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Title: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: Cyanea on November 05, 2019, 12:50:17 am

Year-long contracts are basically to enslave the workforce and keep them on their toes.

Because every year a farcical scenario is created whereby the employee and employer play mind games leading up to the renewal or termination date.
If you are a teacher that wants to renew, then you basically have to approach your boss like you're trying pull a member of the opposite sex at a night club. careful now! Don't appear too keen! Dress smart, make them laugh. Be amusing company. They have options, remember! They can easy get the phone numbers of other waygook teachers! Just act normal. Don't be the first to bring up the topic of renewal, you will look desperate! let them be the ones, it gives you more bargaining power.

Its just madness. teaching jobs should be considered as indefinite. I mean surely the employer and employee can simply give notice whenever they want to terminate the employment at any time? Why does it have to be this ridiculous renew-or-not performance every year? Its not just esl, this disease is making inroads into all kinds of jobs.
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: lhelena on November 05, 2019, 08:04:01 am
What I dislike is how long they make you wait until you find out what their decision is. Like I know, in the case of EPIK schools, they have to wait to hear from the MOE/POE before they can make a decision. BUT as soon as that decision is made it would be nice to just verbally let the NET know what's going on. I don't like waiting for paperwork to be ready to tell me the answer when they can easily just be like "here's our decision. paperwork will follow".
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: oglop on November 05, 2019, 08:09:11 am
at my old public school, the principal wanted to let go two of the native teachers (new principal- he hated english, and wanted to save money, i guess). but he refused to tell them until 2 weeks before the end of their contracts because he was afraid they wouldn't work as hard. this meant they'd be unable to find new jobs for the new semester, starting in march. one of the teachers had worked at that school for over 10 years...
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: thunderlips on November 05, 2019, 08:45:19 am
My current school after my first year I asked my Coteacher, “Would the school prefer me to renew or do they want a new net?”.  I genuinely was curious as I couldn’t really tell how they felt. My Coteacher replied, “it doesn’t matter.” I just started my fourth and final contract at this school. :/
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: Piggydee on November 05, 2019, 09:46:33 am
What I dislike is how long they make you wait until you find out what their decision is. Like I know, in the case of EPIK schools, they have to wait to hear from the MOE/POE before they can make a decision. BUT as soon as that decision is made it would be nice to just verbally let the NET know what's going on. I don't like waiting for paperwork to be ready to tell me the answer when they can easily just be like "here's our decision. paperwork will follow".

OMG I'm so glad I'm not the only one doing this mental limbo either.  From an old check list I got from my first EPIK Orientation it's suppose to follow as such

Aug-  Let your school know you have an intention of staying another year.
Oct- The school will do a private evaluation of you (behavior, attendance, did you get along with other people who weren't your co-teacher)
Nov.- I think they are suppose to give you the form for you to renew but this isn't a guarantee.  It's just signing you intention.
Dec. -  Need to see if they have a budget for you, if not then even though you sign the intention to renew form you can't continue at the school as they have no budget.
Jan. - I think by now this time everyone should know
Feb. - Should know by now!


If I can remember correctly I ended up losing the budget for my first school in Jan. and was quickly placed at my new school in Feb.  So  it can happen fast.
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: hangook77 on November 05, 2019, 10:43:19 am
at my old public school, the principal wanted to let go two of the native teachers (new principal- he hated english, and wanted to save money, i guess). but he refused to tell them until 2 weeks before the end of their contracts because he was afraid they wouldn't work as hard. this meant they'd be unable to find new jobs for the new semester, starting in march. one of the teachers had worked at that school for over 10 years...

Aren't they suppose to give more notice than that?  At least one or two months?  The EPIK contract says two months notice or is it just practice from many.  That principal giving two weeks notice had better have given extra compensation since it left you little time to look for another job.  I would have sat in his office screaming my lungs out at the prick if it were done at me.  I wouldn't have left till I got an extra payoff to compensate me while being unemployed due to his devious behaviour.  He'd know who the Alpha is in this situation (not saying I am in all situations, though). 
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: NorthStar on November 05, 2019, 12:21:26 pm
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Aren't they suppose to give more notice than that?  At least one or two months?  The EPIK contract says two months notice or is it just practice from many.  That principal giving two weeks notice had better have given extra compensation since it left you little time to look for another job.  I would have sat in his office screaming my lungs out at the prick if it were done at me.  I wouldn't have left till I got an extra payoff to compensate me while being unemployed due to his devious behaviour.  He'd know who the Alpha is in this situation (not saying I am in all situations, though). 

Really?  So, when the principle calls the police, telling them he has no idea why you are acting like a crazy foreigner, what will you do then?
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: LIC on November 05, 2019, 12:24:06 pm
It's all a power play by low-brow low self-esteem people who get perverse pleasure over lording it over anybody. Male castrato principals are quite possibly on the receiving end every time they set foot in their house and see the wife.

As for female principals, the worst boss I ever had in Korea was a first year female principal on a huge power trip. She grossed me out one time too many and I calmly walked into her office and told her I quit, effective immediately, and I was writing to the local office of ed. and the provincial one and spilling.

She sputtered about the contract and crap but was already speaking to my back. 
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: oglop on November 05, 2019, 12:33:22 pm
at my old public school, the principal wanted to let go two of the native teachers (new principal- he hated english, and wanted to save money, i guess). but he refused to tell them until 2 weeks before the end of their contracts because he was afraid they wouldn't work as hard. this meant they'd be unable to find new jobs for the new semester, starting in march. one of the teachers had worked at that school for over 10 years...

Aren't they suppose to give more notice than that?  At least one or two months?  The EPIK contract says two months notice or is it just practice from many.  That principal giving two weeks notice had better have given extra compensation since it left you little time to look for another job.  I would have sat in his office screaming my lungs out at the prick if it were done at me.  I wouldn't have left till I got an extra payoff to compensate me while being unemployed due to his devious behaviour.  He'd know who the Alpha is in this situation (not saying I am in all situations, though). 
those two weren't EPIK, they were direct hires. i was with EPIK and got 2 months notice that i wasn't being renewwed (the principal decided to opt-out of having any native teachers...which was weird, as it was an english-orientated school. i bet the parents were pissed).
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: NorthStar on November 05, 2019, 12:35:23 pm
It's all a power play by low-brow low self-esteem people who get perverse pleasure over lording it over anybody. Male castrato principals are quite possibly on the receiving end every time they set foot in their house and see the wife.

As for female principals, the worst boss I ever had in Korea was a first year female principal on a huge power trip. She grossed me out one time too many and I calmly walked into her office and told her I quit, effective immediately, and I was writing to the local office of ed. and the provincial one and spilling.

She sputtered about the contract and crap but was already speaking to my back. 

