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Title: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: SPQR on January 13, 2020, 02:50:37 pm


http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200112000144

Haha, I would love to see her lesson plan.

9:00am start class
9:20am show human flesh eating videos
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3:00pm get arrested
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 13, 2020, 03:34:31 pm
Metal.
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: LIC on January 13, 2020, 03:41:56 pm
Strange to be sure, but certainly no worse than the typical Korea fertilizer they consider food.
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 13, 2020, 04:01:22 pm
Strange to be sure, but certainly no worse than the typical Korea fertilizer they consider food.
Fertilizer? Really?

It's been my experience that people who say this are either obsessively fussy gluten-free types or dudes that have a stack of pizza and chicken boxes in their apartment. That and married dudes who are pissed they have to eat Korean food becsuse their wife wants them to lose weight.
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: confusedsafferinkorea on January 13, 2020, 05:15:19 pm
Korean food makes you lose weight???
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: JNM on January 13, 2020, 05:57:30 pm
Korean food makes you lose weight???
That wasnt my experience!

Arrival in Fall 2014: 100 kg
Peak summer 2018: 106 kg
Departure Fall 2018: 103 kg
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: SPQR on January 13, 2020, 06:44:02 pm
Korean food makes you lose weight???
That wasnt my experience!

Arrival in Fall 2014: 100 kg
Peak summer 2018: 106 kg
Departure Fall 2018: 103 kg

Wow, what's your BMI?
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: Colburnnn on January 13, 2020, 06:46:49 pm
I swear we have been through this before. Yes, Most Korean food is absolutely shite and should be spread on fields, not consumed.
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: thunderlips on January 13, 2020, 10:28:13 pm
Hannibal Lecture?
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: SPQR on January 13, 2020, 10:34:10 pm

Hannibal Lecture?


Haha, best joke I have seen here in ages!!!
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: Cohort 2019 on January 14, 2020, 02:11:48 am
I teach a lesson series to every new class on it, why would one need to get arrested for teaching about cannibalism?

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Prussian serial killer Karl Denke sold the parts of 40 victims as pickled pork at a village market. German madmen Fritz Haarmann and Karl Grossmann marketed their products as pork in the black market, with the latter even selling his meat from a hot dog stand.
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: KimDuHan on January 14, 2020, 04:08:07 am
Korean food makes you lose weight???
That wasnt my experience!

Arrival in Fall 2014: 100 kg
Peak summer 2018: 106 kg
Departure Fall 2018: 103 kg

I went from 98kg to 59kg in Korea. I almost ate nothing but healthy food when I was in Korea. Im 70kg now.  Anything under 70kg and I look like Im starving.
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: confusedsafferinkorea on January 14, 2020, 05:38:49 am
I went from 98kg to 59kg in Korea. I almost ate nothing but healthy food when I was in Korea. Im 70kg now.  Anything under 70kg and I look like Im starving.

You can lose weight in any country if you eat healthy food. I ate basically healthy food in Korea and still gained weight eating the so called 'healthy' Korean food, so I really doubt it causes weight loss.

Anyway, back to the topic, she was just plain dumb, nothing more, nothing less.
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: NorthStar on January 14, 2020, 06:57:53 am


http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200112000144

Haha, I would love to see her lesson plan.

9:00am start class
9:20am show human flesh eating videos
.
.
.
.
.
.
3:00pm get arrested

Just shoes,one does have to be careful in the classroom. 

It also shows how Korean "reporters" love getting any and all information that makes the expat teachers look bad. 
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: 303lmc on January 14, 2020, 07:43:48 am
Metal.
Metal? or Medal?
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: 303lmc on January 14, 2020, 08:01:17 am
there's "healthy" food in Korea?? lol
I don't consider eating meat 3 times a day health. and I have gained some weight myself, just not sure how much. I only go by how my clothes fit.
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 14, 2020, 09:04:25 am
I swear we have been through this before. Yes, Most Korean food is absolutely shite and should be spread on fields, not consumed.
Well that's like, your tasteless opinion, man.
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 14, 2020, 09:05:21 am
Metal.
Metal? or Medal?
\m/
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 14, 2020, 09:06:53 am


http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200112000144

Haha, I would love to see her lesson plan.

