same weight since I was 20 (til now). Nowt's changed but age. But at least winter / corona is almost over, lots of time to be out and about
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: JNM on April 20, 2020, 10:57:21 pm
Where's the athletic or muscular option? BMI isn't quite a good indicator for athletes, Body Fat index or fitness standards are a better indicators.

186cm
84kg
11% BF (January was the last time I checked, gym has a BF scale, weight and definition seems constant since then)

4.76sec 40yd PB FAT (2019)
220kg deadlift 1R max
100kg Bench 1R max

I'll make an exception and be a bit cocky today.

Was going to post something similar.

100 kg
171 cm

BMI = 34 (obese)

39% muscle mass (high, on border between normal and athletic)

33% fat (high as well)

I must have small bones (not!)

(All according to my InBody home scale)

I’m more “Dad bod” than “fatso”.

I walk about 5 km a day (less with social distance happening) but don’t do much else.

Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: #basedcowboyshirt on April 21, 2020, 07:49:57 am
Lol I'm fat. 26.0 BMI (overweight).

Three years ago I had a 20.0 BMI :(
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: theman3285 on April 21, 2020, 07:59:12 am
For those interested in working out at home, I bought a couple of these recently...

http://global.gmarket.co.kr/item?goodsCode=1635680818

http://global.gmarket.co.kr/item?goodsCode=1717710832

Expensive but pretty awesome. Just wish they went a bit higher than 24kg (for dumbbell press mainly).

Anyway, I have most of my bases covered between these, a flat bench, and a telescopic pull-up bar. The pull-up bar is the door frame type, except it screws outward and wedges itself between the vertical surfaces of the door frame. No screws necessary (happy landlord) and super sturdy. I found all of the above on Gmarket.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: shanebarry1986 on April 21, 2020, 08:12:26 am
BMI 22.3

172cm

66kg

Most of that is organs and farts though.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: theman3285 on April 21, 2020, 08:24:28 am
Seems I'm the tallest in this thread, at 190cm  ;D
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Aristocrat on April 21, 2020, 08:26:52 am
For those interested in working out at home, I bought a couple of these recently...

http://global.gmarket.co.kr/item?goodsCode=1635680818

http://global.gmarket.co.kr/item?goodsCode=1717710832

Expensive but pretty awesome. Just wish they went a bit higher than 24kg (for dumbbell press mainly).

Anyway, I have most of my bases covered between these, a flat bench, and a telescopic pull-up bar. The pull-up bar is the door frame type, except it screws outward and wedges itself between the vertical surfaces of the door frame. No screws necessary (happy landlord) and super sturdy. I found all of the above on Gmarket.

I was thinking of getting those for my wife, she hates adjusting dumbbells.

I bought 2-layers of cheap gym floor padding, cat scratched the crap out of one end, but it's still pretty sizeable.
I have a flat bench and a simple squat rack with a barbell loaded to 100kg.
Other equipment for home are resistance bands (one of the best purchases for a home gym, hands down), bosu ball and stability ball.

These guys sell decent equipment at good prices.
http://frogfitness.co.kr/
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: stoat on April 21, 2020, 08:29:47 am
Please don't derail this into another tedious fitness thread. There are plenty of those elsewhere.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: L I on April 21, 2020, 08:33:07 am
Health is wealth; we’re trying to help each other.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: theman3285 on April 21, 2020, 08:33:50 am
Please don't derail this into another tedious fitness thread. There are plenty of those elsewhere.
What else are we supposed to talk about while we wait for your BMI reveal?
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: stoat on April 21, 2020, 08:35:54 am
As others have pointed out, BMI is not a clear indicator of fatness/obesity, so whoever introuduced it in the first place was muddying the waters.  You don't need it to work out whether you could lose a few pounds or not.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Kyndo on April 21, 2020, 08:43:40 am
The pull-up bar is the door frame type, except it screws outward and wedges itself between the vertical surfaces of the door frame. No screws necessary (happy landlord) and super sturdy. I found all of the above on Gmarket.

I've actually been looking for exactly this so I can mount a bar in my balcony for hanging plants.
I've looked all over gmarket and Amazon, but couldn't find anything that supports more than 15 kgs. Anything heftier were telescoping plus screws.  :sad:
Would you mind posting a link?

Also, just out of idle curiosity, wouldn't the outward tension required to support the weight of an average person doing pull ups completely distort the door frame? We recently ripped out a few when renovating our apartment, and they're flimsy as heck. I suppose if you have concrete walls behind the frame, that might prevent them from collapsing outward, but they would still get all bent out, wouldn't they?


   And just to be on topicish, I've had the same BMI, more or less, since uni, which I'm hugely grateful for. I run everyday, but more so that I'm not a zombie in the mornings.
   Would definitely recommend: a half hour run and a shower is oodles better than a pot of coffee and a kilo of sugar (although I do that too. It takes a lot... (https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/with-our-powers-combined-gif-10.gif)).
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: #basedcowboyshirt on April 21, 2020, 08:52:29 am
I'm lucky that my apartment has chin-up bars right in front of it.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: oglop on April 21, 2020, 08:54:51 am
As others have pointed out, BMI is not a clear indicator of fatness/obesity, so whoever introuduced it in the first place was muddying the waters. 
Well which idiot did that?
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: stoat on April 21, 2020, 09:00:55 am
Well which idiot did that?

Ha, ha, it's pretty much academic now anyway as this thread's firmly on its way to another let's bang on about equipment fest.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: stoat on April 21, 2020, 09:05:31 am
Health is wealth; we’re trying to help each other.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guesstimate there's quite a lot of this kind of stuff available on YouTube.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: theman3285 on April 21, 2020, 09:07:21 am
I've actually been looking for exactly this so I can mount a bar in my balcony for hanging plants.
I've looked all over gmarket and Amazon, but couldn't find anything that supports more than 15 kgs. Anything heftier were telescoping plus screws.  :sad:
Would you mind posting a link?

Also, just out of idle curiosity, wouldn't the outward tension required to support the weight of an average person doing pull ups completely distort the door frame?

This is the one I got:

http://global.gmarket.co.kr/item?goodsCode=204223156

Cheap as chips and solid as a rock. If you expand the description and scroll down you can see it supporting the weight of an entire family. No damage to the door frame, but your mileage may vary. Obviously if you're using it to hang a couple of plants you don't have to twist it out too far, hence relieving pressure on the frame.

Side note: It actually came with a couple of screws/mounting plates, but they're completely optional. I didn't use them and haven't experienced any problems with it supporting my 90kg bodyweight.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: stoat on April 21, 2020, 09:07:43 am
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. Let's not derail *this* thread with an argument about whether or not *another* thread was derailed by the discussion of religion!

You've already made sure that's not going to happen, haven't you?
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Kyndo on April 21, 2020, 09:09:11 am
Yep. Although, for fairness' sake, I deleted my own comment about it too.  :smiley:


This is the one I got:
http://global.gmarket.co.kr/item?goodsCode=204223156
Cheap as chips and solid as a rock...

Thanks for this!
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Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Nokcha on April 21, 2020, 09:09:23 am
You've got this wrong....

Most Korean teachers are too skinny.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: L I on April 21, 2020, 09:14:56 am
58 percent of overweight students incorrectly described themselves as normal weight. Among the obese, 75 percent placed themselves in the overweight category, and only 10 percent accurately described their body size.

https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/18/are-most-people-in-denial-about-their-weight/

The tendency for people to underestimate their body sizes, according to studies in the United States, Canada, Europe and elsewhere, is remarkably consistent across cultures and age groups.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: theman3285 on April 21, 2020, 09:16:51 am
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Haha, nice one
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: L I on April 21, 2020, 09:17:49 am
TL;DR:
Obese people think they’re merely overweight. Overweight people think they’re normal weight.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Aristocrat on April 21, 2020, 09:28:38 am
That post was very much on topic as it gave you some useful advice about how to have a healthier body. You just didn't like it as it criticized something you believe in strongly. Though you were quite happy to have a go at older people (boomers') beliefs.

No, it was you trying to be a dick. Criticism of my Religion doesn't bother me in the slightest, I've seen far, far worse criticisms than your weak little barbs. My best friend in Korea is probably one of the most hard-lined Atheists and we even have Religious discussions on occasion. We remain friends because we're both smart enough to understand that trying to convince the other to adopt different Religious beliefs is completely pointless... why would we want to? So, we simply enjoy mutual interests.

There are IF guys much fitter and stronger than myself and they sustain that lifestyle year-round, I do it for a month. I was asking them for advice. The day I wish to have a constructive and intelligent discussion about Religion, I'll know to avoid you.

When there's such a thing as "Boomer Religion" or the "Boomer Church" I'll stop criticizing it, out of respect. Since it's part of culture, it's fair game.

You still haven't contributed to this thread.

Sorry everyone else, I'll stop discussing Religion.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: stoat on April 21, 2020, 09:33:56 am
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When there's such a thing as "Boomer Religion" or the "Boomer Church" I'll stop criticizing it, out of respect. Since it's part of culture, it's fair game.

Ah, OK so your religion is off limits because you deem it separate from culture. Sorry, it's 2020 we've moved on from that. People believe strongly in a lot of things nowadays that aren't religions. You dont get a pass any more.

 
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You still haven't contributed to this thread.

I set up the thread and was the first person to vote in it, using the voting buttons supplied.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Aristocrat on April 21, 2020, 09:36:10 am
Not to be a buzzkill, but an issue I notice is that people spend far too much time commenting on the weight and health of others.

Get your own ass in order.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: CO2 on April 21, 2020, 09:38:34 am
Get your own ass in order.

My GF takes care of that for me.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Aristocrat on April 21, 2020, 09:44:29 am
My GF takes care of that for me.

You sure that's your GF?
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: CO2 on April 21, 2020, 09:51:07 am
You sure that's your GF?

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Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: oglop on April 21, 2020, 10:13:52 am
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Think she's up for a threesome?
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: CO2 on April 21, 2020, 10:18:58 am
Think she's up for a threesome?
God help me, I will have you sectioned.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: alexisalex on April 21, 2020, 10:20:01 am
Not to be a buzzkill, but an issue I notice is that people spend far too much time commenting on the weight and health of others.

Get your own ass in order.

Lol behave!  You regularly slag people off for the clothes they wear and for being overweight.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Aristocrat on April 21, 2020, 10:43:28 am
Lol behave!  You regularly slag people off for the clothes they wear and for being overweight.

When I criticize people for dressing like homeless bums, particularly at work, it's usually against people who defend that kind of practice; they adopt a standpoint, I'm entitled to counter with mine.

On a related not, when people complain about the heat and and the necessity to cover their hairy legs and toes at work, I suggest that the fat in their body is likely the culprit for why the can't keep cool; so the problem lies with you, not the dress-code.

Nobody here is supporting obesity as a healthy lifestyle, meaning mocking someone here who is overweight would be in poor taste.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Chinguetti on April 21, 2020, 11:22:04 am
My BMI is not accurate since I put in a lot of time to weight-lift. I have dense bones and muscle to begin with, too, thanks to my dad's side of the family, so I always actually weigh around 20-30 pounds (9-14 kg) more than I look (depending on how much I'm lifting during certain times of the year). It surprises everyone.

I'm no Ms. Fitness, but I'm at a healthy size for my height and build.

No idea what my fat % is, I should visit a place with one of those tanks to help measure it.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on April 21, 2020, 11:30:12 am
I'm Kim Jong Il, not Kim Jong Eun.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: CO2 on April 21, 2020, 11:34:58 am
I'm Kim Jong Il, not Kim Jong Eun.
I'm Kim Yuna.

Wait, I can't skate. I'm a terrible Canadian.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: alexisalex on April 21, 2020, 12:36:03 pm
When I criticize people for dressing like homeless bums, particularly at work, it's usually against people who defend that kind of practice; they adopt a standpoint, I'm entitled to counter with mine.

Well not really when you start a new thread, unprompted, to make a bullet point list of how people at your orientation don't dress well in your opinion.  It points to an ugly personality in my view, but do whatever makes you feel good I suppose.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: tylerthegloob on April 21, 2020, 12:40:22 pm
Wait, I can't skate. I'm a terrible Canadian.

dude you can't even skate? what've you been doing all your life?

anyway im more of a kim jong-kook myself (jk that dude's way more ripped than me)
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: CO2 on April 21, 2020, 12:43:53 pm
dude you can't even skate? what've you been doing all your life?

Cycling. haha
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Kayos on April 21, 2020, 01:00:20 pm
Well not really when you start a new thread, unprompted, to make a bullet point list of how people at your orientation don't dress well in your opinion.  It points to an ugly personality in my view, but do whatever makes you feel good I suppose.

I agree with this.

Also, in my opinion, "dressed well" is something completely subjective. For example, I hate the look of suits, and I don't think people are dressed well when wearing one. Common opinion tends to be opposite to mine. I tend to think, dressed well is dressed comfortably, so casual stuff is what I tend to consider being "dressed well."
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: tylerthegloob on April 21, 2020, 01:20:02 pm
whhhaaaaaaatt? i'm comfortable in sweatpants. if i wear sweatpants to school, am i dressed well? if i'm at a wedding in sweatpants, i'm definitely not dressed well. whether someone is dressed well or not had no relationship with whether they're comfortable. more importantly, in both situations, "I" wouldn't be dressed appropriately.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: nightninja on April 21, 2020, 01:26:56 pm
People all dress nicely/casually according to their own style and circumstances. For me personally, I always tend to wear clothes bigger than my actual size because I don't really have a good self-image,  I know it doesn't look the best. Additionally, I also do not really have any nice clothes because I find it hard to find clothes, especially pants, dresses, skirts that fit me correctly in Korea, not impossible just very difficult. I usually need to go to Seoul for clothes, and even then might not find something that fits my style, size, body shape compared with other Korean women who can easily find things.

I have winter clothing, but not much for summer. My husband absolutely hates spending money, so it's a battle if I want to purchase new clothes, despite not having much appropriate for work, because he doesn't quite understand and his style is old man style. He thinks I can just wear his clothes.....while he is taller, I tend to like longer pants etc so I can wear his clothes....but they do not look feminine or appropriate for work....at home sure. So if I want to buy clothes he tells me I should make sure he can wear it too and even tries the items on, just to save money. I won't let him get his way on that but its still a hassle. I can buy stuff, but just don't get the time to go shopping in Seoul on my own too often, as I live quite far away.

So while I doubt many NETs here have my second problem, many might have the first one....and money issues too.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: theman3285 on April 21, 2020, 01:31:34 pm
Easy to spot the Shaggy types in this thread. I remember my orientation... there was even a guy with a ponytail. Like wtf?

I applaud Aristocrat for taking great pride in his appearance and calling out the scruff.

Everybody should be working out regularly and having their hair cut at least once every three weeks. And for God's sake, never wear untapered cargo pants and those oversized skate shoes like it's 1999 or something.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: OnNut81 on April 21, 2020, 01:32:50 pm
Aristocrat's posts generally fall into one of four categories:

1. The minutiae of my various workout regimens.

2. Why I am better than you at...

3. Idiotic things my co-teachers did today.

4. Idiotic things my wife's co-teachers did today.

In this thread he has checked off two of the boxes and at least three today alone. 

Try to keep up with that wimps!
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: hangook77 on April 21, 2020, 01:39:40 pm
Well which idiot did that?

Yeah, it depends on muscle mass, etc.  Even height weight ratios are not always accurate.  Having a large bone structure versus a small one also makes a difference.  That said, morbidly obese is still morbidly obese. 

