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Title: .."sick day".
Post by: NorthStar on January 16, 2020, 06:52:41 am
Major Edit:

The original post was fudged up.  I accidentally deleted it, while editing it. 

Thus, a brief summary.

I've been sick all week....I tech 46 classes a week. 

I called sick into work today, expecting the shenanigans that come with doing so (based on what happened to a previous teacher that was this school). 

I have no shame in not going to work,so I can rest in bed, knowing while I won't be cured tomorrow, I will at least be able to get through the day.

No attacks were thrown at my current boss.

However, V.I and Doc have twisted the thread a bit.  However, to the Doc's credit, he did not see the original post before it was deleted. 

This is where why it looks likes like a deleted scene from Mad Max. 
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: Colburnnn on January 16, 2020, 07:35:53 am
It's written in your contract to have sick days?

I treat sick days like anything else in the contract. You want me to work 23 classes per week? OK. You want me to desk warm when everyone else is travelling the world? OK. You want me to come in when I'm dying? Nope, read the contract.

The MOE always asks us to go to work to get 'permission' lol ok, in the real world, an adult decides if they are capable/wouldn't cause further illness and gives themselves 'permission'.
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: 303lmc on January 16, 2020, 07:38:48 am
It's written in your contract to have sick days?

I treat sick days like anything else in the contract. You want me to work 23 classes per week? OK. You want me to desk warm when everyone else is travelling the world? OK. You want me to come in when I'm dying? Nope, read the contract.

The MOE always asks us to go to work to get 'permission' lol ok, in the real world, an adult decides if they are capable/wouldn't cause further illness and gives themselves 'permission'.
Sounds like you are EPIK and OP is not! for EPIK, yes read your contract. even for Hagwon, read your contract. this is why I would never work for a hagwon.
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: oglop on January 16, 2020, 07:39:02 am
in the past, if i didn't have sick days in my contract, i'd simply go to school with a blanket, turn on a movie and sleep for the entire class
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: confusedsafferinkorea on January 16, 2020, 07:41:37 am
46 classes a week !!!!  Man you need a new job.
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: oglop on January 16, 2020, 07:42:55 am
46 classes a week !!!!  Man you need a new job.
also yes what the fuk
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: confusedsafferinkorea on January 16, 2020, 07:45:19 am
46 classes a week !!!!  Man you need a new job.
also yes what the fuk

Hope they are paying you at least 5 million a month for that.
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: confusedsafferinkorea on January 16, 2020, 08:21:35 am
No...not being paid 5 million.  I was not "up-to-date" about the the number of classes nor the accurate working schedule, until I showed up.  I've posted about this before but...I was in a situation in which the wolves were at the door. 

Bet that as it may, while I am appreciative of the idea of showing up with a blanket, putting on a movie and falling asleep, that would be more destructive then doing what I am doing now.  First, I don't have my own classroom like I used to.  So, I would have to move from room to room, ten times over.  Second, there is already a silent discontent with me utilizing my computer to show the students curriculum related videos (we have NO tech in the classrooms..nadda).  .  For example, I have all of the 'Everybody Up" and "Oxford Phonics" online tools downloaded on my computer but I know the powers that be really don't like that...for whatever reason(s). 

So...that idea, again, while I do appreciate the though, would only compound matters. 


Then again...nothing may happen.  When I say "nothing"...I am referring to the silent treatment for God knows how long.

DGaF

I have appreciation for my boss,  overall.  I have no specific character attacks.  I needed the job in a time of, need.  As noted, the wolves were at the door.  And, while there were some unforeseen working conditions that appeared upon arrival or shortly after, I've rolled with it...the best way I could. 

But by God, I'm not going in today. 

And no...there is nothing in my contract regarding "sick days".  I am assuming I will not get paid...so be it.  We (most of us) work in an ungrateful industry for ungrateful people.  The best medicine is no stress, no students, rest, water, V-C and ....watching Stephan A's best moments on Youtube.

