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Title: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: Piggydee on January 29, 2020, 09:20:20 am
Desk warming and I thought I'd stir the pot LOL  I'm not sure if this has been posted but please link me to the thread so this can be merged with that one. 

Thoughts?  I really want to know who this girl is.  I'd like to hear her side of the story. 

https://www.koreaboo.com/stories/korean-parents-canadian-english-teacher-arrested-child-abuse-showing-bbc-video-human-flesh/ (https://www.koreaboo.com/stories/korean-parents-canadian-english-teacher-arrested-child-abuse-showing-bbc-video-human-flesh/)
Title: Re: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: T.J. on January 29, 2020, 11:38:12 am
I think it was discussed here

https://www.waygook.org/index.php?topic=119142.0
Title: Re: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 29, 2020, 03:26:30 pm
Alright, which of you fellow degenerates saw that title and thought something else?
Title: Re: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: JNM on January 29, 2020, 07:17:08 pm
Alright, which of you fellow degenerates saw that title and thought something else?

Just you.


[not]
Title: Re: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: Cyanea on January 29, 2020, 10:00:08 pm
Thoughts?  I really want to know who this girl is.  I'd like to hear her side of the story. 

She was  quite unwise, although deciding to show an educational BBC documentary video on a certain subject after kids have discussed it is, maybe, just within the realms of acceptability and forgivability.  A lazy teacher trying to fill in some time at the end of a long day might plausibly knock on such a video thinking that the kids would find it amusing.

Why did the police "arrest her immediately" before they had even investigated? and why is the charge 'child abuse". To understand this type of witch hunt you have to realize the extent to which the korean public has  been poisoned against foreign teachers and conditioned to view them suspiciously by the anti-foreign media.  There is also the age-old inferiority complex by which koreans love to catch the supposedly superior westerners doing something wrong so that they can get to feel superior by criminalizing them.

Many Korean teachers select horrific horror movies to show little kids at halloween which contain scenes far worse. Why are they not penalized?



Title: Re: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: Mr C on January 29, 2020, 10:38:04 pm

Many Korean teachers select horrific horror movies to show little kids at halloween which contain scenes far worse. Why are they not penalized?


You mentioned this in the other thread.  Can you be specific?  And also not just make stuff up, but demonstrate that it was actually shown in an elementary classroom?

Thanks so much.
Title: Re: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: Cyanea on January 29, 2020, 11:58:12 pm
You mentioned this in the other thread.  Can you be specific?  And also not just make stuff up, but demonstrate that it was actually shown in an elementary classroom?

Thanks so much.

I'm not talking about  elementary schools. Hogwons. They all show horror movies to kids every halloween.

Are you some sort of investigator?

Ok Sherlock just go round the hogwons on October 31st. You'll see them screening any number of extremely disturbing, disgusting and twisted movies to kids. But it all gets a free pass because its halloween!
Title: Re: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: waygo0k on January 30, 2020, 05:48:11 am
I once worked at a public school where my young co teacher decided it would be a good idea to play a korean movie with full nudity and sex scenes in it. Most of the kids already knew the movie and had seen it before.
Title: Re: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: Piggydee on January 30, 2020, 07:11:37 am
She was  quite unwise, although deciding to show an educational BBC documentary video on a certain subject after kids have discussed it is, maybe, just within the realms of acceptability and forgivability.  A lazy teacher trying to fill in some time at the end of a long day might plausibly knock on such a video thinking that the kids would find it amusing.

Why did the police "arrest her immediately" before they had even investigated? and why is the charge 'child abuse". To understand this type of witch hunt you have to realize the extent to which the korean public has  been poisoned against foreign teachers and conditioned to view them suspiciously by the anti-foreign media.  There is also the age-old inferiority complex by which koreans love to catch the supposedly superior westerners doing something wrong so that they can get to feel superior by criminalizing them.

Many Korean teachers select horrific horror movies to show little kids at halloween which contain scenes far worse. Why are they not penalized?