As for the rest of it, I suspect most folks, myself included, could stand to lose a few pounds.  But, I am not obese.  Weight goes up and down sometimes.  That said, lots of Asians, Koreans Chinese, etc are overweight nowadays.  A lot of younger folks not smoking compared to older folks here too.  So, appetite is less suppressed than before.  Koreans use to have extreme social pressure to stay really skinny, like rail line skinny a decade ago.  Korean women loved you being rail line thin at the time.  Nowadays, they aren't so crazy about the starving look. 
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: stoat on April 21, 2020, 02:12:14 pm
Probably still some votes to come in but looks like LI was wrong about most NETs being overweight - on this site at least. Perhaps you were basing it on something else like people you met or your orientation. The majority of Korea NETs are pretty young so are more likely to be thin than a normal cross section of Westerners.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Aristocrat on April 21, 2020, 02:24:41 pm
Aristocrat's posts generally fall into one of four categories:

1. The minutiae of my various workout regimens.

Someone enjoying discussing things they're passionate about??? You're pulling my leg.

2. Why I am better than you at...

Given, I've always been incredibly competitive, particularly in sports. If I made you feel inadequate, I do apologize. 

3. Idiotic things my co-teachers did today.

I've said about 50X, I use this site to vent.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: L I on April 21, 2020, 02:34:24 pm
Stoat:

What people believe to be true about themselves and what is actually true are two different things.

Four out of five rate their intelligence to be above average. (I guess one out of five pick merely average.) That’s a statistical impossibility.

Study after study shows the majority of obese people don’t think they’re obese and the majority of overweight people don’t think they’re overweight.

This is why a self reported assessment can’t be trusted.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: OnNut81 on April 21, 2020, 02:36:18 pm
Someone enjoying discussing things they're passionate about??? You're pulling my leg.

Given, I've always been incredibly competitive, particularly in sports. If I made you feel inadequate, I do apologize. 

I've said about 50X, I use this site to vent.

But, you have a problem when others do?  Pretty defensive response.  Lighten up and don't take things here too seriously.  It's just a site for venting and fun jibes for the most part. 
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: oglop on April 21, 2020, 02:57:10 pm
I agree with this.

Also, in my opinion, "dressed well" is something completely subjective. For example, I hate the look of suits, and I don't think people are dressed well when wearing one. Common opinion tends to be opposite to mine. I tend to think, dressed well is dressed comfortably, so casual stuff is what I tend to consider being "dressed well."
That's why I wear Bermuda shorts and a wife beater for job interviews and funerals. I mean hey, it's all subjective, right? ;)
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: stoat on April 21, 2020, 02:57:56 pm
Stoat:

What people believe to be true about themselves and what is actually true are two different things.

Four out of five rate their intelligence to be above average. (I guess one out of five pick merely average.) That’s a statistical impossibility.

Study after study shows the majority of obese people don’t think they’re obese and the majority of overweight people don’t think they’re overweight.

This is why a self reported assessment can’t be trusted.

Maybe so, but still curious about what evidence you're basing your statement on. 
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: tylerthegloob on April 21, 2020, 03:03:43 pm
none, it's just a guess. also if he's wrong he'll say he meant something else that happens to fit the actual data (if it exists and anyone bothers to look it up)
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: L I on April 21, 2020, 03:12:46 pm
I’m basing it on my eyes.

NETs are fatter than their Korean colleagues generally speaking. Including stoat.

Western countries have majority overweight populations so why would it be inconceivable that most NETs are overweight, especially among posters here, as this forum tends to skew older.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Kayos on April 21, 2020, 03:14:19 pm
That's why I wear Bermuda shorts and a wife beater for job interviews and funerals. I mean hey, it's all subjective, right? ;)

I'd personally have no problem about that. Last funeral I went to again, shorts and casual t. No one really cared.
For job interviews, I go based on what I assume they would want. Though, last interview I done was online; I was in a sleeping bag and casual t-shirt and the guy didn't care. Got offered the job too but turned it down, as I ended up wanting to stay where I am for another year.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: CO2 on April 21, 2020, 03:15:02 pm
I’m basing it on my eyes.

NETs are fatter than their Korean colleagues generally speaking. Including stoat.

Are you implying he's stout?
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: oglop on April 21, 2020, 03:16:30 pm
And I'm basing on my eyes that waygook users with a capital L and I in their names talk a lot of shite
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: L I on April 21, 2020, 03:18:23 pm
He said he’s overweight before. So yeah, it’s true.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: oglop on April 21, 2020, 03:18:43 pm
I'd personally have no problem about that. Last funeral I went to again, shorts and casual t. No one really cared.
For job interviews, I go based on what I assume they would want. Though, last interview I done was online; I was in a sleeping bag and casual t-shirt and the guy didn't care. Got offered the job too but turned it down, as I ended up wanting to stay where I am for another year.
I was only joking. Of course it all depends on the situation, context and expectations
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: L I on April 21, 2020, 03:25:27 pm
Anyways, I didn’t start this thread. The takeaway is humans can’t really be trusted to give accurate information or know what they’re talking about. Not just some but most. 90% rate their driving ability as above average. How can that be? Human nature is flawed.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: oglop on April 21, 2020, 03:37:59 pm
Anyways, I didn’t start this thread. The takeaway is humans can’t really be trusted to give accurate information or know what they’re talking about. Not just some but most. 90% rate their driving ability as above average. How can that be? Human nature is flawed.
gah! it's like r/selfawarewolves
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: stoat on April 21, 2020, 03:53:55 pm
I’m basing it on my eyes.

NETs are fatter than their Korean colleagues generally speaking. Including stoat.

Western countries have majority overweight populations so why would it be inconceivable that most NETs are overweight, especially among posters here, as this forum tends to skew older.

I agree it wouldn't be inconceivable, that's why I started the poll. However, as you know all sorts of other variables would enter into the result. E.g. Age as i mentioned before, but others such as class - degree holders will overall be more middle class than non degree holders, lower classes tend to be fatter.  People who are prepared to travel long distances to work may be more active generally,  arts students v science students, men v women,  etc.

It's also a little bizarre to come out with a statement like that and then say you said it because it's statistically most likely

E.g. A: Most people where I work are men.
B: Are they?
A: Well, yes because the majority of the Korean workforce are men.
B: Eh?

Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: L I on April 21, 2020, 07:04:43 pm
Around 78% of obese and 52% of morbidly (extremely) obese people in South Africa astonishingly consider themselves to be healthy.
https://www.health24.com/Diet-and-nutrition/News/Obese-people-in-denial-report-finds-20130210

The proportion of obese adults selecting the term ‘obese’ to describe their body size was very low in both women (13% in 2007 and 11% in 2012) and men (4% in 2007 and 7% in 2012)
https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/4/11/e005561.full?sid=ef1e9018-cd8a-4c5e-8ed9-f52b04290546
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: tylerthegloob on April 22, 2020, 07:41:31 am
(repeatedly) trying to prove that most people under-report how overweight they are does nothing to prove the claim that most NETs are overweight (just that this thread's poll doesn't provide useful data)
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: madison79 on April 24, 2020, 10:13:48 am
come on then. everyone posts their BMIs

BMI is crap way of checking. 
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: stoat on April 24, 2020, 10:21:55 am
Yeah, 'can you pinch an inch?' was much better.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: alexisalex on April 24, 2020, 10:28:43 am
I definitely think I've put on a little bit of weight since the virus stuff started  :cry:
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: nightninja on April 24, 2020, 10:38:54 am
I definitely think I've put on a little bit of weight since the virus stuff started  :cry:

me too. my taekwondo test was delayed by 9 months....the good thing is  I don't have the cravings for eating out much anymore but the lack of activity...yeah
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Chinguetti on April 24, 2020, 10:48:25 am
BMI is crap way of checking. 

It's basically the most inaccurate way of checking because it's based on comparing you to an average, and that average isn't formulated to accommodate anything that could affect those numbers.

For people who don't understand why this matters, bodybuilders are considered morbidly obese according to their BMIs.

It's just the fastest way of determining where you might sit on a scale. And while most people do fit within certain ranges for their heights and builds, your BMI is going to be widely inaccurate if your makeup falls even a little outside of the calculated norm.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: L I on April 24, 2020, 11:09:50 am
For people who don't understand why this matters, bodybuilders are considered morbidly obese according to their BMIs.

Morbidly obese? Maybe just obese or just overweight? Unless we are talking juiced up top bodybuilder in the world Phil Heath types.

More commonly it goes the other way, telling skinny fat people who lack muscle and have thin bones that they are in a normal weight category.

That said, BMI is better than nothing and most people unaware of how overweight they are didn't even do a BMI calculation. In most most cases they are unaware of what that is. 
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: L I on April 24, 2020, 11:12:11 am
A better way to calculate is waist measurement. Also body fat percentage check. Which is not exactly perfect, but is a good general guide. Won't be too far off.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Aristocrat on April 24, 2020, 11:19:38 am
It's basically the most inaccurate way of checking because it's based on comparing you to an average, and that average isn't formulated to accommodate anything that could affect those numbers.

For people who don't understand why this matters, bodybuilders are considered morbidly obese according to their BMIs.

It's just the fastest way of determining where you might sit on a scale. And while most people do fit within certain ranges for their heights and builds, your BMI is going to be widely inaccurate if your makeup falls even a little outside of the calculated norm.

It's somewhat useful as a quantitative measure i.e. If you're a researcher asked to get results from 10 000 people in 3 days.

The best way to determine how fat/thin you are is your BF index (figure out how much fat is in your body). There are different methods, but overall, the most effective method is the objective eye; take a picture of yourself in your undies and compare that picture to a few different body fat charts (easy to find on Google). Average those out and there you go.

A dexa scan will be more accurate, but seeing the numbers go up or down over time is the real goal and who has the money to go for dexa scans every month?
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Aristocrat on April 24, 2020, 11:22:44 am
A better way to calculate is waist measurement. Also body fat percentage check. Which is not exactly perfect, but is a good general guide. Won't be too far off.

Men and women's bodies have evolved to store fat in different places. With men, it's usually around the gut, but there are definitely exceptions in both cases. Using that method wont give the same results for different people of the same BF percentage.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Chinguetti on April 24, 2020, 11:25:03 am
Morbidly obese? Maybe just obese or just overweight?

Nope, morbidly obese, lol. These are people with 1-2% body fat, but with a lot of muscle, and muscle is a lot more dense than fat, so it weighs more.

They're not actually morbidly obese, of course, but their BMIs say they are. It's just kind of an extreme example of how inaccurate BMI can be. My own BMI says that I'm overweight, but if you were to see me irl you'd probably want to feed me, lol.

This is why you can have some people who'll commit to an exercise regimen that focuses a lot on building muscle, and they'll be trimming fat and shrinking down in clothing sizes, but their weights barely change.

BMI is just a ballpark number. It can be and is helpful for giving people a good idea of where they should be at on an average scale, but that's it. If you don't fit within the average of that scale, it's not going to work for you at all.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: L I on April 24, 2020, 11:40:56 am
Nope, morbidly obese, lol. These are people with 1-2% body fat

Where did you get this information? Humans can't get down to a body fat percentage that low, even with steroids.

4-6% is the physiological limit according to some research. I guess some genetic freaks can get slightly below that, but not by much, and only for a brief amount of time.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: L I on April 24, 2020, 11:46:34 am
https://legionathletics.com/how-to-calculate-body-fat/
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Chinguetti on April 24, 2020, 11:47:39 am
Where did you get this information? Humans can't get down to a body fat percentage that low, even with steroids.

4-6% is the physiological limit according to some research. I guess some genetic freaks can get slightly below that, but not by much, and only for a brief amount of time.

No, it's possible to get down to those numbers, but you have to have a very strict workout routine and lifestyle and eat crazy amounts of food in order to maintain it. This is why professional bodybuilders have "seasons" lol. They don't do it year round, it's a difficult lifestyle to maintain. They only go no-holds-barred when they're getting ready for competition, and that's when they're getting down to around 1-2% body fat.

You should watch a bodybuilding documentary. You'll be calling that entire industry insane. xD
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: shanebarry1986 on April 24, 2020, 11:56:45 am
No, it's possible to get down to those numbers, but you have to have a very strict workout routine and lifestyle and eat crazy amounts of food in order to maintain it. This is why professional bodybuilders have "seasons" lol. They don't do it year round, it's a difficult lifestyle to maintain. They only go no-holds-barred when they're getting ready for competition, and that's when they're getting down to around 1-2% body fat.

You should watch a bodybuilding documentary. You'll be calling that entire industry insane. xD

You can go that low, but you will die.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/legendary-bodybuilder-died-body-fat-lives/story?id=29899438

It's like saying "a person can drink two handles of vodka per day. A person can indeed to this... for maybe a week. Then they'll drop dead.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Aristocrat on April 24, 2020, 11:59:26 am
https://legionathletics.com/how-to-calculate-body-fat/

Using calipers depends on the skill of the person using them, aside from measuring properly, you have to measure the EXACT same place as last time to get consistently accurate results over time.

As a pretty lean guy, I've learned to tell by judging the definition of my abs; if the 6-pack is clearly defined and 'pops', I'm around the 7% range. If they're clearly defined but don't 'pop' as much, I'm around the 8-10% range. If they're defined but look a bit 'soft', I'm around 12%. I stay within these ranges, so that works for me.







 
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Chinguetti on April 24, 2020, 12:00:03 pm
Men and women's bodies have evolved to store fat in different places. With men, it's usually around the gut, but there are definitely exceptions in both cases. Using that method wont give the same results for different people of the same BF percentage.

This is also true, but also because "pinching" is a complicated method. You've got to have training and quite a bit of experience to do it right and to accurately calculate amount of body fat. The information is out there for people to know, but, honestly, they won't do it right.

For most people, the easiest method for accurately calculating body fat % is to find a place with either a water tank or a pressure tank. Pressure tank is the most accurate. Some university hospitals will have them, but I have no idea how much they cost here. My university back home had one, and, as long as you didn't mind having students in training operating it, it was free to use.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: D.L.Orean on April 24, 2020, 12:04:19 pm
How many "obese" or "morbidly obese", by BMI standards, bodybuilders do we have on this forum? And is anyone unaware of the limitations of BMI?
It seems like a measurement that gives most people a basic framework. Athletes/people seriously into training are obviously going to ignore/pay less attention to it because they want more precise information about their bodies.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Aristocrat on April 24, 2020, 12:06:19 pm
You can go that low, but you will die.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/legendary-bodybuilder-died-body-fat-lives/story?id=29899438

It's like saying "a person can drink two handles of vodka per day. A person can indeed to this... for maybe a week. Then they'll drop dead.

Well... some guys claimed to have reached it and the pictures do indeed look like they've gone that low, see Helmut Strebl... you can find him on YT, I won't post the link as that'll put a massive picture across the thread which is kind of gross.

The thing is, even dexa scans aren't always completely accurate and his claims haven't been accepted by everyone, but judging by pictures, I think he's done it (2% lowest, I'm betting. I don't think you can get to 1%).

As said, it's definitely not healthy or sustainable for very long, but it is possible to do it and survive. 
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Chinguetti on April 24, 2020, 12:11:10 pm
You can go that low, but you will die.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/legendary-bodybuilder-died-body-fat-lives/story?id=29899438

It's like saying "a person can drink two handles of vodka per day. A person can indeed to this... for maybe a week. Then they'll drop dead.

Well, bodybuilding and filling your body up with alcohol are two different things, and you're also talking about the difference between your average person and someone who has years of knowledge and training. I'm not making any of this information up, lol. This is the world of bodybuilding.

The science behind obtaining 1% body fat without killing yourself DOES exists, and it's sound, but it requires a very strict and extreme lifestyle that most people will not be able to commit to. If your average joe tries to obtain 1% body fat without knowing what he's doing and without committing to EVERYTHING that has to go into it, then yeah, he's going to end up killing himself.

That's part of what bodybuilding is -- knowing how to push your body to the extreme, and being able to flaunt the results of that effort, without killing yourself. It's an extreme form of competition, and it's not sustainable on a long-term basis. Again, this is why bodybuilders have "seasons," and you can really see the difference between their off and on seasons.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: MayorHaggar on April 24, 2020, 12:11:14 pm
Leave the Brooklyn Nets out of this
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: AvecPommesFrites on April 24, 2020, 12:50:08 pm
Height of 6 feet, 3 and a quarter inches (1.91 m)
Weight 185 pounds (84 kg)
BMI 23
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: alexisalex on April 24, 2020, 12:51:47 pm
I always remember when my coteacher was talking about K-pop idols that she likes and that she loved their abs.  I thought to myself well yeah of course you can see his abs because he weighs about 9 stone haha.