I understand why you took the job. Are you looking around for a new one?  That would be a good idea.
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: SuperDoodle23 on January 16, 2020, 08:28:56 am
Hagwons in Korea never cease to amaze me. But is up with the last teacher being " forced " to come into school? I'd love for someone to try that nonsense with me. Stick to your guns. These hagwon owners are bascially parasites on the entire industry. A lot of them have no clue about teaching and most of them aren't qualified enough to run a lemonade stand yet they are in charge of businesses providing " education " . The entire thing is a joke. Take care of yourself first. If they can't deal with it then it's on them.
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: lhelena on January 16, 2020, 08:34:01 am
Wait are you saying someone from your school went to immigration and took your ARC without your permission? That's very illegal, if so. For my husband to pick mine up for me I had to sign a form that they had given as a receipt. And if they're holding your ARC I'd be very wary.
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: VanIslander on January 16, 2020, 09:46:58 am
I have had 2 sick days in 17 years.

Go to work if you have the sniffles and the shakes. Being sick isn't in itself enough to shirk doing your job.

I was told about this back in 2002. It's a cultural thing.

A student tipped a desk over and fractured my big toe. An hour and a half later, x-ray in hand and bandage on toe, i was back in class teaching while sitting on a chair, leg elevated.

That's just how they roll hereabouts.
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: NorthStar on January 16, 2020, 10:08:30 am
I have had 2 sick days in 17 years.

Go to work if you have the sniffles and the shakes. Being sick isn't in itself enough to shirk doing your job.

I was told about this back in 2002. It's a cultural thing.

A student tipped a desk over and fractured my big toe. An hour and a half later, x-ray in hand and bandage on toe, i was back in class teaching while sitting on a chair, leg elevated.

That's just how they roll hereabouts.

Yeah..which is why everyone here is always sick...being infected from recycled germs, because folks are so scared to do the right thing and take a day off, so they CAN do their jobs to the best of their ability, the next day. 

Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: CO2 on January 16, 2020, 10:10:27 am
I have had 2 sick days in 17 years.

Go to work if you have the sniffles and the shakes. Being sick isn't in itself enough to shirk doing your job.

I was told about this back in 2002. It's a cultural thing.

A student tipped a desk over and fractured my big toe. An hour and a half later, x-ray in hand and bandage on toe, i was back in class teaching while sitting on a chair, leg elevated.

That's just how they roll hereabouts.

Yeah..which is why everyone here is always sick...being infected from recycled germs, because folks are so scared to do the right thing and take a day off, so they CAN do their jobs to the best of their ability, the next day. 


Yeah, the ACTUAL costs to business and education are much higher. Sick, tired people going through the motions, end on end, day after day.

Take a day off, come back feeling better and less contaminated. It's better for the bottom line over time.

BUT NO! NO REST, GOTTA PRETEND TO BE PRODUCTIVE. ASSES IN CHAIRS ETC ETC
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: NorthStar on January 16, 2020, 10:14:09 am
Hagwons in Korea never cease to amaze me. But is up with the last teacher being " forced " to come into school? I'd love for someone to try that nonsense with me. Stick to your guns. These hagwon owners are bascially parasites on the entire industry. A lot of them have no clue about teaching and most of them aren't qualified enough to run a lemonade stand yet they are in charge of businesses providing " education " . The entire thing is a joke. Take care of yourself first. If they can't deal with it then it's on them.

Van Islander would disagree with you....then again, he reminds me of some low-budget, ate-up cousin of Yoda, in which nobody wants to invite to the Jedi Council's annual employee appreciation party. 
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: SuperDoodle23 on January 16, 2020, 10:28:13 am
well in my opinion if you come to work with the flu or very sick and you know you have to be around children then it's practically child abuse. Looking dillegent is not as important to me as not spreading illnesses.  When Koreans stop spitting on the street every 5 feet during the cold and flu season then maybe I will listen to what they have to say as far as health and germs. Until then I don't want to hear it 
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: confusedsafferinkorea on January 16, 2020, 10:35:44 am
well in my opinion if you come to work with the flu or very sick and you know you have to be around children then it's practically child abuse. Looking dillegent is not as important to me as not spreading illnesses.  When Koreans stop spitting on the street every 5 feet during the cold and flu season then maybe I will listen to what they have to say as far as health and germs. Until then I don't want to hear it 

I wish this site had a like button.

I seriously disagree with VanIslander for all the reasons given.  Your health is important, to hell with them.
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: confusedsafferinkorea on January 16, 2020, 10:39:19 am
That's just how they roll hereabouts.

What a screwed up society!!!
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: thunderlips on January 16, 2020, 10:45:26 am
I have had 2 sick days in 17 years.