You hit the nail right on the head!  This story plus the not to long ago story of the semi famous Korean singer who tackled that drunk American English teacher is why I think it's high time that I leave.  Plus the amount of sheer disrespect that I got from my travel school 6th graders is all I need to know that I need to switch careers. 
Title: Re: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: oglop on January 30, 2020, 07:18:59 am
i saw a 5th grade homeroom teacher show a full unedited of Saw. actually, according to the kids, all the 5th grade homeroom teachers watched it with their classes
Title: Re: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: Colburnnn on January 30, 2020, 07:42:50 am
My co thought Home Alone 2 was not suitable, but an 18 rated movie with stabbings and shootings was.

They have no idea.
Title: Re: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: Mr C on January 30, 2020, 08:19:13 am
I'm not talking about  elementary schools. Hogwons. They all show horror movies to kids every halloween.

Are you some sort of investigator?

Ok Sherlock just go round the hogwons on October 31st. You'll see them screening any number of extremely disturbing, disgusting and twisted movies to kids. But it all gets a free pass because its halloween!


So, that's a "No" then.
Title: Re: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 30, 2020, 10:44:59 am
To understand this type of witch hunt you have to realize the extent to which the korean public has  been poisoned against foreign teachers and conditioned to view them suspiciously by the anti-foreign media.  There is also the age-old inferiority complex by which koreans love to catch the supposedly superior westerners doing something wrong so that they can get to feel superior by criminalizing them.
In order to believe this you would need some kind of data which supports it, specifically number of negative stories about Korean teachers and arrest incidents featuring Korean teachers vs. NETs. Same with celebrities getting into altercations with drunks. You would also have to compare such things to the number of positive stories.

If you actually look at things through the lens of rationality, rather than through anecdote and the emotion of a high-profile incident, you'd realize that there are far more stories about Korean teachers and plenty of positive stories about foreigners, yo just don't pay as close attention because of bias.
Title: Re: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: Piggydee on January 30, 2020, 01:07:54 pm
Honestly.  I sort of believe the whole Korean homeroom teachers or hakwon directors allowing scary movies to be played in class when THEY DO IT.  I once worked at a hakwon where the director put on a "Walking Dead"ish zombie mask to spook the kinders when they walked into our school on Halloween day.  I laughed real head at his dumba** when he notice "Oh the opened mouth rotten teeth zombie mask is maybe not such a good idea"  Oh but I'm the bad teacher because I don't show enough "skinship" to the children (his words)....YEAH OKAY call the cops on us  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 30, 2020, 02:21:33 pm
Honestly.  I sort of believe the whole Korean homeroom teachers or hakwon directors allowing scary movies to be played in class when THEY DO IT.  I once worked at a hakwon where the director put on a "Walking Dead"ish zombie mask to spook the kinders when they walked into our school on Halloween day.  I laughed real head at his dumba** when he notice "Oh the opened mouth rotten teeth zombie mask is maybe not such a good idea"  Oh but I'm the bad teacher because I don't show enough "skinship" to the children (his words)....YEAH OKAY call the cops on us  :rolleyes:
Here's the thing, and this is the case of it sucks that it's not fair, but that's the way the world is. The fact is that the Korean teachers will be able to handle any problems far easier than us, simply because of the language barrier. They'll be able to give the right warnings. They'll also be more sensitive to the boundaries. They can prime the kids better than we can (generally, yes I'm sure some of us are amazing on Korean or kiddy communication). As far as higher ups go, they're also the ones with skin in the game. If the parents all withdraw the kids and their business goes belly-up that's their call and their money.

So yeah, it's not equal and it's haphazardly applied, but there are some factors. When dealing with a situation where there is a significant language gap and high potential for miscommunication, erring on the side of caution is not the worst system for decision making.
Title: Re: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: leaponover on January 30, 2020, 03:41:43 pm
She was  quite unwise, although deciding to show an educational BBC documentary video on a certain subject after kids have discussed it is, maybe, just within the realms of acceptability and forgivability.  A lazy teacher trying to fill in some time at the end of a long day might plausibly knock on such a video thinking that the kids would find it amusing.

Why did the police "arrest her immediately" before they had even investigated? and why is the charge 'child abuse". To understand this type of witch hunt you have to realize the extent to which the korean public has  been poisoned against foreign teachers and conditioned to view them suspiciously by the anti-foreign media.  There is also the age-old inferiority complex by which koreans love to catch the supposedly superior westerners doing something wrong so that they can get to feel superior by criminalizing them.