My worst bosses/directors/principles have been females....
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: Piggydee on November 05, 2019, 12:36:45 pm
at my old public school, the principal wanted to let go two of the native teachers (new principal- he hated english, and wanted to save money, i guess). but he refused to tell them until 2 weeks before the end of their contracts because he was afraid they wouldn't work as hard. this meant they'd be unable to find new jobs for the new semester, starting in march. one of the teachers had worked at that school for over 10 years...

Aren't they suppose to give more notice than that?  At least one or two months?  The EPIK contract says two months notice or is it just practice from many.  That principal giving two weeks notice had better have given extra compensation since it left you little time to look for another job.  I would have sat in his office screaming my lungs out at the prick if it were done at me.  I wouldn't have left till I got an extra payoff to compensate me while being unemployed due to his devious behaviour.  He'd know who the Alpha is in this situation (not saying I am in all situations, though). 

Yeah for us, it's two months notice.  For them....a few days before the new semester starts IT SEEMS LIKE IT.  That's why I'm wonder if I should stay one more year or go this year.  This back and forth thing drives me mad.
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: lhelena on November 05, 2019, 12:38:57 pm
Last year everything for renewing happened really fast for me and pretty early (I think they asked me about staying and got me the paperwork all in October). I think they were surprised because they've had a new NET every year for the 3 years before I got here.

But this year has been completely different. The way they approached me about renewal was totally different and my co made a point to mention the staff would be meeting to decide if they want to renew me or not. Being that last year they were just like "what do you wanna do?" I had a feeling I wasn't going to be renewed. There are a lot of factors that could have made them decide to get a new teacher, the 2 that stick out to me are that I'm married to a Korean now and my salary would be increasing again being that it would have been my third year. (Since I got married there has been an overall change at my school so that's why I think it could be a reason or part of the reason) So I asked to be told what the decision was as soon as the meeting was held because I have a lot of stuff to do to prepare for next year. 2 weeks go by with not a word. So I asked again and basically was like "I'm not going back to America so you have to let me know so I have time to prepare". So the next week I got an answer and they decided not to renew me.

I don't really care one way or another if I'm renewed or not, that's not the point. The point is I shouldn't have to wait until they're comfortable telling me their decision when it affects my future. And especially when I'm not single and able to just move wherever; my husband doesn't want to, nor should he have to, leave his job. And it's crazy that I had to explain that to the school just so they'd give me a simple answer to something that's pretty important. There is no legitimate reason they should wait so long to let people know whether they will have a job or not, especially when it also means you might not have a place to live as well.
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: lhelena on November 05, 2019, 12:42:13 pm
It's all a power play by low-brow low self-esteem people who get perverse pleasure over lording it over anybody. Male castrato principals are quite possibly on the receiving end every time they set foot in their house and see the wife.

As for female principals, the worst boss I ever had in Korea was a first year female principal on a huge power trip. She grossed me out one time too many and I calmly walked into her office and told her I quit, effective immediately, and I was writing to the local office of ed. and the provincial one and spilling.

She sputtered about the contract and crap but was already speaking to my back. 

My worst bosses/directors/principles have been females....

My principal is a woman, but she's been at this a very long time. She was alright last year, but she's retiring at the end of this year and has been a lot more passive and downright absent a lot this year.
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: L I on November 05, 2019, 12:45:42 pm
Aren't they suppose to give more notice than that?  At least one or two months?  The EPIK contract says two months notice

That's about the NET giving notice to the school. About the school giving advance notice to the NET, well, they don't have to. Nothing in the contract about that.
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: Aristocrat on November 05, 2019, 12:46:12 pm
at my old public school, the principal wanted to let go two of the native teachers (new principal- he hated english, and wanted to save money, i guess). but he refused to tell them until 2 weeks before the end of their contracts because he was afraid they wouldn't work as hard. this meant they'd be unable to find new jobs for the new semester, starting in march. one of the teachers had worked at that school for over 10 years...

The principal is your senior, not your employer. EPIK NETs are employed by the POE/MOE.

He doesn't fire you, the POE/MOE does. What he can do is give you a bad score on your renewal form and/or request that you be transfered. Either way, he/she needs to explain why.
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: LIC on November 05, 2019, 12:46:32 pm
It's all a power play by low-brow low self-esteem people who get perverse pleasure over lording it over anybody. Male castrato principals are quite possibly on the receiving end every time they set foot in their house and see the wife.

As for female principals, the worst boss I ever had in Korea was a first year female principal on a huge power trip. She grossed me out one time too many and I calmly walked into her office and told her I quit, effective immediately, and I was writing to the local office of ed. and the provincial one and spilling.

She sputtered about the contract and crap but was already speaking to my back. 

My worst bosses/directors/principles have been females....

I got lucky, for years the principal was always an old man 1 year away from retirement. The very picture of a person who just doesn't care. Relaxed.......
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: LIC on November 05, 2019, 12:56:13 pm
at my old public school, the principal wanted to let go two of the native teachers (new principal- he hated english, and wanted to save money, i guess). but he refused to tell them until 2 weeks before the end of their contracts because he was afraid they wouldn't work as hard. this meant they'd be unable to find new jobs for the new semester, starting in march. one of the teachers had worked at that school for over 10 years...

The principal is your senior, not your employer. EPIK NETs are employed by the POE/MOE.

He doesn't fire you, the POE/MOE does. What he can do is give you a bad score on your renewal form and/or request that you be transfered. Either way, he/she needs to explain why.


Right.......like the POE or MOE will keep a NET in a school when the principal wants you gone.
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: hangook77 on November 05, 2019, 01:17:33 pm
Aren't they suppose to give more notice than that?  At least one or two months?  The EPIK contract says two months notice

That's about the NET giving notice to the school. About the school giving advance notice to the NET, well, they don't have to. Nothing in the contract about that.

I believe that also applies to them in regards to us.  I wouldn't accept two weeks notice.  They would have to renew me or compensate me.  I would expect a free month of rent after the contract in the apartment if they gave me two weeks notice at the least. 
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: L I on November 05, 2019, 01:40:22 pm
But the contract says nothing about the school's (or education office's) obligation to inform the NET ahead of time regarding the renewal status. So how could you force them to renew or compensate you for the last minute informing. Legally they don't have to. So they wouldn't.
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: Piggydee on November 05, 2019, 01:54:05 pm
By the way TOTALLY OFF TOPIC.  But let's say your school is liiiiike "Nah we good, we don't need you anymore."  And you are okay with that and ready to leave Korea but instead want to have some Fun-employment FUN  is it okay to stay till your visa expires and then take that exit allowance home or do you have to go home when your school buys the ticket that says you have to go.  I was wondering if there was a way to ask the school if they could just book your flight a few days before your visa officially expires.  Just thoughts.  Wanted to know if anyone has or knows someone who has done that. :wink:
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: purpleparrot on November 05, 2019, 02:07:16 pm
By the way TOTALLY OFF TOPIC.  But let's say your school is liiiiike "Nah we good, we don't need you anymore."  And you are okay with that and ready to leave Korea but instead want to have some Fun-employment FUN  is it okay to stay till your visa expires and then take that exit allowance home or do you have to go home when your school buys the ticket that says you have to go.  I was wondering if there was a way to ask the school if they could just book your flight a few days before your visa officially expires.  Just thoughts.  Wanted to know if anyone has or knows someone who has done that. :wink:

I think you have to leave Korea within 10 days of your contract end date to get the exit allowance.  If you stay longer than that, you can't get the allowance.
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: oglop on November 05, 2019, 03:02:12 pm
at my old public school, the principal wanted to let go two of the native teachers (new principal- he hated english, and wanted to save money, i guess). but he refused to tell them until 2 weeks before the end of their contracts because he was afraid they wouldn't work as hard. this meant they'd be unable to find new jobs for the new semester, starting in march. one of the teachers had worked at that school for over 10 years...

