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Title: Five facts about Korea
Post by: Cyanea on January 24, 2020, 01:23:57 am

Please impart your wisdom about Korea for any newbies considering teaching here, in five random facts.


Ok I'll start:

Korea can be great but only if you put a massive effort into it. You can have a positive experience but.. that is mostly on you.
Korean food is healthy and there are lots of tasty dishes.
ESL in Korea is basically not worth it anymore. The wages are stagnant, the cost of living is shooting up, you can earn more doing a starter job at home.
The Korean workplace is full of bullying. If you stick up for yourself, you will be non-renewed/ got rid of/ fired.
There are authentic and original experiences to be had here if you get out of the expat bubble and have a sense of curiosity or adventure.
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: L I on January 24, 2020, 01:37:56 am
Kpop music is excellent.
The air is polluted.
The Korean language is extremely difficult.
Teaching is sometimes satisfying, sometimes not.
University jobs aren't easy to get anymore. Market seems to be on the decline overall at all levels.
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: MayorHaggar on January 24, 2020, 03:54:07 am
If Korean food makes you lose weight it's only because it constantly gives you the runs and other gastro issues. It is NOT healthy, and it's often full of sugar. It's almost always made with rotten or semi-rotten low quality ingredients.
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: VanIslander on January 24, 2020, 05:58:59 am
1. The cities are congested but there are plenty of countryside farms and nature-hiking spots.
2. Foreign teachers are treated like dogs: some are loved like pets, some are feared despite their non-threatening appearance and some are eaten up.
3. People in the provinces love their nation, their capital city but not the other provinces.
4. It is the land of the morning cleaning crews of old people.
5. The youth are adopting English swear words like never before.
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: stoat on January 24, 2020, 07:49:59 am
Not many of these sound like 'facts' so far.
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: oglop on January 24, 2020, 10:31:26 am
Not many of these sound like 'facts' so far.
beat me to it

i agree with magorhaggor though, most korean food seems insanely sugary or salty
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 24, 2020, 02:30:28 pm
1. South Korea is a densely populated country, a good chunk of which is non-arable mountains, and has little in the way of natural resources. Due to its political situation, it is effectively an island. Consider of all this when making proclamations on prices and other matters related to economics and living conditions.
2. Up until 1988, South Korea was effectively a dictatorship. During that time it saw repeated protests and at one point, a full-on armed uprising in the city of Gwangju. Even after, protests were a regular occurrence. Many people who participated in  this are still working today. Consider this before ranting and raving how no one here does anything or tries to change anything. And before you dismiss some random middle-aged to elderly Korean as some sheep who cares nothing about issues like rights and freedom.
3. The same radar that we have back home of "Uh oh, this can get me in deep shit and potentially fired/sued" exists here too. It's just calibrated to different things. Much of Korea has little consequence for some actions, but there are others where the hammer can come down. Keep your eyes and ears open and play it smooth.
4. This is more of an opinion, but always have an ajosshi/ajumma who knows how to bulldoze people in your back pocket. The guy who can storm into a police station, yell at them and get you out. Be sure to identify this guy/lady. Treat them well. Bring them gifts. Put up with their 4 rounds of drinking and smoke breath and all that. And hold onto that card. Don't play it until you really need to.
5. It's red on the top half, blue on the bottom.
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: VanIslander on January 24, 2020, 04:04:13 pm
1. South Korea is a densely populated country, a good chunk of which is non-arable mountains.
This is silly talk.

I have spent over 15 years crisscrossing the country on trips, from Geoje to Gunsan, from Sokcho to Mokpo, from Yeosu to Chuncheon, from Jeonju to Namhae, from Pohang to Wando, and I have driven past COUNTLESS fields and greenery, trees and fields and valleys galore! Get off the express highways between major conjested cities and see the space and openness and greenery.

Koreans love to clump together. The perfect metaphor for the population geography is how Korean theater employees assign seats directly around other people, so even when the theater is 70% empty of people, you are surrounded be people! (Lol. Back home the assumption is you want your own space, and you are suggested seats away from others.)

