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Title: What the Book in Seoul Closed
Post by: NorthStar on December 30, 2019, 06:55:51 pm
I go all tbe way to Seoul...find out What the Book is closed

Garsh Darnit!!!!

Does anyone know why?


FFS....Seoul Pub is gone, Taco Bell is gone, Quiznos is gone.....and now WTB is gone.

Title: Re: WTF, WTB?!?!
Post by: MayorHaggar on December 30, 2019, 07:10:58 pm
https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2019/10/177_276780.html

I've heard some interesting rumors over the years about the owner being a cop in Texas or something.
Title: Re: WTF, WTB?!?!
Post by: Titus Groan on December 30, 2019, 07:43:50 pm
https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2019/10/177_276780.html

I've heard some interesting rumors over the years about the owner being a cop in Texas or something.

Actually, he is/was a cop in FLORIDA!
Title: Re: WTF, WTB?!?!
Post by: VanIslander on December 30, 2019, 08:05:29 pm
But... but... what will happen with all those books?

The story refers to books seen through the window.

Gawd, I'd stand in line for a blowout sale.
Title: Re: WTF, WTB?!?!
Post by: NorthStar on December 30, 2019, 10:34:00 pm
But... but... what will happen with all those books?

The story refers to books seen through the window.

Gawd, I'd stand in line for a blowout sale.

I really had no idea it closed.

I got up to the second floor via the elevator (knee hurts, due to running on treadmill) and was greeted with the welcoming sign, which states their hours of operation...but nothing was open.  I thought perhaps it was simply closed to due the holidays or construction purposes. 

Phuck....a few good books would have been a nice flavor.  Now, I'm stuck with phucking Kyobo.
Title: Re: WTF, WTB?!?!
Post by: MayorHaggar on December 31, 2019, 06:32:22 am
TBH this is pretty typical of life in Korea. Go to some excellent store or restaurant day in and day out, it's packed and prosperous, then one day it just disappears overnight with no explanation. So many good restaurants in Korea did this to me. RIP pizza place in Daegu that had Birra Morretti Doppio Malto and really good pizza for like 8000 won.


https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2019/10/177_276780.html

I've heard some interesting rumors over the years about the owner being a cop in Texas or something.

Actually, he is/was a cop in FLORIDA!

It was Florida Man all along!
Title: Re: WTF, WTB?!?!
Post by: lhelena on December 31, 2019, 08:11:50 am
If you're able to get to Cheonan there is a really cool used bookstore near the Shinsegae. It's under some Australian pub if I remember correctly. I'll get the name from my friend and post it later if anyone is interested.
Title: Re: WTF, WTB?!?!
Post by: CO2 on December 31, 2019, 08:12:38 am
If you're able to get to Cheonan there is a really cool used bookstore near the Shinsegae. It's under some Australian pub if I remember correctly. I'll get the name from my friend and post it later if anyone is interested.

Aladdin?

EDIT: I was looking for places there and I found.............. . Ebony Bookstore?? Is that what you mean? I'll go there soon.
Title: Re: WTF, WTB?!?!
Post by: lhelena on December 31, 2019, 08:16:24 am
If you're able to get to Cheonan there is a really cool used bookstore near the Shinsegae. It's under some Australian pub if I remember correctly. I'll get the name from my friend and post it later if anyone is interested.


Aladdin?

No, this one is pretty much only English books. It's on the  Shinsegae side and down a ways from Aladdin I think.
Title: Re: WTF, WTB?!?!
Post by: lhelena on December 31, 2019, 08:17:04 am
It's called Ebony and Ivory!
Title: Re: WTF, WTB?!?!
Post by: CO2 on December 31, 2019, 08:18:29 am
No, this one is pretty much only English books. It's on the  Shinsegae side and down a ways from Aladdin I think.

I was looking for places there and I found.............. . Ebony Bookstore?? Is that what you mean? I'll go there soon.
Title: Re: WTF, WTB?!?!
Post by: lhelena on December 31, 2019, 08:20:30 am
Yeah that's it. They may have altered their name since the last time I went. It's in the basement of the building under an Aussie pub (if it's still there). They have tons of books, some almost brand new.
Title: Re: WTF, WTB?!?!
Post by: robin_teacher on December 31, 2019, 08:37:21 am
If you're happy shopping online I recommend bookdepository.com. Free delivery worldwide, it can be slow but I've always received my orders.
Title: Re: WTF, WTB?!?!
Post by: NorthStar on December 31, 2019, 08:38:05 am
If you're happy shopping online I recommend bookdepository.com. Free delivery worldwide, it can be slow but I've always received my orders.

