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Title: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: persimmon14 on January 01, 2020, 02:22:38 pm
I've lived in Korea and gone through many winters.
I've never had to leave my boiler (using room temperature gauge/controller on the wall) on to keep the pipes from freezing.

Since the gas costs are really high to keep your room heated (where I live, we're using some kind of gas boiler system)
that can easily run between 150,000 - 250,000 a month, I always leave mine  OFF and simply use an electric fan heater to heat my room.
I only pay for hot water / showers which comes to around 17,000 won in gas per month.

My owner keeps reminding me every year (a few times each winter) to keep my  boiler on at "외출" which translated i believe means "outing"?
He says that  it keeps the pipes from potentially freezing, because if I don't leave it on and the pipes freeze, it could cost hundreds of dollars to fix. 

Is this a common problem in Korea?  Have any of you ever heard about this or had frozen pipes that cost you hundreds of dollars to fix becase you failed to keep the boiler on at 외출 all during winter season?   I don't know how much money the gas bill will come out to each month
just for leaving it on 외출 (which isn't heating my room, it's just meant to keep the boiler at a minimum so the pipes don't freeze).  I would imagine it should be pretty low but then, I also never had any issues leaving it off the entire winter.   I'd much rather not have to pay for something that is merely just a preventative and not actually giving me any heat.  But if it comes to only a few bucks a month for nothing, I guess I can just do that.  It's just, I've never heard of any stories or posts where foreigners who didn't know reported they had to pay hundreds of dollars to fix frozen pipes because they didn't leave the boiler on during winter season.
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Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: waygo0k on January 01, 2020, 02:34:02 pm
It would cost your landlord, not you hundreds of dollars to fix.

In Korea, landlords (for monthly rentals) are responsible for ALL repairs as long as you didnít break anything.
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: MayorHaggar on January 01, 2020, 03:03:54 pm
Yes frozen pipes do happen, seen many people here talk about it. The problem is that pipes in Korea aren't insulated, so if they're in the laundry room balcony thing they can freeze. Just put it on the travel setting (the waechul thing) and won't cost you much at all. You could get charged for the repairs since you caused the pipes to freeze. Plus you don't want to go without hot water in winter.
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: oglop on January 01, 2020, 03:18:14 pm
It would cost your landlord, not you hundreds of dollars to fix.

In Korea, landlords (for monthly rentals) are responsible for ALL repairs as long as you didnít break anything.
Yes but if your landlord tells you to leave your heating on 외출 and you don't, causing your pipes to freeze..it's your fault
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: Lazio on January 01, 2020, 06:21:00 pm
Pipes can indeed freeze in the winter. It depends on how exposed the boiler is to the weather. I saw plenty of older houses where the boiler was just on an outside wall, fully exposed. Also, a balcony with mostly windows (and I mean old windows that don't close well and don't really insulate) will not be able to prevent the temperature there from dropping below freezing on the coldest days.
Check where your boiler and see how well protected that area is from the outside. If you have a thermometer, put it there and check how cold it gets on a cold day when the outside temp. is minus whatever Celsius.
I don't think the "out" setting on the thermostat would use a lot of gas. It would run for a short time, every once in a while to pump some warm water through the pipes.
If you lived in the same place for years, and there was no problem even though you didn't use the boiler, then it should be okay doing the same way. Just to be safe, you can use the "out" setting on extreme cold days. Not sure where you are but in Seoul and Gyeongi that would mean around -14, -15 celsius or lower.
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: JNM on January 01, 2020, 07:46:49 pm
Pipes can indeed freeze in the winter. It depends on how exposed the boiler is to the weather. I saw plenty of older houses where the boiler was just on an outside wall, fully exposed. Also, a balcony with mostly windows (and I mean old windows that don't close well and don't really insulate) will not be able to prevent the temperature there form dropping below freezing on the coldest days.
Check where your boiler is. If you have a thermometer, put it there and check how cold it gets while the outside temp. is whatever.
I don't think the "out" setting on the thermostat would use a lot of gas. It would run for a short time, every once in a while to pump some warm water through the pipes.
If you lived in the same place for years, and there was no problem even though you didn't use the boiler, than it should be okay doing the same way. Just to be safe, you can use the "out" setting on extreme cold days. Not sure where you are but in Seoul and Gyeongi that would mean around -14, -15 celsius or lower.

