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Title: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Piggydee on November 20, 2019, 09:51:41 am
I've been here for a total of 10 years and I'm debating wither to stay or go.

I wanted to make next year my last year (2020-2021) because
-I wanted to see my current 5th graders graduate from school. (They will be 6th graders next year and I'm the only teacher they have had since 1st grade)
-I wanted to get more pension money
-I wanted to get more severance.
-I have two more countries I want to go to while I'm here and making great cash.  Once in America and back in  a hometown I'm from, I don't see myself traveling anytime soon.

I realize I can't stay in Korea forever because renewing my visa every year is becoming a pain, I'm getting older, and I'm not married to anyone here in his country so there is no reason for me to plant roots here. 

Unlike a few foreigners I've ran into, I love my time here in Korea (a little too much; I guess I tick off one of the boxes on that hakwon blacklist of teacher "here for fun" teacher  :P)   

I don't know I'm sort of leaning towards leaving this February because
-I think my lower level student 4th and 3rd grade at my main are sick of me.
-My travel school the 6th graders every year turn terrible. (but I only see them once a week)
-My travel school will get a new co-teacher and I don't know if we will have a good working relationship like I have with my current co-teacher.

If you were in my pants LOL j/k what would you do.  Asking the for the sage advice of the Waygook community because you guys have given me good travel tidbits.  Might as well ask about this here. 
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Mister Tim on November 20, 2019, 09:53:51 am
If you have a job to go back to, go.
If you don't, don't.
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: TexasChicken on November 20, 2019, 09:58:50 am
If you go there will be trouble....
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: L I on November 20, 2019, 10:04:39 am
And if you stay it will be double...
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Ronnie Omelettes on November 20, 2019, 10:13:59 am
If you have a job to go back to, go.
If you don't, don't.

This is very important. 

By the sounds of it, you're umming and ahhing, which means that you may have already decided that you fancy another year.  Leaving more financially sound is definitely a big plus, especially if work is not lined up.  Doing your travelling here is also a really good thing as it depends whether you can see yourself coming back over this way for a holiday in the future when you're living on the other side of the world.  It's very possible, you don't for whatever reason.

Your situation is similar to me.  It's comfortable here.  Attached to the students.  Daily Korean life is fine, nothing springs up that really throws you off your stride.  For me anyway, as I have a high school job, I have one of those jobs that once you leave are very difficult to get back into due to their rarity.  Love my school, teachers and students.  It's tiring, but I get the feeling that the school really appreciates my work.  In the end, it'll either be this February or next and then that's it.   
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: thunderlips on November 20, 2019, 10:17:02 am
Finish up and start a new chapter. Keep in mind now would be a great time if you ever wanted to live somewhere for a bit and check it out (ie Hawaii). You can always come back to Korea or take your experience and go someplace new.

Good luck and don't stress about not having a job lined up, it takes time to reenter society.

Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Piggydee on November 20, 2019, 11:04:58 am
Finish up and start a new chapter. Keep in mind now would be a great time if you ever wanted to live somewhere for a bit and check it out (ie Hawaii). You can always come back to Korea or take your experience and go someplace new.

Good luck and don't stress about not having a job lined up, it takes time to reenter society.



Actually....about the job thing.  I already have an online gig set up but it's very "secret shopper" money as of now (aka a few bucks to buy you a meal) but  I've been told that if I throw myself deep into it I will make a livable wage.   
As far as coming back to Korea, I'm too long in the tooth at this point to come back very late in my age.  Believe me I've seen how Korean treat older foreign women living here (over 40) and we are seen as strange.  I don't want to feel like that here. 

There is all the severance and pension money I could get now but I'm not trying to blow through that.

You are right Ronnie Omelettes, I do want to stay one more year!  But my mother is 63 and I'm also in a long distance relationship that is slowly being tested the longer I stay here. 
I already told my co-teacher I'm THINKING of leaving and she gave me the form to sign, but I also told her I'm still thinking about it.  She gave me till the end of this month to make a strong decision.   
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: alexisalex on November 20, 2019, 11:10:21 am
I would go because it will always be "oh, just one more year".

Don't worry about not having a job lined up when you go home because honestly, what are the chances of that?  As Thunderlips says above, it will take time to get back into the swing of things in your home country.

I think about it like this...it was a huge leap to quit my job back home and come to Korea and I'm so happy I did it.  But it works in reverse too.  Once you get comfortable here after a lot of years, the leap back will be just as big and requires some courage (if not more).   But I'm sure you'll be happy that you did it.
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Piggydee on November 20, 2019, 11:16:49 am
I would go because it will always be "oh, just one more year".

Don't worry about not having a job lined up when you go home because honestly, what are the chances of that?  As Thunderlips says above, it will take time to get back into the swing of things in your home country.

I think about it like this...it was a huge leap to quit my job back home and come to Korea and I'm so happy I did it.  But it works in reverse too.  Once you get comfortable here after a lot of years, the leap back will be just as big and requires some courage (if not more).   But I'm sure you'll be happy that you did it.

AlexisAlex, thanks for the advice.  Back on the age thing,  if I was a man I think it would be no problem for me to find another lover here if I were to break up with mine.  But as a older woman (mid 30s) who's no longer "fighting weight" LOL.  Let's just say I've eaten my way out of the dating pool.  Sure I could lose weight but finding a local or foreigner here would be very tough and the road might be long as most Korean men my age either are married, want someone young and thin, and also want someone blonde (or black or Southeast Asian) and the foreign guy community either see me as a buddy ol' pal or a gateway to a greencard.  The dating scene would be really depressing here if I stayed for a longer haul. 

Oh but ONE MORE YEAR THOUGH....I don't want to give my kids away to some noob LOL
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: stoat on November 20, 2019, 12:09:39 pm
The best advice anyone could give you now is get in shape. Reading between the lines you're thinking about a long term relationship and this would massively open up the dating field. Not being sexist or cruel, i'd say the same to an overweight guy in the same situation. If you still don't think you'll find a decent partner here, move somewhere with more possibilities. This sounds like the most pressing issue in your life at the moment so act to sort it out.
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: buckybee on November 20, 2019, 12:32:33 pm
First: The students will have to face a new teacher eventually. No reason not to start in the 6th grade. And your younger grades are probably not tired of you, maybe they just need a change of activities.

Second:  Think about if you would feel like you have missed out on good opportunities if you leave or stay.
Third: Family is important and so are relationships. If spending more time with your mother is a priority, go to her. If your relationship is important enough to leave Korea, than go.

Fourth: I've seen many of overweight not blonde women dating a Korean man. Sorry, to generalize here, but straight men like women in all shaped and sizes. There is always someone out there. If you feel like your only dating the dude back home because your of age to marry and your worried you won't find someone else, how much of a valuable life will you be giving your future self.

Fifth: I don't know anything about you but from what your wrote, you enjoy Korea, you like your students, you enjoy your day to day life, but living here is taking a toll on your relationships. The importance of the relationship to your family and SO will have to be the deciding factor, in my opinion of course.
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: leaponover on November 20, 2019, 12:36:37 pm
Seems like all your questions are centered around Korea for leaving, when really they should be centered around where you are going.  That's the determining factor.    I wouldn't count on "I made $2,632 a week working from home.  Click on this link to see how I did it!" nonsense.
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Aristocrat on November 20, 2019, 12:55:40 pm
I would go because it will always be "oh, just one more year".