9:00am start class
9:20am show human flesh eating videos
.
.
.
.
.
.
3:00pm get arrested

Just shoes,one does have to be careful in the classroom. 

It also shows how Korean "reporters" love getting any and all information that makes the expat teachers look bad. 
Ehh pretty sure this kind of story would get press anywhere around the world, depending on how graphic it was.
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: stoat on January 14, 2020, 09:45:41 am
Yep, the press loves stories about teachers fu-king up. 'But think of the children' etc..

Here's one from the Uk recently.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7869769/Parents-outraged-teacher-nicknames-son-14-roadkill-car-crash-left-disabled.html
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: plan b on January 14, 2020, 10:02:54 am
Let's hope all those schools looking for a young female teacher take notice. This wouldn't have happened if they would have hired a 40s male experienced teacher.
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: stoat on January 14, 2020, 10:25:38 am
Yes and situations like Elementary school teachers wanting to teach about consent.
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: alexisalex on January 14, 2020, 10:37:30 am
I don't know if this is actually what she showed, but someone on Reddit posted this as the video in question.  It's really not that bad at all.  When I saw the headline I thought she'd shown them Cannibal Holocaust or something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHvg8AR81-8
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: CO2 on January 14, 2020, 10:41:02 am
Yes and situations like Elementary school teachers wanting to teach about consent.

For the curious. Perhaps thew worst idea in the history of waygook. (I'm not against sex ed or consent, before the dipshits show up. But to teach it to middle schoolers in Korea as the foreign teacher is utter madness)

https://www.waygook.org/index.php?topic=95753.20
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: LIC on January 14, 2020, 11:21:17 am
Strange to be sure, but certainly no worse than the typical Korea fertilizer they consider food.
Fertilizer? Really?

It's been my experience that people who say this are either obsessively fussy gluten-free types or dudes that have a stack of pizza and chicken boxes in their apartment. That and married dudes who are pissed they have to eat Korean food becsuse their wife wants them to lose weight.

It's been my experience that apologists are just plain sad and pathetic. They almost never live in the tropics.
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: theman3285 on January 14, 2020, 12:18:20 pm
Yes and situations like Elementary school teachers wanting to teach about consent.

For the curious. Perhaps thew worst idea in the history of waygook. (I'm not against sex ed or consent, before the dipshits show up. But to teach it to middle schoolers in Korea as the foreign teacher is utter madness)

https://www.waygook.org/index.php?topic=95753.20

Good god. What kind of liberal loon would even conceive of this notion, let alone consider executing it? Little Sujin goes home and tells mommy the resident waygookin taught her how to enter into a sexual relationship consenually. What the actual ef
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: theman3285 on January 14, 2020, 12:22:40 pm
I don't know if this is actually what she showed, but someone on Reddit posted this as the video in question.  It's really not that bad at all.  When I saw the headline I thought she'd shown them Cannibal Holocaust or something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHvg8AR81-8
It's an interesting video, but no way I'd show it to a bunch of kids. Chances of one (or all of them) snitching is way too high. Also, it was kind of graphic. I'm not squeamish, but I had to stop eating my 1000 won ramen during the biopsy part.
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 14, 2020, 12:56:06 pm
Strange to be sure, but certainly no worse than the typical Korea fertilizer they consider food.
Fertilizer? Really?

It's been my experience that people who say this are either obsessively fussy gluten-free types or dudes that have a stack of pizza and chicken boxes in their apartment. That and married dudes who are pissed they have to eat Korean food becsuse their wife wants them to lose weight.

It's been my experience that apologists are just plain sad and pathetic. They almost never live in the tropics.
Some of us would take the cool crisp air, lakes, rivers, and streams, prairies and hills of the north rather than mosquitoes, diptheria, malaria, cyclones, volcanoes, earthquakes, and an overabundance of tourists. That and the occasional coup as the locals get rid of El Presidente.