In fact, if it is not needed, it likely wonít run at all.
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: #basedcowboyshirt on January 02, 2020, 07:49:16 am
Yeah. Use your 외출 setting. I have had a boiler freeze and break when I first got to Korea because I didn't know to use it.
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: robin_teacher on January 02, 2020, 08:04:13 am
We've had our pipes freeze when were away before and it was a complete ballache. If you'r worried about gas prices you could leave your taps running at a very low-level. That's what we do when it gets below -5C at night. With winters this cold and construction like this preventative measures like 외출 and running taps are just the cost of doing business. Even if you don't pay for repairs it's still your apartment which lacks running water in mid-winter.
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: Kayos on January 02, 2020, 08:24:36 am
Yeah, it's common here.
I can't leave mine on that setting though. The panel is a little broken (been this way since I got the apartment) and the panel often resets itself.
For example, I turn it on and go have a shower, in the middle of the shower it resets, the water goes ice cold, and the default for the panel is the heated floors.
It does this very often, enough that it would just waste a lot of oil while I'm not home. My school is pretty good at fixing stuff in my apartment, but this is the one thing that they haven't fixed, as it's never done it when they have come to check on it.
However, my school has reminded me to do that, I might point it out again and see if we can get it fixed so I can run that without worry.
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: nightninja on January 02, 2020, 08:38:40 am
It would cost your landlord, not you hundreds of dollars to fix.

In Korea, landlords (for monthly rentals) are responsible for ALL repairs as long as you didnít break anything.

Yeah, it would be your fault if the landlord said to do it and you chose not to. I had my pipes semi frozen one winter and it scared me because when I turned the faucet on after returning from a few days away, it started shaking violently and making some horrible sounds.....in the end it was fine, but I don't know if that would have been the case had it frozen completely. In another place, the landlord stuffs warm clothing or other materials into the area with the main water connection....I've seen those break due to cold before but luckily not my own.
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: thunderlips on January 02, 2020, 08:44:30 am
I had a pipe burst from the upstairs apartment being empty and the owner didn't keep the heat on. Water came gushing from the ceiling right where my bed had been, I had moved it into the living room out of convenience luckily.
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: buckybee on January 02, 2020, 09:12:45 am
A friend went traveling for just a couple weeks and he didn't turn it on. He had to pay for a lot of damages because the pipes burst. It was not cheap.
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: persimmon14 on January 03, 2020, 08:13:38 am
thanks all for the advice.  It's good to hear about your past experiences.  Even though I've never used it for all these winters and never had any problems or pipes freeze on me, I guess I should still turn on waychil mode from time to time, especially for the coldest nights.  Have a happy new year everyone!
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: lhelena on January 03, 2020, 08:54:36 am
I would just leave it on. It doesn't cost you anything and it's better to be safe than sorry. I know someone who had their pipes burst from not leaving it on reserve (waechul) and it cost them about 500-600 for the repairs.
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: Liechtenstein on January 28, 2020, 03:03:23 pm
Isn't it a drag to have to worry about freezing water pipes for several months a year? Why do you do it?
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: persimmon14 on February 05, 2020, 05:35:06 pm
Update:  so this past month I decided to turn my boiler on "waechul" for just 2 nights (the 2 coldest days of the month...rest of the days have been pretty mild so didn't bother).   

My gas bill came out to 3,500 won for leaving it on waechul for just 2 nights (roughly 24 hours total. I would turn off during the day).  That means, if I left it on all day / night during the winter, each month would come out to about 105,000 won per month.  That's just for leaving it on waechul to prevent pipes from freezing.  That doesn't included what I'd be spending on gas for showers and dishwashing etc so add on another 15-25k won per month so in total I'd be spending around 130,000 won a month on gas alone.   Doesn't that seem high to you?

