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Title: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: Cyanea on January 10, 2020, 02:37:07 am
Probably hate is too strong a word. But,... what do you dislike?


 Just wondering.



Personally I hate the way the UK treats its own citizens (like garbage) while throwing freebies at immigrants. For example: you may be a British Citizen, but if you live outside of the UK for more than a few years then you have to pay international fees to be able to study again- that is to say double the regular price. Yes: a British citizen is treated like a foreigner if he dares to live abroad for a while. However, any immigrant who gets EU national status (ie millions of recent North African economic migrants) gets money thrown at them and favoured as if they were born and bred there. Additionally, they make it hard for UK nationals who marry foreigners to bring their wives or husbands home to live in the UK, with all kinds of regulations.

I dislike UK weather. I also don't like the general bossiness, the imploded imperialism, the know-it-all attitude, the obsession with football, the obsession with alcohol, the nanny state, the endless rules and regulations, the fact that everything is a well trod path, the career treadmill (get off for longer than a couple of years and you're gone), the lifestyle (TV + pubs is not really living). british 'cuisine" tastes ok but it is not really healthy and there is not that much variety.

etc.



Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: VanIslander on January 10, 2020, 03:36:23 am
Vandalism, gangs, homelessness, ticket-happy cops, heavy metal music, car racing on public streets, high taxes, the difficulty tuning out advertising, infrequent buses, expensive taxis and car repair, the long Christmasy season, snow piled up blocking walkways by snowplow trucks, pushy salesmen, the smell of marijuana on people, dog poo in parks, spiders galore, bad service at government offices, and the inconvenience of having to buy uncut, unwashed leafy veggies.
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: confusedsafferinkorea on January 10, 2020, 05:23:23 am
Corruption, high crime rate, a government that has ruined what used to be a world class country and dysfunctional state departments. If you are outside SA and want to renew your passport it can take up to a year to get your new one if you are lucky, to mention just one example.

I could go on but what the heck it's Friday and it is nearly vacation time.
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: MayorHaggar on January 10, 2020, 05:28:07 am
Restaurants in the US don't have the Korean genius button on the tables that let you summon the waitstaff for another beer or more kimchi. Instead the waitstaff come by and interrupt you every 5 minutes to make sure everything is ok and can they get you something. Heathens!
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: oglop on January 10, 2020, 05:31:07 am
the uk

- shit + outrageously expensive public transportation
- the weather
- shit wages
- how hard it is to bring a non-EU spouse back to the UK
- jeremy clarkson
- chavs
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: stoat on January 10, 2020, 06:03:35 am
Just got back from a long trip around the UK, which was generally great, so more positives than negatives

Positives

Trains not that expensive if you travel off peak and book online, plus it was nice to be in a few that were half empty for a change after Korea.
Having a pint in Weatherspoons for less than two quid.
Greggs, (obv)
supermarkets (obv)
Sharing quips/banter with people in the service industry, it does brighten up your day.
Every town or city having something different or interesting historically to see.

negatives

Hotels in London that resemble doss houses but charge up to a hundred quid. Depressing as hell and I'm determined to pay up next time or not stay there.   


Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: thunderlips on January 10, 2020, 06:19:11 am
US
-unaffordable medical care
-willful ignorance based on political beliefs
-current administration
-consumerism
-drugs
-violence
-loose interpretation of the second amendment
- oligarchs
- citizens united
- hate disguised as national interests
- fossil fuel subsidies
- Starbucks
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: Ronnie Omelettes on January 10, 2020, 06:55:18 am
No way!  Another negative whiny thread

- the weather

Living in Korea has given me perspective on this.  When my dad was over for Christmas, he was here for one week and of the seven days, only one day had air quality below 100 by AQICN, the other six days were 120+.  It's depressing and even my dad was surprised by it.  So now when my family complain it's raining in England, I would take that over air that may kill me.

Yes: a British citizen is treated like a foreigner if he dares to live abroad for a while. However, any immigrant who gets EU national status (ie millions of recent North African economic migrants) gets money thrown at them and favoured as if they were born and bred there.

Always someone else's fault and would appear that most who voted for johnson would show the dim-witted, short-sighted nature of a large sawth of the British general public.  Don't blame the immigrants.  Why would they be trying to make a better life for themselves as opposed to escaping terrible regimes, war or awful living conditions in their home countries?  Try stopping comparing yourself to others and what they have and do some work.
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: stoat on January 10, 2020, 07:16:47 am
Not agreeing or disagreeing with him but he's quite clearly not blaming any immigrants, he's having a go at the government policies.  It looks like you're pulling the old leftist trick of manipulating the argument to try and make someone come across as a racist.
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: Ronnie Omelettes on January 10, 2020, 07:33:12 am
Not agreeing or disagreeing with him but he's quite clearly not blaming any immigrants, he's having a go at the government policies.

Fair enough on your part Stoat.  But using words and phrases like 'freebies' or 'any immigrant who gets EU national status gets money thrown at them' and 'born and bred' smacks of a daily mail reader and someone who blames the most convenient thing.  As immigrants ourselves, we know this kind of rhetoric is wrong.  How have others on this site felt by Koreans using language like this about us?  Doesn't help.  Much easier to go after the immigrants than the government. 