Don't worry about not having a job lined up when you go home because honestly, what are the chances of that?  As Thunderlips says above, it will take time to get back into the swing of things in your home country.

I think about it like this...it was a huge leap to quit my job back home and come to Korea and I'm so happy I did it.  But it works in reverse too.  Once you get comfortable here after a lot of years, the leap back will be just as big and requires some courage (if not more).   But I'm sure you'll be happy that you did it.

AlexisAlex, thanks for the advice.  Back on the age thing,  if I was a man I think it would be no problem for me to find another lover here if I were to break up with mine.  But as a older woman (mid 30s) who's no longer "fighting weight" LOL.  Let's just say I've eaten my way out of the dating pool.  Sure I could lose weight but finding a local or foreigner here would be very tough and the road might be long as most Korean men my age either are married, want someone young and thin, and also want someone blonde (or black or Southeast Asian) and the foreign guy community either see me as a buddy ol' pal or a gateway to a greencard.  The dating scene would be really depressing here if I stayed for a longer haul. 

Oh but ONE MORE YEAR THOUGH....I don't want to give my kids away to some noob LOL

Let's address the weight issue first. As a guy who's daily highlight, for the past 5yrs, has been going to the track or gym, I'd put my money on you reaching any fitness goal you set your mind to. 99% of the time, the obstacles for fat loss or in the mind.
You've addressed that you have a problem and that's the biggest hurdle. Next, you need the confidence to follow through; I'm not talking about hugs and lame support groups, I'm talking about doing research and understanding the cold, hard fact that following the correct plan will turn a fitness dream into an inevitability... then it's just a matter of ENJOYING the journey to your goals.

Aim for self improvement, not self acceptance.

Should you stay in Korea?

- While the money is great, Korea stagnats your professional development (this is the trap). The longer you stay, the more intimidating and difficult it might be to enter the workforce again.

- Financially, I wouldn't leave until:

(minimum)
- I could afford a 20% deposit on a decent place
- I could pay the rent/mortgage for a year
- I could support myself for a year

(ideal)
- I could afford a 50% deposit or buy a place
- I could pay the rent/mortgage for a year
- I could support myself for a year
- I had a job or plan to get a job waiting

- Enjoy your students and have fun with them, but DO NOT form emotional attachments. These aren't your "kids" they're your
  students. Keep the relationship pleasant and professional, same goes for your co-workers.

- If you're keen on marriage and kids, you should go. Aside from the companionship and satisfaction of raising a family,
  2 paychecks are a hell of a lot better than one, particularly if owning a house and living off a retirement fund are of interest to
  you. Having kids after your mid 30s, particularly if you're overweight, is pretty damn risky. Get healthy and fit to save yourself
  the fun of birth complications, medical issues and medical bills.
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Piggydee on November 20, 2019, 01:11:06 pm
Great advice guys!  I've got next week to make the big D!  I will let you guys know if I take the plunge or not. 
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: CO2 on November 20, 2019, 01:11:46 pm
Great advice guys!  I've got next week to make the big D!  I will let you guys know if I take the plunge or not. 

Plunge that Big D, Piggydee!
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Datasapien on November 20, 2019, 01:30:22 pm
Good luck Dee, I'm thinking of making similar moves too, can't do EPIK forever. If only Koreans were having more kids, at the current rate there'll be more teachers than students in a few years :(
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: VanIslander on November 20, 2019, 05:31:04 pm
You can't lose either way.

Leave sooner and you avoid potential misery with new korean teacher and younger classes that don't behave well.

Leave later and you get the extra money, can visit the two countries you still want to visit and see your 5th grade students graduate.

I would personally choose the later because i have had the joy and fond memory of teaching a class from kindy to first year middle school, through their entire elementary school years and it was a cool thing to do. I'll never forget that class. (Also, i have been here 17 years and still have Malaysia and Hokkaido on my list of East Asian places to visit.)



Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Cohort 2019 on November 20, 2019, 05:39:11 pm
Sounds like you want to stay.
But if you run off, come and marry me! I like all type of women! ;D

Also, your kids are of course very cute and all, but you are just a teacher or as my trainer once put it when I didn't want to punish students who were misbehaving, fearing the backlash on 'our' relationship: "You are just a teacher to them." After this hour they leave and meet another teacher and so on. As far as I am concerned, it is nice to have a great bunch of kids and seeing them progress but I have missed out on many graduations myself and no harm done really.
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Mr C on November 20, 2019, 10:12:58 pm
I'm going to agree with those who say don't put much weight into the "staying for the students" argument.  They'll survive, and hopefully their next NSET will get them to send you some cards.  SMOE moved me to a new school and even big sixth grade boys actually cried at the farewell from my old school, but they're fine now, I'm sure. (I arranged to go to their graduation, and it was a nice closure.) (Here's how old I am: back home, I actually taught children of students I had taught!)

But, I think your desire to travel to those two more countries should carry a LOT of weight in your deliberations, because once you leave immediate access to ICN, your chances for such travel will become much smaller.  I didn't realize it so much when I came, but the ease of travel is a big factor in the quality of life our jobs provide.  While I (and I think you) really enjoy living here, traveling takes it to the next level.

Visa? Sure, it gets more annoying year on year, but you scrounge up the paperwork, visit the hospital for an hour, then trek to Immi (all on company time), and you're set for another year.  Whatevs.

Before making the move back home, you might consider a year or two living in another Asian country on the flight path.  If you take your severance and pension in cash after 10 years, you've got quite a kitty, and only a few thousand bucks can get you well set up for a stint in, say, Vietnam.   

I did not come to Korea until I had a chopped contract in my hands and a paid plane ticket.  While those are ideal, I don't think a guaranteed job back home is absolutely necessary.  OTOH, you need a realistic plan, and I kind of agree with leaponover.  And by the way, mid-thirties is far from ageing out--I came here at 46 and I have two female friends hired by SMOE around the same age.

Anyway, good luck, and keep us updated.
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: dippedinblush on November 20, 2019, 11:09:18 pm
Stay

It seems you have unfinished business.  Get your mind clear during this year and travel. save save save.  Get more healthy.  (Sprout Seoul) Then go home.

You will not regret staying.  Its just one year.
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Cohort 2019 on November 21, 2019, 01:30:16 am
...and then another and yet another ..go while you still enjoy it in Korea, imagine being stuck out there while wishing desperately to be back home ...
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: annataleen on November 21, 2019, 02:54:52 pm
PiggyDee, I am going through something similar so I want to share my story with you, maybe it will give you something to think about?

For context: I have lived in East Asia for over 11 years; almost 6 in Japan and 5 1/2 here. This is about when I was thinking about leaving Japan to move to Korea.