EDIT: To be fair, if by "a good chunk" you meant nothing more than the trivially true  observation that there are a lot of mountains in most provinces and a chunk could be 30% or 40%. Then, yeah. But that doesn't reflect the huge disparity between urban and rural population density rates in South Korea.
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: MayorHaggar on January 24, 2020, 06:48:10 pm
The mountains in South Korea would be considered hills in many other countries. Koreans refuse to live on these hills because they think only poor people live on hills. Also Koreans don't plow roads in the winter so the hills become deathtraps where you wouldn't want to live or do farming.

An underrated fact: if you don't count joke-ass city states like Monaco and Macau and so on, South Korea must be one of the most consistently densely populated countries on Earth. Even rural towns are set up like a dense urban neighborhood. It's pretty hard to get away from people in South Korea.

Another fact: Koreans are some of the most unproductive workers in the developed world. So next time someone whines about useless lazy English teachers, you can rest easy knowing that you're accomplishing as much work as two Koreans would be capable of. I'm sure Gyopotino will stomp in here and whine a bunch and yet again remind us that he spends all day shitposting on Waygook instead of doing any kind of useful work.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgnA5zQX4AAOIkd.jpg)
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: VanIslander on January 24, 2020, 07:03:54 pm
...Even rural towns are set up like a dense urban neighborhood. It's pretty hard to get away from people in South Korea....
Have you ever honestly bought or rented a motor vehicle and tried????

It is not as hard as you may think (once you get out of metro Seoul, head southeast or southwest of Jeonju).

Most of my memories of this country are non-urban. I live in a small town. I was a boy scout so i love camping. I have my own vehicle. I find countless uncrowded beaches and green rural areas.

Gawd, I should write a book. (Er,.. i guess it should be a vlog these days but i fxxx at tech).
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: MayorHaggar on January 24, 2020, 07:14:57 pm
My first year in Korea was in a town of about 20,000 people, in a county of about 40,000. Tiny by Korean standards, yet the entire town was like an urban neighborhood with densely packed buildings and narrow alleyways. There were some older high-rise apartment buildings and they were building some new ones. Once you got to the edge of the town it was nonstop rice paddies for miles and miles though.

The only part of Korea that really feels empty to me is Gangwon, but even that has some massive cities. Korea just doesn't really have massive empty areas like say the US. It's the size of Indiana but has 7 times more people.
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: VanIslander on January 24, 2020, 08:38:45 pm
... Once you got to the edge of the town it was nonstop rice paddies for miles and miles though. ..
Agreed.

This country fits into my home province of B.C. Canada TEN TIMES but, like back home, population density is localized. If you visit Vancouver, Burnaby, Surrey, Richmond, and other metro areas you would think the country is pretty urban. It ain't. Just the people are localized. Not as densely as Koreans huddle, but more than a trip around the country would show.
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: z80 on January 24, 2020, 10:22:09 pm
If Korean food makes you lose weight it's only because it constantly gives you the runs and other gastro issues. It is NOT healthy, and it's often full of sugar. It's almost always made with rotten or semi-rotten low quality ingredients.

This is spot on. What the hell is it with men's asses exploding in the public/my work toilets? Do Koreans think their asses and poo exploding like a hand grenade is normal?
People have to understand that Korean food is made to avoid starvation rather than any thing else.
The whole rotten or semi-rotten low quality ingredients is why I found I liked most Korean food back home but here it's just terrible.
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: Cyanea on January 25, 2020, 01:01:07 am
This is spot on. What the hell is it with men's asses exploding in the public/my work toilets? Do Koreans think their asses and poo exploding like a hand grenade is normal?
People have to understand that Korean food is made to avoid starvation rather than any thing else.
The whole rotten or semi-rotten low quality ingredients is why I found I liked most Korean food back home but here it's just terrible.

Its probably all the fermented gimchi/ methane.

That and the ageing populace= flatulence.

What I will say for the korean diet is that the large amounts of garlic is very healthy.
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: MayorHaggar on January 25, 2020, 04:00:33 pm

The whole rotten or semi-rotten low quality ingredients is why I found I liked most Korean food back home but here it's just terrible.

Yep. Korean food in the West is pretty good because it's made with good steak/chicken/seafood and other good ingredients. In Korea the ingredients are whatever they didn't sell last month, and usually a massive pile of sugar thrown in to stretch out the taste as well.
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: KimDuHan on January 26, 2020, 03:14:35 am
Yep. Korean food in the West is pretty good because it's made with good steak/chicken/seafood and other good ingredients. In Korea the ingredients are whatever they didn't sell last month, and usually a massive pile of sugar thrown in to stretch out the taste as well.