The other day I saw that there's a famous Korean bodybuilder who still claims he is natural.  I wish I could remember his name.  Aristocrat, have you come across the guy?  Can't remember his name or I would post his picture. 
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Aristocrat on April 24, 2020, 01:25:16 pm
I always remember when my coteacher was talking about K-pop idols that she likes and that she loved their abs.  I thought to myself well yeah of course you can see his abs because he weighs about 9 stone haha.

The other day I saw that there's a famous Korean bodybuilder who still claims he is natural.  I wish I could remember his name.  Aristocrat, have you come across the guy?  Can't remember his name or I would post his picture. 

Is his name Chul Soon? I'm not into bodybuilding, but I think I heard his name somewhere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtJxLPSJZJo

I found another video a while back, this guy talks about steroid use in Korea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxMpkvB1KtU
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: alexisalex on April 24, 2020, 01:33:16 pm
Yeah Chul Soon, that's the one!    Claims he doesn't take steroids  :laugh:

I saw that other video as well.  Scary stuff.  I do understand the appeal of steroids though.  I enjoy lifting weights but I know how agonisingly slow the process of building muscle is.  It must be very tempting to get some extra help.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: oglop on April 24, 2020, 01:51:58 pm
Yeah Chul Soon, that's the one!    Claims he doesn't take steroids  :laugh:

I saw that other video as well.  Scary stuff.  I do understand the appeal of steroids though.  I enjoy lifting weights but I know how agonisingly slow the process of building muscle is.  It must be very tempting to get some extra help.
just get some muscle implants. i mean, you can't even tell they aren't real

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/NINTCHDBPICT000541123284.jpg)
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Chinguetti on April 24, 2020, 02:04:02 pm
just get some muscle implants. i mean, you can't even tell they aren't real

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/NINTCHDBPICT000541123284.jpg)

lmao, oh man, I remember this guy. This is that Russian dude who injected himself with a bunch of petroleum jelly but claimed it was synthol. He had to have all of it plus a bunch of dead tissue removed because it was basically going to kill him if he didn't. The doctor who performed the surgery said that it was only by a set of very lucky circumstances that he even lived long enough to get the surgery.

Pretty sure this guy is or was suffering from body dysmorphia, but anyway, he almost killed himself over it.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: AvecPommesFrites on April 24, 2020, 02:06:30 pm
just get some muscle implants. i mean, you can't even tell they aren't real

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/NINTCHDBPICT000541123284.jpg)

Is that this CO4 clown.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: L I on April 25, 2020, 04:56:07 am
I always remember when my coteacher was talking about K-pop idols that she likes and that she loved their abs.  I thought to myself well yeah of course you can see his abs because he weighs about 9 stone haha.

Women are attracted to men who look like this; men are attracted to women who look like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3cV0Ew9edM
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: hangook77 on April 25, 2020, 11:17:15 pm
Probably still some votes to come in but looks like LI was wrong about most NETs being overweight - on this site at least. Perhaps you were basing it on something else like people you met or your orientation. The majority of Korea NETs are pretty young so are more likely to be thin than a normal cross section of Westerners.

NETS just let themselves go more when they age compared to Koreans.  So, I wonder if some Korean girls regret marrying them.  Ha ha. 
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: MayorHaggar on April 26, 2020, 09:22:56 pm
Women are attracted to men who look like this; men are attracted to women who look like this:


Korean women in the US are hot. Korean women in Korea are just not. They get too much plastic surgery that gives them "cute" puffy eyelids, and they cover their faces badly with pasty white makeup. Or they never go outside so they get vampire death pallor.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Colburnnn on April 27, 2020, 07:25:48 am
Korean women in the US are hot. Korean women in Korea are just not. They get too much plastic surgery that gives them "cute" puffy eyelids, and they cover their faces badly with pasty white makeup. Or they never go outside so they get vampire death pallor.

gogators and DeMart have had some horrific and comically bad takes, but this is probably the worst.


Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: CO2 on April 27, 2020, 07:41:44 am
gogators and DeMart have had some horrific and comically bad takes, but this is probably the worst.




Absolutely vile.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CT0CnkEWUAEAd5i.jpg)

(https://static.asiachan.com/Bae.Suzy.full.81067.jpg)

(https://pm1.narvii.com/6964/da52f7304007551cb5bddc9432bce1d0747a9da9r1-534-810v2_uhq.jpg)

(https://www.loaloachristiannetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/D90CEEE4-25B2-4A15-B08D-63C8289D47E6.jpeg)
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: stoat on April 27, 2020, 07:51:40 am
No prizes for guessing how you voted in the lady shapes poll. Assuming you've done it.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: CO2 on April 27, 2020, 08:06:53 am
No prizes for guessing how you voted in the lady shapes poll. Assuming you've done it.
haha, I imagine most of y'all can guess.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Kyndo on April 27, 2020, 08:12:48 am
My guess was that you spend at least 20 minutes trying to trick the system into allowing you to check multiple boxes.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: CO2 on April 27, 2020, 08:16:42 am
My guess was that you spend at least 20 minutes trying to trick the system into allowing you to check multiple boxes.

Is this............... .. is this a joke? haha
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Chinguetti on April 27, 2020, 08:17:15 am
Wasn't sure if I should say anything, but whatever, here I go.

Every man has his own type, and just about every man I've ever known also has exceptions to his type. To top it off, patterns of "types" are heavily influenced by what a community (to include media) says is beautiful or sexy. If you're brought up to think that one type is an ideal, then you'll have a stronger pattern of men and women who'll try to pursue that ideal. Beauty standards have changed over time, and you can see how they differ from country to country and even region to region. In Asian countries, they value petite, slim figures (sometimes to the point of anorexic). In Latin American countries, they value very curvacious figures. And the U.S. is a huge mish mash, although recent trends have been more towards athletic builds.

In every single one of those places, though, you'll still have large numbers of men who deviate away from the "norm" and prefer something completely different. Even here in Korea, a lot of the men actually prefer larger women -- they just won't openly admit to it to most people because they'll get mocked for it, lol. Instead, they marry who they're expected to, and pay for/pursue women who are closer to their types on the side. And, curiously, I actually know enough bodybuilders who like bigger, chunkier women that I can definitely say it's a trend for them. Maybe not a majority, but it's a big category of them.

With that in mind, I don't know how accurate the results of that poll would have been, lol. It was probably meant to be tongue-in-cheek, but we all know that there is a fair number of the NETs who came here for the specific purpose of being surrounded by their "type," and, logically, they're not representative of all or even most men.  :undecided:
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: L I on April 27, 2020, 08:17:38 am
Let's have a poll for the very few female forum browsers.

What is most attractive?

-a swimmer
-a powerlifter
-a bodybuilder
-a sumo wrestler
-an average English teacher in Korea

Please choose us waygooks!   
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: shanebarry1986 on April 27, 2020, 08:17:51 am
Obesity rates:

USA:                 36.8%
New Zealand: 30.8%
South Africa:   28.3%
Canada:           29.4%
Australia:         29%
UK:                   27.8%
Ireland:            25.3%

Average:         29.54%

Waygook average: 6.1%. I'm not going to accuse Waygook users of being liars. They're fat liars.



Anecdotally I would estimate that AT LEAST 15% of NSETS I've interacted with here are obese. I would love if some other posters could post their estimates.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Kyndo on April 27, 2020, 08:21:13 am
Is this............... .. is this a joke? haha
I've no idea what you mean. :huh: (https://static-mag.itcher.com/mag/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Liar-Liar.jpg)



Obesity rates:
...
Average:         29.54%
Waygook average: 6.1%. I'm not going to accuse Waygook users of being liars. They're fat liars.
Anecdotally I would estimate that AT LEAST 15% of NSETS I've interacted with here are obese. I would love if some other posters could post their estimates.
Keep in mind that there is a reasonably strong correlation between level of education  and obesity. The higher one's educational attainment, the less likely one is to be fat.
   That might explain some of the discrepancy you noticed. After all, it's extremely unlikely that people would stoop to lying to strangers on the internet.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: OnNut81 on April 27, 2020, 08:21:43 am
Korean women in the US are hot. Korean women in Korea are just not. They get too much plastic surgery that gives them "cute" puffy eyelids, and they cover their faces badly with pasty white makeup. Or they never go outside so they get vampire death pallor.

I can only assume you are one of these posters that haven't lived in Korea for quite some time. 
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: L I on April 27, 2020, 08:29:38 am
After all, it's extremely unlikely that people would stoop to lying to strangers on the internet.

Half the Australians who are overweight don't realise it, and it's more likely to be men who are in denial.
https://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2011/s3317285.htm
Sixty per cent of Australians are overweight or obese but only about 30 percent realise they are.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Colburnnn on April 27, 2020, 08:31:21 am
they're not representative of all or even most men

Was with you until this part. Yeah, sure there are some guys out there who like the big ol' hogs and there are some who dig the sticks who like chunking after a meal. But no doubt most men like girls who look banging. (That is, curvy in all the right places, no bingo wings/saggy ****/thunder thighs) The type where you clock her and almost actually say ''WOW''. The 10's are out of most of our leagues, but for sure that's what 'most' guys are into.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: shanebarry1986 on April 27, 2020, 08:42:32 am
Yeah, sure there are some guys out there who like the big ol' hogs

Thank you for understanding my unique situation.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Chinguetti on April 27, 2020, 08:43:09 am
they're not representative of all or even most men

Was with you until this part. Yeah, sure there are some guys out there who like the big ol' hogs and there are some who dig the sticks who like chunking after a meal. But no doubt most men like girls who look banging. (That is, curvy in all the right places, no bingo wings/saggy ****/thunder thighs) The type where you clock her and almost actually say ''WOW''. The 10's are out of most of our leagues, but for sure that's what 'most' guys are into.

I mean, regardless of what their body type preferences actually are, a pretty face is still a pretty face.

That's why I said that all men have exceptions to their types. You can have men who'll swear up and down that anything more than a handful is gross, but those same men would still turn their heads for an Ashley Graham, Kim Kardasian, or even an Adelle or Lizzo.

To illustrate, I have a very slim and lithe friend here who is very popular in Korea. She's a foreigner with that slim, asian build, so she tends to turn a lot of heads. But whenever she's in certain neighborhoods where the main demographic are non-Asian, non-NET expats, she gets completely ignored, while my more curvaceous friend gets stared at non-stop. Both ladies are very attractive, and I'm not just saying that because they're my friends. They have absolutely no problems with dating anywhere they go. But, we have all noticed a pattern in the kinds of men who tend to be drawn to one over the other when both of them are present.

So.  :undecided: All men have their types, and all men have exceptions to their types, and body type is not the only thing they look for or are attracted to. And most men can still admit to when a woman who doesn't fit within their "type" is still very attractive.

Like... I'm not on that Chris Hemsworth bandwagon. He's not my "type." But I can still admit that he is a very beautiful and attractive man, and I'd still notice him if he were around.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: shanebarry1986 on April 27, 2020, 08:46:15 am
Keep in mind that there is a reasonably strong correlation between level of education  and obesity. The higher one's educational attainment, the less likely one is to be fat.
   That might explain some of the discrepancy you noticed. After all, it's extremely unlikely that people would stoop to lying to strangers on the internet.

"The National College Health Risk Behavior Survey suggests that as many as 35% of college students may be overweight or obese"   https://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/27/12/3000

Yeah, it's around 10% lower among university students. Not 85%.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Aristocrat on April 27, 2020, 08:52:57 am
Obesity rates:

USA:                 36.8%
New Zealand: 30.8%
South Africa:   28.3%
Canada:           29.4%
Australia:         29%
UK:                   27.8%
Ireland:            25.3%

Average:         29.54%

Waygook average: 6.1%. I'm not going to accuse Waygook users of being liars. They're fat liars.



Anecdotally I would estimate that AT LEAST 15% of NSETS I've interacted with here are obese. I would love if some other posters could post their estimates.

In all of the countries mentioned, particularly the US, those with obesity usually hail from poverty stricken areas, are generally not active in life and are usually in some kind of sad rut.
It takes a significant amount of money and effort to make it through university. We could also argue that obesity is going to be a factor during the EPIK hiring process. I'd also bet that obese people generally have a tough time dealing with Korean beauty standards, the anxiety which comes with being away from home compounded on top of the anxiety of their weight, which makes them likely to skidaddle after the first year.

That said, I'd say about 10% of the NETs I've seen are obese and a hell of a lot are overweight. Generally, the guys are either overweight or skinny fat, the women are generally chubby (but at least most tend to take care of their appearance). The overweight NETs I'd generally attribute to drinking.

Not trying to mock, just laying out some anecdotal observations.

Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Chinguetti on April 27, 2020, 08:55:41 am
I mean, I actually know women who legit prefer men with dad bods over anything else.

But that doesn't mean they still aren't going to notice a Troy-level Brad Pitt sitting at the end of the bar. xD
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Colburnnn on April 27, 2020, 09:03:21 am
So.  :undecided: All men have their types, and all men have exceptions to their types, and body type is not the only thing they look for or are attracted to. And most men can still admit to when a woman who doesn't fit within their "type" is still very attractive.

Yup, I agree. All men do have their types. And 90% of those types are the banging girls, not the escaped from the elephant habitat girls. I've seen a fair few roly-polies who I was really into too and there is no doubt some blimp chicks have something about them for damn sure! But when we use the word 'most' we are talking a very large majority. You put a babe next to a manatee and 9/10 will choose the honey.

The boat race is like the Tinder thing, you need a body shot because the cannon balls like to only use selfies. You meet up, next thing you know you get jumped by 50 cents bouncer when you were looking forward to meeting someone you could lift up. 100% fatties faces can be a work of art, and there are some Monet land whales walking around, but an even split of art work and gym work would do wonders.

Edit: Just want to add that there is nothing wrong with a person choosing to weight the same as the Titanic, just that if you want to take the odds from 9-1 to evens, not causing earthquakes when taking a stroll may be a good place to start. Sure, there are 'some' lads out there who love pork scratchings at the weekend, but for a long term thing. The lady has to fit down the aisle.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Chinguetti on April 27, 2020, 09:09:21 am
So.  :undecided: All men have their types, and all men have exceptions to their types, and body type is not the only thing they look for or are attracted to. And most men can still admit to when a woman who doesn't fit within their "type" is still very attractive.

Yup, I agree. All men do have their types. And 90% of those types are the banging girls, not the escaped from the elephant habitat girls. I've seen a fair few roly-polies who I was really into too and there is no doubt some blimp chicks have something about them for damn sure! But when we use the word 'most' we are talking a very large majority. You put a babe next to a manatee and 9/10 will choose the honey.

The boat race is like the Tinder thing, you need a body shot because the cannon balls like to only use selfies. You meet up, next thing you know you get jumped by 50 cents bouncer when you were looking forward to meeting someone you could lift up. 100% fatties faces can be a work of art, and there are some Monet land whales walking around, but an even split of art work and gym work would do wonders.

Every category of body-type has what people would term as "10s", people who will get noticed by everyone, no matter what.

But we were talking about general body type qualities that different groups of people tend to gravitate towards, and, I can tell you, while most men would never turn down a chance at, say, an IU or Irene, the ones who prefer more curvaceous or athletic figures probably wouldn't pay much attention to another Korean woman who has the same Irene figure but lacks everything else that makes Irene so attractive to others.

If a man prefers a larger woman, and he has to choose between two attractive women, one who is larger and one who is slim, he's going to go with the larger woman. Because that's his preference, and, as long as she has other qualities that he considers attractive (pretty face, nice smile, etc.), he's going to go with that.