Korea is already pushing my boundaries as far as climate. At least it still snows sometimes.
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: NorthStar on January 14, 2020, 01:05:18 pm
Strange to be sure, but certainly no worse than the typical Korea fertilizer they consider food.
Fertilizer? Really?

It's been my experience that people who say this are either obsessively fussy gluten-free types or dudes that have a stack of pizza and chicken boxes in their apartment. That and married dudes who are pissed they have to eat Korean food becsuse their wife wants them to lose weight.

It's been my experience that apologists are just plain sad and pathetic. They almost never live in the tropics.
Some of us would take the cool crisp air, lakes, rivers, and streams, prairies and hills of the north rather than mosquitoes, diptheria, malaria, cyclones, volcanoes, earthquakes, and an overabundance of tourists. That and the occasional coup as the locals get rid of El Presidente.

Korea is already pushing my boundaries as far as climate. At least it still snows sometimes.

...aren't you in New Zealand?
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: Mr C on January 14, 2020, 02:18:29 pm
Yes and situations like Elementary school teachers wanting to teach about consent.

For the curious. Perhaps thew worst idea in the history of waygook. (I'm not against sex ed or consent, before the dipshits show up. But to teach it to middle schoolers in Korea as the foreign teacher is utter madness)

https://www.waygook.org/index.php?topic=95753.20

Yeah, that was something.  But what about the one who wanted suggestions for a lesson to get her students to name-call and insult each other with better English.  Can't think of a good way to search for the thread right off...
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: oglop on January 14, 2020, 02:31:59 pm
Yes and situations like Elementary school teachers wanting to teach about consent.
this is what i immediately thought of when i read this thread title, too
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: Chinguetti on January 14, 2020, 02:39:59 pm
But what about the one who wanted suggestions for a lesson to get her students to name-call and insult each other with better English.  Can't think of a good way to search for the thread right off...

This one?

https://www.waygook.org/index.php?topic=77140.0
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: leaponover on January 14, 2020, 04:34:35 pm


http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200112000144

Haha, I would love to see her lesson plan.

9:00am start class
9:20am show human flesh eating videos
.
.
.
.
.
.
3:00pm get arrested

Just shoes,one does have to be careful in the classroom. 

It also shows how Korean "reporters" love getting any and all information that makes the expat teachers look bad. 

Huh, they just reported the facts instead of Western Journalism where they would have said the "sadistic teacher tortured her students with gory videos of savages ripping flesh with their teeth.  She forced the students to open their eyes when they closed them or tried to look away.".  Not to mention they also stated the Hagwon and its management would also be investigated.  So much rubbish and anti-Korean on this forum and 90% of it is undeserved, like this fine example I'm quoting.
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: leaponover on January 14, 2020, 04:37:39 pm
Strange to be sure, but certainly no worse than the typical Korea fertilizer they consider food.


Fertilizer? Really?

It's been my experience that people who say this are either obsessively fussy gluten-free types or dudes that have a stack of pizza and chicken boxes in their apartment. That and married dudes who are pissed they have to eat Korean food becsuse their wife wants them to lose weight.

It's been my experience that apologists are just plain sad and pathetic. They almost never live in the tropics.
Some of us would take the cool crisp air, lakes, rivers, and streams, prairies and hills of the north rather than mosquitoes, diptheria, malaria, cyclones, volcanoes, earthquakes, and an overabundance of tourists. That and the occasional coup as the locals get rid of El Presidente.

Korea is already pushing my boundaries as far as climate. At least it still snows sometimes.

Demartino, you are totally confused.  LIC lives in paradise, that's why he's here every day checking what he is missing and whining insufferably.  He's as happy as a clam....on someone's plate about to get eaten.
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: leaponover on January 14, 2020, 04:44:50 pm
Yes and situations like Elementary school teachers wanting to teach about consent.