The worst food I’ve ever seen served was in Ilsan, Korea. It was a salad that had literal flies in it.

They flew out when my coworker touched the salad. Inspecting the salad more we found the inside lettuce to be rotten.

Korean restaurant quality right there.
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 26, 2020, 05:33:09 am
Yep. Korean food in the West is pretty good because it's made with good steak/chicken/seafood and other good ingredients. In Korea the ingredients are whatever they didn't sell last month, and usually a massive pile of sugar thrown in to stretch out the taste as well.
Korean food in the U.S. sucks. Tastes pretty bad compared to the food here. U.S. chicken's have less flavor and are brown for massive breasts. U.S. beef doesn't work great with Korean food and Korean food doesn't work great with a lot of European dishes.

Dude, you might be more credible if you toned down the hyperbole on this.
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 26, 2020, 05:39:53 am
The mountains in South Korea would be considered hills in many other countries. Koreans refuse to live on these hills because they think only poor people live on hills. Also Koreans don't plow roads in the winter so the hills become deathtraps where you wouldn't want to live or do farming.
Well, that and the whole risk of mudslide thing. I mean in the Seoul area, everything has been civil engineered so the hills they live on here are fine, but in other areas, it would be really expensive to get it up to code there.

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An underrated fact: if you don't count joke-ass city states like Monaco and Macau and so on, South Korea must be one of the most consistently densely populated countries on Earth. Even rural towns are set up like a dense urban neighborhood. It's pretty hard to get away from people in South Korea.
Agreed

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Another fact: Koreans are some of the most unproductive workers in the developed world. So next time someone whines about useless lazy English teachers, you can rest easy knowing that you're accomplishing as much work as two Koreans would be capable of. I'm sure Gyopotino will stomp in here and whine a bunch and yet again remind us that he spends all day shitposting on Waygook instead of doing any kind of useful work.
That doesn't mean they're unproductive. A U.S. teacher isn't achieving double the output of a Korean teacher, nor is a U.S. factory worker. It is reflective of the purchasing power and value attached to the goods produced. For example, 1 Norwegian worker could work in oil production, and generated $200 worth of oil per hour. This is because Norway has access to petroleum/NG reserves. Meanwhile, lacking such reserves, a Korean would instead have to engage in say, textile labor, running a chicken shop, etc. In that case they might only generate $100 in an hour.

There are things like Koreans working 8 hours and then generating 2 hours of worthlessness because everyone is sitting at work, waiting for the boss to go home, but to use that chart to say Koreans are half as productive, top to bottom, is an incredible fail of economic understanding and statistical analysis.
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: MayorHaggar on January 26, 2020, 09:25:02 am
Except even factory workers are really unproductive even though they work reasonable hours and are paid well. It's not like they can get away with sleeping for hours at work or doing nothing all day like like Korean office workers would.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-autos-hyundai-labour/hyundai-union-stuck-in-a-marriage-of-inconvenience-idUSBRE9A802K20131109

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SEOUL (Reuters) - It takes twice as long on average - over 28 hours - for Hyundai Motor Co (005380.KS) to make a car in South Korea than in the United States, even though its domestic plants have far more workers for each production line.

Add in high wages, frequent industrial action and outdated facilities, and Hyundai’s hourly labor costs per worker in South Korea, at 24,778 won ($22.26), are 16 percent higher than at its U.S. factories, and triple what they are in China.

Its seven domestic plants have driven Hyundai to become the world’s fifth-largest auto manufacturer, but are now a legacy asset that need to be addressed to sustain profit growth. It may make more sense, economically, for the company to close a plant it built 45 years ago - one of five in Ulsan - that is now its oldest and costliest facility.
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: fka on January 26, 2020, 10:22:10 am
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That doesn't mean they're unproductive. A U.S. teacher isn't achieving double the output of a Korean teacher, nor is a U.S. factory worker. It is reflective of the purchasing power and value attached to the goods produced. For example, 1 Norwegian worker could work in oil production, and generated $200 worth of oil per hour. This is because Norway has access to petroleum/NG reserves. Meanwhile, lacking such reserves, a Korean would instead have to engage in say, textile labor, running a chicken shop, etc. In that case they might only generate $100 in an hour.