Just got back from a long trip around the UK, which was generally great, so more positives than negatives

Nice to hear you had a good time.  I'm off to England on Thursday for a couple of weeks.  Waitrose, but not Greggs!  :laugh:
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: SPQR on January 10, 2020, 07:39:29 am

(ie millions of recent North African economic migrants)


Dude, why don't you just use the "N" word?  And, did you get these
facts from books?  Did you burn them after?
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: stoat on January 10, 2020, 07:41:56 am
Quote
Fair enough on your part Stoat.  But using words and phrases like 'freebies' or 'any immigrant who gets EU national status gets money thrown at them' and 'born and bred' smacks of a daily mail reader and someone who blames the most convenient thing.  As immigrants ourselves, we know this kind of rhetoric is wrong.  How have others on this site felt by Koreans using language like this about us?  Doesn't help.  Much easier to go after the immigrants than the government.

Fair point about the language I guess.

And sure enough we see similar kind of language coming from the other side.

Quote
Dude, why don't you just use the "N" word?  And, did you get these
facts from books?  Did you burn them after?

Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: tylerthegloob on January 10, 2020, 07:50:29 am
whenever i visit home i find there's this air of aggression that almost everyone participates in. in 2 and a half years in Korea, i've run into a handful of "aggressive" people (mostly old people). in the US it seems to happen pretty regularly (mostly younger people). i used to be kind of acclimated to it, but korea has definitely made me soft. for example, my subway vibe has softened from "you can **** right off, my dude" to "oh dear, i really hope that drunk person doesn't start bothering me."

maybe it's a northeast US thing or a city thing or just a western culture thing,i have no idea... what i'm trying to say is i feel like i always need to have my guard up in the US in case i run into some bullshit situation and i don't like that
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: 303lmc on January 10, 2020, 07:55:49 am
idk, i can't remember, but am visiting for 3 weeks in one week. I'll come back and comment.
But the MAIN and obvious stuff I remember would be
overpriced, forced to buy, for profit, shitty healthcare and
terrible public transportation
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: tylerthegloob on January 10, 2020, 08:00:21 am
Vandalism, gangs, homelessness, ticket-happy cops, heavy metal music, car racing on public streets, high taxes, the difficulty tuning out advertising, infrequent buses, expensive taxis and car repair, the long Christmasy season, snow piled up blocking walkways by snowplow trucks, pushy salesmen, the smell of marijuana on people, dog poo in parks, spiders galore, bad service at government offices, and the inconvenience of having to buy uncut, unwashed leafy veggies.

is your home country the 1980s?
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: shanebarry1986 on January 10, 2020, 08:01:32 am
Ireland. I hate the politics. Full of cognitive dissonance. Too many nationalist idiots. They defend Irish nationalism, but if Israel or the USA defend and protect their borders? FASCISTS! If the UK declare sovereignty from the EU? RACISTS? Only politically and historically ignorant Irish idiots are allowed to be nationalists. I hate nationalism, but the hypocrisy is the worst part of it.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUDyoXrSO48 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUDyoXrSO48)

I'm a classical liberal, leaning towards libertarianism, and there is exactly zero representation of my political beliefs in any political party. Every party is either center-left, or nationalist socialists (which makes no effing sense).

I'm happier here, blissfully ignorant of the details of Korean politics. I can't even vote, so why bother with it?

Also I don't like sports and find Irish women too bigoted to get along with.
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: Datasapien on January 10, 2020, 08:34:51 am
what i'm trying to say is i feel like i always need to have my guard up in the US in case i run into some bullshit situation and i don't like that

Yeah one of the shitty things about the UK too. If you're out past 10PM on the weekend, got to be careful you don't come across some bored drunk pr*cks out looking for a fight / being lary. Whereas in Korea, never had a single incident in 7+ years.

If I had to make a list:

Positives:
+ Clean air (becoming a huge one for me)
+ Close to family (if not geographically, at least in the same time zone)
+ More beautiful countryside (or at least more variety - Lake District, Peak District, Dartmoor, Exmoor, New Forest, the Downs, rugged coastlines...)
+ British food (meat pies and good ale)
+ General convenience of being a citizen / English speaker (banking / investing / hospital visits / everything just simpler due to language)
+ Live music / fesivals (although I'm probs too old for this now anyway  :laugh:)
+ British comedy / banter (being able to interact more with people on a daily basis must be nice  :cry:)
+ British summer (long sunny days, not too humid, not too many mosquitos ...)
+ No North Korea / geopolitics to worry about

Negatives:
- Expensive public transport* (not too bad if you book in advance, but otherwise 200GBP for a return to Leeds from London?  :laugh:)
- Expensive housing (London is especially mental, don't know how anyone can live there if they're not a Saudi royal)
- Crime (been absolutely blessed living in Korea)
- Chavs / general anti-social behaviour (don't bother walking past a city center train station at night)
- British food (fish and chips)
- British media (might be better now that Brexit is almost finally bloody done with)
- Obsession with football (FOOTBALL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MusyO7J2inM))
- Royal family (couldn't care less)
- Weather* (put an asterisk as tbh I quite like rainy weather, but it does give us something to complain about!)
- Sports (every world cup, in any sport, England are going to win, and if they don't it's because of some lame excuse)

Will add more if I think of some extra ideas, but this'll do for now  ;D
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: stoat on January 10, 2020, 08:42:35 am
Ireland. I hate the politics. Full of cognitive dissonance. Too many nationalist idiots. They defend Irish nationalism, but if Israel or the USA defend and protect their borders? FASCISTS! If the UK declare sovereignty from the EU? RACISTS? Only politically and historically ignorant Irish idiots are allowed to be nationalists. I hate nationalism, but the hypocrisy is the worst part of it.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUDyoXrSO48 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUDyoXrSO48)

I'm a classical liberal, leaning towards libertarianism, and there is exactly zero representation of my political beliefs in any political party. Every party is either center-left, or nationalist socialists (which makes no effing sense).