Go to work if you have the sniffles and the shakes. Being sick isn't in itself enough to shirk doing your job.

I was told about this back in 2002. It's a cultural thing.

A student tipped a desk over and fractured my big toe. An hour and a half later, x-ray in hand and bandage on toe, i was back in class teaching while sitting on a chair, leg elevated.

That's just how they roll hereabouts.

Or grow a backbone and stand up for yourself. It is also culturally acceptable to shit on people just because they are younger than you, do you also do that?
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 16, 2020, 10:47:24 am
well in my opinion if you come to work with the flu or very sick and you know you have to be around children then it's practically child abuse. Looking dillegent is not as important to me as not spreading illnesses.  When Koreans stop spitting on the street every 5 feet during the cold and flu season then maybe I will listen to what they have to say as far as health and germs. Until then I don't want to hear it
If you're a teach and you're sick, odds are you caught it from one of your students and whether you're there or not makes little difference in whether or not other children get infected. Also, disease incubates and you are contagious before the onset of symptoms and often for 24-48 hours after recovery.

Koreans ain't the best either, but a lot of what westerners believe about germs is kind of ridiculous too. "Spitting in the street OMG. dangerous!!!" While their 3 dogs all shit and piss in the same spot  :rolleyes: The belief in the magical disease prevention powers of sneezing into the palm of one's hand and then wiping it on your pant leg, etc. "I need to stay home for 10 days at the slightest sniffle lest I bring my disease into that den of cleanliness known as an elementary school classroom." Then you have the shirkers and malingerers who use the slightest discomfort as cause to call in sick and treat sick days as vacation days.
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 16, 2020, 10:48:39 am
well in my opinion if you come to work with the flu or very sick and you know you have to be around children then it's practically child abuse. Looking dillegent is not as important to me as not spreading illnesses.  When Koreans stop spitting on the street every 5 feet during the cold and flu season then maybe I will listen to what they have to say as far as health and germs. Until then I don't want to hear it 

I wish this site had a like button.

I seriously disagree with VanIslander for all the reasons given.  Your health is important, to hell with them.

I think he's right about the sniffles. About broken bones and things like that...eh...There's a difference between feeling blue and needing actual recovery to prevent further injury and lifelong decreased mobility.
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 16, 2020, 10:52:55 am
That's just how they roll hereabouts.

What a screwed up society!!!
That industriousness that leads to some questionable stuff like this is why South Korea was also able to transform itself from a wartorn country, the poorest on Earth, into a developed country with incredible rapidity and uplift its people despite virtually no natural resources. It's why the trains run on time here. It's why your packages are often delivered the next day. It's why you get your driver's license issued within 2 hours of completing the test. It's why taxis are cheap and you can get virtually anything delivered.

Some people here just don't grasp that these things are often linked and they lead to benefits and costs that often tend to balance each other out in comparison to other systems and often make sense given a place's particular situation.
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: NorthStar on January 16, 2020, 10:59:02 am
That's just how they roll hereabouts.

What a screwed up society!!!
That industriousness that leads to some questionable stuff like this is why South Korea was also able to transform itself from a wartorn country, the poorest on Earth, into a developed country with incredible rapidity and uplift its people despite virtually no natural resources. It's why the trains run on time here. It's why your packages are often delivered the next day. It's why you get your driver's license issued within 2 hours of completing the test. It's why taxis are cheap and you can get virtually anything delivered.

Some people here just don't grasp that these things are often linked and they lead to benefits and costs that often tend to balance each other out in comparison to other systems and often make sense given a place's particular situation.

Trains running, public works.. vs....some little shit-shack private hagwon.

OK, Doc....go on. 

Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: SuperDoodle23 on January 16, 2020, 10:59:49 am
It's probably also why the suicide rate is one of the highest in the world. Also the thousands of people that came here and died and the millions given in aid might also have a little to do with the way things turned out as well. It doesn't diminish the past but it's dishonest to frame things as if Koreans just picked themselves up by sheer will. it's a nice story but history would disagree.  If anything this relentless work culture is what is holding society back from being enjoyable to most people.
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: confusedsafferinkorea on January 16, 2020, 11:03:00 am
That's just how they roll hereabouts.