The principal is your senior, not your employer. EPIK NETs are employed by the POE/MOE.

He doesn't fire you, the POE/MOE does. What he can do is give you a bad score on your renewal form and/or request that you be transfered. Either way, he/she needs to explain why.

Which part are you arguing with me about? Neither of those 2 teachers I mentioned were employed by the MOE - they were hired directly by the school
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: guppy1000 on November 06, 2019, 12:57:19 am
Toughen up, Lads, as foreign contract labor, you're nothing here.

The Koreans really don't want you here.

Take your money and run.  Don't look back in the mirror.
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: hangook77 on November 06, 2019, 08:36:20 am
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Aren't they suppose to give more notice than that?  At least one or two months?  The EPIK contract says two months notice or is it just practice from many.  That principal giving two weeks notice had better have given extra compensation since it left you little time to look for another job.  I would have sat in his office screaming my lungs out at the prick if it were done at me.  I wouldn't have left till I got an extra payoff to compensate me while being unemployed due to his devious behaviour.  He'd know who the Alpha is in this situation (not saying I am in all situations, though). 

Really?  So, when the principle calls the police, telling them he has no idea why you are acting like a crazy foreigner, what will you do then?

Then, tell them, he's lying if he claims to have idea why you're pissed.  You have every right to be pissed with two weeks notice.  Cops here have no power.  Just keep repeating your version of events over and over again.  Never change your story or cave under pressure.  You either have a backbone or you don't.  I treat people with respect and I demand it in return.  You don't want to renew me?  Fine.  Give me two months notice so I can pack up my belongings and find another job.  Stab me in the back at the last minute and face me down.  As long as I'm not being physically violent, there's nothing that can be done about it.  Stick up for yourself or be a *****.  That's up to you.  I wouldn't put up with that level of disrespect myself.  But to each their own.  It's why some hakwons can still pull this 2.1 garbage, because there are pussies out there who would accept it.  If more foreigners stuck together with backbone, that wouldn't happen either.  Thankfully, the shortages are pushing some to raise their wages.  But, that's for another topic.
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: DMZabductee on November 06, 2019, 10:55:09 am
Toughen up, Lads, as foreign contract labor, you're nothing here.

This pretty much sums it up. The contract is clear, no one is "owed" a renewal, even if you've been here ages.

Make sure and have an exit strategy.

Even if your school/co-workers/principal loves you we'll be the first to go when the belt tightens. And it will tighten.

Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: Cyanea on November 27, 2019, 09:43:12 pm
he refused to tell them until 2 weeks before the end of their contracts because he was afraid they wouldn't work as hard.

Ghosting an employee over something so important as a renewal virtually guarantees their morale and work performance will suffer.

Obviously that boss had never been forced to live in limbo because if he had, he would know that it is about the weirdest form of emotional abuse you can play on someone. Does he really think his employee is going to wake up super motivated and run into work because they don't know what's going on? Its the opposite. The employee starts to think they are not wanted, then starts to make plan B. then scraps it. etc. Because living in limbo..just because your boss is on a power trip.. is crazy-making.



Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: Kayos on November 28, 2019, 08:39:58 am
Toughen up, Lads, as foreign contract labor, you're nothing here.

This pretty much sums it up. The contract is clear, no one is "owed" a renewal, even if you've been here ages.

Make sure and have an exit strategy.

Even if your school/co-workers/principal loves you we'll be the first to go when the belt tightens. And it will tighten.

I agree. With year to year contracts, I always make sure I have something lined up about month before the renewal paperwork here.
If I don't get renewed, even if I wanted to stay, it's no biggie as I have something to go to.
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: oglop on November 28, 2019, 08:45:20 am
he refused to tell them until 2 weeks before the end of their contracts because he was afraid they wouldn't work as hard.

Ghosting an employee over something so important as a renewal virtually guarantees their morale and work performance will suffer.

Obviously that boss had never been forced to live in limbo because if he had, he would know that it is about the weirdest form of emotional abuse you can play on someone. Does he really think his employee is going to wake up super motivated and run into work because they don't know what's going on? Its the opposite. The employee starts to think they are not wanted, then starts to make plan B. then scraps it. etc. Because living in limbo..just because your boss is on a power trip.. is crazy-making.

well, yeah. he had never actually really been a teacher, and from what i heard, got his position because of nepotism. just your classic entitled ajeossi
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: hautewingz on November 28, 2019, 09:16:42 am
Toughen up, Lads, as foreign contract labor, you're nothing here.

The Koreans really don't want you here.

Take your money and run.  Don't look back in the mirror.

This. All. Damn. Day! (preach!)
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: alexisalex on November 28, 2019, 09:20:45 am
I'm surprised the Ulsan news didn't cause more of a stir here.  It went well under the radar!
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: thunderlips on November 28, 2019, 10:38:58 am
I'm surprised the Ulsan news didn't cause more of a stir here.  It went well under the radar!

What news was that?
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: Kayos on November 28, 2019, 10:54:31 am
I'm surprised the Ulsan news didn't cause more of a stir here.  It went well under the radar!

What news was that?

too lazy to find the thread but, around 41 - 42 NETs in Ulsan are getting cut next year, with the money going free uniforms for all students, and for better English education training (or something) for Korean English teachers, so they don't need NETs.
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: thunderlips on November 28, 2019, 12:06:48 pm
Oh. Yeah that sucks but not entirely surprising. Korea loves English education as long as they don’t have to speak it!

Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: Colburnnn on November 28, 2019, 12:45:27 pm
I'm surprised the Ulsan news didn't cause more of a stir here.  It went well under the radar!

What news was that?

too lazy to find the thread but, around 41 - 42 NETs in Ulsan are getting cut next year, with the money going free uniforms for all students, and for better English education training (or something) for Korean English teachers, so they don't need NETs.

Any links for news articles about this?  I have some friends in Ulsan.
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: L I on November 28, 2019, 01:09:49 pm
Ulsan is the wealthiest region of Korea.

GDP per capita is 77 million.

NETs make half that.

Surely Ulsan can afford them.

If they actually want them there that is.
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: Kayos on November 28, 2019, 01:25:56 pm
I'm surprised the Ulsan news didn't cause more of a stir here.  It went well under the radar!

What news was that?

too lazy to find the thread but, around 41 - 42 NETs in Ulsan are getting cut next year, with the money going free uniforms for all students, and for better English education training (or something) for Korean English teachers, so they don't need NETs.

Any links for news articles about this?  I have some friends in Ulsan.

There was a thread floating around here on Tuesday, but I can't seem to find it, and I can't find anything in the korean hearld and koreatimes.
The cuts will be from people who renew at the start of the year (Feb), people who started later seemed safe based on what I read.
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: alexisalex on November 28, 2019, 02:32:59 pm
I'm surprised the Ulsan news didn't cause more of a stir here.  It went well under the radar!

What news was that?

too lazy to find the thread but, around 41 - 42 NETs in Ulsan are getting cut next year, with the money going free uniforms for all students, and for better English education training (or something) for Korean English teachers, so they don't need NETs.

Any links for news articles about this?  I have some friends in Ulsan.

There was a thread floating around here on Tuesday, but I can't seem to find it, and I can't find anything in the korean hearld and koreatimes.
The cuts will be from people who renew at the start of the year (Feb), people who started later seemed safe based on what I read.

https://www.waygook.org/index.php?topic=99098.10940

A few posts later planb posted the whole translated text from the news article.
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: 303lmc on November 28, 2019, 02:52:46 pm
um, I'm pretty sure the school isn't buying your ticket. but I do believe you will be reimbursed for the ticket per the contract. and I thought you could stay maybe up to 10 days after your contract ends but no longer or you do not get the reimbursement for the ticket.
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: L I on November 28, 2019, 03:02:00 pm
An email was sent out to all UMOE teachers by the UMOE GET Coordinator:

Hello February Contract Teachers,
If you have received this email it is because your current contract with UMOE will be ending on February 25th, 2020. If you are completing a six-month extension contract or if you do not intend to renew with UMOE, you may disregard the following.
There have been some rumors regarding the state of UMOE contract renewals in 2020 and beyond, so for the teachers who were intending to renew their contracts in February 2020, I would like to inform you of the current situation.
As many of you may already know, the UMOE Guest English Teacher budget has been severely reduced by Ulsan city hall and as a result middle school GET positions in Ulsan have been eliminated from February 2020 onward. Unfortunately, due to the drastic nature of the budget reductions it has become unavoidable to cut GET positions here in Ulsan even further.
Therefore, I must regrettably inform you that all GETs who are on a February to February contract will not be offered a contract renewal with UMOE in 2020. To be absolutely clear about what that means, all GETs (elementary, middle and high school) whose contracts finish on February 25th, 2020 will not be able to continue working with UMOE after that date.
While the contract has never guaranteed a renewal to any of us, the MOE understands that many of you have worked hard at your school(s) with the expectation of renewing for another year and that this news may come as an unwelcome surprise. To those people I can only say that the MOE did not make this decision hastily and would of course prefer to keep enthusiastic and hardworking GETs such as yourselves in as many schools as possible. Of course it goes without saying, but despite the current budgetary issues please be assured that all the terms of the contract (bonus and severance payments) will be fulfilled at the appropriate time during the leaving process.
In light of this news I know that many of you will now be looking for other employment for next year. While some of you may opt to return home or move to another country, for the teachers who wish to remain in Korea, the MOE will be able to provide copies of the documents from your original EPIK application which are currently stored at the UMOE office (i.e. certified copies of the documents required for EPIK applications). Please contact me at this email address if you need to make an appointment to collect the certified copies. For those who wish to re-apply to EPIK with the hopes of finding employment in another region of Korea, please be aware that EPIK usually accepts applications for the Spring term until January of that year, however this can change depending on the amount of applicants, so if this is the route you wish to pursue, then sooner you submit your application, the better.
Unfortunately UMOE does not have any information regarding future intakes or renewals in Ulsan (August 2020 and onward) at this time.
I will send out another email outlining the exit process for departing teachers towards the end of the semester.
Regards,
Noah XXXXXX
UMOE GET Coordinator.
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: Ronnie Omelettes on November 28, 2019, 03:12:53 pm
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As many of you may already know, the UMOE Guest English Teacher budget has been severely reduced by Ulsan city hall and as a result middle school GET positions in Ulsan have been eliminated from February 2020 onward.

This was done in Chungnam five years ago.  Middle goes first, then the small high schools.  The big elementary schools always have the most, which is strange because it is the least useful of the three.
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: Kayos on November 28, 2019, 03:20:59 pm
I'm surprised the Ulsan news didn't cause more of a stir here.  It went well under the radar!

What news was that?

too lazy to find the thread but, around 41 - 42 NETs in Ulsan are getting cut next year, with the money going free uniforms for all students, and for better English education training (or something) for Korean English teachers, so they don't need NETs.

Any links for news articles about this?  I have some friends in Ulsan.

https://news.v.daum.net/v/20191124173029753
The link so you don't have to go digging in the ranting thread page. (Thanks to alexisalex)
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: thunderlips on November 28, 2019, 04:03:46 pm
Yeah I mean in reality nets are all going to go bye bye. But not until the education office stops their nepotism and bribery of using only Korean publishers for educational materials.
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: L I on November 28, 2019, 04:12:36 pm
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-27/south-korea-set-to-break-own-record-on-world-s-lowest-birth-rate
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: pkjh on November 28, 2019, 05:59:52 pm
I'm surprised the Ulsan news didn't cause more of a stir here.  It went well under the radar!

What news was that?

too lazy to find the thread but, around 41 - 42 NETs in Ulsan are getting cut next year, with the money going free uniforms for all students, and for better English education training (or something) for Korean English teachers, so they don't need NETs.

Any links for news articles about this?  I have some friends in Ulsan.

https://news.v.daum.net/v/20191124173029753
The link so you don't have to go digging in the ranting thread page. (Thanks to alexisalex)
People haven't made a fuss about this probably because they just won't replace the ones who don't want to renew. According to the article they're cutting about a third of the positions. They're still keeping people around to keep parents happy. Because when they cut everyone, a few years later they hire NET's again to fill some of the schools because of parents' demands.
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: L I on November 28, 2019, 06:23:58 pm
The entire spring intake got non-renewed.

I'm surprised that's only a third of the teachers.

105 remain (who may or may not get renewed this coming August and other times throughout the year).

That there are so few means there have already been drastic cuts.

In a city of 1.1 million, that's less than one NET per 10,000 inhabitants. I realize Korea's birthrate has been low, but come on. This means A LOT of Korean kids won't have any exposure at all to a native English teacher.
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: Cohort 2019 on November 29, 2019, 01:52:47 am
Good. People should teach back in their home countries instead of being marginalised 12.000 miles from home for being an ESL teacher in a xenophobic society.
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: Colburnnn on November 29, 2019, 07:29:14 am
Good. People should teach back in their home countries instead of being marginalised 12.000 miles from home for being an ESL teacher in a xenophobic society.

LOL wut.
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: DMZabductee on November 29, 2019, 07:50:07 am
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People haven't made a fuss about this probably because they just won't replace the ones who don't want to renew.

They cut everyone who was unlucky enough to be on a February contract. So even those who wanted to stay, can't.

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105 remain (who may or may not get renewed this coming August and other times throughout the year)

Yeah as the news clip below explains this is the beginning of a 'gradual reduction' by the current team in charge of the education office. The relatively new 교육감 is spearheading an 'Ulsan model" approach to English education. Despite the fact that they want to get rid of us, it seems they want to focus on speaking and listening (GETs strongest asset teaching-wise) while "strengthening" Korean English teachers' abilities. The news clip also says that while we (GETs) have our advantages, our lessons are "insufficient" and we're basically not worth the large monetary investment (having met many GETs, I do have to begrudgingly agree with them on that point :smiley:).

So even if some folks in Ulsan escaped this round of cuts, the current direction of the MOE is heading towards even more reductions in the near future. Get your ducks in a row, people. Start planning your exit strategy, if you don't already have one.

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That there are so few means there have already been drastic cuts.

This is true.

I've seen the UMOE's records and they show that from a high point around 2010/11 there has been a slow but steady reduction in positions since 2014. I've also been living in Ulsan for over 6 years now and have seen it with my own eyes, despite there being no "official" change in policy, until now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yM7Rs5P61o
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: gotngoidea on November 29, 2019, 08:43:24 am
The entire spring intake got non-renewed.

I'm surprised that's only a third of the teachers.

105 remain (who may or may not get renewed this coming August and other times throughout the year).

That there are so few means there have already been drastic cuts.

In a city of 1.1 million, that's less than one NET per 10,000 inhabitants. I realize Korea's birthrate has been low, but come on. This means A LOT of Korean kids won't have any exposure at all to a native English teacher.

This is what happened in my province a couple of years back. Went from about 170 to 130 foreign teachers.
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: hangook77 on December 04, 2019, 08:38:11 am
An email was sent out to all UMOE teachers by the UMOE GET Coordinator:

Hello February Contract Teachers,
If you have received this email it is because your current contract with UMOE will be ending on February 25th, 2020. If you are completing a six-month extension contract or if you do not intend to renew with UMOE, you may disregard the following.
There have been some rumors regarding the state of UMOE contract renewals in 2020 and beyond, so for the teachers who were intending to renew their contracts in February 2020, I would like to inform you of the current situation.
As many of you may already know, the UMOE Guest English Teacher budget has been severely reduced by Ulsan city hall and as a result middle school GET positions in Ulsan have been eliminated from February 2020 onward. Unfortunately, due to the drastic nature of the budget reductions it has become unavoidable to cut GET positions here in Ulsan even further.
Therefore, I must regrettably inform you that all GETs who are on a February to February contract will not be offered a contract renewal with UMOE in 2020. To be absolutely clear about what that means, all GETs (elementary, middle and high school) whose contracts finish on February 25th, 2020 will not be able to continue working with UMOE after that date.
While the contract has never guaranteed a renewal to any of us, the MOE understands that many of you have worked hard at your school(s) with the expectation of renewing for another year and that this news may come as an unwelcome surprise. To those people I can only say that the MOE did not make this decision hastily and would of course prefer to keep enthusiastic and hardworking GETs such as yourselves in as many schools as possible. Of course it goes without saying, but despite the current budgetary issues please be assured that all the terms of the contract (bonus and severance payments) will be fulfilled at the appropriate time during the leaving process.
In light of this news I know that many of you will now be looking for other employment for next year. While some of you may opt to return home or move to another country, for the teachers who wish to remain in Korea, the MOE will be able to provide copies of the documents from your original EPIK application which are currently stored at the UMOE office (i.e. certified copies of the documents required for EPIK applications). Please contact me at this email address if you need to make an appointment to collect the certified copies. For those who wish to re-apply to EPIK with the hopes of finding employment in another region of Korea, please be aware that EPIK usually accepts applications for the Spring term until January of that year, however this can change depending on the amount of applicants, so if this is the route you wish to pursue, then sooner you submit your application, the better.
Unfortunately UMOE does not have any information regarding future intakes or renewals in Ulsan (August 2020 and onward) at this time.
I will send out another email outlining the exit process for departing teachers towards the end of the semester.
Regards,
Noah XXXXXX
UMOE GET Coordinator.


So why can't they call another province that is hiring and get them a job there?  Pretty lazy and ignorant on their part.  I'd give that damn person an earful insisting on it, especially if they waited till December to tell me. 

As for the rest of it, it is a typical pattern.  Funding cut from city hall.  That part of Korea is usually Seanuri or whatever they are calling themselves now.  But I think due to the scandal with the last President and some other scandals, the Democratic party squeaked in.  Very rare for that area.  It is the party of the left.  They have always wanted to get rid of English teachers and foreigners in general.  (Different from the stereotype of the parties in the west.)  Look to Seoul, Gyeonggi and other areas a few years ago.  It was this same party winning up there cutting foreigners.  But given the traditions in that area and the current approval rating nationally, I am guessing it will be a one term government.  Maybe the cuts will either get a reprieve or a restoring after that.  Take  western politics and flip it to a reverse.  English teachers bad.  They can't be as open as a decade ago when they were in power, but subtleties abound.  Whenever they win locally, they always try to cut us out. 

Now as for what one poster had said, he had some truth in what he said.  If you want the positions not cut and for parents to really want us, the kids have to go home and brag how much they like us.  Take some time to greet them high 5 them at lunch whatever.  Have some fun.  Also instead of slacking, make some good activities for your class.  I know many of you do, but some of you also sit around and download a ppt at the last minute. 

I can tell you, this year, I have been busy making ppts and game activities due to the text book changing.  I have not been so hard working before by my own admission.  But at all 3 elementary schools, the teachers have all commented on my hard work and diligence.  Their words not mine.  My open class, they all said they would give me 100% even if I made mistakes.  The kids scream hello at me at lunch time and the vp and principal always comment on it.  I'm not saying this to brag about myself.  I'm saying this because people notice and if more of us did this, we would not only be safe from cuts, but also be able to start pushing for a raise which will need to happen soon (Korea ain't getting any cheaper).  The truth is things are less dire than several years ago due to other countries ramping up their hiring especially if you go get a TESOL. 

As many of you know, I have uploaded a sampling of my game activities here, but not all of them.  I had a dilemma.  Do I upload my time and effort just to let others coast?  Well, I had a compromise of sorts.  I uploaded some lessons, but not all.  Honestly I have never so busy in a school year in all my time here.  But, I hope to re use the next 2 or 3 years.  I figured that by having some native speakers get some lessons, perhaps it will inspire of of you to use these templates (from me and others) and make your own and share.  I also figure if more of us go to class with great activities, then more discussion higher up about native speakers "effectiveness" will be had.  When pressure to cut or not raise wages come along, we need more people to see our value.  Many think we are lazy and ill prepared.  Some of us are. 

Don't coast on whatever you can download from here.  (I know it isn't everyone.)  Instead take these and use the best activities to scroll through your books to make your own.  Also you can adapt what I have uploaded for Cheonje and one of the YBM books for the Daekyo and other YBM elementary book.  Also, some games like telepathy, lotto, jeapardy type games are good for middle school too.  (Use the templates.) 

Scrolling through the teachers guidebooks to find vocabulary and basic expressions plus adding some of your own (for the few higher level kids) is easy enough to do.  Take the best game ppts and re edit for your book and please share.  I worked hard so I opt not to share all the stuff I have created, but have shared a sampling because it is in my own self interest if more of you go to class well prepared with good activities and also if you greet the kids a bit so they go home and brag to their parents about us.  Politicians listen to parents.  Also teachers who think we are "useful" if there are more of them can argue back against those voices who say we are not necessary. 

I have had parents in the past who spoke English tell me their kids talk about me.  I was in a rural city so it was smaller and feedback was more possible.  A few parents ran a shop and spoke some English.  Some had parents who worked at the local education office.  In bigger cities you get less feedback that way, but it is there even if you don't hear it.  Being well prepared and being perceived to be hard working in the eyes of many Koreans does earn respect.  Many have the stereotype we are lazy and entitled.  Of course there will always be unappeasable a holes.  But those voices can be overcome by having more and more people on your or our sides. 

I don't mention any of this about myself to brag.  (I have definitely had my own lazy periods in the past by my own admission.)  But, if more work hard, have good materials, are liked by the kids, it does bode well for us as I said to not be cut and to get a raise soon which we will need.  (My level 1+, renewal allowance, multiple school allowance, and occasional overtime put me into the low to middle 3.0's averaged out per month.  But even I will soon find it too expensive.  Will want a raise soon.  Many of the rest of you will need one yesterday.)  Not only do we need not to be cut but to get a raise.  Honestly, if one doesn't come in the next year or two, I may have to switch countries. 

Anyways, Korea is not the only gig in town anymore.  If I were offered a job of 2.1 to 2.3 which are 2007 wages, I'd walk away.  Other countries pay that and have a much cheaper living cost meaning you can save much more money.  I took 2.1 million a month which was 2.9 million in todays wages when I was young.  With inflation I have only had a small raise, but that is slowly being chipped away at.  I know my worth and wouldn't accept any less.  I work hard and am fun for the kids.  Pay me what I'm worth or go pound sand.  Sorry to get off on a tangent.  Sorry some of you guys are getting cut.  You should ride the recruiter for giving you last minute notice and argue with them stubbornly insisting they find you another job there or in another province.  Also make sure you tell your students who speak English you won't be there next year because the new Democratic party Mayor cut the funding for you.  (Hopefully the kids will go home and tell their parents.  Might not save you but may cause spending to ramp up again soon for others.)  Get the D10 Visa and try to keep your accomodation for a couple of months when done.  Hang out finish your deeds here and go to Vietnam or China make some more money too.  Good luck. 
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: Ronnie Omelettes on December 04, 2019, 08:50:17 am
So why can't they call another province that is hiring and get them a job there?  Pretty lazy and ignorant on their part. 

Ulsan is a metropolitan city.  It'd be like Busan reducing their teacher numbers and asking Gyeongsan-nam do, if they want them, knowing that Gyeongsan-nam has already reduced their native teacher numbers.  Wishful thinking.  Metropolitans and provinces don't have that kind of discourse.  Living in a province that did these whole merry-go-round firings five years ago, I'm surprised that people are still amazed that this happens.  Other provinces did this yonks ago.   
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: CO2 on December 04, 2019, 09:35:38 am
So why can't they call another province that is hiring and get them a job there?  Pretty lazy and ignorant on their part. 

Ulsan is a metropolitan city.  It'd be like Busan reducing their teacher numbers and asking Gyeongsan-nam do, if they want them, knowing that Gyeongsan-nam has already reduced their native teacher numbers.  Wishful thinking.  Metropolitans and provinces don't have that kind of discourse.  Living in a province that did these whole merry-go-round firings five years ago, I'm surprised that people are still amazed that this happens.  Other provinces did this yonks ago.   

A lot of people think that the big cities are part of the province. They are completely separate entities. Culturally, linguistically, yeah, Daegu is Gyeongsang.

But in any sort of meaningful administrative way............ Completely seperate.

Some people tell me that Seoul is in Gyeonggi-do and................ no. I mean, physically, yeah. haha, It's WITHIN the province but they have absolutely nothing to do with each other.

My city kakao group chat were talking about this recently. My friend has a friend that lives in HBC........... and she writes Gyeonggi-do in her address. Like............... ... wot? She said that her landlord told her to write it like that.

She gets her mail fine, but only because the post office people aren't morons, haha. 
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: hangook77 on December 04, 2019, 02:08:42 pm
They still fall under the EPIK umbrella.  Also, don't you think Korean teachers would prefer a teacher who's taught in Korea already rather than a newbie?  I mean do you think the K teachers like having to hold the hand and translate a lot for a new teacher?  Do you think they enjoy going to the cell phone shop to help them get a phone contract and other such things?  A teacher already in Korea and partially set up would be easier for them.  I really am surprised the teachers themselves don't tell EPIK to send them an experienced teacher to avoid this hassle.  All EPIK has to do is see which province has a surplus due to cutbacks and transfer them elsewhere.  Also, it saves them interview time and having to do more paperwork.  Common sense need not apply in Korea.  Why keep it simple when you can just jump through hoops and make more work for yourself?  Dumb!   
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: CO2 on December 04, 2019, 02:35:40 pm
They still fall under the EPIK umbrella.  Also, don't you think Korean teachers would prefer a teacher who's taught in Korea already rather than a newbie?  I mean do you think the K teachers like having to hold the hand and translate a lot for a new teacher?  Do you think they enjoy going to the cell phone shop to help them get a phone contract and other such things?  A teacher already in Korea and partially set up would be easier for them.  I really am surprised the teachers themselves don't tell EPIK to send them an experienced teacher to avoid this hassle.  All EPIK has to do is see which province has a surplus due to cutbacks and transfer them elsewhere.  Also, it saves them interview time and having to do more paperwork.  Common sense need not apply in Korea.  Why keep it simple when you can just jump through hoops and make more work for yourself?  Dumb!   

 :police: I have been teaching here for 7 years. I have not left. It has been unbroken, save for the odd vacation. I live here.

 :shocked: WeLl, we StILl NeEd 2 SeE yOuR uNi dEgReE anD yoUR CrIMiNAl RecOrd cHeCk.

I don't understand this. Every damn year. Immigration should have a thing in our records. I can't fukking UNgraduate uni. I am a graduate. Always will be. And if I've lived here continuously, then how the hell could I get a criminal record in Canada? Cuz, you know............ I'd be here. And even if I went back for a week and murdered someone...........

THAT'S WHAT EXTRADITION IS FOR. I'd be sent back the MOMENT I was requested by the Canadian government.

I WILL ALWAYS BE SOMEONE WHO HAS GRADUATED UNI.

Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: hangook77 on December 04, 2019, 02:51:49 pm
They still fall under the EPIK umbrella.  Also, don't you think Korean teachers would prefer a teacher who's taught in Korea already rather than a newbie?  I mean do you think the K teachers like having to hold the hand and translate a lot for a new teacher?  Do you think they enjoy going to the cell phone shop to help them get a phone contract and other such things?  A teacher already in Korea and partially set up would be easier for them.  I really am surprised the teachers themselves don't tell EPIK to send them an experienced teacher to avoid this hassle.  All EPIK has to do is see which province has a surplus due to cutbacks and transfer them elsewhere.  Also, it saves them interview time and having to do more paperwork.  Common sense need not apply in Korea.  Why keep it simple when you can just jump through hoops and make more work for yourself?  Dumb!   

 :police: I have been teaching here for 7 years. I have not left. It has been unbroken, save for the odd vacation. I live here.

 :shocked: WeLl, we StILl NeEd 2 SeE yOuR uNi dEgReE anD yoUR CrIMiNAl RecOrd cHeCk.

I don't understand this. Every damn year. Immigration should have a thing in our records. I can't fukking UNgraduate uni. I am a graduate. Always will be. And if I've lived here continuously, then how the hell could I get a criminal record in Canada? Cuz, you know............ I'd be here. And even if I went back for a week and murdered someone...........

THAT'S WHAT EXTRADITION IS FOR. I'd be sent back the MOMENT I was requested by the Canadian government.

I WILL ALWAYS BE SOMEONE WHO HAS GRADUATED UNI.



Logic and Korea go together like Oil and Water.  Think I have been asked a couple of times. But a few years ago I got another copy of degree, transcripts, and criminal check.  This time the Provincial Education Office kept it themselves.  So,now they have it on record.  They shouldn't have to ask me anymore.  (But, knock on wood.) 
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: Ronnie Omelettes on December 04, 2019, 03:03:56 pm
I WILL ALWAYS BE SOMEONE WHO HAS GRADUATED UNI.

Right, so get a t-shirt printed every year with your Fine Arts graduation certificate on it.  Or better still get a tattoo on your back of your Fine Arts graduation certificate that the Canadian Embassy has notorised somehow.  Then on your forehead get a tattoo saying 'Not committed a crime anywhere for _____ days', making sure to update the numbers each day.  Seriously, you'll thank me in the long run for how much less hassle you'll get as the years roll by.  But make sure you leave before you get a wrinkly back and you're left with a F Arts graduation certificate.  No one wants to see that. 
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: NorthStar on December 04, 2019, 03:55:46 pm
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They still fall under the EPIK umbrella.  Also, don't you think Korean teachers would prefer a teacher who's taught in Korea already rather than a newbie?  I mean do you think the K teachers like having to hold the hand and translate a lot for a new teacher?  Do you think they enjoy going to the cell phone shop to help them get a phone contract and other such things?  A teacher already in Korea and partially set up would be easier for them.  I really am surprised the teachers themselves don't tell EPIK to send them an experienced teacher to avoid this hassle.  All EPIK has to do is see which province has a surplus due to cutbacks and transfer them elsewhere.  Also, it saves them interview time and having to do more paperwork.  Common sense need not apply in Korea.  Why keep it simple when you can just jump through hoops and make more work for yourself?  Dumb! 


I think, that Korean staff loves having a newbie....easy to bully, push around and take advantage of.
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: oglop on December 04, 2019, 07:18:10 pm
Also, don't you think Korean teachers would prefer a teacher who's taught in Korea already rather than a newbie?  I mean do you think the K teachers like having to hold the hand and translate a lot for a new teacher? 
they probably want someone who will do what they're told without asking too many questions or fighting back, so somebody new to korea/teaching. and someone they can pay a lower wage
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: hangook77 on December 10, 2019, 12:44:21 pm
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They still fall under the EPIK umbrella.  Also, don't you think Korean teachers would prefer a teacher who's taught in Korea already rather than a newbie?  I mean do you think the K teachers like having to hold the hand and translate a lot for a new teacher?  Do you think they enjoy going to the cell phone shop to help them get a phone contract and other such things?  A teacher already in Korea and partially set up would be easier for them.  I really am surprised the teachers themselves don't tell EPIK to send them an experienced teacher to avoid this hassle.  All EPIK has to do is see which province has a surplus due to cutbacks and transfer them elsewhere.  Also, it saves them interview time and having to do more paperwork.  Common sense need not apply in Korea.  Why keep it simple when you can just jump through hoops and make more work for yourself?  Dumb! 


I think, that Korean staff loves having a newbie....easy to bully, push around and take advantage of.

I can tell you my schools love not having to hold my hand and translate for me everywhere, help me get a phone, going to immigration, medical check, getting them to speak with my landlord, or even having to find a place for the foreign teacher.  But some teachers like taking on the extra work.  The Korean teachers on the ground would be making more work for themselves if they changed the teacher often.  But the education office may selfishly not care.  More K teachers should push back against that.  Experienced teachers can be much more independant and do many things themselves and don't need their hand held.    As for a lower wage, anyone who comes here for 2.1 young or old is a moron and lacking in too many brain cells.  With the exchange rate, you won't pay off your student loans very quickly with that.  (But, I guess they don't teach math or numbers in school anymore.)
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: Cohort 2019 on December 11, 2019, 01:04:27 am
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independant

Why did you Trump-autocorrect that?

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Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: hangook77 on December 19, 2019, 01:00:59 pm
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independant

Why did you Trump-autocorrect that?

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Are you an utter waffle?   Typing fast and misspelling a word no one except you gives a darn about.  Quit trolling.  Typical arrogant leftist picking apart one word and assuming everyone except him is dumb. 

*Edited for language.
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: hangook77 on December 19, 2019, 01:03:59 pm
Anyways, EPIK should find you another position.  The Democratic party won there and they always seem to cut the positions whenever they take over local government.  The other party seems more foreign friendly.  It's rare for them to win in that part of the country.  So, positions may be restored someday. 

Check the China job board.  Some good paying jobs listed over on Daves.  Guess, it's what I'd do if I got laid off and may still do if they don't raise the salaries in the next 2 to 3 years.  (Getting too expensive here.)
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: L I on December 21, 2019, 08:41:38 pm
(Getting too expensive here.)

Bananas, potatoes and tomatoes in Seoul were the most expensive in the world, oranges and apples were the second most expensive, while beef was the third most expensive. Prices of lettuce and onions (fifth), cheese (sixth) and milk (seventh) were also high.

http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2019/09/17/2019091701287.html

"A standard farm in the U.S. measures 185 hectares, but they are only 1.5 hectares in Korea."