I don't know where people say it costs almost nothing to leave it on waechul and just be safe.  It costs 100,000 won a month for literally just keeping the pipes from freezing, even though I've been through many winters here in korea before and I never used it before and never had frozen pipes *knock on wood* and past winters have been much colder than this one.

I thought it might only cost about 5000 won a month to leave it on waechul but it's definitely using a lot of gas.   I think if the temperature outside is around -5 is or so, you don't need to turn it on.  At least in my experience, I've never had frozen pipes and had winter nights as low as -10 before.   I don't know, maybe I'm playing with fire and my pipes freeze up on me, or maybe it depends on  your building....build type, pipes type, etc.   If I know we're going to have a really cold spell, then I'd probably turn it on at night, but I don't think I'll be using it all if it's just -5.   
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: Lazio on February 05, 2020, 06:34:27 pm
Update:  so this past month I decided to turn my boiler on "waechul" for just 2 nights (the 2 coldest days of the month...rest of the days have been pretty mild so didn't bother).   

My gas bill came out to 3,500 won for leaving it on waechul for just 2 nights (roughly 24 hours total. I would turn off during the day).  That means, if I left it on all day / night during the winter, each month would come out to about 105,000 won per month.  That's just for leaving it on waechul to prevent pipes from freezing.  That doesn't included what I'd be spending on gas for showers and dishwashing etc so add on another 15-25k won per month so in total I'd be spending around 130,000 won a month on gas alone.   Doesn't that seem high to you?

I don't know where people say it costs almost nothing to leave it on waechul and just be safe.  It costs 100,000 won a month for literally just keeping the pipes from freezing, even though I've been through many winters here in korea before and I never used it before and never had frozen pipes *knock on wood* and past winters have been much colder than this one.

I thought it might only cost about 5000 won a month to leave it on waechul but it's definitely using a lot of gas.   I think if the temperature outside is around -5 is or so, you don't need to turn it on.  At least in my experience, I've never had frozen pipes and had winter nights as low as -10 before.   I don't know, maybe I'm playing with fire and my pipes freeze up on me, or maybe it depends on  your building....build type, pipes type, etc.   If I know we're going to have a really cold spell, then I'd probably turn it on at night, but I don't think I'll be using it all if it's just -5.   

I've never really used the "out" setting on my boiler but that indeed sounds a lot. You might as well heat the house properly with that much gas.
For reference, my pretty efficient condensing boiler uses about 1.8-1.9 cubic meter of gas if I run it for an hour. That's in a 33pyeong apartment, so it's a lot of water to heat up. 1 cubic meter of gas costs roughly 750won. I assume your place is smaller so 1 cubic meter of gas is plenty enough to make your floor nice and warm.
Our gas bill was 76,000 for January and it was 23-24 degrees Celsius all the time, day and night.

*edit
But how do you know it was 3500won to run your boiler? Just simply deducted your normal usage from the bill? That could be inaccurate, since the water in winter is really cold so it takes more gas to heat it up.Even if you wash the same amount of dishes and shower for a flat 10 minutes every day, it will cost you more in winter because the starting water temperature is lower.
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: MayorHaggar on February 05, 2020, 06:55:02 pm
At my last apartment in Daegu we'd run the ondol all the time on high when we were at home (nights and weekends) and our gas bill was like 80,000 a month max in the winter. Unless you have a really shitty boiler you shouldn't be spending much on waechul. It really just runs for like a few minutes and moves the water around for a bit then shuts off.
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: lhelena on February 06, 2020, 07:59:51 am
My gas bill has never been more than like 45,000. I leave mine on the reserve/waechul setting pretty much all winter and then actually run the ondol at night. I don't know if I just have a very efficient boiler or what but that sounds very high.
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: Mezoti97 on February 06, 2020, 09:27:45 am
Your gas bill in the winter also depends on how large your apartment is and, if your apartment is larger than a studio (i.e., has one or more separate bedrooms), whether you use the ondol for every room or turn off the switches that control which room the ondol will turn on in, so that the ondol only turns on in a certain room(s).
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: CO2 on February 06, 2020, 09:41:57 am
I'm lucky. I haven't even plugged in my ondol this entire year. I have no actual contact with my apartment to the outside world, it's in the middle of the building. This way I can just absorb all my neighbour's walls, like a heat thief.
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: stoat on February 06, 2020, 09:44:05 am
I'm lucky. I haven't even plugged in my ondol this entire year. I have no actual contact with my apartment to the outside world, it's in the middle of the building. This way I can just absorb all my neighbour's walls, like a heat thief.