There are things like Koreans working 8 hours and then generating 2 hours of worthlessness because everyone is sitting at work, waiting for the boss to go home, but to use that chart to say Koreans are half as productive, top to bottom, is an incredible fail of economic understanding and statistical analysis.

https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/b2774f97-en/1/2/8/1/index.html?itemId=/content/publication/b2774f97-en&mimeType=text/html&_csp_=11d9839f3d9224cfd95c09c235f434d0&itemIGO=oecd&itemContentType=book (https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/b2774f97-en/1/2/8/1/index.html?itemId=/content/publication/b2774f97-en&mimeType=text/html&_csp_=11d9839f3d9224cfd95c09c235f434d0&itemIGO=oecd&itemContentType=book)

^ This is how those stats were compiled.

A summary:

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The indicators presented in this publication are drawn from the OECD Productivity Statistics (database), which provides a consistent set of annual estimates of labour, capital and multifactor productivity growth, unit labour costs and many other related indicators as a tool to analyse the drivers of economic growth in OECD member countries and emerging economies. The database includes the following indicators:

GDP per capita and labour productivity levels
Growth in labour productivity
Measures of labour input, such as total hours worked and total persons employed
Measures of capital input, as an aggregate and by type of capital good
Share of labour costs in the total cost of production
Multifactor productivity growth
Unit labour costs and labour compensation
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 26, 2020, 01:00:27 pm
Except even factory workers are really unproductive even though they work reasonable hours and are paid well. It's not like they can get away with sleeping for hours at work or doing nothing all day like like Korean office workers would.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-autos-hyundai-labour/hyundai-union-stuck-in-a-marriage-of-inconvenience-idUSBRE9A802K20131109
The article reflects that this is because of the age of the plant and also negotiations with the auto worker's union. Remember, that same "lack of productivity" transformed Hyundai from a car no one has heard of into an industry giant.

Do you really think Hyundai factory workers are sleeping on the job and doing nothing all day?
More workers and less productivity- two explanations
A)Koreans are lazy and unproductive
B) Automation

Hmm, I wonder which it is?

As for Norway vs. Korea
The indicators presented in this publication are drawn from the OECD Productivity Statistics (database), which provides a consistent set of annual estimates of labour, capital and multifactor productivity growth, unit labour costs and many other related indicators as a tool to analyse the drivers of economic growth in OECD member countries and emerging economies. The database includes the following indicators:

GDP per capita and labour productivity levels
Growth in labour productivity
Measures of labour input, such as total hours worked and total persons employed
Measures of capital input, as an aggregate and by type of capital good
Share of labour costs in the total cost of production
Multifactor productivity growth
Unit labour costs and labour compensation
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: MayorHaggar on January 27, 2020, 04:19:43 pm
It's not like they can get away with sleeping for hours at work or doing nothing all day like like Korean office workers would.

Do you really think Hyundai factory workers are sleeping on the job and doing nothing all day?

You're so predictable that I predicted your whiny bullshit excuse and answered it, and yet you still made that bullshit excuse.
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: MayorHaggar on January 27, 2020, 04:23:27 pm
Korean food in the U.S. sucks. Tastes pretty bad compared to the food here. U.S. chicken's have less flavor and are brown for massive breasts. U.S. beef doesn't work great with Korean food and Korean food doesn't work great with a lot of European dishes.

You're a gyopo so you probably think all Korean food is supposed to be drenched in gochujang and sugar.

I will say that Korean chicken has way more flavor than American chicken, but about half of the time the chicken sold in Korean grocery stores or at restaurants is rotten. I'll take flavorless chicken over a rotting carcass any day. And no you thinking rotten food is normal does not make this okay. After moving from Korea to New Zealand it took me months for my stomach and intestines to get over the daily distress caused by food in Korea.
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 28, 2020, 12:37:11 pm
You're a gyopo so you probably think all Korean food is supposed to be drenched in gochujang and sugar.
I'm adopted. There's a difference. Second, WTF does my ethnicity have to do with things. Third, why do you keep using ethnicity to invalidate someone's opinion?