I'm happier here, blissfully ignorant of the details of Korean politics. I can't even vote, so why bother with it?

Also I don't like sports and find Irish women too bigoted to get along with.

I was in Ireland over the holidays too and my main gripe was Pay and Display car parks.  Every deserted beach front, walking trail, ruined castle etc... there was the old pay and display sign.  It's the west coast of Ireland (pop 4.8 mil) in Winter, you don't have to deter people to park their cars. Of course we ignored the signs at every opportunity but it's the principle.

Top tip for visiting the cliffs of Moher co Clare (Ireland's second largest tourist attraction after the Guinness museum) The cliffs are free (big deal) but the car park costs 8 euro per person in the car, so simply dump all your passengers down the road before you park up and meet them at the final destination! Worked a treat.
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: zola on January 10, 2020, 08:52:13 am
New Zealand

Random property crime
Abysmal public transport
Ridiculous rental/property prices
As others have said, a pervasive air of aggression especially anytime alcohol is involved
Inefficient/slow/overly bureaucratic and pedantic government departments. I can go into the local police station here in Korea and walk out with my official criminal check within 20 minutes. In English. Why does that take 6 weeks back home in country with a tenth of the population?
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: fka on January 10, 2020, 08:57:33 am
Vandalism, gangs, homelessness, ticket-happy cops, heavy metal music, car racing on public streets, high taxes, the difficulty tuning out advertising, infrequent buses, expensive taxis and car repair, the long Christmasy season, snow piled up blocking walkways by snowplow trucks, pushy salesmen, the smell of marijuana on people, dog poo in parks, spiders galore, bad service at government offices, and the inconvenience of having to buy uncut, unwashed leafy veggies.

is your home country the 1980s?

Ha ha, good one.

I have dual US and Italian citizenship and I can't add much to the US side that hasn't already been said. Basically, every time I'm home I have a general sense of being ripped off at every turn - there's huge regional disparity in prices for everything and people have normalized absurdly high medical bills, utility costs and insurance fees, etc. Last time I lived there I couldn't get monthly broadband service for less than $45 a month, and a basic cell phone plan was like $60. I did my best to live a minimal lifestyle and still felt like companies were constantly reaching into my bank account. The legalized corruption that euphemistically takes the form of lobbying and campaign finance is another thing that Americans have normalized, very much against their own collective interest. Also, car dependency... I haven't had a car in years and can't imagine ever living somewhere that would require one. No thank you.

Regarding Italy, I could go on about several fairly obvious things (painfully slow bureaucracy, sloppy public services, organized crime, etc.) but a lot of it comes down to a national attitude of "furbo". This has no direct translation in English but actually has parallels with certain Korean behaviors. "Furbo" is an adjective used, usually with enthusiasm, to describe strategic rule-breaking, and often serves as a justification for pure asshole behavior. Someone who cuts in line, lies on their tax form, cheats in football, blasts through a red light at 80mph or pays a local functionary to look the other way is seen as a cheeky renegade who bucked the system and stuck it to the man. But if 95% of the population views themselves as lovable rogues, giving the finger to all the stiffs who play by the rules, this has a serious quality of life impact on the whole country.
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: Colburnnn on January 10, 2020, 09:14:39 am
Ronnie, are you British?

Nothing cyanide said was untrue. Maybe the language they used may be unpalatable to you but it is essentially the truth. There are thousands of people struggling to get by, be it zero-hour contracts, food banks etc. While money is thrown at immigrants left, right and center. You can spend thousands on visas, paperwork, documentation. Or jump in a boat and show up on a beach and get it for free.

I don't think anyone has a problem with someone wanting a better life for themselves, isn't that we all want? But get in line, wait your turn and pay your dues to the country. Can you imagine us rocking up to Korea and saying give me free stuff? Naa mate. We work, we get visas and we do not commit crime. Why is it racist to want people to behave like that in the UK and whilst trying to move there? Easier to just call people racists isn't it. Immigration, good. Illegal Immigration, bad.

Anyway.