Many Korean teachers select horrific horror movies to show little kids at halloween which contain scenes far worse. Why are they not penalized?





What investigation do you need for something like this?

Police:  Did you show the video?
Teacher:  Yes
Police watch the video and determine if it breaks Korean law on child abuse.

Most police in the Western world arrest first and let the facts play out in a courtroom setting.  It's par for the course, no idea why you are holding Korea to higher standards, lol.
Title: Re: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: Lazio on January 30, 2020, 06:37:19 pm
I'm not talking about  elementary schools. Hogwons. They all show horror movies to kids every halloween.

Are you some sort of investigator?

Ok Sherlock just go round the hogwons on October 31st. You'll see them screening any number of extremely disturbing, disgusting and twisted movies to kids. But it all gets a free pass because its halloween!


It's true.
To give a recent example: Chucky shown to first graders and up. Well some kids were actually kindergarten aged, and some moms were there with these youngest kids. There was a snack room, game room etc and a movie room. It's not like all the kids were seated and watched the whole thing. They were moving from one room to another as they pleased, so the little ones could easily end up seeing some inappropriate scenes. So yes, it does happen.
Title: Re: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: Piggydee on January 31, 2020, 07:20:57 am
It's true.
To give a recent example: Chucky shown to first graders and up. Well some kids were actually kindergarten aged, and some moms were there with these youngest kids. There was a snack room, game room etc and a movie room. It's not like all the kids were seated and watched the whole thing. They were moving from one room to another as they pleased, so the little ones could easily end up seeing some inappropriate scenes. So yes, it does happen.

Yeah I agree with the whole Chucky thing.  Most of my kids grades 1~6 know who Chucky is.  I remember when Child's Play first came out, I was frighten at the sheer thought of that movie.  And yes it was RATED R.  The FACT that they allow that  to be played but this teacher gets arrested?!?!  Something tells me she was a crusty teacher to begin with and this hakwon was just looking for anything on her to use as an excuse to fire her or worst yet find a way to have her arrested and deported by immigration.  I knew a guy that was a mediocre teacher at one of my hakwons and the boss created this whole controversy over him "physically assaulting" the students because he would playfully swat the kids over the head with his attendance folder.  One kid complained to his mom that he didn't like that and the boss used that as all the "justification" he needed to fire him.  Oh but it's okay for them to pull their middle fingers back to hit the foreheads of students.  But yeah please call the police on US.  Gotcha!
 
Title: Re: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: Lazio on January 31, 2020, 10:12:25 pm
Yeah I agree with the whole Chucky thing.  Most of my kids grades 1~6 know who Chucky is.  I remember when Child's Play first came out, I was frighten at the sheer thought of that movie.  And yes it was RATED R.  The FACT that they allow that  to be played but this teacher gets arrested?!?!  Something tells me she was a crusty teacher to begin with and this hakwon was just looking for anything on her to use as an excuse to fire her or worst yet find a way to have her arrested and deported by immigration.  I knew a guy that was a mediocre teacher at one of my hakwons and the boss created this whole controversy over him "physically assaulting" the students because he would playfully swat the kids over the head with his attendance folder.  One kid complained to his mom that he didn't like that and the boss used that as all the "justification" he needed to fire him.  Oh but it's okay for them to pull their middle fingers back to hit the foreheads of students.  But yeah please call the police on US.  Gotcha!
 

And the parents are just as "guilty", letting their kids watch things that they shouldn't.
My son is 6. A few months ago he said that all the other kids in his kindergarten class were talking about the latest Marvel crap. Which makes me assume that they watched it. He also wanted to see it badly so that he wouldn't be left out from the conversations. I didn't like the idea but checked out one of the earlier Marvel craps to see if it's okay for him. Hell no! In the very first scene there were half a dozen men gunned down. I won't let my son see that kind of violence at the age of 6. But apparently others don't feel the same way.
Title: Re: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: Cyanea on February 01, 2020, 03:36:50 am
Something tells me she was a crusty teacher to begin with and this hakwon was just looking for anything on her to use as an excuse to fire her or worst yet find a way to have her arrested and deported by immigration. 