Bashes Trump supporters for being bigots, uses someone's ethnicity as an argument against theme.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: Liechtenstein on January 28, 2020, 12:53:16 pm
This is silly talk.

I have spent over 15 years crisscrossing the country on trips, from Geoje to Gunsan, from Sokcho to Mokpo, from Yeosu to Chuncheon, from Jeonju to Namhae, from Pohang to Wando, and I have driven past COUNTLESS fields and greenery, trees and fields and valleys galore! Get off the express highways between major conjested cities and see the space and openness and greenery.

Koreans love to clump together. The perfect metaphor for the population geography is how Korean theater employees assign seats directly around other people, so even when the theater is 70% empty of people, you are surrounded be people! (Lol. Back home the assumption is you want your own space, and you are suggested seats away from others.)

EDIT: To be fair, if by "a good chunk" you meant nothing more than the trivially true  observation that there are a lot of mountains in most provinces and a chunk could be 30% or 40%. Then, yeah. But that doesn't reflect the huge disparity between urban and rural population density rates in South Korea.

It's really easy if you own a Korando. And much more fun too.
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: shanebarry1986 on January 28, 2020, 12:56:32 pm
Third, why do you keep using ethnicity to invalidate someone's opinion?

I think there's a word for that... what is it...
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: shanebarry1986 on January 28, 2020, 12:58:12 pm
It's really easy if you own a Korando. And much more fun too.

Small peepee
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: MayorHaggar on January 28, 2020, 01:05:29 pm
I'm adopted. There's a difference. Second, WTF does my ethnicity have to do with things. Third, why do you keep using ethnicity to invalidate someone's opinion?

Bashes Trump supporters for being bigots, uses someone's ethnicity as an argument against theme.  :rolleyes:

Explain why you think eating rotten meat is ok and normal. I've met so many gyopos, either adoptees or children of 1st generation Korean immigrants, who defend and normalize anything Korean, no matter how bad. Through this prism your nonsensical crusade makes a lot more sense. Meanwhile a lot of Koreans in Korea think that a lot of Korean things are bad and need to change. You're basically racist against your own people.
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: Liechtenstein on January 28, 2020, 01:19:57 pm
South Korea's population density is 10X the global average.

Nearly 70% of Korea is uninhabitable due to its mountainous terrain.

It is homogeneous with over 99% of its population being ethnic Korean.

It has the highest rate of stomach cancer in the world.

In the OECD Korean females have the highest suicide rates.
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: shanebarry1986 on January 28, 2020, 01:46:33 pm
You're basically racist against your own people.

Can you define "racist"?
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: Liechtenstein on January 28, 2020, 01:52:03 pm
Can you define "racist"?

Not anymore. The word has been so overused by PC types that it's basically synonymous with "You don't agree with me therefore you are a racist."
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: VanIslander on January 28, 2020, 02:27:32 pm
... it's basically synonymous with "You don't agree with me therefore you are a racist."
Wow. How many times have you been called it? If it is more than twice or three times, maybe reflect on your positions - or your language. Sometimes people try to make sociological observations and it comes across as prejudice and overgeneralizations, examples seeming like stereotypes.
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: stoat on January 28, 2020, 02:38:18 pm
Can you define "racist"?

There are two main kinds nowadays. 'systemic racism' when someone finds out that the percentages of a certain minority group in a high status organisation don't exactly match the percentage of that group in the population, and 'individual racism' when someone agrees with a policy you don't like, such as Brexit.  However whenever someone from a minority group is accused of being a racist the definition always changes to exclusively refering to the first kind, and therefore becomes not applicable.
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: Liechtenstein on January 28, 2020, 02:59:38 pm
Wow. How many times have you been called it? If it is more than twice or three times, maybe reflect on your positions - or your language. Sometimes people try to make sociological observations and it comes across as prejudice and overgeneralizations, examples seeming like stereotypes.


I've been called a racist only once in my life. It was by a white South African guy who moaned constantly about his desire for a wife who had to be white and Afrikaans. I haven't met many white S. Africans, but every single one I have met has been a complete moron, usually stupid, a creationist or hyper religious and at least moderately racist. Lots of ex-druggies too, predominantly heroin.