NICE...thanks for the tip.
Title: Re: WTF, WTB?!?!
Post by: annataleen on December 31, 2019, 08:42:34 am
I saw posts on Facebook a couple of months ago about WTB being closed. No one seems to know why or what happened to the books. They didn't announce they were closing either.  :-[
Title: Re: WTF, WTB?!?!
Post by: oglop on December 31, 2019, 12:02:07 pm
i recommend just buying an ebook. best thing i've ever bought
Title: Re: WTF, WTB?!?!
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 31, 2019, 12:46:18 pm
Are people seriously shocked and angry that a brick and mortar store, competing with an instant delivery digital platform, as well as that platform's global shipping, as well as a domestic delivery company, located in a high-rent district, catering to a niche market, went out of business?

Title: Re: WTF, WTB?!?!
Post by: nightninja on December 31, 2019, 12:53:37 pm
I go all tbe way to Seoul...find out What the Book is closed

Garsh Darnit!!!!

Does anyone know why?


FFS....Seoul Pub is gone, Taco Bell is gone, Quiznos is gone.....and now WTB is gone.



I do miss Taco Bell....and it seemed like they were always busy at the locations I went to
Title: Re: WTF, WTB?!?!
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 31, 2019, 01:38:04 pm
I do miss Taco Bell....and it seemed like they were always busy at the locations I went to
I think the Jonggak-Gwanghwamun one is open.
Title: Re: WTF, WTB?!?!
Post by: OnNut81 on December 31, 2019, 01:39:55 pm
Got a lot of use from WTB over the years at all three locations but since I got an ipad a couple of years ago I just go the e-book route, although I do missing browsing a bookstore. 

Also, in Itaewon yesterday I noticed Boots and Canucks are gone. 

How many Taco Bells are left?  They didn't seem to last long but I went to one at an outlet mall last week.  They can't all be gone. 
Title: Re: WTF, WTB?!?!
Post by: nightninja on December 31, 2019, 01:45:22 pm
I have noticed at least 3 that I used to occasionally visit are gone....I live out on the east coast, so visits were rare anyway.....I thought Taco Bell was doing pretty well but they are closing quickly. I wouldn't think Quiznos would survive over Taco Bell, but it seems to be. Bookstores and beauty stores are closing thanks to Olive Young and online shopping, as well as many of the sports brands Eider, Blackyak etc at least out in Gangwondo.
Title: Re: WTF, WTB?!?!
Post by: oglop on December 31, 2019, 02:05:59 pm
Are people seriously shocked and angry that a brick and mortar store, competing with an instant delivery digital platform, as well as that platform's global shipping, as well as a domestic delivery company, located in a high-rent district, catering to a niche market, went out of business?


no, but they did recently move locations (i'm guessing because of high rent), so it's unsurprising people are shocked that they closed down so soon after moving
Title: Re: WTF, WTB?!?!
Post by: MayorHaggar on December 31, 2019, 02:07:39 pm
Having an ebook in Korea is great because you're cut off from English-language libraries. You get books in seconds and for cheaper than buying actual books. Very useful if you're in a city without English bookstores. Bookdepository is pretty legit though.
Title: Re: WTF, WTB?!?!
Post by: OnNut81 on December 31, 2019, 02:09:20 pm
There is still (I think) that old guy who has the cramped, crowded with used books place right by Nosapyeong station.  Just a tad down from the Nos. 2 & 3 bus stop. 
Title: Re: WTF, WTB?!?!
Post by: NorthStar on December 31, 2019, 03:34:49 pm
I'm going to go with the online option.  I checked it out and it works for me. 

Yes, I have considered e-books but...I just prefer an actual book in which I can turn the pages.
Title: Re: WTF, WTB?!?!
Post by: stoat on December 31, 2019, 03:50:23 pm
There is still (I think) that old guy who has the cramped, crowded with used books place right by Nosapyeong station.  Just a tad down from the Nos. 2 & 3 bus stop. 

That old guy has a better selection of books than the whole of wTB IMO. I always come out of there with two or three purchases.
Title: Re: WTF, WTB?!?!
Post by: oglop on December 31, 2019, 04:58:46 pm
yeah that place is great, i agree
Title: Re: What the Book in Seoul Closed
Post by: SPQR on January 01, 2020, 02:03:50 pm
I'm sure glad someone changed the name of this thread from: "Re: WTF, WTB?!?!"

to: "What the Book in Seoul Closed"

I was really confused.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: What the Book in Seoul Closed
Post by: NorthStar on January 01, 2020, 02:11:28 pm
I'm sure glad someone changed the name of this thread from: "Re: WTF, WTB?!?!"

to: "What the Book in Seoul Closed"

I was really confused.  :rolleyes:

...wasn't me.  I guess big brother moderator thought it was tinder box of confusion. 
Title: Re: What the Book in Seoul Closed
Post by: Cyanea on January 01, 2020, 03:43:39 pm
There is still (I think) that old guy who has the cramped, crowded with used books place right by Nosapyeong station.  Just a tad down from the Nos. 2 & 3 bus stop. 