What a screwed up society!!!
That industriousness that leads to some questionable stuff like this is why South Korea was also able to transform itself from a wartorn country, the poorest on Earth, into a developed country with incredible rapidity and uplift its people despite virtually no natural resources. It's why the trains run on time here. It's why your packages are often delivered the next day. It's why you get your driver's license issued within 2 hours of completing the test. It's why taxis are cheap and you can get virtually anything delivered.

Some people here just don't grasp that these things are often linked and they lead to benefits and costs that often tend to balance each other out in comparison to other systems and often make sense given a place's particular situation.

You can be industrious without being inhumane, DM. Some treatment meted out in Korea is just plain inhumane. I remember a thread here a while back where someone was actually admitted to hospital, broken leg or something (can't remember the exact details, but it warranted a stay in hospital) and teachers pitched up at the hospital and demanded the person leave and come back to work.

This 'I am so busy' nonsense is just for appearances, most of the time they are procrastinating.

By the way, as I understand it, Korea achieved 'the miracle on the Han' with a lot of help from the US, so don't be too quick to blow their trumpet and make it sound like they did all off their own bat.

I guess you are going to get all bent out of shape now, but whatever........... .............
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 16, 2020, 11:08:50 am
It's probably also why the suicide rate is one of the highest in the world. Also the thousands of people that came here and died and the millions given in aid might also have a little to do with the way things turned out as well. It doesn't diminish the past but it's dishonest to frame things as if Koreans just picked themselves up by sheer will. it's a nice story but history would disagree. 
Yup, it has its cost in suicide rate, but also has an incredibly low public violent crime rate and drug OD rate. Yes, lots of people came here and helped. That happened in a lot of countries. Our of all the countries that have received aid, relative to where they began, Korea had tremendous success. I think history would give the overwhelming credit to Korea's success post-War to Koreans themselves.

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If anything this relentless work culture is what is holding society back from being enjoyable to most people.
Spoken like someone who thinks leisure is the most important thing in the world and has never known true scarcity and poverty. Given the lack of natural resources, they really can't afford to ever be laid back. Sure go be more laid back like some other people. And have the problems those laid back societies tend to have in terms of standards of living and instability. Of course to westerners who believe Asia and Asians exist simply to amuse them and make their lives easier, that might be preferable.
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 16, 2020, 11:14:28 am
You can be industrious without being inhumane, DM. Some treatment meted out in Korea is just plain inhumane. I remember a thread here a while back where someone was actually admitted to hospital, broken leg or something (can't remember the exact details, but it warranted a stay in hospital) and teachers pitched up at the hospital and demanded the person leave and come back to work.
Like I said- difference between broken bones and being "sick" or even sick.

However, it's been my experience that those who are told to get to work are those who have shown signs of goldbrickery. Those who people accept as having worked hard and delivered generally are given leave.

Have you ever managed employees before? Have you never dealt with employees who are chronically "sick" and seemingly always having minor injuries which require them to not come into work?

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By the way, as I understand it, Korea achieved 'the miracle on the Han' with a lot of help from the US
Independence with a lot of help from the US. The modernization and development? That was mostly them. US helped with security, which was massive, to be sure. But then again, the same could be said of Western Europe.
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: NorthStar on January 16, 2020, 11:25:19 am
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However, it's been my experience that those who are told to get to work are those who have shown signs of goldbrickery. Those who people accept as having worked hard and delivered generally are given leave

Who here, has been talking about the differences between having to be told to work vs knowing when it is time to work and doing so?

How are  youable to create magical crap?  Someone once called you out as being a liar....I am beginning to wonder how much truth there is in that because I have a hard time believing that you, would actually stand by the things you are writing, as of now. 

Can you help us out here? 
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: Colburnnn on January 16, 2020, 11:26:16 am
Not everyone feels the same way when they get sick. It doesn't bother some people, but others are wiped out for a few days. Unless you have your doctor qualification on hand, I'd suggest we can all decide for ourselves if we are sick or not. We don't need school or Mr.Demartino to sign off on it.
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 16, 2020, 11:35:59 am
Not everyone feels the same way when they get sick. It doesn't bother some people, but others are wiped out for a few days. Unless you have your doctor qualification on hand, I'd suggest we can all decide for ourselves if we are sick or not. We don't need school or Mr.Demartino to sign off on it.
There is some of that. There is also the fact that sometimes those that are "wiped out" are actually lacking motivation. Promise them sex or tons of money and suddenly they aren't so wiped out. But agreed there are those that you could dangle a million dollars across the room and they're so wiped out and in a fevered state that they wouldn't even care. Then again, if that's you, elementary school education might not be the right field for you without a battery of flu shots and other preventative measures.