No windows?
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: tylerthegloob on February 06, 2020, 09:49:41 am
I'm lucky. I have no windows. Who needs sunlight? I wish I could live underground like a hobbit. Are the mole people real? Fallout is my favorite game (up until you leave the underground vaults).

hmmmmmm idk man i'm thinking you should at least be taking a vitamin D supplement.

on a serious note though, i'm in busan (in a newish building) and i've never been told i need to use the heat. then again, if you're up north or in an older building it's probably different.
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: CO2 on February 06, 2020, 09:50:15 am
No windows?
It's a small window (2ftx1ft HIGH up near the ceiling) that looks out on the other hallway. Imagine an X and O board where the lines are halls.

I'm the middle square.

hmmmmmm idk man i'm thinking you should at least be taking a vitamin D supplement.

My house is so small that I'm never there. haha, I am outside a lot.
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: Chinguetti on February 06, 2020, 10:55:59 am
@OP: Your pipes can definitely freeze up at -5 degrees, just not instantly. You're gambling if you refuse to turn on your waechul. Frozen pipes can happen even when the temperature isn't at freezing levels. Wind chill, how the building is constructed, and where it's located also factor in. Your landlord is looking out for you, it's in both of your interests to run your waechul.

Yes but if your landlord tells you to leave your heating on 외출 and you don't, causing your pipes to freeze..it's your fault

Quoting this for emphasis.

Frozen pipes aren't just an inconvenience, they're an incredibly expensive repair, especially if they end up bursting. I've heard stories of repair bills starting in the millions of won because of this.

Better to pay an expensive gas bill than a really expensive repair bill.
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: Piggydee on February 06, 2020, 12:13:18 pm
Okay just bored and thought I'd ask.  My boiler is acting funny.  I DO LEAVE IT ON.  I do but it on 외출 but sometimes I leave it on 신내.  But I noticed that even though I do these times the temperature doesn't climb to the 희망 point that I want it.  (Ex.  Room Temp will read 17 and I will put the 희망 {hope, intended } temperature to 23 but it rarely reaches that point.  At this morning I notice that the real room temp (현재 ) temp read 14 so I put the 희망 temp at 16.  Do you think my boiler is broken?  Or is there something I can do to fix it.  I don't really want to tell my landlord about it because I'm leaving in a little over 4 weeks and I DON'T want to be responsible for repairs.  I do get hot water though.  Usually a tall tale sign that your boiler is broken is if you don't get hot water or it comes in luke warm and goes away.  I had  problem at my first officetel and the landlord there said I had to foot the entire 630,000won bill when that boiler was malfunction.  My Korean friend did get on the phone and tell her that since it was her property that was breaking that she had to negotiate a deal with me to pay half.  She only paid 240,000won towards the bill and I have to give her the rest  >:( >:(

I really don't want to deal with that on my last month here.  So far I've been relying on my heated bed mat to keep me warm. 