That old guy has a better selection of books than the whole of wTB IMO. I always come out of there with two or three purchases.

Yeah I like that store.

He did once complain that business is slowing because fewer people buy books nowadays. For various reasons.

I have considered e-books but...I just prefer an actual book in which I can turn the pages.

Me too. Partly also because printed paper is not harmful to the eye.

i recommend just buying an ebook. best thing i've ever bought

I wouldn't be so sure about that.


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Is Your eReader Damaging Your Eyesight?
https://www.thebestofhealth.co.uk/health-tech/the-joy-of-reading-is-your-ereader-damaging-your-eyesight/


Title: Re: What the Book in Seoul Closed
Post by: oglop on January 01, 2020, 03:55:03 pm
That's the worst article I've ever read. Also ebooks are exactly the same as reading a normal book, which is exactly what it states at the end of the article anyway:

"However, at this stage, it seems that they offer no more threat to your eyesight than traditional books, and that itís just a matter of remaining sensible whilst using one."

If you're reading on an ipad, it's gonna cause eye strain. But Ebooks just use "liquid ink" or whatever they call it. It's exactly the same thing as reading a paperback. Plus the kindles use front lighting not back lighting, so if you're reading on the dark it's not gonna hurt your eyes
Title: Re: What the Book in Seoul Closed
Post by: Cyanea on January 01, 2020, 06:05:58 pm
best thing i've ever bought

That's the worst article I've ever read.


 If those two things are the most momentous events of your life then you don't appear to have much life experience, lol.

Of course they are going to try and say that E-readers are not harmful. The media has basically become a propaganda ministry for companies and corporations. Of course they are going to try and protect the massive burgeoning E-reader industry and supress studies that show the opposite. Don't be so naive.

The fact is these devices emit blue light.

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All kinds of devices emit blue light, such as computer screens, cell-phones, smartwatches, tablets and yes, even e-readers like the Kindle.
Artificial blue light such as this causes our eyes to strain, can give us headaches, even causes macular degeneration and can damage our eyes over time. Blue light exposure has also been linked to certain kinds of cancer, heart disease, diabetes, depression and more.

Besides eye strain, the other most common issue with blue light is how it affects our sleep. Exposure to blue light in the hours before bed inhibits our bodies ability to produce melatonin and affects our circadian rhythm, reducing the quality and quantity of our sleep.
https://emfacademy.com/kindle-blue-light/ (https://emfacademy.com/kindle-blue-light/)

By contrast the printed paper books are proven to be better for you, in many ways:

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Researchers have been examining the differences between reading regular books and e-books for years. Many of the studies have shown that reading old-fashioned books has plenty of advantages over e-books, which can be gateways to other electronic distractions, all of which screw with your sleep. This is why you should ditch the screen for printed pages.
https://www.medicaldaily.com/e-books-are-damaging-your-health-why-we-should-all-start-reading-paper-books-again-317212 (https://www.medicaldaily.com/e-books-are-damaging-your-health-why-we-should-all-start-reading-paper-books-again-317212)
Title: Re: What the Book in Seoul Closed
Post by: oglop on January 01, 2020, 06:36:06 pm
well yes if you are constantly reading in the dark and have the kindle's lighting feature on, sure. but i'm sure almost every person who uses an e-book reads during the day or under a light, and don't use the kindle's lighting feature. if you're reading a paper book under dim light you're gonna strain your eyes too
Title: Re: What the Book in Seoul Closed
Post by: Cyanea on January 01, 2020, 09:47:10 pm

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A 2014 study found that readers who used Kindles were less competent in recalling the plot and events in the book than those who used paperbacks. Researchers still arenít quite sure why this occurs, but it might have something to do with being able to physically and visually track your progress in a real book.

ďIn this study, we found that paper readers did report higher on measures having to do with empathy and transportation and immersion, and narrative coherence, than iPad readers,Ē said Anne Mangen of Stavanger University in Norway, an author of the study, according to The Guardian.

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A recent study out of Harvard University found that reading an e-book before bed lessened the production of an important sleep hormone known as melatonin. As a result, people took much longer to fall asleep, experienced less deep sleep, and were more fatigued in the morning.

Reading an old-fashioned paper book might seem out of style, wasteful, or impractical. But donít underestimate the simplicity of holding a physical book in your hands, flipping through the pages, and not having anything else to shift your focus to. Commit to the classic paper book and you'll get the full, healthier experience.
Title: Re: What the Book in Seoul Closed
Post by: NorthStar on January 01, 2020, 09:48:33 pm
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Reading an old-fashioned paper book might seem out of style, wasteful, or impractical. But donít underestimate the simplicity of holding a physical book in your hands, flipping through the pages, and not having anything else to shift your focus to. Commit to the classic paper book and you'll get the full, healthier experience.
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I agree.
Title: Re: What the Book in Seoul Closed
Post by: oglop on January 01, 2020, 10:12:24 pm

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A 2014 study found that readers who used Kindles were less competent in recalling the plot and events in the book than those who used paperbacks. Researchers still arenít quite sure why this occurs, but it might have something to do with being able to physically and visually track your progress in a real book.