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Who here, has been talking about the differences between having to be told to work vs knowing when it is time to work and doing so?
Huh? I'm just saying that when you're managing employees, some employees develop a reputation as lazy shirkers who employ constant excuses for missing work and their claims of illness lose credibility. Hence why some employers might demand they get their butts back to work and out of bed/the hospital.
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: NorthStar on January 16, 2020, 11:37:58 am
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Huh? I'm just saying that when you're managing employees, some employees develop a reputation as lazy shirkers who employ constant excuses for missing work and their claims of illness lose credibility. Hence why some employers might demand they get their butts back to work and out of bed/the hospital.

No, you are purposely infusing irrelevant topics, in order to give yourself something to talk about. 
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 16, 2020, 11:43:14 am
No, you are purposely infusing irrelevant topics, in order to give yourself something to talk about. 
No, I'm saying that one reason an employer MIGHT be strict on sick days and sick policy is because an employee has developed a reputation for sloth. And that's something to consider. We're only getting one side here.

I'm speaking on theoretical grounds. For all we know boss is a dick and the employee is John Henry. But then again the boss could be really nice and the employee could be coming up with constant excuses.

EDIT: I didn't know it was you. All I saw was "Rant Over" and what was obviously a deleted account of something.

I'm just speaking on the phenomenon in general. Without your story I can't comment on specifics.
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: NorthStar on January 16, 2020, 11:45:04 am
No, you are purposely infusing irrelevant topics, in order to give yourself something to talk about. 
No, I'm saying that one reason an employer MIGHT be strict on sick days and sick policy is because an employee has developed a reputation for sloth. And that's something to consider. We're only getting one side here.

I'm speaking on theoretical grounds. For all we know boss is a dick and the employee is John Henry. But then again the boss could be really nice and the employee could be coming up with constant excuses.

EDIT: I didn't know it was you. All I saw was "Rant Over" and what was obviously a deleted account of something.

I'm just speaking on the phenomenon in general. Without your story I can't comment on specifics.

No, Doc...you are infusing nonsense. 
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 16, 2020, 11:48:40 am
No, Doc...you are infusing nonsense. 
Dude, I'm talking about why, using my experience as a former manager, why bosses sometimes tell employees to get to work even if they are sick. Just because it doesn't 100% agree with your view doesn't make it nonsense. It is simply one explanation that may or may not apply in your case.
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: SuperDoodle23 on January 16, 2020, 11:49:56 am
no point in trying to reason with him. He is suoer conservative and will defend the exploitation of the workers and he thinks money and status is above health and well being. look at the way he downplays leisure time. As if you aren't contributing to profit you are useless. Conservative boomer mentality right there.
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: OnNut81 on January 16, 2020, 11:56:19 am
NorthStar, for all that agreeing and backing up of Hangook77 on that thread about standing up to recruiters and our power to change the wages, you certainly caved pretty quickly.  Yes, the wolves were at the door but did you need to take a job that puts us all back decades when you were all over people accepting 2.1 affecting job prospects?  Hangook77 won't be too quick to accept your next endorsement, I bet.  Take your sick day and let us know if there are any fireworks as a result.  46 classes a week?  They'll have trouble getting a live body to replace you.  Use that as leverage if you're thinking of re-signing. 


DeMartino:  Of course to westerners who believe Asia and Asians exist simply to amuse them and make their lives easier, that might be preferable.

And that, in a nutshell, is the mindset that has lead to 7000+ posts. 

Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 16, 2020, 12:04:56 pm
no point in trying to reason with him. He is suoer conservative and will defend the exploitation of the workers and he thinks money and status is above health and well being. look at the way he downplays leisure time. As if you aren't contributing to profit you are useless. Conservative boomer mentality right there.
You know who thinks money and status aren't important? Someone who has never had to worry about them. Someone who has never lived through a true depression. Someone who has never lived in a situation where your level of survival and prosperity literally depends on how much you are capable of working. That's not to say that's an ideal system, just before you go and trash that mentality, stop and think about the fact that this isn't how it's always been and it doesn't apply everywhere.