Oh btw this is my exact boiler

 (https://mooyoul.github.io/2016/11/06/installing-kiturami-iot-heating-controller/DSC06523.jpg)
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: Mezoti97 on February 06, 2020, 12:47:23 pm
Okay just bored and thought I'd ask.  My boiler is acting funny.  I DO LEAVE IT ON.  I do but it on 외출 but sometimes I leave it on 신내.  But I noticed that even though I do these times the temperature doesn't climb to the 희망 point that I want it.  (Ex.  Room Temp will read 17 and I will put the 희망 {hope, intended } temperature to 23 but it rarely reaches that point.  At this morning I notice that the real room temp (현재 ) temp read 14 so I put the 희망 temp at 16.  Do you think my boiler is broken?  Or is there something I can do to fix it.  I don't really want to tell my landlord about it because I'm leaving in a little over 4 weeks and I DON'T want to be responsible for repairs.  I do get hot water though.  Usually a tall tale sign that your boiler is broken is if you don't get hot water or it comes in luke warm and goes away.  I had  problem at my first officetel and the landlord there said I had to foot the entire 630,000won bill when that boiler was malfunction.  My Korean friend did get on the phone and tell her that since it was her property that was breaking that she had to negotiate a deal with me to pay half.  She only paid 240,000won towards the bill and I have to give her the rest  >:( >:(

I really don't want to deal with that on my last month here.  So far I've been relying on my heated bed mat to keep me warm. 

Oh btw this is my exact boiler

 (https://mooyoul.github.io/2016/11/06/installing-kiturami-iot-heating-controller/DSC06523.jpg)

Sorry, I don't really know the answer to your question, but during the first winter at my current home in Korea (this was already several years ago), I noticed the ondol wasn't working although the hot water did work fine. After informing my landlord about it and he called a repairman to come look at it, it turned out that my boiler was not working properly, and so the repairman had to replace the boiler completely. However, my landlord paid for it and didn't charge me for it or make me pay for part of it -- any time there is something not working in my home, my landlord fixes/repairs it or has it replaced without charging me anything -- after all, since my landlord is the owner of my home, it is his responsibility to handle and pay for anything that needs to be fixed and/or replaced. It sounds like your first landlord wasn't a very good landlord if she made you pay for part of the cost to have your boiler fixed.
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: Piggydee on February 06, 2020, 12:58:30 pm
Sorry, I don't really know the answer to your question, but during the first winter at my current home in Korea (this was already several years ago), I noticed the ondol wasn't working although the hot water did work fine. After informing my landlord about it and he called a repairman to come look at it, it turned out that my boiler was not working properly, and so the repairman had to replace the boiler completely. However, my landlord paid for it and didn't charge me for it or make me pay for part of it -- any time there is something not working in my home, my landlord fixes/repairs it or has it replaced without charging me anything -- after all, since my landlord is the owner of my home, it is his responsibility to handle and pay for anything that needs to be fixed and/or replaced. It sounds like your first landlord wasn't a very good landlord if she made you pay for part of the cost to have your boiler fixed.

Yeah I agree.  However, there is signage all over my apartment that if the boiler drops below 10 degree and or it freezes then we are responsible for the cost of the system.  Meh....at this point it's not really that bad at my place but still IT COULD BE WARMER!
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: Chinguetti on February 06, 2020, 01:35:33 pm
It sounds like your first landlord wasn't a very good landlord if she made you pay for part of the cost to have your boiler fixed.

Yeah, this. If it's not jeonse, then it's the landlord's responsibility. Tenants are only legally responsible for damages that they've caused, and basic wear and tear and/or manufacturer flaws do not fall under that. Piggydee probably could have taken her previous landlord to small claims court to recover that money later, but it's spilled milk at this point.

@ Piggy: Do you have a lot of key money tied up in this place? Have you had any issues with the current landlord over anything else? Is it an old or new building? Does your landlord own the building, or only just your apartment? Are most if not all of the other apartments in the building owned or leased by other tenants, or are there a lot of empty rooms?

My landlord has never given me any issues about covering the costs of repairs in my own apartment. It's one of the reasons why I haven't tried to move, even though I'm at a point where I'd like a bigger place now, and none of my friends have had issues with their landlords trying to pull BS with them, either, so I'd like to tell you to give it a shot.

But then again, you only have 4 weeks left, and there is a chance that your current landlord might try to pull a fast one on you and hold your key money hostage. So it might be best to suffer in silence... unless you suspect that the lack of heating might lead to damage that the landlord will later blame on you and, of course, attempt to recover the costs of from your key money anyway.