But Korea's retail market structure is also more complicated, with middlemen often getting in the way of fair prices. In foreign countries, large farms sell products directly to retailers, but the Korean market for fresh produce is still dominated by wholesale merchants.

Kim Hyeon-seok at Seoul National University said, "Large businesses handle production and distribution in foreign countries, thereby achieving an economy of scale, but the Korean market is still small, while some products like Korean beef are kept expensive by simply pitching the home brand premium."
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: Cohort 2019 on December 21, 2019, 10:16:20 pm

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independant


Are you an asshole?    Typing fast and misspelling a word no one except you gives a shit about.  Quit trolling.  Typical arrogant leftist picking apart one word and assuming everyone except him is dumb.

lol...

Just wondering because you teach English...

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 :azn:
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: waygo0k on December 22, 2019, 01:15:54 pm
There are places in the world with more expensive beef than Korea???  :huh: :huh: :huh:
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: CO2 on December 22, 2019, 01:22:27 pm
There are places in the world with more expensive beef than Korea???  :huh: :huh: :huh:

Pitcairn Islands.
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: NorthStar on December 22, 2019, 02:25:56 pm
There are places in the world with more expensive beef than Korea???  :huh: :huh: :huh:

Pitcairn Islands.

Speaking of beef in Korea.....WTF is up with Emart?

The Emart where I am at, provides these really attractive, well marbled cuts of Korean beef (which, nobody in the world really cares about, in terms of quality) but yet, when it comes to the foreign beef, they are packaged as a sloppy after thought. 

I asked them as to why this is....nothing..the workers pretend to be aloof. 

I asked to have a certain cut, but with some Aussie beef...eyes glaze over, the Korean stare commences. 

FFS

Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: Chinguetti on December 22, 2019, 03:19:32 pm
Kim Hyeon-seok at Seoul National University said, "Large businesses handle production and distribution in foreign countries, thereby achieving an economy of scale, but the Korean market is still small, while some products like Korean beef are kept expensive by simply pitching the home brand premium."[/font]

Yeah, have to say that a lot of folks here truly believe that Korean beef is superior to all other beef. Despite having lived here for years, I'm constantly being asked how good Korean beef is, and, honestly, I've had much better in Texas.

Korean beef is just like any other local beef, and it varies in quality just as much as it does anywhere else. Wagyu beef is worlds better than even the highest quality Korean beef I've had, though. But I'll never tell a non-family Korean that, lol.
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: kyndo on December 22, 2019, 03:33:48 pm
Pitcairn Islands.
After extensive wikiing of the Pitcairn and Norfolk Islands, I am now an expert on all things Pitcairnian. I owe all of this to you, CO2. Thank you so much.
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: oglop on December 22, 2019, 03:33:57 pm
"korean beef is best beef"

> proceeds to overcook it on the bbq and slather it in an overpowering sauce, so you can't actually taste the beef
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: CO2 on December 22, 2019, 05:17:17 pm
"korean beef is best beef"

> proceeds to overcook it on the bbq and slather it in an overpowering sauce, so you can't actually taste the beef

Had hanwoo last night. Gf bought it. 8만원.

I cooked it. Haha no black marks. Cook it on the coals, let it get nice and brown with some 마야드 and done.

This isn't to say that my gf can't cook beef, but man, I like to take the reins in that one. She don't mind, makes her night easier.
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: hangook77 on December 23, 2019, 01:50:23 pm

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independant


Are you an asshole?    Typing fast and misspelling a word no one except you gives a shit about.  Quit trolling.  Typical arrogant leftist picking apart one word and assuming everyone except him is dumb.

lol...

Just wondering because you teach English...

(https://sugargeekshow.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/marshmallow-fondant-recipe.jpg)

 :azn:

Just wondering if being obnoxious makes you popular. 
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: Cohort 2019 on December 23, 2019, 05:45:08 pm
That one is not just a word. It's the name of the most important holiday of the US. and it plays a major part in US. culture and philosophy.  It is just really weird you misspelled that word, making me think you have taught it as such for the past few decades that you have been a teacher in Korea.

Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: hangook77 on December 24, 2019, 08:37:22 am
That one is not just a word. It's the name of the most important holiday of the US. and it plays a major part in US. culture and philosophy.  It is just really weird you misspelled that word, making me think you have taught it as such for the past few decades that you have been a teacher in Korea.



Only geeks and nerds care if a word gets misspelled once in a while.    By the way 'misspelled' was autocorrected by windows spell check.  You got OCD or something. 
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: kyndo on December 24, 2019, 08:47:19 am
That one is not just a word. It's the name of the most important holiday of the US. and it plays a major part in US. culture and philosophy.  It is just really weird you misspelled that word, making me think you have taught it as such for the past few decades that you have been a teacher in Korea.
I don't think Hangook is American, so it probably isn't quite as huge a deal for him as it would be for you. Also, as a non USAer, he probably wouldn't be teaching about Independence day to his students, so they dodged that bullet.  :smiley:

Only geeks and nerds care if a word gets misspelled once in a while.
And English teachers. We care.
    Incorrect grammar gets the lash, misspelt words get a caning, textese gets a half-day in the stocks, and improper punctuation gets you a month of being forced to moderate political threads on Waygook.
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: oglop on December 24, 2019, 10:38:43 am
That one is not just a word. It's the name of the most important holiday of the US. and it plays a major part in US. culture and philosophy.  It is just really weird you misspelled that word, making me think you have taught it as such for the past few decades that you have been a teacher in Korea.


wtf are you talking about. this post belongs on https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitAmericansSay/

Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: madison79 on January 07, 2020, 11:31:56 am
I was telling a friend about how I came into work with no contract and I was like "Do I work here?"  Even asked the Headteacher this and she was like yeah. 
Title: Re: The crazy dance of renewal
Post by: Allpointseast on January 13, 2020, 08:45:44 pm
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Year-long contracts are basically to enslave the workforce and keep them on their toes.

There may be some truth in that. I once worked at a private middle school where most of the Korean teachers were on one year contracts. I soon realised that beneath the calm surface, there was tension in the staffroom. The Korean teachers themselves were going through "the crazy dance of renewal," and were anxious about the future and hanging on the principal's every word, in the hope of impressing him. The thing was that very few of them got tenure. Indeed, a Korean teacher would have to go through 4 one year contracts before tenure was even possible. I heard that one co-teacher had been there 4 years, was offered a fifth one year contract and then fired. That happened to other people too.

The thing is that Korean teachers who don't get tenure don't get the full benefits of the job. I'm guessing that all these one year salaries might mean they are on a lower pay scale, but I don't know for sure. The result is tension, embitterment and an inability to plan for the long-term.

At least we foreigners usually gt a free apartment. That's one of decreasing number of things that makes teaching here worthwhile.