Also, could you stop comparing larger women to animals? I get that you don't find them attractive, but you don't need to demean them in order to say so.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: CO2 on April 27, 2020, 09:12:21 am
Also, could you stop comparing larger women to animals? I get that you don't find them attractive, but you don't need to demean them in order to say so.

He's just being bullish.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Kyndo on April 27, 2020, 09:13:53 am
Sixty per cent of Australians are overweight or obese but only about 30 percent realise they are.

       Sounds like a pretty big deal until you stop and consider that the global percentage for overweight adults sits (heavily) at around 40%.
Australia also lags behind several other English speaking countries: the USA, New Zealand, and Canada. In some of those cases, the difference is quite sizable.
    Fact is, the average percentage for developed countries weighs in at well over 50% (https://www.oecd.org/health/obesity-update.htm), a number that is steadily growing. This is an issue that will eventually become a massive burden on our health care systems unless we can scale those numbers back
 
   It is interesting that such a large percentage of overweight (or obese) folk don't acknowledge their chubbiness. That in itself is a tremendous problem: can't fix something when nobody sees that it's broken.



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Keep in mind that there is a reasonably strong correlation between level of education  and obesity. The higher one's educational attainment, the less likely one is to be fat.
   That might explain some of the discrepancy you noticed.
{s} After all, it's extremely unlikely that people would stoop to lying to strangers on the internet.{/s}
"The National College Health Risk Behavior Survey suggests that as many as 35% of college students may be overweight or obese"   https://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/27/12/3000

Yeah, it's around 10% lower among university students. Not 85%.
{s} Oh, hey, apologies. I may have been too subtle. {/s}
Let me go back and put in the sarcasm marks.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Colburnnn on April 27, 2020, 09:20:13 am
Every category of body-type has what people would term as "10s", people who will get noticed by everyone, no matter what.

But we were talking about general body type qualities that different groups of people tend to gravitate towards, and, I can tell you, while most men would never turn down a chance at, say, an IU or Irene, the ones who prefer more curvaceous or athletic figures probably wouldn't pay much attention to another Korean woman who has the same Irene figure but lacks everything else that makes Irene so attractive to others.

If a man prefers a larger woman, and he has to choose between two attractive women, one who is larger and one who is slim, he's going to go with the larger woman. Because that's his preference, and, as long as she has other qualities that he considers attractive (pretty face, nice smile, etc.), he's going to go with that.

Also, could you stop comparing larger women to animals? I get that you don't find them attractive, but you don't need to demean them in order to say so.

Again, yes I agree. Every body type does have 10's. Facially. But the number scale takes into account the whole package. If you have a 10 face and a 1 body, you're a 5, for example. Sure, thats what I said. An IU or an Irene gets chosen 9/10 times, because 90% of men prefer that. 10% wouldn't be interested because they like bacon.

Second point I agree with you too. 'If a man prefers a larger woman', yes 'IF'. If a man doesn't prefer anything really, they would choose the one who doesn't risk crushing him 9/10 times.

I admire your attempt to encourage fat attraction, but thats just how it is. Sometimes a dude will go after the big bones, but that is rare. When it happens, awesome! You get your oats girl!

Also, I'll politely decline your request to alter the language that I use thank you. I will continue to use the language I wish, and in return I will politely request that you accept my freedom of expression. If that makes you uncomfortable, it is your choice to skim over the posts or end the conversation. I will 100% respect whichever choice you make.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Colburnnn on April 27, 2020, 09:22:58 am
He's just being bullish.

Get nowhere being sheepish.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: CO2 on April 27, 2020, 09:27:53 am
Get nowhere being sheepish.
Otterly riduckulous.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Kyndo on April 27, 2020, 09:31:09 am
Quit horsing around you rambunctious rapscallion!
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Aristocrat on April 27, 2020, 09:35:30 am
I mean, I actually know women who legit prefer men with dad bods over anything else.

I'm not surprised.

So far, everyone seems to be discussing this objectively and sensibly, so I suppose there's no harm bringing this up; men and women are cognitively and physically different.

Generally, men are more fixated on physical appearance of the mate. In many cases, women aren't that simple, many women's own physical appearance influences the attraction as well. (while factors like money, humor, intelligence, kindness etc. are part of attraction, I'm going to leave them aside for now)

If a guy is fat, balding, short and ugly, he's generally not going to give a crap about how he looks if a "10" women, completely out his league, gives him the green light. He'll be ready to go, in a heartbeat. 

With women, while she'll always be attracted to the physical traits evolution has programmed us to be attracted to, she's less likely to go for the '10' guy (physically appearance only), if she sees herself as less than a '10'. Many women want to be the rose, they're not keen on their men being prettier than they are. On a similar principle the traditional attractive Asian female is seen as "pure", "innocent" and somewhat "meek", this kind of woman can make even the most insecure man feel powerful in comparison, likewise, many women are attracted to the more mature looking men as it makes them look younger and prettier in comparison... just part of my theory. 

The other factor is that the 'dad-bod' is associated with the farther figure i.e. a provider, which is essentially what many women are looking for in a partner.

I suggest that it could also be a combination of the two factors, but ultimately I'm leaning to the first as making the stronger case.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Chinguetti on April 27, 2020, 09:40:02 am
Again, yes I agree. Every body type does have 10's. Facially. But the number scale takes into account the whole package. If you have a 10 face and a 1 body, you're a 5, for example. Sure, thats what I said. An IU or an Irene gets chosen 9/10 times, because 90% of men prefer that. 10% wouldn't be interested because they like bacon.

Second point I agree with you too. 'If a man prefers a larger woman', yes 'IF'. If a man doesn't prefer anything really, they would choose the one who doesn't risk crushing him 9/10 times.

I admire your attempt to encourage fat attraction, but thats just how it is. Sometimes a dude will go after the big bones, but that is rare. When it happens, awesome! You get your oats girl!

Also, I'll politely decline your request to alter the language that I use thank you. I will continue to use the language I wish, and in return I will politely request that you accept my freedom of expression. If that makes you uncomfortable, it is your choice to skim over the posts or end the conversation. I will 100% respect whichever choice you make.

We'll agree to disagree, then, because I wasn't trying to push body positivity (which isn't a bad thing at all -- people can push for healthier lifestyles without shaming others or trying to force them into it by telling them they're not people or worthy of respect unless they're the right size or shape), but was speaking from what I have personally experienced and witnessed.

Perspectives are a little different when you're the pursued vs the pursuer. I have known larger women who lost weight, and the "quality" of their pursuers also dropped as a result.

As for freedom of expression, people also have the right to be respected and to criticize others who attempt to violate that out of some misguided sense of self-interest. You want to express yourself any way you feel like, that's fine, as long as you can accept that freedom of expression isn't one-way and does not equate to freedom from consequence. If someone doesn't like how you're expressing yourself, especially when you're using it as a method to excuse verbally abusing others, you're just going to have to accept that you're going to get called out for it sometimes.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Liechtenstein on April 27, 2020, 09:41:38 am
I've got a gut that I am proud of. It has taken me several years of dedication to drinking to achieve. I am ultimately comfortable in my own skin. That's why I don't worry about impressing people with silly stats.

My BMI....I have no idea.

My ICL...100%
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Chinguetti on April 27, 2020, 09:46:52 am
I'm not surprised.

So far, everyone seems to be discussing this objectively and sensibly, so I suppose there's no harm bringing this up; men and women are cognitively and physically different.

Generally, men are more fixated on physical appearance of the mate. In many cases, women aren't that simple, many women's own physical appearance influences the attraction as well. (while factors like money, humor, intelligence, kindness etc. are part of attraction, I'm going to leave them aside for now)

If a guy is fat, balding, short and ugly, he's generally not going to give a crap about how he looks if a "10" women, completely out his league, gives him the green light. He'll be ready to go, in a heartbeat. 

With women, while she'll always be attracted to the physical traits evolution has programmed us to be attracted to, she's less likely to go for the '10' guy (physically appearance only), if she sees herself as less than a '10'. Many women want to be the rose, they're not keen on their men being prettier than they are. On a similar principle the traditional attractive Asian female is seen as "pure", "innocent" and somewhat "meek", this kind of woman can make even the most insecure man feel powerful in comparison, likewise, many women are attracted to the more mature looking men as it makes them look younger and prettier in comparison... just part of my theory. 

The other factor is that the 'dad-bod' is associated with the farther figure i.e. a provider, which is essentially what many women are looking for in a partner.

I suggest that it could also be a combination of the two factors, but ultimately I'm leaning to the first as making the stronger case.

Actually, they did a study that showed that everyone, both men and women, tend to go for others that they rate in their own leagues.

As for the women I know who prefer men with dad bods, it's actually because they consider them more "cuddly" and less threatening. And, I don't know, I guess a lot of men with dad bods also tend to be more mellow and chill to them. Like they feel less of a need to prove themselves to everyone. But at the same time, I've known men with dad bods who were the very opposite of chill, lol. So yeah, if we're just talking about the physical parts of it, it's because they're "cuddly," but not too "cuddly." Makes them both fun and easy to spoon with, is how it's been described to me.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Aristocrat on April 27, 2020, 09:47:44 am
I've got a gut that I am proud of. It has taken me several years of dedication to drinking to achieve. I am ultimately comfortable in my own skin. That's why I don't worry about impressing people with silly stats.

My BMI....I have no idea.

My ICL...100%

You've claimed to not drink in one thread, while claiming to love alcohol in the other.
You claim you skied in the alps before most of us were born while claiming to be 30yrs old in another thread.

While we might not know your BMI, everyone here knows your BSI is completely off the charts.
Go away, nobody takes you or your trolling seriously anymore.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: shanebarry1986 on April 27, 2020, 10:17:26 am
I'm not surprised.

So far, everyone seems to be discussing this objectively and sensibly, so I suppose there's no harm bringing this up; men and women are cognitively and physically different.

Generally, men are more fixated on physical appearance of the mate. In many cases, women aren't that simple, many women's own physical appearance influences the attraction as well. (while factors like money, humor, intelligence, kindness etc. are part of attraction, I'm going to leave them aside for now)

If a guy is fat, balding, short and ugly, he's generally not going to give a crap about how he looks if a "10" women, completely out his league, gives him the green light. He'll be ready to go, in a heartbeat. 

With women, while she'll always be attracted to the physical traits evolution has programmed us to be attracted to, she's less likely to go for the '10' guy (physically appearance only), if she sees herself as less than a '10'. Many women want to be the rose, they're not keen on their men being prettier than they are. On a similar principle the traditional attractive Asian female is seen as "pure", "innocent" and somewhat "meek", this kind of woman can make even the most insecure man feel powerful in comparison, likewise, many women are attracted to the more mature looking men as it makes them look younger and prettier in comparison... just part of my theory. 

The other factor is that the 'dad-bod' is associated with the farther figure i.e. a provider, which is essentially what many women are looking for in a partner.

I suggest that it could also be a combination of the two factors, but ultimately I'm leaning to the first as making the stronger case.

Women are only attracted to social status. Money, looks, success, these are only a means of judging a fella's social status. A broke ugly poet can get desirable women... if he's highly regarded in the literary community community. There is only social status.

I'm not an incel or red-pilled or whatever, before anyone starts. It just is what it is. I have no interest in judging people for the mates they choose, or their reasons for so choosing. We're all animals at the end of the day.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Aristocrat on April 27, 2020, 10:25:01 am
Actually, they did a study that showed that everyone, both men and women, tend to go for others that they rate in their own leagues.

As for the women I know who prefer men with dad bods, it's actually because they consider them more "cuddly" and less threatening. And, I don't know, I guess a lot of men with dad bods also tend to be more mellow and chill to them. Like they feel less of a need to prove themselves to everyone. But at the same time, I've known men with dad bods who were the very opposite of chill, lol. So yeah, if we're just talking about the physical parts of it, it's because they're "cuddly," but not too "cuddly." Makes them both fun and easy to spoon with, is how it's been described to me.

What study? Either way, it kind of strengthens my point. A "4" guy isn't going to go for a "10" girl, not because he doesn't find her attractive, but simply because he doesn't want to humiliate himself. Should the "10" girl, for some reason, go up to the "4" guy and give him an invitation, he'd almost certainly agree. If a "10" guy approaches a "4" girl, she won't be as easy to persuade as the "4" guy. Concerns like:

- I don't want to look ugly compared to him
- I don't want him to think I'm easy
- I don't feel beautiful

might arise. For the same reason, the "6" woman is not going to go for the "10" guy.

Yes, people tend to "go" for people in their own league, but that's not the same as "only being attracted to" people in their own league.   

The word threatening stood out to me because that's pretty much what it is; she doesn't want her partner to threaten her spot as the fairer sex. The "mellow and chill" sound like innuendo for "I want a guy who likes sitting on the couch and eating pizza so I feel less guilty about sitting on the couch eating pizza."

Ultimately, no self respecting man or women should really invest much more than purely academic interest into the subject. Super hot Korean woman tells me I look great, but I'd look better if I shaved my beard because Korean women like guys without beards and with 2-blocks, she can take a hike.

While very entertaining, tongue and cheek and I don't agree with everything he says, his argument goes in the same general direction as mine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQlIPOTbuH8
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Chinguetti on April 27, 2020, 10:32:36 am
What study? Either way, it kind of strengthens my point. A "4" guy isn't going to go for a "10" girl, not because he doesn't find her attractive, but simply because he doesn't want to humiliate himself. Should the "10" girl, for some reason, go up to the "4" guy and give him an invitation, he'd almost certainly agree. If a "10" guy approaches a "4" girl, she won't be as easy to persuade as the "4" guy. Concerns like:

- I don't want to look ugly compared to him
- I don't want him to think I'm easy
- I don't feel beautiful

might arise. For the same reason, the "6" woman is not going to go for the "10" guy.

Yes, people tend to "go" for people in their own league, but that's not the same as "only being attracted to" people in their own league.   

The word threatening stood out to me because that's pretty much what it is; she doesn't want her partner to threaten her spot as the fairer sex. The "mellow and chill" sound like innuendo for "I want a guy who likes sitting on the couch and eating pizza so I feel less guilty about sitting on the couch eating pizza."

Ultimately, no self respecting man or women should really invest much more than purely academic interest into the subject. Super hot Korean woman tells me I look great, but I'd look better if I shaved my beard because Korean women like guys without beards and with 2-blocks, she can take a hike.

While very entertaining, tongue and cheek and I don't agree with everything he says, his argument goes in the same general direction as mine

What you're saying isn't false, but I just wanted to point out that it's not really the full story, and it's definitely not true in every case. Also, I don't recall the name of the study, but they even made a documentary about it. Willing to bet it has something to do with sexual attraction combined with social overrides, or whatever, though.

As for the non-threatening bit, it's more about avoiding men who refuse to compromise and tend to be on the argumentative and aggressive side. Men who are more mellow and chill tend to be better listeners, and there's a level of empathy that gets associated with that. These are guys who are more willing to talk about whatever issues they have instead of bottling them up and only really expressing their feelings when they're angry (the threatening part). They're less likely to go around punching walls and slamming doors whenever they're upset. They're more likely to be willing to share in household responsibilities without turning it into a major fight. As in, they don't tie in their senses of masculinity with being the alpha bosses in the relationships.

That sort of thing. Of course, there will be people who're looking for others who won't be as likely to criticize them for any bad habits, too, but for the women that I'm talking about, it's more about feeling warm and safe with their partners.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: stoat on April 27, 2020, 10:42:37 am
Anyone know why the lady shapes poll was locked?
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Chinguetti on April 27, 2020, 10:50:30 am
Anyone know why the lady shapes poll was locked?

Probably because it was a little too demeaning in the sense that women were being rated on how physically attractive men found their body types.

It's perfect fodder for a flame war.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: stoat on April 27, 2020, 10:57:54 am
Probably because it was a little too demeaning in the sense that women were being rated on how physically attractive men found their body types.

It's perfect fodder for a flame war.