I actually have the same boiler that you do, and I've had to have it serviced 2 times over the course of my 4 years in the same apartment. Each time, the chip that helps the boiler to regulate the temperature had to be replaced. And the problems I had with it always started out with insufficient heating that eventually got to the point where it wouldn't heat at all.

You could also just keep your eye on the temp, and as long as it remains consistent, you probably don't have anything to worry about. The moment you notice that the average temp is dropping, though, you should report it to the landlord.
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: Lazio on February 06, 2020, 05:53:22 pm
Yeah, this. If it's not jeonse, then it's the landlord's responsibility.

It doesn't matter whether it is jeonse or weolse, the landlord is responsible for fixing it or having it replaced. Unless the tenant deliberately damaged it somehow.

Piggydee's landlord was full of *hit. It was entirely on the landlord to cover the expenses. She just tried some "see if I can get some money from my foreigner tenant who won't know how things work in Korea" bs.
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: Lazio on February 06, 2020, 06:38:03 pm
Okay just bored and thought I'd ask.  My boiler is acting funny.  I DO LEAVE IT ON.  I do but it on 외출 but sometimes I leave it on 신내.  But I noticed that even though I do these times the temperature doesn't climb to the 희망 point that I want it.  (Ex.  Room Temp will read 17 and I will put the 희망 {hope, intended } temperature to 23 but it rarely reaches that point.  At this morning I notice that the real room temp (현재 ) temp read 14 so I put the 희망 temp at 16.  Do you think my boiler is broken?  Or is there something I can do to fix it.  I don't really want to tell my landlord about it because I'm leaving in a little over 4 weeks and I DON'T want to be responsible for repairs.  I do get hot water though.  Usually a tall tale sign that your boiler is broken is if you don't get hot water or it comes in luke warm and goes away.  I had  problem at my first officetel and the landlord there said I had to foot the entire 630,000won bill when that boiler was malfunction.  My Korean friend did get on the phone and tell her that since it was her property that was breaking that she had to negotiate a deal with me to pay half.  She only paid 240,000won towards the bill and I have to give her the rest  >:( >:(

I really don't want to deal with that on my last month here.  So far I've been relying on my heated bed mat to keep me warm. 

Oh btw this is my exact boiler

The picture is not your actual thermostat, is it? Just because it shows 27 Degrees Celsius.

What happens when you switch it to 실내 and set a temperature that is higher than the current room temp? Obviously your boiler should turn on right away. Does your floor get warm after a while? Check your boiler. One metal pipe, coming from the bottom of it, should be warm. That is where the warm water goes down to your floor. Another one is cold at first, that's the water returning. Make sure all the valves are open. Do you have something like on my attached picture? You might have fewer plastic pipes. Touch the horizontal metal pipes. Again, one should be warm. Touch the pipes running down into the floor.
If the boiler is running but the pipes are not getting warm, somewhere something could be blocked so the water can't move. Or the pump in the boiler can be busted so it doesn't move the water. Hot water and the floor heating are two separate parts within the boiler. So even if you have hot water for shower, the heating part can be malfunctioning.
How old is your boiler? Generally, boilers here are meant for 10 years of use. Something goes wrong in an older piece, they will just replace it with a new one.
I would definitely let the landlord know. It's not okay to live in a 14 Celsius apartment. I think it only costs 20k for a repair guy to visit your place and have a look at the boiler. If it needs some parts or fixing, they would tell what needs to be done and how much it would cost. Then the landlord can decide how to proceed.
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Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: Piggydee on February 07, 2020, 07:15:22 am
The picture is not your actual thermostat, is it? Just because it shows 27 Degrees Celsius.