Have you ever been in charge of employees before in your life? You do realize that they exploit things just as much as the owner tries to. It's a constant back and forth struggle. The owner with their miserliness and chisling. The employees with the theft and laziness and scams.

Have you ever read the story of the Grasshopper and the Ant?
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: NorthStar on January 16, 2020, 12:08:43 pm
NorthStar, for all that agreeing and backing up of Hangook77 on that thread about standing up to recruiters and our power to change the wages, you certainly caved pretty quickly.  Yes, the wolves were at the door but did you need to take a job that puts us all back decades when you were all over people accepting 2.1 affecting job prospects?  Hangook77 won't be too quick to accept your next endorsement, I bet.  Take your sick day and let us know if there are any fireworks as a result.  46 classes a week?  They'll have trouble getting a live body to replace you.  Use that as leverage if you're thinking of re-signing. 


DeMartino:  Of course to westerners who believe Asia and Asians exist simply to amuse them and make their lives easier, that might be preferable.

And that, in a nutshell, is the mindset that has lead to 7000+ posts. 




It is all about vantage point.  I can roll with what you are saying....and you are justified in calling me out on it.  I do recall though, using the word "desperate" once or twice, when it comes to accepting a job that is....what it is.  My rants and support of Hanngook are geared for those who have a better vantage point, who had/have time to make a solid choice and are not pressed by other circumstances.   

But again, you are right to call me out on that.
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 16, 2020, 12:10:12 pm
And that, in a nutshell, is the mindset that has lead to 7000+ posts.
Ever notice that the people who so easily accept Korean bigotry and dehumanization as an explanation utterly refuse to accept that such a thing happens the other way around.

Koreans are petty little hobbits..there are experts at the cowards" game of passive aggressiveness. 

Can you imagine if Koreans posted something like this about foreigners? Or someone else here said that about any other ethnic/racial group?

But no, there's no subtly, unconscious prejudice out there amongst us. None at all.
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: confusedsafferinkorea on January 16, 2020, 12:10:41 pm
DeMartino:  Of course to westerners who believe Asia and Asians exist simply to amuse them and make their lives easier, that might be preferable.

You have the biggest chip on your shoulder I have ever encountered.  By the way, I have tons of management experience and I was always sympathetic to those who were sick. The ones that acted sick, got called into my office and we sorted the problem out, without having to tar everyone with the same brush.
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: NorthStar on January 16, 2020, 12:13:45 pm
And that, in a nutshell, is the mindset that has lead to 7000+ posts.
Ever notice that the people who so easily accept Korean bigotry and dehumanization as an explanation utterly refuse to accept that such a thing happens the other way around.

Koreans are petty little hobbits..there are experts at the cowards" game of passive aggressiveness. 

Can you imagine if Koreans posted something like this about foreigners? Or someone else here said that about any other ethnic/racial group?

But no, there's no subtly, unconscious prejudice out there amongst us. None at all.

Start another thread on that...we can discuss it there. 

Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: NorthStar on January 16, 2020, 12:17:38 pm
No, you are purposely infusing irrelevant topics, in order to give yourself something to talk about. 
No, I'm saying that one reason an employer MIGHT be strict on sick days and sick policy is because an employee has developed a reputation for sloth. And that's something to consider. We're only getting one side here.

I'm speaking on theoretical grounds. For all we know boss is a dick and the employee is John Henry. But then again the boss could be really nice and the employee could be coming up with constant excuses.

EDIT: I didn't know it was you. All I saw was "Rant Over" and what was obviously a deleted account of something.

I'm just speaking on the phenomenon in general. Without your story I can't comment on specifics.

OK, I see some method to you madness.  I accidentally fudged up my post, while trying to edit it.  Instead, it is gone.  Thus, I'll extend a knod of understanding of why you are seemingly going off the reservation. 
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: MayorHaggar on January 16, 2020, 02:25:38 pm

That industriousness that leads to some questionable stuff like this is why South Korea was also able to transform itself from a wartorn country, the poorest on Earth, into a developed country with incredible rapidity and uplift its people despite virtually no natural resources. It's why the trains run on time here. It's why your packages are often delivered the next day. It's why you get your driver's license issued within 2 hours of completing the test. It's why taxis are cheap and you can get virtually anything delivered.