Bad

- The weather, (not the rain, but ALWAYS windy)
- Parking costs
- Excessive regulations on almost anything (hopefully this dies down after leaving EU)
- Chavs and young carrying knives
- S*** roads and traffic
- 'Progressive' superiority trends (Vegan trend right now)
- Celebrity obsession and TV show obsession (I'm a celeb/strictly/x factor)
- Extreme rent prices
- Lack of fashion sense or effort of appearance
- Time of football kick offs
- Terrorism risk

Good

- Food (People saying British food is bad are delusional)
- Product availability (I can buy Korean food in the UK - Not vice versa)
- Pub culture / banter between friends / neighbours
- Christmas
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: oglop on January 10, 2020, 09:18:09 am

Living in Korea has given me perspective on this.  When my dad was over for Christmas, he was here for one week and of the seven days, only one day had air quality below 100 by AQICN, the other six days were 120+.  It's depressing and even my dad was surprised by it.  So now when my family complain it's raining in England, I would take that over air that may kill me.

yea the air quality is the first thing i notice when i go back to england. i'd have weather and air quality in two different categories though

spot on about the whiny threads by cyanea though
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: L I on January 10, 2020, 09:28:02 am
https://aqicn.org/city/london

https://aqicn.org/city/seoul
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: Kayos on January 10, 2020, 09:32:54 am
I hate how boring NZ is.
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: VanIslander on January 10, 2020, 10:56:04 am
I hate how boring NZ is.
I spent a month in Auckland, back in January of '05, and loved every minute of it.

The world is perpetually interesting if you keep moving around. I haven't met a boring place. I've moved to a new town 14 times in my life, the two longest stretches being 7 years at each of two places:  Kamloops, B.C. Canada for end of elementary school through end of high school, and Jeju Island from late 2009 to early 2017.

Of all the places i've lived, the two longest are least interesting to return to, apart from the people there.
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: shanebarry1986 on January 10, 2020, 11:32:47 am
As others have said, a pervasive air of aggression especially anytime alcohol is involved

I'd like to add this to my list. Four or five pints and a grown Irish man is a middle school bully again, picking fights with anyone not in his clique. It doesn't demonstrate your toughness or high T levels, but your low IQ. Obviously it's only a minority of Irish men who do this, but it is orders of magnitude more common than in Korea.
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: CO2 on January 10, 2020, 11:35:37 am
As others have said, a pervasive air of aggression especially anytime alcohol is involved

I'd like to add this to my list. Four or five pints and a grown Irish man is a middle school bully again, picking fights with anyone not in his clique. It doesn't demonstrate your toughness or high T levels, but your low IQ. Obviously it's only a minority of Irish men who do this, but it is orders of magnitude more common than in Korea.

I hate this.

 :huh: WhAt ArE You LOokInG At?

 :police: Your general direction/to my left/that side of the pub?

Like, wtf, I can't look around anymore?
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: Savant on January 10, 2020, 11:53:18 am
Brexit.

Overpriced train fares (air travel can be ridiculously cheap.
 
An abundance of fat people.

An abundance of people who don't care about their appearance.

Drunk/drug addicts on the street.

Knife culture.

Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: fka on January 10, 2020, 12:04:18 pm
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While money is thrown at immigrants left, right and center. You can spend thousands on visas, paperwork, documentation. Or jump in a boat and show up on a beach and get it for free.

Can you explain the intermediary steps between arriving on a beach in, say, Greece, and having the British government "throw money" at you? ? How long do you think it takes - using Cyanea's formulation - to arrive from North Africa as an economic migrant, obtain EU national status, migrate to Britain, get "money thrown at you" and live under some kind of favored conditions relative to British citizens? What process would you follow if you were standing on a beach in Algeria right now, waiting for a boat, and this was your goal? And what is the proportion of the social welfare budget spent on British citizens vs. refugees (since I'm assuming that's who you're referring to)?
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 10, 2020, 02:02:47 pm
Vandalism, gangs, homelessness, ticket-happy cops, heavy metal music, car racing on public streets, high taxes, the difficulty tuning out advertising, infrequent buses, expensive taxis and car repair, the long Christmasy season, snow piled up blocking walkways by snowplow trucks, pushy salesmen, the smell of marijuana on people, dog poo in parks, spiders galore, bad service at government offices, and the inconvenience of having to buy uncut, unwashed leafy veggies.

is your home country the 1980s?
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Graffiti in subways. People running around with vests and no shirts. Parks are always filled with violence. No safety rails on the subway platforms so you can get pushed in front. Radio DJs openly promoting violence.
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: tylerthegloob on January 10, 2020, 02:07:07 pm
Vandalism, gangs, homelessness, ticket-happy cops, heavy metal music, car racing on public streets, high taxes, the difficulty tuning out advertising, infrequent buses, expensive taxis and car repair, the long Christmasy season, snow piled up blocking walkways by snowplow trucks, pushy salesmen, the smell of marijuana on people, dog poo in parks, spiders galore, bad service at government offices, and the inconvenience of having to buy uncut, unwashed leafy veggies.

is your home country the 1980s?
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Graffiti in subways. People running around with vests and no shirts. Parks are always filled with violence. No safety rails on the subway platforms so you can get pushed in front. Radio DJs openly promoting violence.

warriors~ come out to play~
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: alexisalex on January 10, 2020, 02:16:58 pm
Ronnie, are you British?