ďIn this study, we found that paper readers did report higher on measures having to do with empathy and transportation and immersion, and narrative coherence, than iPad readers,Ē said Anne Mangen of Stavanger University in Norway, an author of the study, according to The Guardian.

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A recent study out of Harvard University found that reading an e-book before bed lessened the production of an important sleep hormone known as melatonin. As a result, people took much longer to fall asleep, experienced less deep sleep, and were more fatigued in the morning.

Reading an old-fashioned paper book might seem out of style, wasteful, or impractical. But donít underestimate the simplicity of holding a physical book in your hands, flipping through the pages, and not having anything else to shift your focus to. Commit to the classic paper book and you'll get the full, healthier experience.
mate, have you actually ever used a kindle? reading an ebook with e-ink is literally the exact same thing as reading a paper book
Title: Re: What the Book in Seoul Closed
Post by: Cyanea on January 01, 2020, 10:27:10 pm
That old guy has a better selection of books than the whole of wTB IMO. I always come out of there with two or three purchases.

have you tried Aladdin or Yes24?

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The two book stores also buy used books. It is a good news for you when you need to sell your old book due to moving or housecleaning. The sad thing is that they wonít buy the old book at a good price. An old book is priced depending on the condition of the book.
http://seoulinsidersguide.com/usedbookstore/ (http://seoulinsidersguide.com/usedbookstore/)

How about the Book repository. Do they buy 2nd hand english books?

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2019/09/281_266856.html (http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2019/09/281_266856.html)

Title: Re: What the Book in Seoul Closed
Post by: gogators! on January 01, 2020, 11:06:46 pm
i recommend just buying an ebook. best thing i've ever bought
+1
A Kindle IMO is the way to go in Korea. Bookstore choices are limited, unless you order, and usually overpriced.

WTB became over time IMO a big ripoff as far as buying and selling used books. The old guy down the street made fairer deals, but even he started to give less for used books. That bookstore might still be there.

If you have a current library card from your hometown in the US, you can probably check out e-books.
Title: Re: What the Book in Seoul Closed
Post by: MayorHaggar on January 02, 2020, 08:12:30 am
I used to hate the idea of using an ereader and resisted it for years, but the expense and difficulty of buying paper books in Korea finally pushed me to get a Kindle. It's so much more convenient.
Title: Re: What the Book in Seoul Closed
Post by: CO2 on January 02, 2020, 08:24:39 am
ihelena:

I went to Ebony and Ivory in Cheonan yesterday! Man, that is such a bizarre place for a store like that. The sheer numebr of books, and ONLY in English in.......... Cheonan???? Pretty blown away. My gf was talking to a woman there who came from Daejeon to come to the store, specifically. It's not super far but still, it's a fair distance to come.

Pretty impressed. I'll have to go back soon and do a thorough scour of the place. 
Title: Re: What the Book in Seoul Closed
Post by: lhelena on January 02, 2020, 10:24:29 am
ihelena:

I went to Ebony and Ivory in Cheonan yesterday! Man, that is such a bizarre place for a store like that. The sheer numebr of books, and ONLY in English in.......... Cheonan???? Pretty blown away. My gf was talking to a woman there who came from Daejeon to come to the store, specifically. It's not super far but still, it's a fair distance to come.

Pretty impressed. I'll have to go back soon and do a thorough scour of the place. 

I'm glad you liked it! It's really the kind of tiny, crowded used bookstore I'd expect from back home. I think that's why I liked it so much. I was surprised they even have kids books! When I've gone to Kyobo or others I've never been able to find easy readers or little chapter books in English.
Title: Re: What the Book in Seoul Closed
Post by: CO2 on January 02, 2020, 10:35:21 am
It's really the kind of tiny, crowded used bookstore I'd expect from back home.

Perfectly put. Bang on!
Title: Re: What the Book in Seoul Closed
Post by: CO2 on January 02, 2020, 11:00:32 am
have you tried Aladdin or Yes24?

Aladdin is great and they're EVERYWHERE.
Title: Re: What the Book in Seoul Closed
Post by: Cyanea on January 03, 2020, 02:53:01 am
have you tried Aladdin or Yes24?

Aladdin is great and they're EVERYWHERE.

Have you sold them used books before?
Title: Re: What the Book in Seoul Closed
Post by: CO2 on January 03, 2020, 07:36:34 am
Have you sold them used books before?

All the time. CDs and Blu-Rays, too. If its recent and in good condition, they'll pay out pretty well.

And it's cash in hand, too.