Some people here just don't grasp that these things are often linked and they lead to benefits and costs that often tend to balance each other out in comparison to other systems and often make sense given a place's particular situation.

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Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: MayorHaggar on January 16, 2020, 02:26:24 pm

Have you ever read the story of the Grasshopper and the Ant?

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Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: stoat on January 16, 2020, 03:01:06 pm
Time to post this again  ;D

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cyq6fTYxztc
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: oglop on January 16, 2020, 03:11:58 pm
jesus christ that is the dumbest shit i have ever watched.
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: stoat on January 16, 2020, 03:22:17 pm
jesus christ that is the dumbest shit i have ever watched.

Your money would have paid for it, if you lived in the UK
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 16, 2020, 03:34:08 pm
DeMartino:  Of course to westerners who believe Asia and Asians exist simply to amuse them and make their lives easier, that might be preferable.

You have the biggest chip on your shoulder I have ever encountered.
Says the guy who hasn't lived in Korea in years yet still comes on here to post about how much Korea sucks.

I don't think most of us have a problem admitting that there's a section of expats that haven't adjusted well and can be disrespectful and even bigoted. Same as Koreans. Heck, I said there are Koreans who do the same thing? How is that a chip? I'm saying we're more similar than different and similarities abound.

Others seem to resist that because the idea that they're truly equal or similar is unacceptable to them. They NEED to put Koreans down in order to feel better about themselves.
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 16, 2020, 03:43:54 pm
Yes, Mayor Haggar it is not as efficient. However the gross sum of that work can be beneficial. Additionally, the lack of natural resources surely is a factor.

Also love the people who say money doesnt matter and working hard is meaningless, then complain that the rich should give them more money for retirement and complain they dont have enough goodies.

This isn't even uniquely Korean. Back in the day we had the old Protestant Work Ethic. You'll see it in West African immigrants pushing their kids. You'll see it in Mexican immigrants who work 18 hours a day.

Funny you have Jordan on there. Remember the Flu Game? Dude didn't call in sick. Dude played one of the great games of his career. There are those players who play through pain and practice even when they feel like crap. Then there sre a bunch who sit out the second they feel anything and then all of a sudden no team wants them and the money is gone.
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: NorthStar on January 16, 2020, 03:49:26 pm
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Also love the people who say money doesnt matter and working hard is meaningless, then complain that the rich should give them more money for retirement and complain they dont have enough goodies.

Who, here on this particular thread, said that? 

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This isn't even uniquely Korean. Back in the day we had the old Protestant Work Ethic. You'll see it in West African immigrants pushing their kids. You'll see it in Mexican immigrants who work 18 hours a day
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Nobody is talking about how actually working hard in the US opens the door for economical and employment mobility for immigrants in the U.S.   Do ESL teachers in Korea commonly get promoted to a supervisory role, at a hagwon, for coming to work, despite having the flu (whilst getting everyone else sick)?    Even better, is it common for a Korean boss to give his foreign teacher a nod of appreciation for suffering through 10 classes, whilst having the flu?  I've worked sick many, many times...not once has the boss taken a moment to say my efforts were appreciated.  Others may have experienced a different scenario...but not me. 

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Funny you have Jordan on there. Remember the Flu Game? Dude didn't call in sick. Dude played one of the great games of his career. There are those players who play through pain and practice even when they feel like crap. Then there sre a bunch who sit out the second they feel anything and then all of a sudden no team wants them and the money is gone.

Again, nobody is referring to an NBA superstar (only you) who was paid millions of dollars and won 6 titles...as his reward through playing through things like that.  Folks here are ESL teachers...there are no titles. 

Once again, you are going off the reservation Doc...comparing the benefits of playing through sickness as an NBA star vs ESL  teachers in Korea....get real man.
Title: Re: .."sick day".
Post by: stoat on January 16, 2020, 04:02:53 pm
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Also love the people who say money doesnt matter and working hard is meaningless, then complain that the rich should give them more money for retirement and complain they dont have enough goodies.

Who, here on this particular thread, said that?

He does this a lot. Someone says the former in one thread ad someone else says the latter in another thread and DM goes on to talk about all the people on here who think and say both things together.