For the curious. Perhaps thew worst idea in the history of waygook. (I'm not against sex ed or consent, before the dipshits show up. But to teach it to middle schoolers in Korea as the foreign teacher is utter madness)

https://www.waygook.org/index.php?topic=95753.20


Still can't figure out if this was real or not, haha.  I mean, he/she even came back on and defended her idea because she knows everything there is to know about Korea because of his/her boyfriend, haha!
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: stoat on January 14, 2020, 07:01:07 pm
I don't know if this is actually what she showed, but someone on Reddit posted this as the video in question.  It's really not that bad at all.  When I saw the headline I thought she'd shown them Cannibal Holocaust or something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHvg8AR81-8
It's an interesting video, but no way I'd show it to a bunch of kids. Chances of one (or all of them) snitching is way too high. Also, it was kind of graphic. I'm not squeamish, but I had to stop eating my 1000 won ramen during the biopsy part.

It's illegal to eat your own flesh according to that video. That sounds a bit weird, what about our blood and skin, we've all eaten those? What about those women who eat their kids' placentas, is that illegal as well?
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: Lazio on January 14, 2020, 09:57:01 pm

It's illegal to eat your own flesh according to that video. That sounds a bit weird, what about our blood and skin, we've all eaten those? What about those women who eat their kids' placentas, is that illegal as well?

There was this story a few year ago about a guy eating his amputated leg with his friends:
https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/gykmn7/legal-ethical-cannibalism-human-meat-tacos-reddit-wtf
I don't know if it's true or not though. Some articles say that he had his leg amputated right after the accident. But on wikipedia: "After an accident 2 years earlier his foot would not heal and the doctors suggested that he would be better if he amputated it."
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: CO2 on January 14, 2020, 10:01:55 pm
Kenny Hotz, from Kenny Vs Spenny, became a cannibal for his spinoff show Triumph of the Will.

He downed a shot of blood from his production manager. His crew brought in their baby teeth and he mortar and pestle them and ate it. He got them to scrub their feet at a spa and ate that. And he had Matty Matheson come in and cook a fan's placenta 3 ways.

Blood, bone, skin, organ. That's a cannibal.
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: Cohort 2019 on January 15, 2020, 01:01:14 am
But nobody here is rethinking their pork-eating habits knowing now that we taste very much like pork?

I mean I have tried to avoid pork ever since.
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: stoat on January 15, 2020, 06:58:02 am
Plenty of people have actually eaten human flesh before and commented on what it tastes like. We all know it tastes like pork so the point of the programme was a bit lost on me. The only interesting bit for me was how they took the muscle out of his leg without doing serious damage. 
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: Mr C on January 15, 2020, 01:23:15 pm
But what about the one who wanted suggestions for a lesson to get her students to name-call and insult each other with better English.  Can't think of a good way to search for the thread right off...

This one?

https://www.waygook.org/index.php?topic=77140.0

That's the one!
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: Cyanea on January 25, 2020, 01:19:00 am
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Police have filed for arrest warrant for the teacher who faces suspicions of violating the Child Welfare Act.

The citys office of education said it would investigate the  said tutoring service over suspected negligence in management.


And what about all the horrific videos they show kids every halloween???
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: Piggydee on January 29, 2020, 12:40:49 pm
I would have loved to be a fly on the wall at that police station where they took her in. 

Police:Why did you show this video to children?

Teacher:  Because they kids asked if it's possible to eat people.

Police: But Why?

Teacher:  Because I thought it might answer their questions

Police: But Why? 

And that was it an hour or so of "But Why" because that's what we as foreigners have to deal with in this country when the answer we gave the first time around wasn't satisfying enough.  It's like if someone ask why enough times the answer will magically change. 

But back to the main topic.  I'm SURPRISED this hasn't gotten more of a heated discussion.  Seriously, I think most of us are in agreement that what this teacher showed to the students was wrong.  Was it GORY as some Korean "news" outlets make it out to be.  No!  Of course not.  But come on!  Not even North American/British children at that same age as the kids she showed this video to would understand that BBC clip.  The vocabulary used in that video would not even be something that a second grader in the US would grasp the concept to.  Who did she think she was teaching.  A room full of college freshmen!?!?   Seriously how dipsh*t can one be?  I know most of us aren't license teachers but a lot of us know we can't treat our classroom like damn TEDtalk, as this idiot clearly did.  You have to scale down the lesson and make in engaging , language level, and age appropriate.  If she showed this video to a group of  Middle School student then I don't see what the big deal is.  But to Korean aged 7 year olds (Real age 6 or 5)
This is what happens when you just hire based on appearances and based on age and not based on any experience or training.   That's why at least with EPIK they ask for TESOL certificate because there you get an idea as to how to formulate an appropriate lesson plan.   