What happens when you switch it to 실내 and set a temperature that is higher than the current room temp? Obviously your boiler should turn on right away. Does your floor get warm after a while? Check your boiler. One metal pipe, coming from the bottom of it, should be warm. That is where the warm water goes down to your floor. Another one is cold at first, that's the water returning. Make sure all the valves are open. Do you have something like on my attached picture? You might have fewer plastic pipes. Touch the horizontal metal pipes. Again, one should be warm. Touch the pipes running down into the floor.
If the boiler is running but the pipes are not getting warm, somewhere something could be blocked so the water can't move. Or the pump in the boiler can be busted so it doesn't move the water. Hot water and the floor heating are two separate parts within the boiler. So even if you have hot water for shower, the heating part can be malfunctioning.
How old is your boiler? Generally, boilers here are meant for 10 years of use. Something goes wrong in an older piece, they will just replace it with a new one.
I would definitely let the landlord know. It's not okay to live in a 14 Celsius apartment. I think it only costs 20k for a repair guy to visit your place and have a look at the boiler. If it needs some parts or fixing, they would tell what needs to be done and how much it would cost. Then the landlord can decide how to proceed.
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Yeah that picture is just an example of the system I do have.  I do have that exact system though.  If it doesn't cost that much then yeah I'll call a repair man to come check things out.  I was also told by one of my Korean friends that I could just be that because my area is so cold (I live way up North) that maybe a reason why my room is so cold. 
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: Piggydee on February 07, 2020, 07:29:28 am
Sorry Chinguetti never answered you.  It's was building was built in 2011.  I moved into 2014.  I've never seen my landlord and I've never had a run in with them.  (I say them because I don't even know what gender they are) According to my co-teacher it might be a woman.  There is key money of 900,000won that I first paid to my apartment when I moved it.  So far my room has been utilized by the English teachers that have worked at my school.  So I think I'm the 3rd foreigner to occupy this space.  I love my apartment.  It's VERY SPACIOUS.  Never had a mold problem.  All the light fixtures work and are EASY TO REPLACE.  and for ONCE it's not in a basement. 

As far as repairs, my washer machine was dancing at once point, the landlord did say that if the problem was user created that I would have to pay.  The maintenance man fixed it and the landlord never asked me for a penny.  The only "problem" I had was my inconsistent payment of the 과리비 (monthly service fee).  But I paid that and I'm current with that.  But it was never anything that involved a heat discussion.  So I could say that me and my landlord have a copacetic relationship.  I've never had a complaint lobed against me. 

(side note: further insult to the trauma I faced with that sh*tty hellwon I worked for, turns out they put me into the same apartment type of apartment that was featured in the Parasite movie.  A "banjiha."  Wow I feel like suing  :rolleyes:  )

(https://file.mk.co.kr/meet/neds/2019/12/image_readtop_2019_1056483_15765605844017089.jpg)

Parasite: The real people living in Seoul's basement apartments
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51321661 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51321661)

Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: Lazio on February 07, 2020, 08:39:10 am
Yeah that picture is just an example of the system I do have.  I do have that exact system though.  If it doesn't cost that much then yeah I'll call a repair man to come check things out.  I was also told by one of my Korean friends that I could just be that because my area is so cold (I live way up North) that maybe a reason why my room is so cold. 

Did you check the things I wrote? Previous winters were much colder than this one. Was your place cold like now? If the floor gets warm but the room temperature doesn't really increase, then you can blame the lack of insulation and bad windows etc because the warmth just escapes. But if the floor doesn't even get warm, you have some problem with your boiler.

I would still notify the landlord first and have them call the A/S. Btw. it's best to call Kiturami, not just some random guy. They are trust worthy and can visit your place within 1-2 hours. The number should be written on your boiler but just in case: 1588-9000
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: theman3285 on February 07, 2020, 08:49:31 am
they put me into the same apartment type of apartment that was featured in the Parasite movie.  A "banjiha." 
Seems like an interesting flick. Any idea where I can watch it with subtitles? Checked Netflix but it's eopsseoyo
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: CO2 on February 07, 2020, 11:12:03 am
Seems like an interesting flick. Any idea where I can watch it with subtitles? Checked Netflix but it's eopsseoyo

http://cineinkorea.com/

It's playing this weekend!
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: Mezoti97 on February 07, 2020, 02:35:22 pm
Seems like an interesting flick. Any idea where I can watch it with subtitles? Checked Netflix but it's eopsseoyo

One of my Korean co-worker friends told me yesterday that "Parasite" is playing at the CGV near 혜화 station this weekend.
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: Piggydee on February 07, 2020, 02:50:02 pm
One of my Korean co-worker friends told me yesterday that "Parasite" is playing at the CGV near 혜화 station this weekend.