Are you serious? It's the kind of question you see debated in magazines/newspapers/online all the time. The language used wasn't disrespectful either.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Chinguetti on April 27, 2020, 11:04:40 am
Are you serious? It's the kind of question you see debated in magazines/newspapers/online all the time. The language used wasn't disrespectful either.

Yeah, but stuff like this tend to be objectifying and exploitative in nature because that's just the road other people will take it down, even when the originator(s) never intended for that to happen.

It's inevitable that you'll start getting disrespectful comments from people, and this will lead to fights that I'm pretty sure most mods would rather avoid, lol.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: oglop on April 27, 2020, 11:06:18 am
TIL waygook.org mods are pre-cogs
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: stoat on April 27, 2020, 11:16:30 am
Yeah, I mean what topic on here couldn't conceivably start a flame war?
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Colburnnn on April 27, 2020, 11:16:36 am
Yeah, but stuff like this tend to be objectifying and exploitative in nature because that's just the road other people will take it down, even when the originator(s) never intended for that to happen.

It's inevitable that you'll start getting disrespectful comments from people, and this will lead to fights that I'm pretty sure most mods would rather avoid, lol.

Man, I think it's time the Trump will win 2020 thread was locked then. You know, to avoid fights.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Aristocrat on April 27, 2020, 11:16:47 am
Probably because it was a little too demeaning in the sense that women were being rated on how physically attractive men found their body types.

It's perfect fodder for a flame war.

The only criticism I'd level at it is that it's too narrow and simplistic. The fact that tall, athletic and tomboyish women are my type doesn't mean I won't be attracted to the skinny K-pop type or the curvier Salma Hayek type.

Even if a guy was exclusively attracted to a woman of a particular type/types (doubtful), that's completely different from how they'd treat those who fall outside his realm of attraction as a person. I might not find a certain woman attractive, but that's absolutely no reason for me to be rude to her.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: stoat on April 27, 2020, 11:18:13 am
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The only criticism I'd level at it is that it's too narrow and simplistic

And what poll isn't? Except one that no one would be bothered to read through.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Chinguetti on April 27, 2020, 11:29:07 am
Yeah, I mean what topic on here couldn't conceivably start a flame war?

You're right, I've said it before that someone could say that they hate unicorns and people will fight over that.

The difference between this or that, though, is that one usually gets more and more degrading, hateful, and misogynistic the longer it plays out, which inevitably invites misandry as a response, and it very quickly turns into a shitstorm of people bashing each other just for being born a certain gender. And then that very often invites other forms of bigotry against other types of people and groups.

It's never easy to deal with, and it's simply a mess that's not worth letting people play out.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Kyndo on April 27, 2020, 11:31:54 am
TIL waygook.org mods are pre-cogs
I knew you'd say that!

You only have to worry about things if you will eventually one day have something to hide.

Anyway, it sure is nice to have such a perfect system keeping an eye out on things!
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Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Chinguetti on April 27, 2020, 11:33:57 am
I might not find a certain woman attractive, but that's absolutely no reason for me to be rude to her.

Not everyone feels the same way, unfortunately. In a perfect world...
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Colburnnn on April 27, 2020, 11:37:15 am
Not everyone feels the same way, unfortunately. In a perfect world...

We have a different definition of rude.

In a perfect world people wouldn't be so offended.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Chinguetti on April 27, 2020, 11:42:45 am
We have a different definition of rude.

In a perfect world people wouldn't be so offended.

Or, people can stop going out of their way to be unnecessarily hurtful.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: stoat on April 27, 2020, 12:09:43 pm
Or, people can stop going out of their way to be unnecessarily hurtful.

If anyone was going to be rude in that thread it would have been about a celebrity (fair game I'd have thought) or a body type. Since no one knows what anyone on here looks like (with one or two exceptions) there was very little possibility of it getting personal. 
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Chinguetti on April 27, 2020, 12:18:57 pm
If anyone was going to be rude in that thread it would have been about a celebrity (fair game I'd have thought) or a body type. Since no one knows what anyone on here looks like (with one or two exceptions) there was very little possibility of it getting personal. 

The fun thing about people is that they're incredibly empathetic. Even if a barb wasn't aimed at them personally, they can still take offense to it if it happens to hit up on something that they're personally struggling with, be it with themselves, or in knowing someone that they care about who has had many, many negative experiences as a result of it.

This is all it takes, really.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: oglop on April 27, 2020, 12:35:27 pm
The fun thing about people is that they're incredibly empathetic. Even if a barb wasn't aimed at them personally, they can still take offense to it if it happens to hit up on something that they're personally struggling with, be it with themselves, or in knowing someone that they care about who has had many, many negative experiences as a result of it.

This is all it takes, really.
may as well shut down the internet then, if people are going to be as thin-skinned as that. welcome to 2020, where everyone takes offense to everything.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Chinguetti on April 27, 2020, 12:41:58 pm
I don't think it's hurtful, at all.

It's a counter to people encouraging obesity. 'Body positivity' needs shaming. People shame smokers, drug users, alcoholics, why not lazy people stuffing their faces with sh*t food and excusing it under the guise of 'positivity'.



Body positivity isn't about embracing obesity, it's about being able to love and accept yourself despite whatever perceived physical flaw that you might have (not just limited to the obese --  the obese just kind of became the face of that movement because they're the most visible). It's about not placing your sense of self-worth in the way that you look (such as breast shape and size, or having a trapezoid upper body rather than a triangle). It's about being seen and respected as a human being, regardless of physical characteristics, and to pursue body modifications and weight-loss on your own terms, not on others'.

And body positivity became such a big thing in the first place specifically because of toxic people abusing others who didn't fit certain molds, the very same people who often encourage destructive and unhealthy ways of weight management because it's not about concern for other people's health but about incredibly shallow points of self-interest. If obesity was something that was suddenly eradicated from the world, these very same people would find some other physical flaw to criticize and dehumanize people over. Korea and it's plastic surgery obsession is a very prime example of that fact.

I've also often found that people who tend to negatively shame and insult others over shallow or materialistic reasons can't really take what they dish out. They hold themselves in higher regard and feel they're exceptions to the rule. Not saying that you're one of those people, Colburnnn, but it's something I feel is worth pointing out because the same kind of people who tend to say the same things you are in the same manner and with the same attitude just tend to be that way. It illustrates the point that I'm making that it's not out of concern for others that they make these kind of comments. They're just being assholes.

may as well shut down the internet then, if people are going to be as thin-skinned as that. welcome to 2020, where everyone takes offense to everything.

I think it's more about drawing lines somewhere.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: tylerthegloob on April 27, 2020, 12:45:40 pm
if floyd mayweather punched wladimir klitschko in the face, klitschko would be OK. if floyd mayweather punched me in the face, i'd be very not okay. that's not really my fault, and doesn't really say anything about me. i hope you can understand how this relates to the conversation.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Chinguetti on April 27, 2020, 12:46:49 pm
Edit: Won't post again as I feel like we could go round in circles on this. I will use any language I want to, and deal with the consequences of it. You are welcome to ignore my future posts if they are too triggering for you.

Nope, I'll happily keep calling you out, but you can choose to ignore mine if they're that triggering for *you*.  :wink:
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: oglop on April 27, 2020, 01:01:39 pm


I think it's more about drawing lines somewhere.
Anonymous users discussing their preference in body types seems a strange/arbitrary place to draw that line
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: stoat on April 27, 2020, 01:01:49 pm
So what's more offensive, calling a celebrity a beached whale, or personally implying someone's an asshole?
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Chinguetti on April 27, 2020, 01:04:38 pm
So what's more offensive, calling a celebrity a beached whale, or personally implying someone's an asshole?

Calling someone a beached whale. Because that's an insult on someone's looks while the other is an insult on a person's personal behavior and conduct.

One is never called for while the other COULD be called for.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Colburnnn on April 27, 2020, 01:05:44 pm
if floyd mayweather punched wladimir klitschko in the face, klitschko would be OK. if floyd mayweather punched me in the face, i'd be very not okay. that's not really my fault, and doesn't really say anything about me. i hope you can understand how this relates to the conversation.

Go to the gym, work out and punch him back. You'll probs get smacked back down to earth but he'd respect you for it.

Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Colburnnn on April 27, 2020, 01:08:10 pm
Being offended isn't good enough and it doesn't mean anything. It has no weight. (unlike the fatties) I'm sorry, but it is just worthless. Sorry to call you out on it.

Go to the gym. Nothing 'positive' about being a human planet.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Chinguetti on April 27, 2020, 01:09:00 pm
Anonymous users discussing their preference in body types seems a strange/arbitrary place to draw that line

Some topics are hot topics for a reason. Some are open for discussion. Others, not so much. Some, it just depends on how you approach them for debate. Totally depends on the nature behind them.

For now, anything that can be construed as objectifying and dehumanizing are generally policed in forums like this one because they can and have gotten really ugly very quickly.

It's happened on this site plenty of times before, so it's not like the mods (or whoever locked that thread) didn't have any history to base it on, lol.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: stoat on April 27, 2020, 01:15:36 pm
Calling someone a beached whale. Because that's an insult on someone's looks while the other is an insult on a person's personal behavior and conduct.

One is never called for while the other COULD be called for.

The question was about calling a celebrity a beached whale.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Chinguetti on April 27, 2020, 01:16:16 pm
The question was about calling a celebrity a beached whale.

Yes, and I thought I answered that question. I consider celebrities people, lol.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Kyndo on April 27, 2020, 01:23:33 pm
So what's more offensive, calling a celebrity a beached whale, or personally implying someone's an asshole?
And what if both of those people were stuck on parallel trolley tracks?
And what if you were hurtling down the tracks straight towards them while calling them those horrible names?
What if there was a switch, and by choosing to flip it, you could decide which set of tracks your trolley would go while you shouted your insults?
Which set of tracks would you choose? Which person would you choose to hurt physically even as you abused them emotionally?

Such questions keep me up nights.  :sad:
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: stoat on April 27, 2020, 01:24:12 pm
Yes, and I thought I answered that question. I consider celebrities people, lol.

I meant saying a celebrity was a beached whale to someone else, not to the celebrity themselves v personally implying someone was an asshole directly.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: stoat on April 27, 2020, 01:30:14 pm
And what if both of those people were stuck on parallel trolley tracks?
And what if you were hurtling down the tracks straight towards them while calling them those horrible names?
What if there was a switch, and by choosing to flip it, you could decide which set of tracks your trolley would go while you shouted your insults?
Which set of tracks would you choose? Which person would you choose to hurt physically even as you abused them emotionally?

Such questions keep me up nights.  :sad:

It's quite a simple question and the answer is obvious.  It's much more offensive to personally attack someone directly than make rude comments about a celebrity who isn't there.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Chinguetti on April 27, 2020, 01:41:17 pm
I meant saying a celebrity was a beached whale to someone else, not to the celebrity themselves v personally implying someone was an asshole directly.

Yeah, I got that. I'm still saying that it's worse to call someone a beached whale, even if it's not directly to them or at someone placed in a world so far apart from your own that you'll probably never meet them, because it's still an insult over their looks that also works to dehumanize them and anyone else who also shares that characteristic. Makes them less just for being. Doing it behind their backs vs to their faces still has the same motivation behind it, although saying it to their faces definitely has a heightened level of cruelty and malice in it.

While being directly called an asshole is a criticism of your own behavior which could be well-deserved. Just because it's a direct confrontation doesn't make it worse. If it's not deserved, it could just be due to a misunderstanding or a misinterpretation of events, which is never the case when someone is being called a whale.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Chinguetti on April 27, 2020, 01:47:37 pm
Putting it in a different light.

Which is worse to call someone behind their back: A beached whale, or an asshole?

Which is worse to call someone to their face: A beached whale, or an asshole?

If you were going to call your own mother one of those two things, which one do you think would hurt her more?
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: CO2 on April 27, 2020, 02:01:13 pm
Beached whale, asshole............ .............. really?

Can we just agree on a middle ground and call people............. ................

bleached assholes
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Chinguetti on April 27, 2020, 02:02:57 pm
But then people would turn it into race bait. xD
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: stoat on April 27, 2020, 02:12:49 pm
Quote
Which is worse to call someone behind their back: A beached whale, or an asshole? beached whale

Which is worse to call someone to their face: A beached whale, or an asshole? beached whale.

Which is worse, to call a celebrity a beached whale or call someone you know an asshole - asshole.

If you were going to call your own mother one of those two things, which one do you think would hurt her more?
no need to bring anyone's mother into this.

Here's another question,. If one of your students said Benedict Cumberbatch looked like a rat, you'd think that was worse than calling one of their classmates an asshole?

Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: oglop on April 27, 2020, 02:34:45 pm
Sometimes students have said I have a big nose. I didn't get offended. Do you know why? Because I am an adult

If someone calls a celebrity beached whale on an Internet message board, I also don't get offended, because I am not a big baby

Same goes when an anonymous user says something about their preference in body types
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Kyndo on April 27, 2020, 02:39:11 pm
It's quite a simple question and the answer is obvious.  It's much more offensive to personally attack someone directly than make rude comments about a celebrity who isn't there.
But what about the trolley?

Anyway, whether it's more hurtful to be be called a cephalopod or a sphincter is kinda beside the point as they're both unkind. Why can't we all, you know, just get along?
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: tylerthegloob on April 27, 2020, 02:42:10 pm
bleached assholes

and I get bleach on my t-shirt, imma feel like an asshole.

anyway, i guess i wasn't direct enough earlier. why do some of you think you can tell another person when they're allowed to be hurt by something? just because something doesn't hurt YOU (congratulations), doesn't mean it wouldn't hurt someone else. and that's okay, we all have different tolerances (back to boxing: some of us would die from getting hit by mike tyson and others would only be severely concussed).
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: #basedcowboyshirt on April 27, 2020, 02:47:23 pm
Sometimes students have said I have a big nose. I didn't get offended. Do you know why? Because I am an adult

If someone calls a celebrity beached whale on an Internet message board, I also don't get offended, because I am not a big baby

Same goes when an anonymous user says something about their preference in body types

There's a difference between being offended by something and calling someone an asshole for saying something.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: #basedcowboyshirt on April 27, 2020, 02:52:56 pm
I literally can't understand how some people are so sensitive.

Someone on a message board says, "Maybe don't be a dick to people?" and they get all offended and say, "Bawwwwwww don't tell me what to do bawwww I can say whatever I want too you're not the boss of me bawwwwwww I'm not sensitive, YOU'RE sensitive" and then won't stop going on about it.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Colburnnn on April 27, 2020, 02:56:19 pm
I literally can't understand how some people are so sensitive.

Someone on a message board says, "Maybe don't be a dick to people?" and they get all offended and say, "Bawwwwwww don't tell me what to do bawwww I can say whatever I want too you're not the boss of me bawwwwwww I'm not sensitive, YOU'RE sensitive" and then won't stop going on about it.

Calling fat people fat is not being a dick, though.

Restricting other people from saying something, by claiming to be a victim, because you can't stop eating doughnuts, is.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: stoat on April 27, 2020, 03:02:25 pm
I literally can't understand how some people are so sensitive.

Someone on a message board says, "Maybe don't be a dick to people?" and they get all offended and say, "Bawwwwwww don't tell me what to do bawwww I can say whatever I want too you're not the boss of me bawwwwwww I'm not sensitive, YOU'RE sensitive" and then won't stop going on about it.

The discussion started because someone locked the thread, that's what I personally was pissed off about, The people  going around telling people not to be (in their minds) dicks are the ones locking the threads. In wider society as well.   
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Aristocrat on April 27, 2020, 03:03:47 pm
Calling fat people fat is not being a dick, though.

Ok, tomorrow morning, find every female staff member in school and greet them by saying "안녕, 뚱뚱한!"
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: oglop on April 27, 2020, 03:05:48 pm
There's a difference between being offended by something and calling someone an asshole for saying something.
sorry. seems i missed this entire page about assholes.  i was just talking about why the thread got closed. but yes there is
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Colburnnn on April 27, 2020, 03:07:37 pm
and I get bleach on my t-shirt, imma feel like an asshole.

anyway, i guess i wasn't direct enough earlier. why do some of you think you can tell another person when they're allowed to be hurt by something? just because something doesn't hurt YOU (congratulations), doesn't mean it wouldn't hurt someone else. and that's okay, we all have different tolerances (back to boxing: some of us would die from getting hit by mike tyson and others would only be severely concussed).