A young North American female? Unlikely. Usually they hang on to them like a prize no matter what they do. More likely she got complacent with being treated like royalty for so long that she thought she could kill another 50 minutes with some stupid youtube vid.

Of course once a parent calls the police then they go from adoring subjects to treating her like a leper within about 2 milliseconds.



Title: Re: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: KimDuHan on February 03, 2020, 04:56:37 am
I got warnings for letting the children watch trailers to movies from YouTube during media classes. The Korean co-teacher said the school could get sued and I would be charged possibly.

Another foreign teacher torrented full movies onto usb sticks. Not an eye batted by the Korean co-teacher. Favoritism was at play.

So I told the co-teacher Iíll report the other teacher and her for torrenting movies and showing them to the kids. not another word was said to me the rest of the time I was there.

Title: Re: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: oglop on February 03, 2020, 07:22:31 am
I got warnings for letting the children watch trailers to movies from YouTube during media classes. The Korean co-teacher said the school could get sued and I would be charged possibly.


what
Title: Re: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: Ronnie Omelettes on February 03, 2020, 07:41:23 am
I got warnings for letting the children watch trailers to movies from YouTube during media classes. The Korean co-teacher said the school could get sued and I would be charged possibly.

Another foreign teacher torrented full movies onto usb sticks. Not an eye batted by the Korean co-teacher. Favoritism was at play.

So I told the co-teacher Iíll report the other teacher and her for torrenting movies and showing them to the kids. not another word was said to me the rest of the time I was there.

What goes around comes around, I suppose.  I'm pretty sure you could have dobbed that other teacher in for teaching privates to make yourself feel better.   :undecided:
Title: Re: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: Piggydee on February 03, 2020, 07:59:54 am
what

Yeah is sounds similar to the same ridiculous reasons was to why we can't use Microsoft office products on our computers.  Something about we didn't buy the license and thus I don't know who but I guess Bill Gates would come after us and sue our school.  So there for we have to use HanWord products .....  I even got push back when I said I would install an Office suite on my computer that I'd paid for it (which I did)  Still there was still push back because the school solely have to deal with Hanproducts and Han products only.  Not realizing the foreign contingent of schools and companies can't open or use these products.  But I digress. 
Title: Re: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: stoat on February 03, 2020, 08:53:11 am
I got warnings for letting the children watch trailers to movies from YouTube during media classes. The Korean co-teacher said the school could get sued and I would be charged possibly.

Another foreign teacher torrented full movies onto usb sticks. Not an eye batted by the Korean co-teacher. Favoritism was at play.

So I told the co-teacher Iíll report the other teacher and her for torrenting movies and showing them to the kids. not another word was said to me the rest of the time I was there.



Your co-teacher is wrong, Youtube videos can be used in the classroom under the fair use terms of youtube's copyright rules.

"Fair use allows limited use of copyrighted material without permission from the copyright holder for purposes such as criticism, parody, news reporting, research and scholarship, and teaching."
Title: Re: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: MayorHaggar on February 03, 2020, 06:00:00 pm
I can't imagine fair use exists in Korea. There seem to be no copyright laws at all.

In any case Koreans are notorious for making up completely BS excuses for things they don't want to explain, like "grandma died because fan death" instead of "grandma was an alcoholoic and had a massive stroke."
Title: Re: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: Mr C on February 03, 2020, 07:51:51 pm
I can't imagine fair use exists in Korea. There seem to be no copyright laws at all.

South Korea is a signatory of the Geneva Convention and a member of WIPO.   Enforcement can of course vary by country, but Korea has a copyright commission, and it is certainly true that TV and radio channels follow the rules, though perhaps not your local hof.  Fair use is a thing here. 
Title: Re: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: KimDuHan on February 03, 2020, 10:20:22 pm
Yeah is sounds similar to the same ridiculous reasons was to why we can't use Microsoft office products on our computers.  Something about we didn't buy the license and thus I don't know who but I guess Bill Gates would come after us and sue our school.  So there for we have to use HanWord products .....  I even got push back when I said I would install an Office suite on my computer that I'd paid for it (which I did)  Still there was still push back because the school solely have to deal with Hanproducts and Han products only.  Not realizing the foreign contingent of schools and companies can't open or use these products.  But I digress. 