But does it have subs?  I called Olleh TV to ask if they offer Korean movies with English subtitles and they said Nah.  I looked on google play and youtube and they offer no English subs as of now.  Ugh I'm thinking of torrenting it.  I would like to see it before I leave.
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: CO2 on February 07, 2020, 02:58:54 pm
One of my Korean co-worker friends told me yesterday that "Parasite" is playing at the CGV near 혜화 station this weekend.

It's playing at Wangsimni on Monday with no subs.

It;s playing at Emu Cinema near Seodaemun WITH SUBS ................... ... just go to cineinkorea.com hahaha (Not you, I mean theman3285)
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: tylerthegloob on February 07, 2020, 03:15:07 pm
It's playing at Wangsimni on Monday with no subs.

It;s playing at Emu Cinema near Seodaemun WITH SUBS ................... ... just go to cineinkorea.com hahaha (Not you, I mean theman3285)


dope website rec. thanks co2:)
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: CO2 on February 07, 2020, 03:24:20 pm
dope website rec. thanks co2:)

No sweat.

It's a good resource for art cinemas.

I go to CGV for 90% of my films, they have the Arthouse series at many locations and they are the only chain with IMAX rights. CGV has ticketing in English and you just need your card to pay, no certs. :)

I'll use cineinkorea for Emu Cinema/Geondae Cinematheque and Seoul Cinematheque. They use Yes24 and Max Movie for ticketing and the websites are a nightmare of classic, Korean online transactions. Guy at Cineinkorea charges 1500 on top of the ticket price and texts you a code to show the box office when you go to the cinema.
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: Mezoti97 on February 07, 2020, 04:36:38 pm
But does it have subs?  I called Olleh TV to ask if they offer Korean movies with English subtitles and they said Nah.  I looked on google play and youtube and they offer no English subs as of now.  Ugh I'm thinking of torrenting it.  I would like to see it before I leave.

Yeah, she said yesterday that it does have English subtitles. Another Korean friend of mine also told me a few days ago that there's a small indie theater (not a mainstream movie theater like CGV) near his home that is also showing it with English subtitles, but I don't know where that theater is.
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: CO2 on February 07, 2020, 04:55:28 pm
Yeah, she said yesterday that it does have English subtitles. Another Korean friend of mine also told me a few days ago that there's a small indie theater (not a mainstream movie theater like CGV) near his home that is also showing it with English subtitles, but I don't know where that theater is.
It ain't a CGV then.

This is where the indie place is: (pic attached)
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: Piggydee on February 10, 2020, 07:28:14 am
Little update on my situation:   Called my landlord,  they didn't answer.  Texted messaged them on Friday morning and then mid morning got a call from some number not on my phone.  It was a guy.  My co-worker told him my situation and he ask for my door code.  By the time I came home my room felt warm on the floor and the present temp went from 14 to 17.  Ran the boiler for the rest of the night and the temp FINALLY IN A LONG TIME MATCH THE "hope temp 희망" in the room.  Now my room is too hot  :laugh:  Landlord never told me anything, boiler man never told me anything.  So I'm just going to assume it was fixed by my apartment no questions asked. 
Title: Re: Is This True or Just Paranoid LandLord?
Post by: Mezoti97 on February 10, 2020, 07:33:14 am
It ain't a CGV then.

This is where the indie place is: (pic attached)

I said a Korean co-worker friend told me that the CGV near 혜화 station is playing "Parasite" with English subtitles, and that another Korean friend told me that an indie theater near where he lives is also playing "Parasite" with English subtitles -- I never said the latter was a CGV.

Another Korean friend of mine also told me a few days ago that there's a small indie theater (not a mainstream movie theater like CGV) near his home that is also showing it with English subtitles, but I don't know where that theater is.