You should know by now that the Brits on this site are in two camps:  those who like their country and somewhat miss it and those who hate their own country, slag it off at every opportunity and hate the people who live there (Brexit voting scum).  Guess which camp Ronnie is in haha.
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 10, 2020, 02:20:15 pm
Likes:
Clean Air
Cheap Golf
Clean Rivers and Lakes
Guns
Horses
Low Light Pollution a few hours drive away
Flying
Yachting
Fishing Cabins
Tailgaiting
Pig Roasts
Being able to work on a car in your garage
Spud Guns and all other sorts of dumb DIY stuff
Whole Foods buffet
Country Music
Performing Arts
Sports Talk Radio

Dislikes:
People with 50 bumper stickers on their car blaring their opinions
Everyone on knifes edge over saying something offensive
Hispterdom
Everyone trying to be different/important/heard/in charge/significant
Not being able to have a conversation where each person gets a chance to have their say
Crime
Nanny State creep
First World Problems
People treating their 2/10 situation or political gripe like it's an 11/10
Ratchetness and thugishness (from people of all colors- this is more of an age thing than a race thing *cough* West Coast Asians *cough*)
Not being able to go to sporting events without worrying about violence in the stands or the parking lot
Hard drugs and to a lesser extent, drug culture in general. Somewhere along the way pot went from something you did and you just did it to some sort of weird pseudo-spiritual almost evangelist nonsense.
Cars with 4 subs blasting at 2000 watts each causing tremors like the San Andreas Fault is about to go.
Slow speed of bureacracy
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: stoat on January 10, 2020, 03:47:48 pm
Ronnie, are you British?

You should know by now that the Brits on this site are in two camps:  those who like their country and somewhat miss it and those who hate their own country, slag it off at every opportunity and hate the people who live there (Brexit voting scum).  Guess which camp Ronnie is in haha.

Or the somewhere's and the anywhere's as David Goodhart names them in his book 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Road-Somewhere-Populist-Revolt-Politics/dp/1849047995

Goodhart renames the new tribes the “Anywheres” (roughly 20 to 25 per cent of the population) and the “Somewheres” (about half), with the rest in between. And it broadly works. Those who see the world from anywhere are, he points out, the ones who dominate our culture and society, doing well at school and moving to a residential university, and then into a professional career, often in London or abroad. “Such people have portable ‘achieved’ identities,” he says, “based on educational and career success which makes them . . . comfortable and confident with new places and people.”

The rebels are those more rooted in geographical identity – the Scottish farmer, working-class Geordie, Cornish housewife – who find the rapid changes of the modern world unsettling. They are likely to be older and less well educated. “They have lost economically with the decline of well-paid jobs for people without qualifications and culturally, too, with the disappearance of a distinct working-class culture and the marginalisation of their views in the public conversation,” Goodhart writes. He argues that this distinction, emerging from a melange of social and cultural views together with life experiences, matters more than old distinctions of right and left, or social class."

Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: MayorHaggar on January 10, 2020, 05:59:06 pm

Good

- Food (People saying British food is bad are delusional)

LOL British food is awful especially considering what you pay for it. An endless buffet of soggy, fried, salty garbage. And then you go and eat mushrooms and tomatoes for breakfast (on the side of your mountain of disgusting "bacon", "sausages," eggs and beans) and marmite/vegemite and pretend that you're normal people.

Last year I made the mistake of spending a couple weeks enjoying the food in France then went to the UK. It was basically going from the best food on the planet to a post-apocalyptic dystopia where modern agriculture has failed and people are reduced to eating whatever scraps they can scrounge up. Except that this garbage is actually food that Brits choose to spend their money on and claim to enjoy eating. Even my kiwi wife was horrified by British food, and she comes from a country that puts beets on everything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhdO_bYby1U
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: JNM on January 10, 2020, 07:30:48 pm
See attached:

(j/k)
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: oglop on January 10, 2020, 07:31:23 pm
i'm not a huge fan of british food, but fry ups are one of the best. why did you put bacon and sausages in quote marks?
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: stoat on January 10, 2020, 07:41:13 pm
The UK has never claimed to have fancy cuisine. It's largely based on simple stodgy food to keep people's energy levels up in a crap climate.  Most of what you'd call British food nowadays is served at greasy spoon cafs, chippies or pubs, so you're likely to have some bad experiences if you only frequent those places. Anyone who's staying for a while in the UK and is picky about their food would make use of the massive choice of foreign restaurants with foreign cooks available in every town or city in the UK.
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: Savant on January 10, 2020, 08:32:47 pm
The UK has never claimed to have fancy cuisine. It's largely based on simple stodgy food to keep people's energy levels up in a crap climate.  Most of what you'd call British food nowadays is served at greasy spoon cafs, chippies or pubs, so you're likely to have some bad experiences if you only frequent those places. Anyone who's staying for a while in the UK and is picky about their food would make use of the massive choice of foreign restaurants with foreign cooks available in every town or city in the UK.

Went home recently and I forgot how decent the food choices are in the restaurants supermarkets. More quality and reasonably priced. Lamb steaks, ham joints, roasts, ales on tap...
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 11, 2020, 12:46:05 am
i'm not a huge fan of british food, but fry ups are one of the best. why did you put bacon and sausages in quote marks?
Yeah, but that's something you should eat like, once a month. The older I get, the more I realize just how unsuitable that is for breakfast. I want to head out feeling refreshed, not like I need to go take a nap and am already worried if I'm going to have to take a massive afternoon shit.
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: gogators! on January 11, 2020, 05:17:37 am
OCC. Retail stores offer little selection so almost everything has to be ordered online, even from the brick and mortar stores. Everything comes in a box that has to be cut up and put into the recycling bin.