That's been my experience with that lot. The black and coloured S. Africans I have met have been, without exception, great people. 
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: shanebarry1986 on January 28, 2020, 03:34:28 pm
There are two main kinds nowadays. 'systemic racism' when someone finds out that the percentages of a certain minority group in a high status organisation don't exactly match the percentage of that group in the population, and 'individual racism' when someone agrees with a policy you don't like, such as Brexit.  However whenever someone from a minority group is accused of being a racist the definition always changes to exclusively refering to the first kind, and therefore becomes not applicable.

I was asking MAyorHaggar. Hardly matters. NO ONE who uses the term as a thought-terminating cliché has EVER been able to offer a coherent definition for this word. Because they don't know what they mean when they say "racist". They only know that it's a useful way to get out of an argument. They think that people will just beg forgiveness, grovel, as if wielding the magic word grants them some authority over others. Never do this. Just politely ask them "What does 'racist' mean?"
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: shanebarry1986 on January 28, 2020, 03:38:21 pm
All that said...... MayorHaggars obsession with race and ethnicity does kind of suggest that he is a racist. Can't say I agree with him, but I don't hate him for it. I just hope we can change his perspective through kindness and dialogue, so someday, in his own time, he can join the rest of us in 2020, where racism is no longer an acceptable position to hold.
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: JNM on January 28, 2020, 03:40:44 pm
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It is homogeneous with over 99% of its population being ethnic Korean.

...

Point of order.

Korea is only ethnically homogeneous because they have declared themselves so.

When I look at a group of Koreans, I see some Han Chinese, some Mongolians, some Japanese... it is their heritage.

Genetics don’t stop at the border!
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: NorthStar on January 29, 2020, 06:44:11 am
1.  Bus drivers and school owners cannot grasp the concept of moderation, when it comes to heating and A/C.  Their eyes glaze over when you tell them that there is no need to have the heat on full blast in a small, enclosed room/vehicle. 

2. Koreans look lost, wherever they are...the store, the street, etc.  They have this slow walk, no matter how many people are behind them, with this confused look on their face.

3.  It could be 55 degrees F in Seoul during the winter time, 20 degrees above normal....but folks will still put on those stupid, ugly long-coats ad act as if another polar vortex has blown through. 

4.  The land of stupid, ugly long-coats....clones.

5.  Korea is a land in which that the people are so spoiled, ungrateful and out of touch with reality, they will call and complain to the embassies of foreign nations if some trivial matter does not go their way. 
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: MayorHaggar on January 29, 2020, 08:50:30 am
All that said...... MayorHaggars obsession with race and ethnicity does kind of suggest that he is a racist. Can't say I agree with him, but I don't hate him for it. I just hope we can change his perspective through kindness and dialogue, so someday, in his own time, he can join the rest of us in 2020, where racism is no longer an acceptable position to hold.

Martin has repeatedly defended things that kill and harm Koreans, things that many if not most Koreans complain about every day. Dangerous construction, dangerous safety practices, unsafe food, bad driving, pollution etc. Martin actively tries to get Koreans killed. So who's racist against Koreans now?
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: oglop on January 29, 2020, 09:00:08 am
1. in public, nobody cares about anyone but themselves

this is still my biggest hate about living here. a bit of common courtesy makes everyone's lives a little easier...
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: stoat on January 29, 2020, 09:43:32 am
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So who's racist against Koreans now

You are. You're the one who's aways making comments on here like 'Koreans smell, they're dirty they eat rotten food etc. etc.'  Give it a rest.
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 29, 2020, 10:20:19 am
Martin has repeatedly defended things that kill and harm Koreans, things that many if not most Koreans complain about every day. Dangerous construction, dangerous safety practices, unsafe food, bad driving, pollution etc. Martin actively tries to get Koreans killed. So who's racist against Koreans now?
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

If you don't agree with MayorHaggar's views on Korea, you're guilty of attempted murder!

Explain why you think eating rotten meat is ok and normal. I've met so many gyopos, either adoptees or children of 1st generation Korean immigrants, who defend and normalize anything Korean, no matter how bad. Through this prism your nonsensical crusade makes a lot more sense. Meanwhile a lot of Koreans in Korea think that a lot of Korean things are bad and need to change. You're basically racist against your own people.
It's called having multiple perspectives and experiences. And it doesn't just apply to Koreans, it applies to other ethnic communities and things. If you started bashing Peruvians or Moroccans or whomever, I'd do the same thing.

Some of us don't instantly latch on to the most judgmental explanation possible and then stick with that position no matter what.
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: MayorHaggar on January 29, 2020, 04:00:33 pm
You are. You're the one who's aways making comments on here like 'Koreans smell, they're dirty they eat rotten food etc. etc.'  Give it a rest.

They do eat rotten food. All the Koreans I've met in New Zealand were pleasantly surprised to move to a country where each meal wasn't a game of intestinal Russian Roulette. Koreans don't like the low food quality thing either, but apparently pointing this out makes me a huge racist.

In terms of body hygiene Koreans are probably cleaner than Westerners, not sure where you're getting that from. Stuff like keeping schools clean and basic maintenance in Korea are a complete joke as anyone who's lived in Korea can tell you, again including many many Koreans.

Koreans do reek of garlic but so did I when I lived there and ate garlic all the time. After a couple days of eating garlic I'd find that I'd get a garlic shield and stop smelling it on other people. Winning!
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: oglop on January 29, 2020, 04:34:06 pm
tbf some people absolutely reek of garlic on the subway

although you often get the stench of BO in england on public transport so i dunno which is worse
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 29, 2020, 06:30:14 pm
Dude, for someone who constantly blasts Trump and his supporters as racist because of the way he says things, you sure seem oblivious to what comes out of your own mouth. You do realize that if you talked the way you do in a Biden/Sanders campaign office, you'd be booted out, right? I'm simply pointing out the standard you have held others to and observing that your kind of talk would NOT be accepted by your political brethren.

The reason people take issue is your tone and word choice. The people having a garlicky bouquet could be worded in ways ranging from affection to mirth to curiosity. For things Korean you habitually choose 'animosity'.

"What do you mean I'm a racist against blacks? DMart is the one defending their dangerous practices and and unhealthy food and clothes just because he's black himself. He's the real racist. It's because of people like him that black people are dying. Black people themselves are tired of eating their rotten food and living in their filthy neighborhoods." Clearly someone who has nothing but love for black people talking right there.
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: MayorHaggar on January 30, 2020, 08:59:30 am
Ok so all those times I got the runs from eating in Korea it was just me being racist. Me seeing the "Minho has diarrhea again" chapters in official English textbooks was just me being racist and not understanding the unique situation.

I see what's going on here, clearly only Koreans are allowed to complain about anything in Korea, because of han. if anyone else does it, it's because they're racist.
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: stoat on January 30, 2020, 09:14:49 am
Ok so all those times I got the runs from eating in Korea it was just me being racist. Me seeing the "Minho has diarrhea again" chapters in official English textbooks was just me being racist and not understanding the unique situation.

I see what's going on here, clearly only Koreans are allowed to complain about anything in Korea, because of han. if anyone else does it, it's because they're racist.

Mexicans are always complaining about Mexico, so why is it racist when Donald Trump does it?
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: Liechtenstein on January 30, 2020, 10:29:50 am
Why does every post, seemingly, go off the rails into personal attacks.

Where did the 5 facts about Korea go?

Here are 5 facts from my personal experiences:

1) Koreans do tend to smell of kim-chi

2) All of my co-workers treated me great

3) I lived in a beautiful place and my students were all very well behaved

4) I never met a parent in 6 years

5) I was so happy when I was leaving to come home that I cried - this despite my overall experience there being overwhelmingly positive
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 30, 2020, 10:57:49 am
I see what's going on here, clearly only Koreans are allowed to complain about anything in Korea, because of han. if anyone else does it, it's because they're racist.
No. You're not getting it. Plenty of other people complain about things here. Lots of people complain and I don't take issue because one can tell from the tone of their post that they aren't being prejudicial or filled with animosity to an entire country of people. They also don't do things like state their personal experience as fact.

"I like Korean food."
"Korean food doesn't agree with me. I also am not fond of garlic"
"Korean food is all rotten and a bunch of weeds and rotting meat eaten by smelly people. Also, you're ethnically Korean, your opinion is invalid."