Anti-google used to be big in Korea!

Google was and in some cases is still seen as anti-naver.

Google chrome was constantly deleted from the computers
Title: Re: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: CO2 on February 03, 2020, 10:32:16 pm
Google chrome was constantly deleted from the computers

The amount of times I've been looked at like a two-headed cow for using Chrome and VLC is timeless.

JuSt UsE GOmpLaYer KeVIn!

Nope.
Title: Re: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: Piggydee on February 04, 2020, 06:59:20 am
Imagine the fun had by all when you send a HANword file or a HANspreadsheet file to an overseas investor or company that needs to network with you  :laugh:
Title: Re: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: Aristocrat on February 04, 2020, 08:39:20 am
South Korea is a signatory of the Geneva Convention and a member of WIPO.   Enforcement can of course vary by country, but Korea has a copyright commission, and it is certainly true that TV and radio channels follow the rules, though perhaps not your local hof.  Fair use is a thing here. 

From what I've seen, I'd say it functions like the traffic laws.
Title: Re: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: lhelena on February 04, 2020, 08:50:39 am
From what I've seen, I'd say it functions like the traffic laws.

It seems like they only care when it's Korean media being used somewhere. If you've ever watched any Korean TV (especially variety shows) they tend to brazenly use sound clips from blockbuster movies and clips of songs. They definitely didn't go through the proper channels for that.
Title: Re: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: oglop on February 04, 2020, 08:54:57 am
It seems like they only care when it's Korean media being used somewhere. If you've ever watched any Korean TV (especially variety shows) they tend to brazenly use sound clips from blockbuster movies and clips of songs. They definitely didn't go through the proper channels for that.
Not sure. They tend to use the same 7 sounds. For everything. so I reckon they were too stingy to pay for any more than those 7
Title: Re: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: Mr C on February 04, 2020, 09:45:22 am
It seems like they only care when it's Korean media being used somewhere. If you've ever watched any Korean TV (especially variety shows) they tend to brazenly use sound clips from blockbuster movies and clips of songs. They definitely didn't go through the proper channels for that.
They definitely do.  There will be a lump-sum agreement with ASCAP etc.   Sort of like how Trump can use REM's music over their objection.  It's a liscensing thing.
Title: Re: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: hangook77 on February 05, 2020, 12:13:22 pm
Yeah is sounds similar to the same ridiculous reasons was to why we can't use Microsoft office products on our computers.  Something about we didn't buy the license and thus I don't know who but I guess Bill Gates would come after us and sue our school.  So there for we have to use HanWord products .....  I even got push back when I said I would install an Office suite on my computer that I'd paid for it (which I did)  Still there was still push back because the school solely have to deal with Hanproducts and Han products only.  Not realizing the foreign contingent of schools and companies can't open or use these products.  But I digress. 

Hanguel sucks and has no English options.  Why not just switch to office to synch with the rest of the world?
Title: Re: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: hangook77 on February 05, 2020, 12:20:46 pm
I think the chick showed some graphic video of eating flesh or cannibalism to kindergarten kids.  It's a bit over the top to arrest her.  But she should have been shit canned and given a warning.  You don't show crap like that to toddlers.  Have a f@ken clue!
Title: Re: Korean Parents Have A Canadian English Teacher Arrested For Showing A BBC Video
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on February 05, 2020, 02:39:00 pm
Yeah is sounds similar to the same ridiculous reasons was to why we can't use Microsoft office products on our computers.  Something about we didn't buy the license and thus I don't know who but I guess Bill Gates would come after us and sue our school.  So there for we have to use HanWord products .....  I even got push back when I said I would install an Office suite on my computer that I'd paid for it (which I did)  Still there was still push back because the school solely have to deal with Hanproducts and Han products only.  Not realizing the foreign contingent of schools and companies can't open or use these products.  But I digress.
Bill Gates wouldn't come after you, but Microsoft Korea might if they found out about large scale piracy by an institution.