When did anyone say someone is not allowed to be hurt? They can be hurt. Doesn't do any good and is pathetic but they can be hurt.

I though once you graduate school you understood that words can be ignored. Log the f*ck off dude, unistall bro, walk away dawg. Tyson's fists are real. A tweet, is not. You're pissed? Hit the gym, get in the ring and start swinging.

''This bawwwwwwwwww (based) he said bad word'' means.... nothing.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Colburnnn on April 27, 2020, 03:08:32 pm
Ok, tomorrow morning, find every female staff member in school and greet them by saying "안녕, 뚱뚱한!"

What kinda school you work in? The ladies at my place are all slim.

Oh, and this isn't a gender thing either. Fat is fat. Convo started about women (locked thread) that's all.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: CallinIn on April 27, 2020, 03:25:50 pm
Calling fat people fat is not being a dick, though.

Restricting other people from saying something, by claiming to be a victim, because you can't stop eating doughnuts, is.

I really don't know why you're trying to defend it. It's being a dick. Didn't we all have to learn the "Golden Rule" back in primary school?

Sure, you can call people fat all you want, but it's rude. Do you plan to point out clear physical flaws of everyone you meet? "Hey, I noticed your nose is crooked. You could fix that." Or is it only people who are overweight?

Should we open a thread for every physical imperfection that exists? Next up will be posture, maybe. I mean geez, don't people realize how bad posture will affect them when they get older?

Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Colburnnn on April 27, 2020, 03:34:13 pm
Sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me.

Yeah I did learn it at school, why what did you learn?
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: CallinIn on April 27, 2020, 03:38:46 pm
You know, the 'Golden Rule'... like I said in the first line that you presumably read. "One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself"  <---- That rule.
And if your comeback is immediately "If i was fat, I would have no problem with someone calling me fat" then you are willfully missing the point and really... Nothing I can do about that, I guess.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: shanebarry1986 on April 27, 2020, 03:39:30 pm
"Hey, I noticed your nose is crooked. You could fix that." Or is it only people who are overweight?

I don't think fat shaming is good, but your comparison is asinine. Zero people die annually from having a crooked nose. 2.8 million die annually from being obese or overweight. Obesity costs everyone in taxes to pay for emergency services, healthcare, education, in lost man hours etc. Obesity costs about 2 TRILLION dollars per year that's the same as..... ARMED CONFLICT! We should certainly shame people who start armed conflicts, like Bush and Blair.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: CallinIn on April 27, 2020, 04:12:59 pm
I don't think fat shaming is good, but your comparison is asinine.

Fair enough. Wasn't the point of my comment, so I really didn't put much thought into it. Thanks for the stats though.
Those were the only pennies I wanted to throw in here.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: oglop on April 27, 2020, 04:28:49 pm
I don't think fat shaming is good, but your comparison is asinine. Zero people die annually from having a crooked nose. 2.8 million die annually from being obese or overweight. Obesity costs everyone in taxes to pay for emergency services, healthcare, education, in lost man hours etc. Obesity costs about 2 TRILLION dollars per year that's the same as..... ARMED CONFLICT! We should certainly shame people who start armed conflicts, like Bush and Blair.
well, this has certainly got me riled. next time i see a fat person in the street i'll make sure to give them what for
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Colburnnn on April 28, 2020, 07:33:38 am
You know, the 'Golden Rule'... like I said in the first line that you presumably read. "One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself"  <---- That rule.
And if your comeback is immediately "If i was fat, I would have no problem with someone calling me fat" then you are willfully missing the point and really... Nothing I can do about that, I guess.

If your mate started shooting up at the weekend, would you tell them to quit it or stay quiet because you don't want to be a 'dick'.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: tylerthegloob on April 28, 2020, 07:46:50 am
If your mate started shooting up at the weekend, would you tell them to quit it or stay quiet because you don't want to be a 'dick'.

i wouldn't start calling him a junkie or a smackhead... that would make me a dick
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: L I on April 28, 2020, 07:56:47 am
Well what would you do in the situation? Intervene? How so?
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: shanebarry1986 on April 28, 2020, 07:59:11 am
well, this has certainly got me riled. next time i see a fat person in the street i'll make sure to give them what for

Demand they give you back your 2 trillion dollars!
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: CallinIn on April 28, 2020, 08:00:14 am
What tyler said.
Also from experience with dealing with a loved one with addiction, saying things that make them feel worse about themselves tends to make them swing in the opposite direction that you want.  So not only would it be acting like a dick, but it would be ineffectively acting like a dick.

Taking a big ol' back step here. In my experience sticks and stones is usually used when dealing with bullies, or friends who are just being jerks, who call people names... so... it's still used against people being dicks. Why is this an argument?
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: shanebarry1986 on April 28, 2020, 08:04:40 am
i wouldn't start calling him a junkie or a smackhead... that would make me a dick

Unless you believed that so doing would in fact help them. Not saying that it would, or even could, but I have been told by people who lost more weight than my entire weight that fat shaming was pivotal in their weight loss experience.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Colburnnn on April 28, 2020, 08:05:06 am
Well what would you do in the situation? Intervene? How so?

Well I would tell him he is ruining his life. And I wouldn't feel like a 'dick' for doing it, that's for sure. Ignoring an obese persons eating habits though yes, not AS serious, is still something to comment on and also life threatening down the line.

'Body positivity' is utterly disgraceful. That is being a 'dick' not the person calling it out. Can you imagine 'Smoke positivity' 'Drug positivity' How about 'Global warming positivity' No, you can't, because the former were dealt with years ago. Now is the time to tackle 'Body positivity' AKA 'Fat positivity'. Many famous health related people have called for this. Perhaps without directly calling people fat.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Colburnnn on April 28, 2020, 08:06:38 am
i wouldn't start calling him a junkie or a smackhead... that would make me a dick

The person doing drugs is the dick, though, mate. Calling him/her/xir/xer out on it is not.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Colburnnn on April 28, 2020, 08:08:33 am
Unless you believed that so doing would in fact help them. Not saying that it would, or even could, but I have been told by people who lost more weight than my entire weight that fat shaming was pivotal in their weight loss experience.

Correct.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: shanebarry1986 on April 28, 2020, 08:09:02 am
Does the fact that people who are not overweight or obese are in fact a minority in many western countries mean that we're entitled to reparations or easier university admission? Or that we at least get to virtue signal on twitter, and the overweight oppressors must apologize to us and prostrate themselves before us?
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: CallinIn on April 28, 2020, 08:10:33 am
but I have been told by people who lost more weight than my entire weight that fat shaming was pivotal in their weight loss experience.

But they would likely be the exception and not the rule. There are many articles and papers written about how fat shaming and fat stigma causes overweight people to end up getting worse and more out of control. If you want to read some I can link them or send them to you.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Colburnnn on April 28, 2020, 08:12:53 am
But they would likely be the exception and not the rule. There are many articles and papers written about how fat shaming and fat stigma causes overweight people to end up getting worse and more out of control. If you want to read some I can link them or send them to you.

Does 'Body positivity' cause people to lose weight?
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: CallinIn on April 28, 2020, 08:21:52 am
The person doing drugs is the dick, though, mate. Calling him/her/xir/xer out on it is not.

I don't know if you are trolling or what, but you really aren't worth arguing with. You're arguing just for the sake of arguing at this point. I don't know if someone wronged you in the past or you are just willfully like this, but your outlook is really miserable, and I hope it changes with time.

Does 'Body positivity' cause people to lose weight?

No idea. I've got no research on it, so can't answer you there. But if it doesn't, that means both of them are ineffective and not going to work. BUT, one makes people hate themselves and the other makes them feel good about themselves. Whatever side you prefer is a personal choice, but it does say something about your character.

Again, this shouldn't be an argument, but you want it to be. Agree to disagree I guess.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Colburnnn on April 28, 2020, 08:32:55 am
I don't know if you are trolling or what, but you really aren't worth arguing with. You're arguing just for the sake of arguing at this point. I don't know if someone wronged you in the past or you are just willfully like this, but your outlook is really miserable, and I hope it changes with time.

No, I'm not, but I'm beginning to think you are. Calling someone who thinks drug takers are dicks, alcoholics are dicks, obese people are dicks, and MY outlook is miserable. I mean yeah, no point continuing with this as you are clearly not interested in helping them face up to reality. Just let them continue AND make them feel good about it. Indeed, I hope your outlook changes with time. :rolleyes:

No idea. I've got no research on it, so can't answer you there. But if it doesn't, that means both of them are ineffective and not going to work. BUT, one makes people hate themselves and the other makes them feel good about themselves. Whatever side you prefer is a personal choice, but it does say something about your character.

It doesn't. People need a REASON to change these behaviours or addictions. Otherwise they won't. The reason could be financial, (Can't afford the habit) family (Mate became healthy for his daughter) health related. (Best friend had lung failure from smoking - After he came out of hospital never smoked again) Etc etc... A REASON to stop it. Telling people they are 'healthy and attractive at any size' is the opposite of helpful. It's disgusting. And yes, I agree. It says A LOT about your character.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: shanebarry1986 on April 28, 2020, 09:15:35 am
But they would likely be the exception and not the rule. There are many articles and papers written about how fat shaming and fat stigma causes overweight people to end up getting worse and more out of control. If you want to read some I can link them or send them to you.

Sure, I'm just giving my anecdotal experience. Very likely there's a selection bias going on.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Kyndo on April 28, 2020, 09:24:06 am
"Nononono, I'm calling you a stupid, worthless loser because it's true and I love you and want you to change!"  :rolleyes: Good grief.

     Criticism needs to be constructive, else it's just ad hominen. People are often very aware of their own flaws, and drawing attention to them in an unkind manner is going to elicit negative reactions.  For example, many people who are overweight eat as a (unhealthy) coping mechanism. If they feel frustrated, anxious etc, that behaviour is only going to be exacerbated.
   Excessive body-positivity isn't a good thing, I agree, but the converse isn't a good thing either.

Calling a spade a spade is perfectly fine if doing so has net benefits. Name calling very rarely does.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Aristocrat on April 28, 2020, 09:28:11 am
The first issue is that there's no clear definition of 'Fat Shamming'.

One person will describe it as getting viciously mocked by a stranger for their weight.
Another will describe it as not being given a free business class upgrade because they can't fit in the economy seats.

If we take into account the former, no, 'Fat Shamming' does not usually work.

Obesity is usually just a symptom of mental issues such as depression, anxiety and typically a very low self-esteem, particularly if they've been that way for a while. Calling an obese or overweight person a fat sh*t and telling them to get off their lazy ass isn't going to work on someone with already low self-esteem. It might seem counterintuitive, but if the issue is a low self-esteem, motivation and encouragement is what wins the day. Once the confidence builds, so does the effort and motivation.

In the case of an overweight person without low self-esteem, I'd guess a harder approach might work just fine.

Either way, disability, welfare and benefits for obesity needs to stop.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Kyndo on April 28, 2020, 09:31:46 am
^ +1
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Colburnnn on April 28, 2020, 09:39:23 am
"Nononono, I'm calling you a stupid, worthless loser because it's true and I love you and want you to change!"

That ain't it chief. That's not even close to what I said. Worthless loser? Huh? Are you projecting? Being fat doesn't make you a loser. It makes you fat. Being fat is unhealthy, just like smoking, drinking and taking drugs. I said calling fat people fat doesn't make you a dick. Excusing fatness under the guise of 'body positivity' makes you a dick. It's harmful to the person.

Calling a spade a spade is perfectly fine if doing so has net benefits.

Why do things have to have a net benefit to be perfectly fine. And how is that measured? Calling a spade a spade is just that. It has no prerequisite. A spade IS a spade. End of. Could get into the whole trans thing but I won't, but the argument is similar there. In this case I guess the BMI indicates if the spade IS a spade. Maybe you don't like the word 'fat' which, is your call. Other people see no problem with it's use. I don't like 'Body positivity' or 'CIS' but people still use them with no regard for me.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Kyndo on April 28, 2020, 09:51:13 am
"Nononono, I'm calling you a stupid, worthless loser because it's true and I love you and want you to change!"

That ain't it chief. That's not even close to what I said. Worthless loser? Huh? Are you projecting? Being fat doesn't make you a loser. It makes you fat. Being fat is unhealthy, just like smoking, drinking and taking drugs. I said calling fat people fat doesn't make you a dick. Excusing fatness under the guise of 'body positivity' makes you a dick. It's harmful to the person.

You may find the following helpful:

    Hyperbole (/haɪˈpɜːrbəli/; Ancient Greek: ὑπερβολή, huperbolḗ, from ὑπέρ (hupér, 'above') and βάλλω (bállō, 'I throw')) is the use of exaggeration as a rhetorical device or figure of speech. In rhetoric, it is also sometimes known as auxesis (literally 'growth'). As a figure of speech, it is usually not meant to be taken literally.

     Hyperbole may also be used for instances such as, exaggerations for emphasis or effect. The rhetorical device makes a point that could not be conveyed with standard or literal language, or, at least, not stated as effectively. For example, “If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away” (Matthew 5:29). Some may take this literally, but most would understand Jesus’ saying as a bold overstatement to make a point. Understanding hyperboles and their use in context can further one's ability to understand the messages being sent from the speaker.  Hyperbole can be used in a form of humor, excitement, distress, and many other emotions, all depending on the context in which the speaker uses it.

Calling a spade a spade is perfectly fine if doing so has net benefits.

Why do things have to have a net benefit to be perfectly fine?
Why settle for less? Life doesn't have to be a zero-sum game, Colburnnn. I would've assumed that you, as a teacher, would share the sentiment.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Colburnnn on April 28, 2020, 09:59:25 am
I'm signing off on this one as it's going nowhere.

I believe in tough love and reality. It seems many of you believe in coddling and bubbles.

It's been real. See you on another topic. And remember, if you don't like being called fat... Don't be fat. You'll never hear it again.

Happy Ramadan!
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Kayos on April 28, 2020, 10:12:51 am
Does 'Body positivity' cause people to lose weight?

I asked this, and about body shaming, to a friend of mine who works as a PT in a gym, with a master's degree in strength and conditioning.
He said: Typically, people who get body shamed are more likely to regress with any efforts to lose weight or get healthy and stuff. They know they are overweight and all that, and shaming them will just make them feel bad, possibly resorting to comfort food, which is generally unhealthy, and demotivate them.
The best thing is for them to want to lose weight and eat healthier, and then give them encouragement and help to meet their goals.

So, if you want people to lose weight, you need to rethink your approach to overweight people.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: L I on April 28, 2020, 10:32:46 am
They know they are overweight and all that

Do they? Studies show most overweight people believe themselves to be healthy and a normal weight. But you mean the subset of overweight people who go to a PT in a gym? Well yeah, they are working to improve themselves, which is a good thing. Folks would applaud that (except for a few crabs in the bucket I guess).
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Kayos on April 28, 2020, 02:14:36 pm
Do they? Studies show most overweight people believe themselves to be healthy and a normal weight. But you mean the subset of overweight people who go to a PT in a gym? Well yeah, they are working to improve themselves, which is a good thing. Folks would applaud that (except for a few crabs in the bucket I guess).

In these studies, how many were educated vs not? How many people had parents who enabled or encouraged them to be big from a young age to make them feel better?
There are probably even more things I can't think of that might hinder their rational thinking.
But the average overweight Joe, or Jane, I'd assume knows it.
However, making people feel bad about it, is still not the way to go.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: MayorHaggar on April 28, 2020, 05:05:08 pm
gogators and DeMart have had some horrific and comically bad takes, but this is probably the worst.

Which do you prefer?