Do you not see the difference? For one thing, you state an opinion as fact. Second, you choose the most aggressive way to frame things, and third you actually bring up someone's ethnicity to invalidate their opinion.

Do you know what one of the most beautiful things about modern western thought is? It's in the supremacy of the individual and the individual as the ultimate locus of responsibility. Comments with "Koreans this" and "Koreans that" repeatedly blame an entire society and culture for the actions of a single individual. While those are important factors, ultimately that bad driver who hit me is at fault, him the individual, not Korean society. He has a name and is a unique person who made their own bad choices. You blame the individual.

Why is it that the people who are always eager to blame society and culture and the group, never apply such standards to themselves?
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: leaponover on January 30, 2020, 03:44:54 pm
The mountains in South Korea would be considered hills in many other countries. Koreans refuse to live on these hills because they think only poor people live on hills. Also Koreans don't plow roads in the winter so the hills become deathtraps where you wouldn't want to live or do farming.

An underrated fact: if you don't count joke-ass city states like Monaco and Macau and so on, South Korea must be one of the most consistently densely populated countries on Earth. Even rural towns are set up like a dense urban neighborhood. It's pretty hard to get away from people in South Korea.

Another fact: Koreans are some of the most unproductive workers in the developed world. So next time someone whines about useless lazy English teachers, you can rest easy knowing that you're accomplishing as much work as two Koreans would be capable of. I'm sure Gyopotino will stomp in here and whine a bunch and yet again remind us that he spends all day shitposting on Waygook instead of doing any kind of useful work.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgnA5zQX4AAOIkd.jpg)

Odd that the conclusion you draw from the graph is that workers are unproductive.  Really quite strange how you think.
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: MayorHaggar on January 30, 2020, 04:35:24 pm
No. You're not getting it. Plenty of other people complain about things here. Lots of people complain and I don't take issue because one can tell from the tone of their post that they aren't being prejudicial or filled with animosity to an entire country of people. They also don't do things like state their personal experience as fact.

"I like Korean food."
"Korean food doesn't agree with me. I also am not fond of garlic"
"Korean food is all rotten and a bunch of weeds and rotting meat eaten by smelly people. Also, you're ethnically Korean, your opinion is invalid."

Do you not see the difference? For one thing, you state an opinion as fact. Second, you choose the most aggressive way to frame things, and third you actually bring up someone's ethnicity to invalidate their opinion.

Do you know what one of the most beautiful things about modern western thought is? It's in the supremacy of the individual and the individual as the ultimate locus of responsibility. Comments with "Koreans this" and "Koreans that" repeatedly blame an entire society and culture for the actions of a single individual. While those are important factors, ultimately that bad driver who hit me is at fault, him the individual, not Korean society. He has a name and is a unique person who made their own bad choices. You blame the individual.

Why is it that the people who are always eager to blame society and culture and the group, never apply such standards to themselves?

And you support Trump and his actual racist blanket condemnations of entire races. If you want to call people racist maybe don't be a massive hypocrite about it.

All you're doing is proving me right about han grudge, where Koreans can complain about something in Korea, but if a non-Korean does it then the myth of Korea being perfect is destroyed and poor innocent Korea loses face. If you want to keep calling my stomach and intestines racist for being incapable of digesting rotten food, go right ahead. You'll probably find your gastrointestinal tract is racist too, but unlike me you come up with excuses for it.
Title: Re: Five facts about Korea
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 31, 2020, 11:16:44 am
And you support Trump and his actual racist blanket condemnations of entire races.
Blanket condemnations of entire races? When has Trump done that? Cite please.

Anyways, this is about you declaring his supporters to be racists and then engaging in questionable behavior and wording yourself, things that if Trump said, you would cite as proof of his racism. Hold yourself to the same standard. All I've done is say it is inappropriate to dismiss someone's argument because of their ethnicity.

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All you're doing is proving me right about han grudge, where Koreans can complain about something in Korea, but if a non-Korean does it then the myth of Korea being perfect is destroyed and poor innocent Korea loses face. If you want to keep calling my stomach and intestines racist for being incapable of digesting rotten food, go right ahead. You'll probably find your gastrointestinal tract is racist too, but unlike me you come up with excuses for it.
There's a grudge alright. Have you considered you're the person with it?