I really enjoyed my time in Japan, but after a few years I started thinking about leaving. Many of my friends had come and gone. I had started Japan in the JET Programme and after three years years, I moved on to private schools (not eikaiwa, just private schools). After JET and two private schools, I was ready to move on. I had March of 2013 off and I went home. It was the longest I had been home since moving to Japan and I used that time to think about what I wanted to do. I decided that I wanted to try to go to Korea because I wasn't ready to leave Asia and I knew I could probably save a little bit more money there than in Japan. In Japan a person can only get three years of pension back, there isn't severance and most positions don't provide accommodation, so while I understand that it is getting harder to save money working in Korea, for me it is easier than in Japan!

The school year starts in April in Japan and I went back thinking that I would teach the first semester and then break my contract and try to get into EPIK for the summer intake. I didn't really want to break my contract, but since the school year start at different times in both countries, I figured it would be better quitting and leaving during a break than in the middle of winter when Japanese students are still in class. While I was home I got my paperwork in order and when I came back to Japan I started applying.

I got into EPIK, but as summer approached I wasn't getting any other information from my recruiter. If I remember correctly, I knew the city I was supposed to go to, but nothing was being sent to me to go get my visa, and the recruiter wasn't giving me the go-ahead to buy the airline ticket. It got to the point that I had to decline the offer because I wanted to give the school at least one month notice so they could hire a new teacher to start from the second term. My recruiter acted like she didn't know what was going on, but we all know how they can be.  :lipsrsealed:

I decided that I was going to finish out my contract. Luckily, there were some EPIK positions that hired outside of the main winter intake, so I think I lined one of those up near the end of my contract (March 2014). I stayed an extra month in Japan so I could get out of my apartment and say good-bye to my friends. I came to Korea in late April of 2014. From the time I decided I wanted to move here until when I actually did move here was one year and one month.

In the end, things seemed to fall in place where it ended up being much better that I left in the spring than in the summer. My position ended up changing from full-time to part-time, so whomever the school would have hired in the summer had I left, wouldn't have been able to continue on the next year with a full-time contract. (With the declining population, many positions were changing from full-time to part-time. This is happening to Japanese teachers as well.) At that job if I didn't have class, I didn't have to come in. I usually didn't have to come in much in March, so for a minute I looked into breaking my contract a month early and coming to Korea. But it turns out if you do that, EPIK wants a letter the school's principal saying it is ok the teacher is breaking their contract. The recruiter I used in the summer didn't tell me that! There is no way I would have gotten that letter in the summer! I am not even sure I would have gotten it leaving a month early.

Looking back, I am glad I had a full year to prepare to leave Japan. I wish that would have been my original in the first place. It would have saved me a lot of time and anxiety. Plus, I had a blast during my last year in Japan! Honestly, the only bad part of that year was going back and forth about when I should leave Korea.  :P

Now I am in the same position as you because I am starting to think it is time to go. Some of my reasons are similar to yours as well.  :smiley: As my contract starts in late April, I have some more time to think about it than you. I know for sure that I will do one more contract; what I need to decide is if it will be my last contract. I definitely want a full-year to prepare before I go.

I understand some of your concerns. I would like to meet someone too! But then I think, in 11 years over here, I have had friends of all shapes and sizes from all over the world meet their partner. I believe that it that will happen for you no matter where you are in the world. But you said there is a long distance thing with someone. In that case, if you stay another year you should assure them it is the last year so they don't run away!

I don't necessarily think that you need to have a job lined up when you go back, and honestly, most employers probably won't contact you until you are back. I had a friend who was leaving Japan at the same time as I did to go back to the US. He applied to many places and never heard anything back. It wasn't until he went to the US for a couple of weeks during the winter (just a couple of months before he was to leave Japan!), and visited friends and family in different cities (he was checking out different cities to see where he wanted to live), that anyone contacted him. He put on his cover letters (or maybe emails?) "I will be in this city during these days if you are interested in an interview ... " It worked. I do think you should think about what kind of money you want to leave Korea with. What will your start-up costs be. I would plan on being unemployed for at least three to six months. I hope that doesn't happen for you! But at least plan for that just in case. If that really worries you, you could also do some online teaching through VIP Kid or something. I am going to consider that when I go!

Also think about what do you want to do before you go? Do you have a bucket list? If you believe you have enough money and don't have a bucket list, then maybe it is time for you to go. From your post, it seems like you do want to stay. So maybe you should give it one more year and have it be your last year.

Please let us know what you decide.

I know this is too long and I am sorry for anyone trying to read this, but there is one last thing I want to tell you. From 11 years in Asia and all of the friends I had come and go from Japan and Korea, a small few went through tough times after returning home (couldn't find a job, missed Japan or Korea, etc.) but everyone eventually found their way and everyone is fine now. You will be too.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: L I on November 21, 2019, 03:57:23 pm
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Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Liechtenstein on November 21, 2019, 04:57:47 pm
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Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Piggydee on November 22, 2019, 07:47:11 am
Thanks annataleen for your reply.  Actually I do have an arrangement set up on the internet that is similar to what you just stated  it's just making materials really sort of like being editor. Right now I have enough to take you out to dinner.  Wither it would be enough to pay rent is yet to be seen because I'm new.  I don't know though, that's why another year here I feel might do me some good but I'm getting pressure from the SO that I should leave now.
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: AWVM_HXE on November 22, 2019, 10:28:04 am
The best advice anyone could give you now is get in shape. Reading between the lines you're thinking about a long term relationship and this would massively open up the dating field. Not being sexist or cruel, i'd say the same to an overweight guy in the same situation. If you still don't think you'll find a decent partner here, move somewhere with more possibilities. This sounds like the most pressing issue in your life at the moment so act to sort it out.

You are either trolling, the rudest person alive, or some combination of both.

The OP does not need you to assess and comment on their fuckability

You are gross.
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: CO2 on November 22, 2019, 10:33:03 am
You are either trolling, the rudest person alive, or some combination of both.

The OP does not need you to assess and comment on their fuckability

You are gross.

To be fair, Piggydee did say this.

  Let's just say I've eaten my way out of the dating pool.

Calm down. Thinner people are more desirable. That's a simple fact and 99.999% of the population can lose weight if they try.
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: AWVM_HXE on November 22, 2019, 10:41:02 am
You are either trolling, the rudest person alive, or some combination of both.

The OP does not need you to assess and comment on their fuckability

You are gross.

To be fair, Piggydee did say this.

  Let's just say I've eaten my way out of the dating pool.

Calm down. Thinner people are more desirable. That's a simple fact and 99.999% of the population can lose weight if they try.

You're bad at science! Wow, so bad at science. And anthropology. And also neither of you know what the OP actually looks like.

Also, gross? Stop? Please? God, every time I'm on this website, I kiss whatever soil I'm on that I'm not in Korea with the expats there.
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: AWVM_HXE on November 22, 2019, 10:45:09 am
Btw I used to work in recruitment and we absolutely look at the things people post on here and similar sites. A lot of you, this person included, are sloppy and identify yourselves, which is bloody idiotic.