Just had an office chair delivered--a homeless person could ride out a hurricane in that box.
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: raysmith on January 11, 2020, 06:13:47 am
Nothing really.

My home country has a few 'yobbos'.  However, one can escape these yobbos by getting a backpack and hiking and camping in the National Parks for a few days.  I don't think it is legal to go hiking/camping in South Korean National parks.
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: stoat on January 11, 2020, 06:21:56 am
i'm not a huge fan of british food, but fry ups are one of the best. why did you put bacon and sausages in quote marks?
Yeah, but that's something you should eat like, once a month. The older I get, the more I realize just how unsuitable that is for breakfast. I want to head out feeling refreshed, not like I need to go take a nap and am already worried if I'm going to have to take a massive afternoon shit.

A full English is useful if you have a really busy day and don't want the hassle of organising lunch.
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Post by: Cohort 2019 on January 11, 2020, 06:43:22 am
Spice addicts and Chinese tourists taking photos of my students (only the blonde and oddly so, ginger ones).
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Post by: fka on January 11, 2020, 07:25:01 am
i'm not a huge fan of british food, but fry ups are one of the best. why did you put bacon and sausages in quote marks?

British bacon is absolutely vile. It never goes crispy, just turns pinkish-grey and curls up at the edges, leaving little pools of water and grease on the surface and a border of inedible fat on the ends. It's like an old piece of ham, cooked by a 5-year-old.

Tomatoes can be an acceptable addition to the fry-up but they're too often slightly charred on the cut side, but otherwise hard and watery. Black pudding and potato scones are great, though, so Scotland is by far the superior breakfast nation.
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Post by: VanIslander on January 11, 2020, 07:30:03 am
I don't think it is legal to go hiking/camping in South Korean National parks.
Millions of Koreans go hiking in national parks and thousands camp there.

I have hiked seven mountainous parks here and camped at three of them. Byeonsan was the best! Campsites by the sea and also up the mountain.

Jirisan has sleeping huts and also over a half dozen campsites. 2- to 3-day trips are possible in the big park. I have crisscrossed the trails five times, once in winter. Very nice.

In addition to national parks, camping at beaches has been a pleasure i indulged in for over a decade. Not Gyeongpoedae or Haeundae, absurdly busy, though i mistakenly cramped my tent amidst a swarm of noisy campers at Hyopjae on Jeju. I hit the less crowded beaches, where no more than fifty or so other campers are. The south coast, from the awesome Buan peninsula north of Mokpo around to Hakdong and Myeongsa beach on Geoje, is full of great camping. I plan a 3- to 6- month trip in one of the coming summers of this decade to re-visit one last time (before returning to my home country) all the Southern coastal places I have pitched a tent over the years.
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Post by: oglop on January 11, 2020, 10:29:14 am
i'm not a huge fan of british food, but fry ups are one of the best. why did you put bacon and sausages in quote marks?

British bacon is absolutely vile. It never goes crispy, just turns pinkish-grey and curls up at the edges, leaving little pools of water and grease on the surface and a border of inedible fat on the ends. It's like an old piece of ham, cooked by a 5-year-old.

Tomatoes can be an acceptable addition to the fry-up but they're too often slightly charred on the cut side, but otherwise hard and watery. Black pudding and potato scones are great, though, so Scotland is by far the superior breakfast nation.
you just ain;t cooking it long enough. but tomatoes can **** off yeah
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: SPQR on January 11, 2020, 11:22:04 am
There are not many dishes in the world that can top a good plate of egg and chips
washed down with a pint of Carlsberg.
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: VanIslander on January 11, 2020, 12:32:48 pm
The United Kingdom is top-10 in the world in cardio-vascular disease death rate.

And it most likely ain't got nothing to do with beans and tomatoes!
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: oglop on January 11, 2020, 12:38:35 pm
The United Kingdom is top-10 in the world in cardio-vascular disease death rate.

And it most likely ain't got nothing to do with beans and tomatoes!
what
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on January 11, 2020, 04:05:08 pm
The blindspot the British have over the perception THEY have of their breakfast vs. how much of the world regards it and its levelnof culinary quality is astounding. When old Rumpole of the Bailey cited it as one of the great British gifts to the world, it's both charming and a bit delusional.

All that being said, when you're drunk at 3AM, American/British breakfast is so damn good.
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: oglop on January 11, 2020, 04:12:23 pm
The blindspot the British have over the perception THEY have of their breakfast vs. how much of the world regards it and its levelnof culinary quality is astounding. When old Rumpole of the Bailey cited it as one of the great British gifts to the world, it's both charming and a bit delusional.

All that being said, when you're drunk at 3AM, American/British breakfast is so damn good.
Who's saying its a culinary masterpiece?
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Post by: Orkblut on January 11, 2020, 04:28:50 pm
I've encountered loads of Brits who think their brekkies are amazing, and also think that Cadbury's is quality chocolate and that they have the best cheeses in the world. They have decent cheese, but other European countries do it better. If anything they should brag about some of the pies they have, that's the real deal.