And as far as arresting her.  WOW!!!  Talk about a big OVER REACTION to what was a very stupid but not deadly mistake.

If I was her, I'd pull a runner.  The media attention that this brought from social media was embarrassing enough. 



Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: Chinguetti on January 29, 2020, 01:22:14 pm
Yeah, sounds like a case of a teacher who has zero filter more than anything else.

Was showing the video in question inappropriate? Yes.

Was it worthy of criminal charges? No. It's a complete waste of taxpayer money and police time, is what it is. I understand parents being upset and all, but to arrest her on child abuse charges? I've seen and heard of so much worse that never got even a quarter of the attention that this has, but okay, this is the hill where they want to die on.

I agree that this woman probably shouldn't be teaching young kids, and that her lack of good judgment might stem from other mental or social issues that she may need some counseling for, but her arrest is also completely out of line and over the top. It was probably more for show than anything else.

I do wonder if she's been dismissed, though. The arrest could be used to deport her.
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 29, 2020, 02:13:31 pm
I would have loved to be a fly on the wall at that police station where they took her in. 

Police:Why did you show this video to children?

Teacher:  Because they kids asked if it's possible to eat people.

Police: But Why?

Teacher:  Because I thought it might answer their questions

Police: But Why? 

And that was it an hour or so of "But Why" because that's what we as foreigners have to deal with in this country when the answer we gave the first time around wasn't satisfying enough.  It's like if someone ask why enough times the answer will magically change. 
They'll only keep asking if you keep giving a different answer. The answer isn't as important so much as how you react to it and at what point you dig your heels in. That and you not slipping up and saying something stupid at some point that gets you in trouble.
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: Chinguetti on January 29, 2020, 02:41:18 pm
They'll only keep asking if you keep giving a different answer. The answer isn't as important so much as how you react to it and at what point you dig your heels in. That and you not slipping up and saying something stupid at some point that gets you in trouble.

That's actually not true, they do it to see if you'll remain consistent. So you can answer the same question the same way over and over again, but they'll still keep asking you the same question to see if you'll change your answer later. If they find inconsistencies, they'll probe deeper.

I had an old boss who was also a retired cop, and he never did get out of this habit. It was kind of a running joke in the office that his questions always came in packs of three because you were guaranteed to get asked the same question at least three times, just phrased a little differently each time. For him it was a matter of clarity and confirmation, but he fell back on old policing habits to get it done.

In general, this is a useful police tactic to help pick up on possible dodginess, but it can and has been misused to harass, manipulate or to confuse vulnerable people into falsely incriminating themselves, too.
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 29, 2020, 03:20:50 pm
That's actually not true, they do it to see if you'll remain consistent. So you can answer the same question the same way over and over again, but they'll still keep asking you the same question to see if you'll change your answer later. If they find inconsistencies, they'll probe deeper.

I had an old boss who was also a retired cop, and he never did get out of this habit. It was kind of a running joke in the office that his questions always came in packs of three because you were guaranteed to get asked the same question at least three times, just phrased a little differently each time. For him it was a matter of clarity and confirmation, but he fell back on old policing habits to get it done.

In general, this is a useful police tactic to help pick up on possible dodginess, but it can and has been misused to harass, manipulate or to confuse vulnerable people into falsely incriminating themselves, too.
That's what I meant by "if you keep giving a different answer."

Absolutely power-trippers can useit. At the same time it does work, especially on the dodgy.
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: JNM on January 29, 2020, 07:24:12 pm
They'll only keep asking if you keep giving a different answer. The answer isn't as important so much as how you react to it and at what point you dig your heels in. That and you not slipping up and saying something stupid at some point that gets you in trouble.

