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Title: Should I put a comma before “but” in this sentence?
Post by: BentleyCole on February 25, 2020, 08:49:23 pm
“They have the strongest bonds with the guys still here—as opposed to people like Phil, whom the older guys know well, but the younger guys don’t.”

I’m veering toward no because “the younger guys don’t” isn’t an independent clause, and, therefore, the normal rules about adding a comma before a coordinating conjunction when combining two independent clauses technically don’t apply.

But is that truly not an independent clause? In the phrase “the younger guys don’t” is there an implied “know [him] well,” thus making the clause independent. I’m having a hard time figuring out whether a clause is independent or dependent when it involves who/whom constructs because, although they contain a subject, verb, and an object, they don’t sound like independent clauses to the ear (I know the he/who rule).shareit (https://shareit.onl/) appvn (https://appvn.onl/)

For example, is the phrase “who rules here” an independent clause because it’s equal, grammatically speaking, to “he rules here,”?

There should be no comma before the but (strictly speaking) in the above sentence, correct?
Title: Re: Should I put a comma before “but” in this sentence?
Post by: slycordinator on February 27, 2020, 01:10:39 pm
“They have the strongest bonds with the guys still here—as opposed to people like Phil, whom the older guys know well, but the younger guys don’t.”

I’m veering toward no because “the younger guys don’t” isn’t an independent clause, and, therefore, the normal rules about adding a comma before a coordinating conjunction when combining two independent clauses technically don’t apply.

But is that truly not an independent clause? In the phrase “the younger guys don’t” is there an implied “know [him] well,” thus making the clause independent. I’m having a hard time figuring out whether a clause is independent or dependent when it involves who/whom constructs because, although they contain a subject, verb, and an object, they don’t sound like independent clauses to the ear (I know the he/who rule).
"the younger guys don't" doesn't form a complete thought on its own, so it cannot be an independent clause. If you imply that they mean "the younger guys don't (know him well)", then you clearly see how the clause depends on the prior one.
Title: Re: Should I put a comma before “but” in this sentence?
Post by: VanIslander on February 27, 2020, 08:28:40 pm
Of course not.
Title: Re: Should I put a comma before “but” in this sentence?
Post by: slycordinator on February 28, 2020, 01:53:47 pm
I didn't notice that this was a bot post. It's just an account set up to have the link in the bottom of the profile.