Brits tend to eat pretty poorly for the most part anyhow. Better quality ingredients and what-not than the States (and possibly Canada, they seem to love American processed "foods"), but then mess it up and turn it into junk food. Or maybe it's just me. I guess chips on a bread roll has some charm, think Pippin was fond of it in Return of the King.
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Post by: oglop on January 11, 2020, 05:56:55 pm
they were probably just comparing cheese and choc to the stuff you can buy in korea (and america?). i've never met anyone that thinks british cheese is better than european though..? the variety of cheese you can get in korea is awful however, and the popular chocolate seems to be that hersheys rubbish- that's probably why you hear brits complain.
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Post by: stoat on January 11, 2020, 06:03:21 pm
they were probably just comparing cheese and choc to the stuff you can buy in korea (and america?). i've never met anyone that thinks british cheese is better than european though..? the variety of cheese you can get in korea is awful however, and the popular chocolate seems to be that hersheys rubbish- that's probably why you hear brits complain.

There was a poll about it on this very site not long ago and most people thought British cheese was best.

https://www.waygook.org/index.php?topic=117021.msg790075#msg790075

The UK now produces more varieties of cheese than France, which was second choice.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/britain-now-a-bigger-cheese-than-france-j3vdn8s6g

 Personally I don't think you can beat a good creamy Stilton
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: MayorHaggar on January 11, 2020, 06:41:02 pm
i'm not a huge fan of british food, but fry ups are one of the best. why did you put bacon and sausages in quote marks?
Yeah, but that's something you should eat like, once a month. The older I get, the more I realize just how unsuitable that is for breakfast. I want to head out feeling refreshed, not like I need to go take a nap and am already worried if I'm going to have to take a massive afternoon shit.

A full English is useful if you have a really busy day and don't want the hassle of organising lunch.

No, it's useful if it's 9AM and you're still drunk and British and need something to soak up the alcohol.
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: MayorHaggar on January 11, 2020, 06:44:16 pm
The UK has never claimed to have fancy cuisine. It's largely based on simple stodgy food to keep people's energy levels up in a crap climate.  Most of what you'd call British food nowadays is served at greasy spoon cafs, chippies or pubs, so you're likely to have some bad experiences if you only frequent those places. Anyone who's staying for a while in the UK and is picky about their food would make use of the massive choice of foreign restaurants with foreign cooks available in every town or city in the UK.

Oh here we go.

"B-b-but British food isn't that bad, is it? Jamie Oliver did a show this one time on TV where he cooked with garlic! Things have changed so much! You can get curry on every corner! We have pizza and donuts now, just like the big boy yanks!"

The problem is that all the "great new food" is still aimed at a British palate. So it's soggy, over-salted, overpriced, tasteless.
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: MayorHaggar on January 11, 2020, 06:51:25 pm
i'm not a huge fan of british food, but fry ups are one of the best. why did you put bacon and sausages in quote marks?

British bacon is absolutely vile. It never goes crispy, just turns pinkish-grey and curls up at the edges, leaving little pools of water and grease on the surface and a border of inedible fat on the ends. It's like an old piece of ham, cooked by a 5-year-old.

This guy gets it. I don't get why anyone eats British bacon gray fried ham or nasty British sausages crusty tubes of unseasoned mush when far superior American bacon and sausages exist.

Sadly here in New Zealand, sausage culture is just about as bad as in Korea--everyone loves sausages and barbecues them in the summer, but they're basically just nasty hot dogs instead of the massive variety of nicely spiced sausages you get in America. They have "streaky" bacon here which is kind of like American bacon, but not as good.

You'd think that if anyone ate American bacon once in their life they'd reject their old bacon gods and devote their lives to superior American bacon. Maybe it's just a secret that the rest of the world isn't worthy of knowing about as they laugh at us while eating their gruel.
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: stoat on January 11, 2020, 06:54:06 pm
The UK has never claimed to have fancy cuisine. It's largely based on simple stodgy food to keep people's energy levels up in a crap climate.  Most of what you'd call British food nowadays is served at greasy spoon cafs, chippies or pubs, so you're likely to have some bad experiences if you only frequent those places. Anyone who's staying for a while in the UK and is picky about their food would make use of the massive choice of foreign restaurants with foreign cooks available in every town or city in the UK.

Oh here we go.

"B-b-but British food isn't that bad, is it? Jamie Oliver did a show this one time on TV where he cooked with garlic! Things have changed so much! You can get curry on every corner! We have pizza and donuts now, just like the big boy yanks!"

The problem is that all the "great new food" is still aimed at a British palate. So it's soggy, over-salted, overpriced, tasteless.

I don't know what more you want. I admitted British food is simple and stodgy.   Are you trying to make out that the UK doesn't have a lot of diversity in restaurants now? You do know that London is the most diverse city on earth, don't you?  Or are you trying to make the point that even all the foreign restaurants in the UK serve crappy food because they've been negatively influenced by the host country's cuisine?  I'd say that was a little far-fetched.
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Post by: oglop on January 11, 2020, 07:15:49 pm
i'm not a huge fan of british food, but fry ups are one of the best. why did you put bacon and sausages in quote marks?
Yeah, but that's something you should eat like, once a month. The older I get, the more I realize just how unsuitable that is for breakfast. I want to head out feeling refreshed, not like I need to go take a nap and am already worried if I'm going to have to take a massive afternoon shit.

A full English is useful if you have a really busy day and don't want the hassle of organising lunch.