No.

Repeatedly asking why is a common root cause analysis technique.

Incident: She fell.
Why? She stubbed her toe.
Why? The sidewalk was uneven.
Why? Poor workmanship.
Why? Poor oversight of contractor.
Why? Nobody tasked with oversight.
Why? Not in our contracting process.

So, future injury can be prevented by contracting process changes which include accountability for oversight of workmanship.

Source: Im currently reviewing a root cause analysis procedure.
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: Mr C on January 29, 2020, 10:29:05 pm
No.

Repeatedly asking “why” is a common root cause analysis technique.

Incident: She fell.
Why? She stubbed her toe.
Why? The sidewalk was uneven.
Why? Poor workmanship.
Why? Poor oversight of contractor.
Why? Nobody tasked with oversight.
Why? Not in our contracting process.

So, future injury can be prevented by contracting process changes which include accountability for oversight of workmanship.

Source: I’m currently reviewing a root cause analysis procedure.
Wait, what?

DeMartino is wrong?  I can't bel--oh, yeah.  Nevermind.
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: bigfishlittlefish on January 30, 2020, 07:25:26 am
Police: But Why? 

And that was it an hour or so of "But Why" because that's what we as foreigners have to deal with in this country when the answer we gave the first time around wasn't satisfying enough.  It's like if someone ask why enough times the answer will magically change. 


I probably wouldn't suggest this with the police, but my stock answer now on the third time of not answering the question to their liking is "what answer do you want me to give?"
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: stoat on January 30, 2020, 08:11:24 am
How about 'I don't like Mondays'.
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 30, 2020, 10:38:28 am
No.

Repeatedly asking why is a common root cause analysis technique.

Incident: She fell.
Why? She stubbed her toe.
Why? The sidewalk was uneven.
Why? Poor workmanship.
Why? Poor oversight of contractor.
Why? Nobody tasked with oversight.
Why? Not in our contracting process.

So, future injury can be prevented by contracting process changes which include accountability for oversight of workmanship.

Source: Im currently reviewing a root cause analysis procedure.
That's only applicable if both parties are working together to analyze a problem. That's not the case here. In this case we have one party antagonistic towards the other party and looking to trip them up, either with a lie or to get their wheels spinning and for them to admit some kind of fault.

Not everything is an engineering or problem-solving situation.

Wait, what?

DeMartino is wrong?  I can't bel--oh, yeah.  Nevermind.
Actually, I'm right. Too bad you can't tell the difference between a situation where two people are working together and a situation where one person is trying to f you in the a. Once again Mr. C shows his utter lack of street smarts.
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: Mr C on January 30, 2020, 01:10:21 pm
That's only applicable if both parties are working together to analyze a problem. That's not the case here. In this case we have one party antagonistic towards the other party and looking to trip them up, either with a lie or to get their wheels spinning and for them to admit some kind of fault.

Not everything is an engineering or problem-solving situation.
Actually, I'm right. Too bad you can't tell the difference between a situation where two people are working together and a situation where one person is trying to f you in the a. Once again Mr. C shows his utter lack of street smarts.
Well, since according to you everyone lies all the time, especially to the police, it doesn't matter one whit, does it?

Or have you changed your mind about everyone lying all the time, espeically to the police, so you can get intangled in another online argument?  Could that be it?
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 30, 2020, 02:16:20 pm
Well, since according to you everyone lies all the time, especially to the police, it doesn't matter one whit, does it?
That's precisely why someone above mentioned that their old boss, a retired cop did it. It's because everyone lies to the police. That's what cops do to catch people in lies. That's why you don't say something different when asked the same question and you put the kibosh on that real quick and stonewall them. Just like cops, people lie to their boss all the time. Sometimes for no reason just because they think their boss is out to get them.

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Or have you changed your mind about everyone lying all the time, espeically to the police, so you can get intangled in another online argument?  Could that be it?
Sigh. You are so out of touch on this you couldn't even grasp the point. You thought you had one but didn't even realize that it only emphasized what I had to say, rather than contradicted it.