All other people are people. Try to pretend you value other humans. Stop being hideous, sexist, sizeist, racist subhumans.
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: annataleen on November 22, 2019, 10:47:01 am
Thanks annataleen for your reply.  Actually I do have an arrangement set up on the internet that is similar to what you just stated  it's just making materials really sort of like being editor. Right now I have enough to take you out to dinner.  Wither it would be enough to pay rent is yet to be seen because I'm new.  I don't know though, that's why another year here I feel might do me some good but I'm getting pressure from the SO that I should leave now.
I can understand that. Honestly, the person I know that went through the hardest time after she left (Japan) was because of a SO. BUT, I think hers was a special case. The relationship was kind of new. She was a German JET and worked at the city hall in her town. He is from Singapore and came to her town to do an art residency for 3 months in the fall of 2010. Before he came to Japan, he had gotten another residency in Berlin for a year starting that following June (2011). Since she worked with the city, she met all the artists and he was interested in getting to know her so he could ask about Germany. But they fell for each other and dated the last six weeks of his residency. Then she faced a tough decision; stay or leave. In JET, we have to decide in February if we want to stay. The new contract generally starts in late July or early August. JET is temporary and staying another year would have been her last year anyway. She always thought she would move to Tokyo (we lived close to Tokyo) after JET though.

She decided not to renew and go to Berlin. Any doubts about that stopped in the spring of 2011 after the earthquake. Our prefecture borders Fukushima and she freaked out a bit (I don't fault her, a LOT of people did). She went to Singapore for 6 weeks at that time because he was there and he offered to let her stay there. What a way to meet the parents!  So she eventually came back to Japan for her final months, and he went to Berlin in June. She joined him in August. It was fine, but I know she was depressed for a while because it was hard to find a good job and, while she didn't doubt being with him, I am sure she wondered if going to Berlin at that time and was the right idea. Plus, she had to help him navigate Germany, all while adjusting to it herself after 4 years in Japan.

But this was all years ago. They are married with a little girl now and are still in Berlin.  ;D

I had another friend in Japan that stayed in Japan for maybe 3 years. She met a guy in her home country and they dated before she left (he was actually from Japan  :P) and I think he got tired of waiting for her, so he broke up with her during her second year I think. But when she went back home they got back together and they are now married with a little boy.

Oooh, and then I had another friend in Japan that was friends with someone for years, I think they were even roommates at some point (like a few people living together), they eventually started dating, but she really wanted to go to Japan and he couldn't at that time (maybe he was studying or not interested?? I can't remember), so they broke up and she left. I think they didn't even stay in touch much. But after a year, she visited home and they talked and got back together. After another year of long distance, he eventually moved to Japan and they were there for 3 years. They are also now married with a young boy.

So I am of the mind that if you are meant to be together, it will happen. I agree that one shouldn't make the other wait too long though.

Also, can you tell me more about your remote editor position? I recently completed a degree in Mass Comm and I found I really enjoyed editing my papers during my program. I want to do something like that when I am done in Korea. I want to keep up the skill. I know I should blog or something too, but I just haven't found the time yet. You can write here or PM me. I would really appreciate it. Thanks!
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: annataleen on November 22, 2019, 10:55:32 am
Thank you AXVM_HXE. I agree that PiggyDee didn't ask about her weight, she just mentioned that it may be a reason why it is hard to find a date.

But perhaps that is moot because she also mentioned someone at home.  :P

I am also to ask that we don't derail PiggyDee's thread further.

Thank you!
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: AWVM_HXE on November 22, 2019, 10:56:37 am
I'm not sure why Piggydee needs you to speak for them, but...uh...enjoy?
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: annataleen on November 22, 2019, 11:03:09 am
I'm not sure why Piggydee needs you to speak for them, but...uh...enjoy?

She doesn't, but it's my duty as a moderator to keep threads on track.  :P Which is something I haven't been good at lately.  :blank:

That being said, I do like it when people stick up for others.
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: CO2 on November 22, 2019, 11:05:18 am
Stop being hideous, sexist, sizeist, racist subhumans.

Never was. Never will be. But thanks.
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: CO2 on November 22, 2019, 11:23:51 am
I'm not sure why Piggydee needs you to speak for them, but...uh...enjoy?

So you can and they can't?
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: stoat on November 22, 2019, 11:43:32 am
It takes a special kind of 21st century foolishness to believe that politely suggesting to an overweight person looking for a SO that they should get in shape isn't sound advice.
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Colburnnn on November 22, 2019, 12:09:17 pm
Btw I used to work in recruitment and we absolutely look at the things people post on here and similar sites. A lot of you, this person included, are sloppy and identify yourselves, which is bloody idiotic.

All other people are people. Try to pretend you value other humans. Stop being hideous, sexist, sizeist, racist subhumans.

You doxxed people? But then REEE when people call someone fat? If you are fat, you're fat. No harm is calling fat, fat. 'Sizism' isnt a thing and calling a fattie a fatite online shouldn't impact your suitability for an unrelated role.

Anyway, OP. Go home and see how it goes with your other half. Korea isn't going anywhere.
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Piggydee on November 22, 2019, 12:22:11 pm
I guess my rules for my fat is I'm okay if you agree that I'm fat when I say I'm fat.  But if you are randomly calling me fat when my fat was never a thing of discussion, then that's when problems will arise.  I mean we could all be healthier.  So I agree with those that have encouraged me to lose weight.  I know I need to do this.  And thank you for those who are defending me.  We as a society to learn that beauty can come in all shapes, size, colors, and ages.   And living here in Korea, when you have a guy that tells you "Why is your hip so big?" really discourages you and doesn't make you feel good.  Before I met my SO, most messages on dating apps were Hi you are cute but too fat, please lose your weight and you can message me again.   :sad: >:(
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: CO2 on November 22, 2019, 12:47:21 pm
But if you are randomly calling me fat when my fat was never a thing of discussion, then that's when problems will arise.

Absolutely agree. My friend is a really big guy and Koreans will just come up and say hi to us and they'll look at him and say, "와, 큰사이즈." It's, like, yeah, no shit. 

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Before I met my SO, most messages on dating apps were Hi you are cute but too fat, please lose your weight and you can message me again.   :sad: >:(

Wow. Sometimes it's better to move onto the next person in the queue. Do they expect you to do it and then they'll check up on you 3 months later? Jesus.

And yeah, I don't know what AXE HAVE's problem is. YOU brought it up. No one was ragging on you, either. Just a simple, yeah, lose that weight and it'll be a good idea.

Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: eastcoast on November 22, 2019, 11:21:25 pm
I am glad I left this year. If I had stayed, I would have been frustrated and started feeling like a lifer with little more than the piddly 50,000 won per month raise each year. Now my love and I are here in my home country, I have a Director position, a nice place, and a nice car. Adaptation was not that difficult, because I had this job lined up in advance, and I was forced right into working and readying my home. There was no time to think about the differences in lifestyles.

Have something lined up first, unless you have a nice financial cushion to keep you settled while you look for employment. In my case, I interviewed through Skype with a few places over a year from Korea and finally landed a good job. They were flexible with my arrival date as well.
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: oglop on November 22, 2019, 11:30:21 pm
^ what kind of job are you doing now, eastcoat?
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Liechtenstein on November 23, 2019, 09:27:40 am
sizeist...that's a new one for me. Does this apply  to adult film stars?

Piggydee, I generally don't agree with anything you say here, but go. You are expressing thoughts about it therefore it's time. Another year won't do anything but put a little money in the bank and who cares. Seriously, people who are driven by money are the least happy and content people I have ever met.
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Cohort 2019 on November 24, 2019, 04:14:32 am
Exactly, am I getting friend-zoned online Piggydee? Even after my most Mr. Darcy like proposal?  :cry:
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Piggydee on November 25, 2019, 09:42:28 am
I'm sure this has already been answered but how soon do you get your pension money once you leave Korea?  Also let's say your paycheck is every 17th of the month and February is your last month when do you get the pay for February?  Is it on the last day of your employment at your school or is put into your bank account on the following 17th (March 17th) as per usual?  I think this might be a problem as one might need to close off their Korean bank account. 
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Liechtenstein on November 25, 2019, 11:14:04 am
I'm sure this has already been answered but how soon do you get your pension money once you leave Korea?  Also let's say your paycheck is every 17th of the month and February is your last month when do you get the pay for February?  Is it on the last day of your employment at your school or is put into your bank account on the following 17th (March 17th) as per usual?  I think this might be a problem as one might need to close off their Korean bank account. 

I went to the pension office and filled out the appropriate paperwork with a bank account number, name of bank and the SWIFT code. They deposited it in the bank without hassle.
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: OnNut81 on November 25, 2019, 11:42:36 am
Also let's say your paycheck is every 17th of the month and February is your last month when do you get the pay for February?  Is it on the last day of your employment at your school or is put into your bank account on the following 17th (March 17th) as per usual?  I think this might be a problem as one might need to close off their Korean bank account. 

You get paid the following month for the previous month's work?  Usually one gets paid on the 17th for the entire current month.  As in February's pay comes on February 17th.  I've never heard of anyone being paid the following month for the previous month at a public school. 
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Piggydee on November 25, 2019, 11:57:57 am
Also let's say your paycheck is every 17th of the month and February is your last month when do you get the pay for February?  Is it on the last day of your employment at your school or is put into your bank account on the following 17th (March 17th) as per usual?  I think this might be a problem as one might need to close off their Korean bank account. 

You get paid the following month for the previous month's work?  Usually one gets paid on the 17th for the entire current month.  As in February's pay comes on February 17th.  I've never heard of anyone being paid the following month for the previous month at a public school. 

Well I have get paid every 17th of the month.  My school wants me to keep working till Feb. 28th because they are having their winter camp later.  Yeah I know that schedule sucks but what can I do?  If I'm under contract till the 28th and my school still wants me to perform then I'm going to do that.  I don't want to justify an 11th month firing.  I'm just wondering if anyone here has been in my situation where they get paid middle of the month and still had to work a remaining 2 weeks.  Was that money given to you on your last day or was it just direct deposited into your US bank account on the day you usually get paid the following month. 

As for the pension how long did it take to show up in your US bank account.  The normal business days (3-5days) or faster? 
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: oglop on November 25, 2019, 11:58:14 am
got a letter from the pension office recently, telling me how much i've "invested". a nice 12m won that i'll never get back
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Piggydee on November 25, 2019, 12:05:03 pm
got a letter from the pension office recently, telling me how much i've "invested". a nice 12m won that i'll never get back

Why wouldn't you get that back? 
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Ronnie Omelettes on November 25, 2019, 12:05:11 pm
got a letter from the pension office recently, telling me how much i've "invested". a nice 12m won that i'll never get back

 :laugh:

Lucky chav bastard!  Mine says 26 million, I'll never see. 

 :cry: :cry: :cry:
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Ronnie Omelettes on November 25, 2019, 12:06:49 pm
got a letter from the pension office recently, telling me how much i've "invested". a nice 12m won that i'll never get back

Why wouldn't you get that back? 

Oglop's flakka addiction means he won't make it to 63 years old. 
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Liechtenstein on November 25, 2019, 12:07:13 pm
got a letter from the pension office recently, telling me how much i've "invested". a nice 12m won that i'll never get back

That stinks. Those who can't collect should have the option of not paying in.
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Liechtenstein on November 25, 2019, 12:08:17 pm
got a letter from the pension office recently, telling me how much i've "invested". a nice 12m won that i'll never get back

Why wouldn't you get that back? 

Home country doesn't have a tax agreement with Korea.
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Kayos on November 25, 2019, 12:11:30 pm
NZ was meant to have come to an agreement about pension stuff way back at the start of the year, but I haven't heard anything new about it since then. D:
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Piggydee on November 25, 2019, 12:13:45 pm
got a letter from the pension office recently, telling me how much i've "invested". a nice 12m won that i'll never get back

Why wouldn't you get that back? 

Oglop's flakka addiction means he won't make it to 63 years old. 

You know I was wondering about that...  How does that work that we would still get money by the time we were in our 60s?  I saw that too but I don't plan on coming back if I chose to leave this February.  How would we get that money?  Wait to claim it till then ?
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: OnNut81 on November 25, 2019, 02:11:42 pm
Also let's say your paycheck is every 17th of the month and February is your last month when do you get the pay for February?  Is it on the last day of your employment at your school or is put into your bank account on the following 17th (March 17th) as per usual?  I think this might be a problem as one might need to close off their Korean bank account. 

You get paid the following month for the previous month's work?  Usually one gets paid on the 17th for the entire current month.  As in February's pay comes on February 17th.  I've never heard of anyone being paid the following month for the previous month at a public school. 

Well I have get paid every 17th of the month.  My school wants me to keep working till Feb. 28th because they are having their winter camp later.  Yeah I know that schedule sucks but what can I do?  If I'm under contract till the 28th and my school still wants me to perform then I'm going to do that.  I don't want to justify an 11th month firing.  I'm just wondering if anyone here has been in my situation where they get paid middle of the month and still had to work a remaining 2 weeks.  Was that money given to you on your last day or was it just direct deposited into your US bank account on the day you usually get paid the following month. 

As for the pension how long did it take to show up in your US bank account.  The normal business days (3-5days) or faster? 

Aren't most public school teachers paid on the 17th or 25th for the entire month?  I am paid on the 17th and the pay on November 17th was for the entire month of November.  You're paid in advance for a couple of weeks.  They don't pay you up until the 17th unless your school has an arrangement I've never heard of.  One would normally be paid on February 17th for the entire month of February so you wouldn't be owed anything in regards to regular pay on the 28th.  At the end of the month they'd just have to pay out your severance and security deposit. 
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: plan b on November 25, 2019, 03:23:36 pm
Also let's say your paycheck is every 17th of the month and February is your last month when do you get the pay for February?  Is it on the last day of your employment at your school or is put into your bank account on the following 17th (March 17th) as per usual?  I think this might be a problem as one might need to close off their Korean bank account. 

You get paid the following month for the previous month's work?  Usually one gets paid on the 17th for the entire current month.  As in February's pay comes on February 17th.  I've never heard of anyone being paid the following month for the previous month at a public school. 

Well I have get paid every 17th of the month.  My school wants me to keep working till Feb. 28th because they are having their winter camp later.  Yeah I know that schedule sucks but what can I do?  If I'm under contract till the 28th and my school still wants me to perform then I'm going to do that.  I don't want to justify an 11th month firing.  I'm just wondering if anyone here has been in my situation where they get paid middle of the month and still had to work a remaining 2 weeks.  Was that money given to you on your last day or was it just direct deposited into your US bank account on the day you usually get paid the following month. 

As for the pension how long did it take to show up in your US bank account.  The normal business days (3-5days) or faster? 

Aren't most public school teachers paid on the 17th or 25th for the entire month?  I am paid on the 17th and the pay on November 17th was for the entire month of November.  You're paid in advance for a couple of weeks.  They don't pay you up until the 17th unless your school has an arrangement I've never heard of.  One would normally be paid on February 17th for the entire month of February so you wouldn't be owed anything in regards to regular pay on the 28th.  At the end of the month they'd just have to pay out your severance and security deposit
Also let's say your paycheck is every 17th of the month and February is your last month when do you get the pay for February?  Is it on the last day of your employment at your school or is put into your bank account on the following 17th (March 17th) as per usual?  I think this might be a problem as one might need to close off their Korean bank account. 

You get paid the following month for the previous month's work?  Usually one gets paid on the 17th for the entire current month.  As in February's pay comes on February 17th.  I've never heard of anyone being paid the following month for the previous month at a public school. 

Well I have get paid every 17th of the month.  My school wants me to keep working till Feb. 28th because they are having their winter camp later.  Yeah I know that schedule sucks but what can I do?  If I'm under contract till the 28th and my school still wants me to perform then I'm going to do that.  I don't want to justify an 11th month firing.  I'm just wondering if anyone here has been in my situation where they get paid middle of the month and still had to work a remaining 2 weeks.  Was that money given to you on your last day or was it just direct deposited into your US bank account on the day you usually get paid the following month. 

As for the pension how long did it take to show up in your US bank account.  The normal business days (3-5days) or faster? 

Aren't most public school teachers paid on the 17th or 25th for the entire month?  I am paid on the 17th and the pay on November 17th was for the entire month of November.  You're paid in advance for a couple of weeks.  They don't pay you up until the 17th unless your school has an arrangement I've never heard of.  One would normally be paid on February 17th for the entire month of February so you wouldn't be owed anything in regards to regular pay on the 28th.  At the end of the month they'd just have to pay out your severance and security deposit. 

Exactly...
We are paid 12 times a year...once a month on the 17th..We are paid in advance from the 17th to the 31st.
There will be no extra pay for the work done between the 17th and 29th of February.
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Piggydee on November 25, 2019, 03:30:45 pm
I just talked with my co-teacher and she said that the 17th counts as all of February despite still working the last two weeks.  So yeah it's all included.  Just wondering.  Thank everyone.
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Cyanea on December 01, 2019, 03:42:34 pm
got a letter from the pension office recently, telling me how much i've "invested". a nice 12m won that i'll never get back

Why wouldn't you get that back? 

Oglop's flakka addiction means he won't make it to 63 years old. 

It should be possible to get back at 63, but you will have to set up an arrangement here with the money being signed for by your representative (hire a lawyer to do this) then being paid into your account every month.
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Cyanea on December 01, 2019, 03:57:44 pm
I've been here for a total of 10 years and I'm debating wither to stay or go.

I wanted to make next year my last year (2020-2021) because
-I wanted to see my current 5th graders graduate from school. (They will be 6th graders next year and I'm the only teacher they have had since 1st grade)
-I wanted to get more pension money
-I wanted to get more severance.
-I have two more countries I want to go to while I'm here and making great cash.  Once in America and back in  a hometown I'm from, I don't see myself traveling anytime soon.

I realize I can't stay in Korea forever because renewing my visa every year is becoming a pain, I'm getting older, and I'm not married to anyone here in his country so there is no reason for me to plant roots here. 

Unlike a few foreigners I've ran into, I love my time here in Korea (a little too much; I guess I tick off one of the boxes on that hakwon blacklist of teacher "here for fun" teacher  :P)   

I don't know I'm sort of leaning towards leaving this February because
-I think my lower level student 4th and 3rd grade at my main are sick of me.
-My travel school the 6th graders every year turn terrible. (but I only see them once a week)
-My travel school will get a new co-teacher and I don't know if we will have a good working relationship like I have with my current co-teacher.

If you were in my pants LOL j/k what would you do.  Asking the for the sage advice of the Waygook community because you guys have given me good travel tidbits.  Might as well ask about this here. 

So did you decide to leave?

I have some  observations.

You seem independent, like you're happy on your own. You don't really need a partner, but you also worry about the future a bit and settling down would add some security to your life. Remember there are all sorts of people you could get with, anytime, anywhere so if you make up your mind to find your life partner, then you can succeed. I mean you will have to go for it though. I'm similar to you. Very content being single, to the point that I'm not pro-active about finding someone.

Long distance relationships can be deceptive. You pine away for each other and love hearing from each other online. But when you reunite then after 2 weeks you can see those minor points of disparity and also miss your independence. Hm.. if you already know your partner very well and have history together then I'd say go back and make it work. However if the person is new or has not played that big a part in your life then don't be afraid to stay in Korea and keep going. You could meet a Korean guy and open your own hogwon or whatever. I know Korea is ageist, they think you are good for nothing the moment you hit 40. And I agree they probably look at foreign women worse than they do men. Although there must be ways to make a living in Korea apart from teaching, if you are resident. i mean something online, or online tutoring. But if you want to keep travelling and teaching, why not keep moving to Vietnam or China?

Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Piggydee on December 02, 2019, 08:09:15 am
Thanks for all the advice everyone!  I've decided not to renew.  I've been here long enough, behaving the way I've behaved, and after seeing the recent headline made by a fellow American English teacher, let's just say I'm choosing a good time to leave now. 

I think a bigger push for getting me to go was the drinking culture here.  Once again not blaming Korea but it seems a little unfair that we as foreigners get heavy scrutinized for behavior that locals do as well.  I realized my lifestyle, WHILE IT HAS BEEN FUN, in the long run is not going to be good for me.  So rather than stay another year and unfairly have they SO wait for me on this long game of tag along, I will go back to the states now and join them to get started on our future together.  I've known this person for 4 years now.  One and half of it was spent living together while here in Korea.  I have met their family and my family know him.  We are good for each other.  So it's best I get started on this future now. 

Plus, hearing the news of people my age dying for heart attacks and what not I realize I might not have all the time in the world either.  Thanks guys for all your great advice.
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: thunderlips on December 02, 2019, 08:18:35 am
Best of luck with the transition Piggydee.

What was the headline of the american teacher though??
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: stoat on December 02, 2019, 08:23:04 am
Best of luck with the transition Piggydee.

What was the headline of the american teacher though??

The story about the woman being saved from sexual assault? The headline writers had a tricky decision there, whether to lead with k pop star or American English teacher. K pop great or foreigners bad. Tough choice. I think k pop won the battle of the headline but they made up for it by mentioning the American guy's job and nationalty throughout the story.
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: thunderlips on December 02, 2019, 08:28:14 am
Best of luck with the transition Piggydee.

What was the headline of the american teacher though??

The story about the woman being saved from sexual assault? The headline writers had a tricky decision there, whether to lead with k pop star or American English teacher. K pop great or foreigners bad. Tough choice. I think k pop won the battle of the headline but they made up for it by mentioning the American guy's job and nationalty throughout the story.

Korea times? Herald? link?
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: alexisalex on December 02, 2019, 08:40:36 am
Best of luck with the transition Piggydee.

What was the headline of the american teacher though??

The story about the woman being saved from sexual assault? The headline writers had a tricky decision there, whether to lead with k pop star or American English teacher. K pop great or foreigners bad. Tough choice. I think k pop won the battle of the headline but they made up for it by mentioning the American guy's job and nationalty throughout the story.

Korea times? Herald? link?

I saw it here - https://www.allkpop.com/article/2019/11/singer-atone-helps-thwart-sexual-assault

Just seems like a drunk foreigner.
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Piggydee on December 02, 2019, 08:45:23 am
Best of luck with the transition Piggydee.

What was the headline of the american teacher though??

The story about the woman being saved from sexual assault? The headline writers had a tricky decision there, whether to lead with k pop star or American English teacher. K pop great or foreigners bad. Tough choice. I think k pop won the battle of the headline but they made up for it by mentioning the American guy's job and nationalty throughout the story.

Korea times? Herald? link?

I saw it here - https://www.allkpop.com/article/2019/11/singer-atone-helps-thwart-sexual-assault

Just seems like a drunk foreigner.

Yes, a drunk foreigner that was trying to take a Korean girl home.  I bet he's having a fun Monday right now....
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: alexisalex on December 02, 2019, 08:46:34 am
Thanks for all the advice everyone!  I've decided not to renew.  I've been here long enough, behaving the way I've behaved, and after seeing the recent headline made by a fellow American English teacher, let's just say I'm choosing a good time to leave now. 

I think a bigger push for getting me to go was the drinking culture here.  Once again not blaming Korea but it seems a little unfair that we as foreigners get heavy scrutinized for behavior that locals do as well.  I realized my lifestyle, WHILE IT HAS BEEN FUN, in the long run is not going to be good for me.  So rather than stay another year and unfairly have they SO wait for me on this long game of tag along, I will go back to the states now and join them to get started on our future together.  I've known this person for 4 years now.  One and half of it was spent living together while here in Korea.  I have met their family and my family know him.  We are good for each other.  So it's best I get started on this future now. 

Plus, hearing the news of people my age dying for heart attacks and what not I realize I might not have all the time in the world either.  Thanks guys for all your great advice.

Congrats on making the decision! It seems like definitely the right choice for you from what you've said.
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: stoat on December 02, 2019, 08:54:28 am
Best of luck with the transition Piggydee.

What was the headline of the american teacher though??

The story about the woman being saved from sexual assault? The headline writers had a tricky decision there, whether to lead with k pop star or American English teacher. K pop great or foreigners bad. Tough choice. I think k pop won the battle of the headline but they made up for it by mentioning the American guy's job and nationalty throughout the story.

Korea times? Herald? link?

I saw it here - https://www.allkpop.com/article/2019/11/singer-atone-helps-thwart-sexual-assault

Just seems like a drunk foreigner.

Me too, though I should add that it was through Reddit, I'm not a regular visitor to allkpop. com
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: oglop on December 02, 2019, 09:02:47 am
i read that reddit link. christ, that thread is complete shitshow. someone link it!
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: T_Rex on December 02, 2019, 10:38:11 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnZ8I6qLIR0

But there's no footage of what happened before the three Korean men intervened.
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: VanIslander on December 02, 2019, 10:57:42 am
Economize, compromise but never settle...
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: MayorHaggar on December 02, 2019, 12:10:20 pm
Best of luck with the transition Piggydee.

What was the headline of the american teacher though??

The story about the woman being saved from sexual assault? The headline writers had a tricky decision there, whether to lead with k pop star or American English teacher. K pop great or foreigners bad. Tough choice. I think k pop won the battle of the headline but they made up for it by mentioning the American guy's job and nationalty throughout the story.

Korea times? Herald? link?

I saw it here - https://www.allkpop.com/article/2019/11/singer-atone-helps-thwart-sexual-assault

Just seems like a drunk foreigner.

Well that certainly makes up for the multiple kpop/tv/movie stars recently convicted of massive numbers of rapes! Foreigners bad!
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: MayorHaggar on December 02, 2019, 12:13:43 pm
NZ was meant to have come to an agreement about pension stuff way back at the start of the year, but I haven't heard anything new about it since then. D:

Hmm I mentioned to my wife that when I'm 65 I should try and get my US pension on top of my NZ pension, but she said that NZ would probably just reduce their pension payout or heavily tax the US payout. I wonder if an NZ citizen (like my wife) withdrawing their Korean pension would affect this too? Fortunately I got my Korean payout as a US citizen before moving to NZ, but as a NZ citizen she couldn't get hers and it's just sitting in Korea.
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Piggydee on December 02, 2019, 12:15:20 pm
Yep when news like this makes the headlines, I can't help but think of the repercussions this has with how are students will treat us in the classroom.  "Excuse me, student A you will show your teachers respect in the classroom." 
Student A:  Why!?  You people are nothing but a bunch of drunkards. 

Seriously sometimes when I get repeated, continual, disrespectful behavior from students, especially my older students (6th graders) I can't help but think it's because they have no respect for us based on what they may have heard from their parents or seen on the news.   

This latest headline has certainly done us no favors.   
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Kayos on December 02, 2019, 12:26:47 pm
NZ was meant to have come to an agreement about pension stuff way back at the start of the year, but I haven't heard anything new about it since then. D:

Hmm I mentioned to my wife that when I'm 65 I should try and get my US pension on top of my NZ pension, but she said that NZ would probably just reduce their pension payout or heavily tax the US payout. I wonder if an NZ citizen (like my wife) withdrawing their Korean pension would affect this too? Fortunately I got my Korean payout as a US citizen before moving to NZ, but as a NZ citizen she couldn't get hers and it's just sitting in Korea.

I read, that at the end of last year, around Dec sometime, the NZ prime minister met the Korean president, and they talked about being long standing friends and that they both have their citizens living in the others country, but no way to claim pension if and when they leave, so they agreed to allow it to be easily transferred back to their people's home country (Koreans in NZ being able to send it back to Korea, and kiwis in Korea being able to to send pension back to NZ) and that the agreement was meant to start in the first half of this year. But, I never heard anything new about it, and nothing has been updated to reflect that NZ people can get their pension here. D:
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Colburnnn on December 02, 2019, 12:27:53 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnZ8I6qLIR0

But there's no footage of what happened before the three Korean men intervened.

Yeah... still waiting for proof. So far? Nada. Zilch. Nothing.

But foreigners bad, it was on the news so must be true.
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: zola on December 02, 2019, 12:41:48 pm
NZ was meant to have come to an agreement about pension stuff way back at the start of the year, but I haven't heard anything new about it since then. D:

Hmm I mentioned to my wife that when I'm 65 I should try and get my US pension on top of my NZ pension, but she said that NZ would probably just reduce their pension payout or heavily tax the US payout. I wonder if an NZ citizen (like my wife) withdrawing their Korean pension would affect this too? Fortunately I got my Korean payout as a US citizen before moving to NZ, but as a NZ citizen she couldn't get hers and it's just sitting in Korea.

I read, that at the end of last year, around Dec sometime, the NZ prime minister met the Korean president, and they talked about being long standing friends and that they both have their citizens living in the others country, but no way to claim pension if and when they leave, so they agreed to allow it to be easily transferred back to their people's home country (Koreans in NZ being able to send it back to Korea, and kiwis in Korea being able to to send pension back to NZ) and that the agreement was meant to start in the first half of this year. But, I never heard anything new about it, and nothing has been updated to reflect that NZ people can get their pension here. D:

They signed it last month. The NZ-South Korea Social Security agreement. Unfortunately it's not a whole lot of use, unless you are planning to spend 20 years or more working here. It makes it so that time worked in Korea can be counted towards your NZ pension. As it stands I think you need to have 20 years minimum working in NZ to be eligible for a full pension. Now the years you work here will be counted towards that total. And same for Koreans in NZ. We still don't get any lump sum, though if you work more than 10 years in Korea you are able to move back here at 65 (as long as you have the appropriate visa) and claim your monthly pension, which will be bugger all, because it wont be a fully worked careers worth of payments owed to you. It seems like it would benefit a very small number of people.

And yes MayorHaggar, your wife is right, you can't get a pension on top of another one. If your US pension is more than the NZ pension, the NZ government won't pay you anymore. If it's less, they will top you up to what it would have been, had you been drawing the NZ pension.
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Post by: Ronnie Omelettes on December 02, 2019, 12:47:53 pm
Yep when news like this makes the headlines, I can't help but think of the repercussions this has with how are students will treat us in the classroom.  "Excuse me, student A you will show your teachers respect in the classroom." 
Student A:  Why!?  You people are nothing but a bunch of drunkards. 

Seriously sometimes when I get repeated, continual, disrespectful behavior from students, especially my older students (6th graders) I can't help but think it's because they have no respect for us based on what they may have heard from their parents or seen on the news.   

This latest headline has certainly done us no favors.   

It doesn't just seem to be foreigners, mind.  The recent deaths of Sulli and Goo Hara have shone the light of the disgraceful state of the K-Pop industry and women.

Quote
“Some female idols have been ostracised for not smiling in a television show and reading a book about feminism that contradicts male-dominated, patriarchal South Korean society,”

Sulli was the target of online abuse for not wearing a bra, for live-streaming an innocent night out drinking with a friend, for addressing older male colleagues by their first names and – her most egregious “crime”, it seems – for describing herself as a feminist.

“South Korean society is holding on to the idea that men must be respected and women are not deserving of respect, or at least not much,”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/02/deaths-of-k-pop-stars-put-focus-on-mental-health-taboos-in-south-korea

All totally messed up, and in line with 'we need to blame someone', women and foreigners being the easy target. 
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Piggydee on December 02, 2019, 12:54:47 pm
Well they did show the cctv of ATONE coming out of his apartment, but from what I read, ATONE yelled at the wayg to stop manhandling the girl and then he ran down stairs to help get that girl away from this sob.  So honestly I do believe it.  Plus you can see the guy clearly stumbling around just to throw a soft punch.  Clearly he looks like he's had 5 too plenty.  Sorry he maybe American but he's not cut from my cloth.   

Plus I believe this was an act of aggression on the foreigner's part against this Korean girl.  I've had to break up a situation when I saw a Korean girl being dragged by her arms by what I can only assume was an Arab guy (he didn't read S.E. Asian but who knows)  I grabbed the Korean girl and yelled 'HEY YOU TREAT YOUR MOTHER LIKE THAT MF'ER!!!"   He said "She's my girlfriend."  I said you treat her with respect!!! He let her go and she said "He's may boyfriend," and I released her off to her bad decision.  They quiet walked away and got into a taxi. 
So it's not too far fetched to me to think that  SOME foreign men feel a sense of entitlement to the women here.
Like most toxic masculinity world wide, women owe men their lives to them.   :rolleyes:

Sadly, this has made headlines.  So yeah foreigner=bad but I also know of a Korean bar owner in a certain popular foreigner district that was caught on tape sexually assaulting a woman and was later arrested.....but hey can't talk about that because....liable, even though there was VIDEO PROOF SHARED ON SOCIAL MEDIA.  BUT yeah that's none of our business. 
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Kayos on December 02, 2019, 01:22:19 pm
NZ was meant to have come to an agreement about pension stuff way back at the start of the year, but I haven't heard anything new about it since then. D:

Hmm I mentioned to my wife that when I'm 65 I should try and get my US pension on top of my NZ pension, but she said that NZ would probably just reduce their pension payout or heavily tax the US payout. I wonder if an NZ citizen (like my wife) withdrawing their Korean pension would affect this too? Fortunately I got my Korean payout as a US citizen before moving to NZ, but as a NZ citizen she couldn't get hers and it's just sitting in Korea.

I read, that at the end of last year, around Dec sometime, the NZ prime minister met the Korean president, and they talked about being long standing friends and that they both have their citizens living in the others country, but no way to claim pension if and when they leave, so they agreed to allow it to be easily transferred back to their people's home country (Koreans in NZ being able to send it back to Korea, and kiwis in Korea being able to to send pension back to NZ) and that the agreement was meant to start in the first half of this year. But, I never heard anything new about it, and nothing has been updated to reflect that NZ people can get their pension here. D:

They signed it last month. The NZ-South Korea Social Security agreement. Unfortunately it's not a whole lot of use, unless you are planning to spend 20 years or more working here. It makes it so that time worked in Korea can be counted towards your NZ pension. As it stands I think you need to have 20 years minimum working in NZ to be eligible for a full pension. Now the years you work here will be counted towards that total. And same for Koreans in NZ. We still don't get any lump sum, though if you work more than 10 years in Korea you are able to move back here at 65 (as long as you have the appropriate visa) and claim your monthly pension, which will be bugger all, because it wont be a fully worked careers worth of payments owed to you. It seems like it would benefit a very small number of people.

And yes MayorHaggar, your wife is right, you can't get a pension on top of another one. If your US pension is more than the NZ pension, the NZ government won't pay you anymore. If it's less, they will top you up to what it would have been, had you been drawing the NZ pension.

Ahh, at least it counts towards the years worked thing for NZ. As, with my time spent in Korea, would take me to 15/20 years worked for pension. :P
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: hangook77 on December 03, 2019, 12:45:26 pm
www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN1WwnEDWAM
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Piggydee on December 03, 2019, 01:42:18 pm
 :rolleyes:  I've heard it already

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SneCkM0bJq0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SneCkM0bJq0)
Title: Re: Should I stay or should I go?
Post by: Cyanea on December 03, 2019, 11:07:12 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUC4o8ZN8FM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUC4o8ZN8FM)

I won't be here when you come home
I'm sorry if you don't understand forgive me if you can
But I can see another road
And I ain't coming back

Don't look for me you around this town
Cause I will be so far away you'll never find me anywhere

And as I walk into the lonely afternoon
I feel sad enough, I feel bad enough
And all the times when you are lonely where you are
Please don't hate me then, I just could not pretend