No, it's useful if it's 9AM and you're still drunk and British and need something to soak up the alcohol.
Yes this is literally what fry ups are for

Also, I can see the appeal of American bacon (it's yum!) but American sausages..? Basically tube-shaped mystery meat, aren't they?

Yeah anyway I agree with stoat. I admitted I don't like British food much either, and said I like fry ups. I'm not saying it's quality cuisine.. Just that I like it
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Post by: stoat on January 11, 2020, 07:51:03 pm
i'm not a huge fan of british food, but fry ups are one of the best. why did you put bacon and sausages in quote marks?
Yeah, but that's something you should eat like, once a month. The older I get, the more I realize just how unsuitable that is for breakfast. I want to head out feeling refreshed, not like I need to go take a nap and am already worried if I'm going to have to take a massive afternoon shit.

A full English is useful if you have a really busy day and don't want the hassle of organising lunch.

No, it's useful if it's 9AM and you're still drunk and British and need something to soak up the alcohol.
Yes this is literally what fry ups are for

Also, I can see the appeal of American bacon (it's yum!) but American sausages..? Basically tube-shaped mystery meat, aren't they?

Yeah anyway I agree with stoat. I admitted I don't like British food much either, and said I like fry ups. I'm not saying it's quality cuisine.. Just that I like it

He's the one who keeps accusing people of being white supremacists but, as someone else pointed out before, he's one of the few people on here who actually comes across as angry that people from other countries like their own stuff
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: Cohort 2019 on January 12, 2020, 03:07:09 am
I love pub grub and really miss it.

Burgers with beets and eggs on top are great, too. There's a little Aussie store in Itaewon that does them.
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: VanIslander on January 12, 2020, 08:24:41 am
I love pub grub and really miss it.

Burgers with beets and eggs on top are great, too. There's a little Aussie store in Itaewon that does them.
I love pub grub and really miss it.
I miss chili con carne, ministrone and goulash.

In Canada (and the U.S.) I took for granted the cultural variety EASILY available. I'd just ask someone on the street and would be pointed in the right direction.

In Korea, there are several awesome kinds of stew, but none like the trio I cite above.
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: Fidel on January 12, 2020, 12:00:00 pm
Extremely high house prices, particularly hard for first home house buyers. I’m ok, as purchased a while back and my house has trebled in value but if I sell going to increase my mortgage a lot
High tax - I pay 50k in tax annually
The weather over Xmas when on holiday.  Usually average but when you go back to work summer finally kicks in. 
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: Ronnie Omelettes on January 13, 2020, 07:09:57 am
The blindspot the British have over the perception THEY have of their breakfast vs. how much of the world regards it and its levelnof culinary quality is astounding. When old Rumpole of the Bailey cited it as one of the great British gifts to the world, it's both charming and a bit delusional.

All that being said, when you're drunk at 3AM, American/British breakfast is so damn good.
Who's saying its a culinary masterpiece?

No one is saying it's a culinary masterpiece, except martin.  I also don't remember any Brits waxing lyrical about greasy spoon breakfasts, except possibly truck drivers with high cholesterol.  When you're a uni student, they're great for soaking up excess alcohol the morning after, but these days they're just not healthy.  Like an Ulster fry up.  Which my younger brother gets when he visits his in-laws in NI. 

I don't think Brits are under any illusion that we are some culinary greats in the world.  We have a great selection of decent foreign cuisine and a decent choice of ingredients, but we don't really have a 'national dish', as in something that is eaten regularly like you would with Koreans and that red, spicy cabbage dealy I can't quite remember the name of.  When I talk to my students about British food, I say, erroneously or not, that breakfast is considered the most important meal of the day as it sets you up for the day ahead.  Decent breakfast, light lunch and normal dinner.   :undecided:
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: LIC on January 13, 2020, 11:07:29 am
Canada:

Despise the liberal politics

Loathe the weather

I live in the tropics!
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: CO2 on January 13, 2020, 11:21:26 am
I live in the tropics!

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Post by: Colburnnn on January 13, 2020, 01:26:18 pm
Imagine not cooking bacon for long enough, then saying it's vile and never goes crispy... madness.
Title: Re: What do you hate about your home country?
Post by: LIC on January 13, 2020, 02:12:07 pm
I live in the tropics!

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Yeah, man. Didn't you know? I have lived in the tropics for a long time. I wear socks 2 or 3 times a year, usually it's because of a wedding, you know, when I have to wear shoes.

You don't live in the tropics? Why?
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Post by: confusedsafferinkorea on January 13, 2020, 02:20:16 pm
I live in the tropics!

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Yeah, man. Didn't you know? I have lived in the tropics for a long time. I wear socks 2 or 3 times a year, usually it's because of a wedding, you know, when I have to wear shoes.

You don't live in the tropics? Why?

The tropics cover a large area, which part in particular do you live in, I am sure we are all dying to know.
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Post by: LIC on January 23, 2020, 12:03:38 pm
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Yeah, man. Didn't you know? I have lived in the tropics for a long time. I wear socks 2 or 3 times a year, usually it's because of a wedding, you know, when I have to wear shoes.

You don't live in the tropics? Why?


The tropics cover a large area, which part in particular do you live in, I am sure we are all dying to know.

No you're not. Homie don't play that.
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Post by: Cohort 2019 on January 24, 2020, 05:22:21 am
;D