Korean girls in the West:

(https://tv-fanatic-res.cloudinary.com/iu/s--TCtoJRSU--/t_xlarge_p/cs_srgb,f_auto,fl_strip_profile.lossy,q_auto:420/v1530121318/attachment/grace-park-3.png)

Korean girls in Korea:

(https://static.asiachan.com/Im.Yoona.full.166508.jpg)
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Colburnnn on April 28, 2020, 09:38:46 pm
Korea and it’s not even close.

Do you wear glasses?
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Liechtenstein on April 29, 2020, 07:32:42 am
You've claimed to not drink in one thread, while claiming to love alcohol in the other.
You claim you skied in the alps before most of us were born while claiming to be 30yrs old in another thread.

While we might not know your BMI, everyone here knows your BSI is completely off the charts.
Go away, nobody takes you or your trolling seriously anymore.


I forget what I write because....well, it's simply not important. No one would believe the truth anyway and I'm not worried what anyone thinks in the first place. I'm not trolling. That's such a cop-out word for young children who can't engage.

It's not my tempo, man.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: stoat on April 29, 2020, 07:36:50 am
I see the overweight and obese categories have been creeping up slowly over the last few days. Maybe they took longer to get round to voting  :smiley:
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: CO2 on April 29, 2020, 07:38:44 am
Mr. Mayor, you picked a shitty pic of Grace Park.

Everyone else; google Grace Park hot. That's the good shit.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Aristocrat on April 29, 2020, 07:43:56 am
Tanned and athletic Asian women are a great combination, cute and sexy. The super skinny and anemic look doesn't do much for me.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: stoat on April 29, 2020, 07:49:30 am
Mr. Mayor, you picked a shitty pic of Grace Park.

Everyone else; google Grace Park hot. That's the good shit.

Good to see older ladies (46) getting the appreciation they deserve. 
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: OnNut81 on April 29, 2020, 07:51:29 am
Mr. Mayor, you picked a shitty pic of Grace Park.

Everyone else; google Grace Park hot. That's the good shit.

If I googled Grace Park I would expect to see a photo of at least one Korean employee from every hakwan I have  ever worked.  If I really wanted to overload the system I'd throw in a Sunny Kim to boot.  Anyways, I preferred the cop Korean pic.  She doesn't look she's going to break into cutey poses at any point on social media or Instagram a meal. 
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: stoat on April 29, 2020, 07:54:30 am
If I googled Grace Park I would expect to see a photo of at least one Korean employee from every hakwan I have  ever worked.  If I really wanted to overload the system I'd throw in a Sunny Kim to boot.  Anyways, I preferred the cop Korean pic.  She doesn't look she's going to break into cutey poses at any point on social media or Instagram a meal. 

Or take six episodes of a drama to get round to snogging someone.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: oglop on April 29, 2020, 07:55:49 am
Or take six episodes of a drama to get round to snogging someone.
quite a few "romantic" wrist grabs in episode one though
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: stoat on April 29, 2020, 07:57:52 am
yes that's a staple
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: stoat on April 29, 2020, 08:01:10 am
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Or take six episodes of a drama to get round to snogging someone.
quite a few "romantic" wrist grabs in episode one though


Good idea to get all the TV criticism out of the way in the morning, so these comments will be buried before a certain person turns up in the afternoon :wink:
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Colburnnn on April 29, 2020, 08:04:15 am
Who is that dark skinned cop anyway? Never seen her before. I'm interested in her ethnic background.

The original 'Korean in Korea v Korean in America' (Do you mean mixed ethnicity aka an American, not a Korean, with one Korean parent)

I would be surprised and humble if that person had Korean parents (Whom were born and raised in Korea)
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: CO2 on April 29, 2020, 08:05:47 am

Good idea to get all the TV criticism out of the way in the morning, so these comments will be buried before a certain person turns up in the afternoon :wink:

You just don't get it. Watching a stranger/C-list celeb fold clothes and prepare kalguksu is CATHARTIC. 
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: CO2 on April 29, 2020, 08:07:02 am
Who is that dark skinned cop anyway? Never seen her before. I'm interested in her ethnic background.

I would be surprised and humble if that person had Korean parents (Whom were born and raised in Korea)

She was in Battlestar Galactica. Her parents are both Korean.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Colburnnn on April 29, 2020, 08:07:46 am
She was in Battlestar Galactica. Her parents are both Korean.

Oh really! That's cool. What's her name?

Not criticising before I'm accused of that. Just wondering if both of her parents were born and raised in Korea.

Edit: My bad, it's early. Coffee time I guess!  :cheesy:
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: CO2 on April 29, 2020, 08:08:33 am
Oh really! That's cool. What's her name?

We discussed this earlier in the thread, Colburn. haha

Grace Park
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Colburnnn on April 29, 2020, 08:13:54 am
Born in Los Angeles - Uh huh
Park moved with her family to Canada when she was 22 months old - Uh huh
She was raised in the Vancouver neighbourhood of Kerrisdale - Uh huh
Park was born to Korean parents - Right
She hold dual citizenship, Canadian and American - Uh huh
Park is also a former member of NXIVM, an alleged sex cult - Interesting

So she is Canadian/American, with Korean Ethnicity

'Korean girls v Canadian/American Girls with Korean ethnicity' Korean Girls win 60% of the time, every time.

Anyway, were not supposed to be judging ladies appearances, don't want this thread locked too...
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: stoat on April 29, 2020, 08:18:02 am
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Korean Girls win 60% of the time, every time.

Sounds like a bit of a contradiction
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Colburnnn on April 29, 2020, 08:20:04 am
Sounds like a bit of a contradiction

Sounds like anchorman.

It's not a contest. It's not even close.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: CO2 on April 29, 2020, 08:27:51 am
Born in Los Angeles - Uh huh
Park moved with her family to Canada when she was 22 months old - Uh huh
She was raised in the Vancouver neighbourhood of Kerrisdale - Uh huh
Park was born to Korean parents - Right
She hold dual citizenship, Canadian and American - Uh huh
Park is also a former member of NXIVM, an alleged sex cult - Interesting

So she is Canadian/American, with Korean Ethnicity

'Korean girls v Canadian/American Girls with Korean ethnicity' Korean Girls win 60% of the time, every time.

Anyway, were not supposed to be judging ladies appearances, don't want this thread locked too...

I have no idea what you're trying to say with this post. hahaha
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: hangook77 on April 29, 2020, 10:29:03 am
Born in Los Angeles - Uh huh
Park moved with her family to Canada when she was 22 months old - Uh huh
She was raised in the Vancouver neighbourhood of Kerrisdale - Uh huh
Park was born to Korean parents - Right
She hold dual citizenship, Canadian and American - Uh huh
Park is also a former member of NXIVM, an alleged sex cult - Interesting

So she is Canadian/American, with Korean Ethnicity

'Korean girls v Canadian/American Girls with Korean ethnicity' Korean Girls win 60% of the time, every time.

Anyway, were not supposed to be judging ladies appearances, don't want this thread locked too...

They win?  Every time?   

????
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Kayos on April 29, 2020, 02:40:59 pm
For those interested in working out at home, I bought a couple of these recently...

http://global.gmarket.co.kr/item?goodsCode=1635680818

http://global.gmarket.co.kr/item?goodsCode=1717710832

Expensive but pretty awesome. Just wish they went a bit higher than 24kg (for dumbbell press mainly).

Anyway, I have most of my bases covered between these, a flat bench, and a telescopic pull-up bar. The pull-up bar is the door frame type, except it screws outward and wedges itself between the vertical surfaces of the door frame. No screws necessary (happy landlord) and super sturdy. I found all of the above on Gmarket.

Do you get 2 for that price, or just 1? Gmarket uses a lot of pictures so it's a pain to try translate it haha.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: CO2 on April 29, 2020, 02:52:23 pm
Do you get 2 for that price, or just 1? Gmarket uses a lot of pictures so it's a pain to try translate it haha.


https://www.waygook.org/index.php?topic=99098.msg823570;topicseen#new (https://www.waygook.org/index.php?topic=99098.msg823570;topicseen#new)
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Colburnnn on April 29, 2020, 03:06:38 pm
MOST of the time then. Below a 7 it gets hazy. The Canadian/Americans might start to compete then.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Kayos on April 29, 2020, 03:07:49 pm

https://www.waygook.org/index.php?topic=99098.msg823570;topicseen#new (https://www.waygook.org/index.php?topic=99098.msg823570;topicseen#new)

Why did you link me to the ranting thread? O.o
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: CO2 on April 29, 2020, 03:09:04 pm
Why did you link me to the ranting thread? O.o

Because I agree that it's annoying.

EDIT: Haha, I'm not trying to redirect your post, just saying how I feel.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: hangook77 on April 29, 2020, 03:10:39 pm
Do you get 2 for that price, or just 1? Gmarket uses a lot of pictures so it's a pain to try translate it haha.

That's actually not too bad.  Extra shipping cost though?  Might save time at the gym especially when dolts hog one weight forever and do every single exercise with that one weight plus sitting on the bench playing on their phone resting and holding up others rep set increase work outs.  Just do at home. 
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Kayos on April 29, 2020, 03:14:17 pm
Because I agree that it's annoying.

EDIT: Haha, I'm not trying to redirect your post, just saying how I feel.

Ahh, all good. Yeah, I find it highly annoying as well. Especially when they say the product info is in English and you get the product info in both Korean and the pictures haha.

I've been interested in purchasing these dumbells though, but not sure if you only get 1 or 2, cause a lot of the pictures show 2.
However, I see a x1, so I'm a little confused. haha
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: L I on June 07, 2020, 05:08:28 am
I'm not making any of this information up, lol. This is the world of bodybuilding.

The science behind obtaining 1% body fat without killing yourself DOES exists, and it's sound, but it requires a very strict and extreme lifestyle that most people will not be able to commit to.

Low body fat elite level athletes are 6-13%.

10% looks damn good. (So does 13%.)

There is fat around organs protecting against the impact of sudden jarring movements. Humans need a bit of body fat to survive. For example, the brain is made of fat.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: L I on June 07, 2020, 05:32:56 am
No, it's possible to get down to those numbers, but you have to have a very strict workout routine and lifestyle and eat crazy amounts of food in order to maintain it. This is why professional bodybuilders have "seasons" lol. They don't do it year round, it's a difficult lifestyle to maintain. They only go no-holds-barred when they're getting ready for competition, and that's when they're getting down to around 1-2% body fat.

Here's a professional bodybuilder case study:

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/7eb2/f2177a56705379065088b3480ce75329fd8e.pdf

He was 14.8% and 14.6% body fat on the off season and got down to a low of 4.5% for the contest.
_________________
Pro bodybuilders at the top level are about 4-6% bodyfat on stage. At the amateur / drug tested / regional levels it's higher, maybe 7ish% on average.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: L I on June 07, 2020, 05:33:48 am
It's basically the most inaccurate way of checking because it's based on comparing you to an average, and that average isn't formulated to accommodate anything that could affect those numbers.

For people who don't understand why this matters, bodybuilders are considered morbidly obese according to their BMIs.

It's just the fastest way of determining where you might sit on a scale. And while most people do fit within certain ranges for their heights and builds, your BMI is going to be widely inaccurate if your makeup falls even a little outside of the calculated norm.

Nope, morbidly obese, lol. These are people with 1-2% body fat, but with a lot of muscle, and muscle is a lot more dense than fat, so it weighs more.

They're not actually morbidly obese, of course, but their BMIs say they are.

Here are the most highly awarded bodybuilders and their BMIs. 30 is the border between overweight and obese; 40 is the threshold for morbidly obese.

Won Mr. Olympia Seven Times:
Arnold Schwarzenegger: 30; Phil Heath: 35.4
Won Mr. Olympia Eight Times:
Lee Haney: 35.5; Ronnie Coleman: 40


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1sTG7Pg8IQ

To say bodybuilders are morbidly obese is inaccurate. To say Ronnie Coleman - the greatest of all time - got into the lower end of the range is true.

It's way easier to gain fat than gain muscle. To become Mr. Olympia requires exceptional genetic potential, thousands of dollars a month spent on steroids and other performance enhancing drugs, and a lot of hard work. How many English teachers in Korea will ever get their bodybuilding pro card?
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Chinguetti on June 07, 2020, 09:42:07 am
30 is not overweight, it's obese, according to BMI.

But, you're right, 40+ is considered morbidly obese.

And I'm telling you there are many people in the bodybuilding industry who weigh in at 40+ BMI. You're not going to find a standard by cherry-picking at a few well known ones, especially when they're going lean. Their BMIs fluctuate up and down depending on what they're trying to do. But okay, if you want to die on that hill, feel free. It doesn't change my point at all.

As for fat %, I'll let you think what you want, but the industry is what it is, and, regardless of what you think they're actually able to attain (despite the numerous cases of bodybuilders with fat %s that could not even be registered at all because they were just too low, and the numbers of those who did die as a result), there's no denying that even 3-5% body fat is fairly non-existent. And yet, people like this still clock in at obese to morbidly obese, according to their BMIs.

To say bodybuilders are morbidly obese is inaccurate.

Yes, it is absolutely inaccurate. That was my whole statement about BMI -- that it's incredibly inaccurate and cannot be relied upon as the only source of measuring one's health or fitness level. It doesn't actually measure fat %. It gives you an estimation based on an assumption being made between body weight, height, and age ratios, and it absolutely cannot adjust for anything that sits outside of that scope. Even the U.S. military understands this very simple concept. That's why they will not rule out anyone who tries to enlist based on their BMIs alone. They have to give you a visual look-see first, to make sure you're not just someone who's got a large build, a lot of muscle, and/or dense bones.

Sorry if that escaped your analysis.

I'm not at all here to argue whether most NETs are overweight (although I don't in fact agree with that, but that's beside my point). I was only making a statement that you can't really get accurate measurements using BMI.  :azn:
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Titus Groan on June 07, 2020, 10:34:46 am
Here are the most highly awarded bodybuilders and their BMIs. 30 is the border between overweight and obese; 40 is the threshold for morbidly obese.

Won Mr. Olympia Seven Times:
Arnold Schwarzenegger: 30; Phil Heath: 35.4
Won Mr. Olympia Eight Times:
Lee Haney: 35.5; Ronnie Coleman: 40


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1sTG7Pg8IQ

To say bodybuilders are morbidly obese is inaccurate. To say Ronnie Coleman - the greatest of all time - got into the lower end of the range is true.

It's way easier to gain fat than gain muscle. To become Mr. Olympia requires exceptional genetic potential, thousands of dollars a month spent on steroids and other performance enhancing drugs, and a lot of hard work. How many English teachers in Korea will ever get their bodybuilding pro card?

Anyone who thinks looking like that juice - monkey freak is something to aspire to needs their head read...!
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: L I on June 07, 2020, 11:16:47 am
Even the U.S. military understands this very simple concept.

Is that true?

A google search showed the Army, Air Force, Marines, and Coast Guard use BMI, while the Navy sets a maximum body fat percentage, which is determined by BMI + neck, hip, waist measurements.

http://fitness.bizcalcs.com/Calculator.asp?Calc=Body-Fat-Navy

https://www.livestrong.com/article/359551-military-bmi-requirements/
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Chinguetti on June 07, 2020, 11:48:26 am
Is that true?

A google search showed the Army, Air Force, Marines, and Coast Guard use BMI, while the Navy sets a maximum body fat percentage, which is determined by BMI + neck, hip, waist measurements.

http://fitness.bizcalcs.com/Calculator.asp?Calc=Body-Fat-Navy

https://www.livestrong.com/article/359551-military-bmi-requirements/

Absolutely true. I'm an army brat, spent half of my life living in or around military bases, and I grew up knowing recruiters.

The military does have BMI requirements, but, while the process is not automatic, they will overrule the BMI requirements upon physical inspection (those measurements you're talking about) because they know very well how misleading BMI can be. No recruiter is going to turn away an incredibly fit and muscular candidate just because his BMI says he's ineligible. It's a ballpark number to help weed through large groups, it's not the end-all-be-all. If your BMI says you're obese and you look the part, you're out. But if your BMI says you're obese and you walk in looking like Dwayne Johnson, they're going to send you to an expert or a hospital for a more accurate fat% reading to put down on your paperwork before they send you off to boot camp.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: JNM on June 12, 2020, 03:22:02 am
Absolutely true. I'm an army brat, spent half of my life living in or around military bases, and I grew up knowing recruiters.

The military does have BMI requirements, but, while the process is not automatic, they will overrule the BMI requirements upon physical inspection (those measurements you're talking about) because they know very well how misleading BMI can be. No recruiter is going to turn away an incredibly fit and muscular candidate just because his BMI says he's ineligible. It's a ballpark number to help weed through large groups, it's not the end-all-be-all. If your BMI says you're obese and you look the part, you're out. But if your BMI says you're obese and you walk in looking like Dwayne Johnson, they're going to send you to an expert or a hospital for a more accurate fat% reading to put down on your paperwork before they send you off to boot camp.

I knew a scrawny  USAF airman who was kicked out on a medical because his neck was too big. He was a tooth-pick otherwise, but I guess the airforce doesn't make 18 1/2 inch uniform shirts or something.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Chinguetti on June 12, 2020, 08:39:23 am
I knew a scrawny  USAF airman who was kicked out on a medical because his neck was too big. He was a tooth-pick otherwise, but I guess the airforce doesn't make 18 1/2 inch uniform shirts or something.

That sucks for him.

They probably decided he was too much of a health risk. With or without obesity, having an unusually large neck, especially when it's not in proportion to the rest of your body, is linked to all types of health issues and is often a sign of something wrong in the body (I'd say this is especially so with someone who is skinny everywhere else). Even if he wasn't currently suffering from any of these issues, the air force probably decided he wasn't worth the risk. That, or someone wanted him gone and used that as an excuse to get rid of him. It is the air force, after all.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: JNM on June 15, 2020, 04:41:20 am
I caught a glace at myself in the mirror today... am I looking pretty good for an obese BMI 34 guy, or what?
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Kyndo on June 15, 2020, 08:20:02 am
You probably should take off your shoes before weighing yourself for your BMI info: they look like they're made of solid cast iron!
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: AvecPommesFrites on June 15, 2020, 08:29:41 am
You probably should take off your shoes before weighing yourself for your BMI info: they look like they're made of solid cast iron!

KimDuHan is filling a police report right now for 'foreigner wearing cast iron shoes inside building'. 
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on June 15, 2020, 11:48:10 am
The photo makes me think you're either 4'11" or 5'7" or 6'3" and only one of those three options, nothing in-between.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: dippedinblush on June 15, 2020, 12:24:34 pm
You probably should take off your shoes before weighing yourself for your BMI info: they look like they're made of solid cast iron!

I've been giggling at this randomly all morning!  Thanks kyndo!  (btw they totally look like solid cast iron clogs)
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: JNM on June 15, 2020, 12:35:27 pm
You probably should take off your shoes before weighing yourself for your BMI info: they look like they're made of solid cast iron!

LoL

Those are my indoor shoes - Finn Comfort clogs. They don’t weigh as much as they look.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Chinguetti on June 15, 2020, 12:39:11 pm
Most NETs don't think their shoes weigh very much, but they're actually quite heavy.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: CO2 on June 15, 2020, 12:41:09 pm
If most of us are fat and/or unattractive, does that mean NET weight is gross weight?
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: JNM on June 15, 2020, 01:40:56 pm
The photo makes me think you're either 4'11" or 5'7" or 6'3" and only one of those three options, nothing in-between.

Height is a quantum function. Yes, those are the only valid answers. I exist in all three states, depending on my excitation.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: oglop on June 15, 2020, 02:46:10 pm
JNM are you american? you can usually tell americans by their jeans
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: CO2 on June 15, 2020, 02:48:46 pm
JNM are you american? you can usually tell americans by their jeans

He's a Canuck.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: JNM on June 15, 2020, 02:51:20 pm
JNM are you american? you can usually tell americans by their jeans

I’m Canadian, but these jeans are from an American store (likely made in Bangladesh).  :)

This is my “work from home” attire, I usually wear tailored suits to the office.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on June 15, 2020, 04:36:18 pm
Height is a quantum function. Yes, those are the only valid answers. I exist in all three states, depending on my excitation.
Then the three letters in your name are your three quantum states?

My mind is blown. JNM won waygook.org today.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: JNM on June 15, 2020, 05:06:09 pm
Then the three letters in your name are your three quantum states?

My mind is blown. JNM won waygook.org today.

Don’t get me excited. I’ll rip my favourite American jeans.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: dippedinblush on June 15, 2020, 08:53:43 pm
Don’t get me excited. I’ll rip my favourite American jeans.

From a girls perspective:  You are a handsome man but you need to pull those quantum leap American jeans up and wear a belt so they stay put and don't look like hip huggers on your skinny waist! Then put on a crisp white tank top underneath a dark coloured "team shirt" of your choice..and don't wear those cast iron crocs on film! hehe 


Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: JNM on June 15, 2020, 09:03:22 pm
From a girls perspective:  You are a handsome man but you need to pull those American jeans up and wear a belt so they stay put and don't look like hip huggers! Then put on a crisp white tank top underneath a dark coloured sports shirt.

Thanks. I usually do wear a belt. This was a “pull something on quick, the dog needs out now!”
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: dippedinblush on June 15, 2020, 09:06:48 pm
Thanks. I usually do wear a belt. This was a “pull something on quick, the dog needs out now!”

Dog is not a euphemism....or is it?
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: JNM on June 15, 2020, 09:37:10 pm
Dog is not a euphemism....or is it?
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: dippedinblush on June 15, 2020, 09:46:15 pm
Aww sweet puppers!! 
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: JNM on June 16, 2020, 06:07:05 pm
So... my 34 BMI, non-Mr.-Olympia self may not have much fashion sense, but no comments so far calling me a fatso.

Where are all the BMI zealots?

Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: L I on June 16, 2020, 06:58:03 pm
What's your height and weight?
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: JNM on June 16, 2020, 07:11:41 pm
What's your height and weight?

171 cm
100 kg
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: L I on June 16, 2020, 07:27:05 pm
Are you an even 100kg (exactly) or is that an estimate?

The stats mean you are 5 foot 6, 220 pounds?

Maybe the mirror has a sliming effect due to the construction and/or angle?

Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: JNM on June 16, 2020, 07:34:58 pm
Are you an even 100kg (exactly) or is that an estimate?

The stats mean you are 5 foot 6, 220 pounds?

Maybe the mirror has a sliming effect due to the construction and/or angle?



100 +\- 0.5 kg over the past few months of measurements.

Photo is straight on a flat mirror. No camera tricks.

Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: L I on June 16, 2020, 07:40:45 pm
33% fat

Above 25% body fat in males is obese; you are firmly in the obese category. So the BMI is accurate. And BMI usually is an accurate measure. (Almost always, despite the rare exceptions of roided up bodybuilders overweight people like to tout.)

But why do you look thin in the picture?

The camera makes images slimmer due to the lens being slightly bent or something?
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: JNM on June 16, 2020, 08:19:41 pm
Most people underestimate my weight in person too.

I do have a bit of a dad-bod paunch that doesn’t show much on the photo.

I don’t think that fat number is very accurate. It’s from an InBody home unit I got at Costco. (Edit: has I suspect it is biased high, but it is quite variable week to week.)

I bulk up quick when I get more active, so my weight never changes much. (Summer of 2018 notwithstanding - I porked up!)

I have a long torso relative to my legs, so that skews things as well.

In short, I could lose a few kilos of fat, but even “18 year old active me” would never have got to “ideal” BMI of ~160 lbs.


Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Aristocrat on June 17, 2020, 07:15:49 am
Most people underestimate my weight in person too.

I do have a bit of a dad-bod paunch that doesn’t show much on the photo.

I don’t think that fat number is very accurate. It’s from an InBody home unit I got at Costco. (Edit: has I suspect it is biased high, but it is quite variable week to week.)

I bulk up quick when I get more active, so my weight never changes much. (Summer of 2018 notwithstanding - I porked up!)

I have a long torso relative to my legs, so that skews things as well.

In short, I could lose a few kilos of fat, but even “18 year old active me” would never have got to “ideal” BMI of ~160 lbs.

BMI does work to an extent, but it's widely used for logistical convenience (easy to get BMIs of 1000 guys in a day). Best way to judge is to look in the mirror and compare your bodyfat % to pics online (Athlean X one is pretty accurate). Over time, your ability to judge by looking will improve.

Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Ronnie Omelettes on June 17, 2020, 07:27:49 am
Quote
BMI was devised in the 1830s by Lambert Adolphe Jacques Quetelet (1796-1874), a Belgian mathematician, sociologist, statistician and astronomer.

It was never meant to used medically like it is today. 
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on June 17, 2020, 09:10:21 am
Wouldn't it just be easier if everyone was honest with themselves? It seems that rather than simplifying and making things objective, all these different formulas have just complicated things even further and become borderline useless anyways.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Aristocrat on June 17, 2020, 10:05:26 am
Wouldn't it just be easier if everyone was honest with themselves? It seems that rather than simplifying and making things objective, all these different formulas have just complicated things even further and become borderline useless anyways.

Well, objectivity is required when you're into bodybuilding or whatever and you need an objective measure to grade and help tweak any eating or training programmes. A reasonably intelligent person should be able to figure out the validity and limitations of the various metrics. 

When it comes to general health, it seems that honesty isn't easy to expect from someone with a weight issue, particularly as many like myself believe that almost always psychological issues that lead to eating disorders. Many obese/anorexic folks have developed strong defense mechanisms to cope with the anxiety that comes with their weight and denial is one of the most common.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: tylerthegloob on June 17, 2020, 11:05:42 am
i've been on a cut for two or three weeks now and i've lost about a kilogram and a half. feelsgoodman. turns out skateboarding is pretty OK cardio, too. i'm even less overweight than i was before and it was all just to spite this thread

[edit: "i'm even more not overweight than i was before" is what i meant to say, i think (?)]
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Colburnnn on June 17, 2020, 11:08:26 am
Cool
story
bro!
Skateboarding
in
2020! Whoa dude, that's so rad. Totally hipster and stuff.
You're such a dude man!
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: tylerthegloob on June 17, 2020, 11:13:28 am
most excellent!
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Aristocrat on June 17, 2020, 11:27:27 am
Cool
story
bro!
Skateboarding
in
2020! Whoa dude, that's so rad. Totally hipster and stuff.
You're such a dude man!

As a surfer, not many things are cringier than someone trying to use trite surf/skate lingo that hasn't been uttered since Wayne's World.

Tylerthegloob, did you get a proper shortboard deck or one of those tiny things I see the kids on these days?
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Colburnnn on June 17, 2020, 11:28:54 am
As a surfer, not many things are cringier than someone trying to use trite surf/skate lingo that hasn't been uttered since Wayne's World.

Tylerthegloob, did you get a proper shortboard deck or one of those tiny things I see the kids on these days?

/s come on man. That eye serum really get ya that bad? dudebro?
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: tylerthegloob on June 17, 2020, 11:35:00 am
Tylerthegloob, did you get a proper shortboard deck or one of those tiny things I see the kids on these days?

proper street deck! 7.75" with smallish (53mm?) wheels
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Aristocrat on June 17, 2020, 11:45:50 am
/s come on man. That eye serum really get ya that bad? dudebro?

I still have scars from my youth, buddies and I walking to the train station with our surfboards and hearing "Cowabanga!", "Watch out for the sharks" and "Hey, dude!" at least 20X a trip over the span of a few years.

Don't mock the eye serum, you wish you were half as pretty as me.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Aristocrat on June 17, 2020, 11:47:45 am
proper street deck! 7.75" with smallish (53mm?) wheels

The only way to go.
Hope you find some great spots.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Kyndo on June 17, 2020, 12:02:32 pm
"Cowab**u**nga!"

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/c/cc/Angry_Mikey.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/340?cb=20130216210458)
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Colburnnn on June 17, 2020, 12:33:13 pm
I still have scars from my youth, buddies and I walking to the train station with our surfboards and hearing "Cowabanga!", "Watch out for the sharks" and "Hey, dude!" at least 20X a trip over the span of a few years.

Don't mock the eye serum, you wish you were half as pretty as me.

I'm a bloke, mate, so not really arsed about being pretty. You do you tho boo. Hang ten!
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Aristocrat on June 17, 2020, 12:43:25 pm
I'm a bloke, mate, so not really arsed about being pretty. You do you tho boo. Hang ten!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYDPXIRwMBE
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: JNM on June 17, 2020, 03:31:18 pm
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Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: JNM on June 19, 2020, 03:09:36 pm
Today’s readings... they don’t make any sense at all.


Addendum: up from 33 last week. No way 7 kg of fat added! I haven’t eaten 7 kg of food!
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: L I on June 19, 2020, 03:35:41 pm
The readings mean you’re obese. You think you’re not but you are. I don’t want to be a jerk ‘cause you’re a nice guy, but that’s the truth. A lot of folks are in denial. That’s human nature.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: L I on June 19, 2020, 03:37:40 pm
PSA: If your BMI says you’re overweight, you probably are. If your BMI says you’re obese, you probably are.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Kyndo on June 21, 2020, 06:00:10 am
LI, LI, LI.  He's not dense (uh, no, that wasn't a fat joke, I swear!). He's proclaiming disbelief over the recent change in BMI, not over the fact that his BMI is above average.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: L I on June 21, 2020, 07:14:21 am
The post was recently edited. I'll leave up what I wrote as a public service announcement. BMI is usually (but not always) accurate.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: L I on June 21, 2020, 07:20:57 am
Most doctors say it is the best method they have, it's pretty accurate, can be measured simply in clinic and is acceptable to patients.

"It works in the vast majority of people, the vast majority of time," says Prof Naveed Sattar, from the University of Glasgow.


https://www.bbc.com/news/health-43895508

But does it work for everyone?

No, not all.

And this provoked a few comments along these lines: "Why, in this day and age, are you using BMI to tell people they are overweight? It is an outdated method that does not take into consideration muscle and actual health! I am extremely fit and healthy with a low body fat percentage, yet your BMI tells me (and many more self-conscious girls) that I am overweight!"

There are some people who carry a lot of muscle and little fat, like bodybuilders, boxers and rugby players.

Muscle is much denser than fat so they may end up with a BMI that classes them as obese, despite the fact they may be fit and healthy.

But this is thought to apply to fewer than 1% of the population. Most people aren't extreme athletes.

Tim Cole, professor of medical statistics, at University College London Great Ormond Street Institute of Child Health, said BMI was "still extremely relevant".

"You don't see many bodybuilders around but you do see lots of people with large waists. Many people get exercised about that wrongly."
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Kyndo on June 21, 2020, 08:23:31 am
Sure, no doubt. Although I would add that it really is more a "ballpark figure" kind of accuracy, which is what BMI's were originally intended for, I guess.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: JNM on June 21, 2020, 01:45:18 pm
Sure, no doubt. Although I would add that it really is more a "ballpark figure" kind of accuracy, which is what BMI's were originally intended for, I guess.

It was originally developed to assess the underweight.
Title: Re: Quote: Most Nets are overweight (LI)
Post by: Don Hobak on June 21, 2020, 02:42:15 pm
It was originally developed to assess the underweight.

Funny given that there are multiple categories for overweight, but just one for under. I’m guessing those categories were added later as excess weight became a more of an issue among a greater number of people. And you can only become so thin and still maintain life, whereas pounds can seemingly be added on without limit.

My dad told me recently that my sister had been losing too much weight and looked “scary” thin. When I asked her to see a doctor she challenged me to calculate her BMI, and she was still well within normal range.* Thin ain’t what it used to be?

*Even so, losing a bunch of weight without trying to is a worrisome sign and deserves a doctor’s visit, no matter what your BMI comes out to.