I know you seem to have this vendetta against me and are wound up over this point, because you've come back to it multiple times. Maybe you should consider, I don't know, letting it go, or how about this- accepting it as true. Yes, people lie all the time, especially to the police. There's nothing wrong with accepting certain truths regarding human behavior. Just because we don't want something to be true, doesn't mean it isn't.
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: Mr C on January 30, 2020, 02:47:43 pm
Yes, people lie all the time, especially to the police.
Prove it. 

Because I think you're lying.
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: tylerthegloob on January 30, 2020, 02:53:06 pm
Prove it. 

Because I think you're lying.
how bored are you guys right now?
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: #basedcowboyshirt on January 30, 2020, 02:54:12 pm
how bored are you guys right now?

They're probably not bored at all because they're focusing on their pointless argument.
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: JNM on January 31, 2020, 04:40:45 am
That's only applicable if both parties are working together to analyze a problem. That's not the case here. In this case we have one party antagonistic towards the other party and looking to trip them up, either with a lie or to get their wheels spinning and for them to admit some kind of fault.

Not everything is an engineering or problem-solving situation.
Actually, I'm right. Too bad you can't tell the difference between a situation where two people are working together and a situation where one person is trying to f you in the a. Once again Mr. C shows his utter lack of street smarts.

When somebody is suspected of telling lies, you dont ask why repeatedly. You ask the substantial questions and look for changes in answers.

Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: Ronnie Omelettes on January 31, 2020, 07:31:38 am
Maybe you should consider, I don't know, letting it go

Wait, did he just write that?

I would appear he did.

Hahahahahahaahah!

A hole has been ripped in the time/space continuum. 
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 31, 2020, 10:55:49 am
Prove it. 

Because I think you're lying.
Well, first we have Chinguetti's anecdote of her ex-cop boss repeatedly asking people the same question over and over to catch them in a lie, indicative of someone who has had to constantly deal with bullshitters.

The rule actually comes from David Simon's Edgar Award-winning nonfiction book Homicide: A Year on the Killing Streets.
It's Rule #1 of the 10 rules.
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Everyone lies. Murderers lie because they have to; witnesses and other participants lie because they think they have to; everyone else lies for the sheer joy of it, and to uphold a general principle that under no circumstances do you provide accurate information to a cop.

The dude won a major literary award for non-fiction, got this rule from police officers who have spent their entire career investigating crime, and was responsible for two of the most critically acclaimed TV shows of all time- Homicide: Life on the Street and The Wire.

On the other hand we have you, who doesn't realize that lying to the police does not infer that one is guilty of the crime (our original point of contention) and who doesn't realize why a product that is a 10/10 to 20% of the population and a 1/10 to the rest (e.g. Grape Nuts cereal), would actually sell better in the open market than a product that is a 7/10 to 100% of the population (e.g. Kroger brand generic puffed rice cereal). They both are indicative of the same kind of limited thinking.
Title: Re: Kindi GOREFEST gets Canadian teacher arrested
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 31, 2020, 11:02:49 am
When somebody is suspected of telling lies, you dont ask why repeatedly. You ask the substantial questions and look for changes in answers.
It's not just telling lies, it also works for incompetency or to place blame. But yes, it can work for lies. It works because the party being interrogated understands, either consciously or subconsciously, that you are interrogating them AND they did something wrong. Changing explanations is a huge tell that someone is hiding something or guilty. It's not 100% but it's definitely cause to keep twisting. The interrogator is looking for changes in your story and is also looking not just at what you say, but how you say it. Are you defensive? Are you resolute? Are you unsure in a "vague memory" way or are you unsure in a "deceptive" way? Does it look like you're covering for someone?

A lot of times the person will just relent and break down on their own and admit to what they did, simply through the interrogator's force of will and power imbalance. People will talk themselves into admitting what they did or taking the blame through that force of will and their own need to alleviate themselves of the burden and because deep down, they know they did wrong.

Wait, did he just write that?

I would appear he did.

Hahahahahahaahah!

A hole has been ripped in the time/space continuum. 
Touche  :laugh: