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Title: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: minmei on October 08, 2019, 04:52:22 pm
I am currently working in a public school in gapyeong-gun.  Recently, my principal approached me with a paper printed on Microsoft word. It was basically a  resignation letter that he had written for me. He explained that the school has lost budget and they can only afford to pay 11 months of my 12 month contract.  So, they were gonna have to let me go without my severance pay or flight ticket home. It sounded fishy so I contacted gepik office. Lo and behold after speaking to gepik, they miraculously found the money to pay my last month. My question is what incentives does a public school have to do something like this? It's my understanding that 11 month firings only happened in hagwons. I thought my salary was paid by the office of education. They don't pay me directly and will not lose money by just paying me what they owe. Does anyone know why a public school would do this?
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: waygo0k on October 08, 2019, 06:00:42 pm
There could be a million different reasons.

Perhaps they wanted to allocate the remainder of their NET budget to another part of the school.

Or perhaps the principal wants to get a swanky new curved TV for his office.

Or maybe the school needs a new pint job.
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: thunderlips on October 08, 2019, 06:28:49 pm
Probably the principal figured out a way to pocket some the money. They are almost as notorious as hagwon owners. If you renew be sure to change schools.
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: Chinguetti on October 09, 2019, 01:28:52 am
Your salary IS paid for by the office of education. The school receives the money well in advance, and the principal is supposed to sign off on it so that the school's admin can transfer it into your account.

The principal was just being a dishonest asshat and was trying to embezzle the funds. This sort of thing is not as common in public schools as it is in private schools because it's a lot harder to get away with it, but it doesn't stop some idiots from trying.

Do as thunderlips says, request to change schools once the time comes. Submit a formal complaint on your way out, if you can.
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: NorthStar on October 09, 2019, 10:08:38 am
Your salary IS paid for by the office of education. The school receives the money well in advance, and the principal is supposed to sign off on it so that the school's admin can transfer it into your account.

The principal was just being a dishonest asshat and was trying to embezzle the funds. This sort of thing is not as common in public schools as it is in private schools because it's a lot harder to get away with it, but it doesn't stop some idiots from trying.

Do as thunderlips says, request to change schools once the time comes. Submit a formal complaint on your way out, if you can.

Hang on....if you receive everything, and I mean EVERYTHING owed to you ON TIME, then just move on without causing a fuss...well, that is what I recommend.   When you change schools, the new one will certainly want a letter of reference....and even if you are the honest broker and the principle is  a tosser, the situation can easily be painted to project you as a trouble maker. 

That is only my opinion....


Public schools used to be THE place to to work...now, they are just as bad as hagwons.
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: Chinguetti on October 09, 2019, 03:05:00 pm
Hang on....if you receive everything, and I mean EVERYTHING owed to you ON TIME, then just move on without causing a fuss...well, that is what I recommend.   When you change schools, the new one will certainly want a letter of reference....and even if you are the honest broker and the principle is  a tosser, the situation can easily be painted to project you as a trouble maker. 

That is only my opinion....


Public schools used to be THE place to to work...now, they are just as bad as hagwons.

I disagree with all of this. Public schools are definitely much more stable places to work than hagwons, and it IS a lot more difficult for dishonest folk working in public schools to steal from NETs. The attempted 11th month firing fraud that the OP is talking about is incredibly rare in public schools because it's basically impossible to get away with it unless the NET is extremely gullible and doesn't ask questions. It illustrates just how stupid the OP's principal is. His attempt was just so goddamn outrageous, and it speaks volumes about what kind of person he is.

If the OP was placed by GEPIK or EPIK, (s)he won't need a letter of reference. But even if (s)he does need one, it doesn't need to come from the principal. Literally anyone else that works at the school can provide one. And, honestly, would you trust that principal to give a proper reference? He's probably salty that his ploy failed to work.

The principal tried to steal from the OP in a very blatant act of fraud. And that isn't a private matter. It's a criminal one. It's in the education office's best interest to know what he tried to do. It doesn't matter that the OP eventually got paid because it wasn't because the principal decided to do the right thing -- he didn't have a choice. He tried and failed to steal from the NET, and when the NET questioned his claim and involved another person, there was only one recourse left to him.

I'd file the complaint so that they have that shit on file. This isn't a small issue. It's pretty ****** serious, and they either need to fire that principal, or they need to keep a close eye on him.

You're right, though, in many cases the situation can be flipped on the victim if the wrong people are in charge, and I can imagine the principal claiming that it was only a misunderstanding.

I guess that's for the OP to discuss with his/her coordinator. They might have already put this on file, or even begun some kind of process regarding it.
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: Chinguetti on October 09, 2019, 03:36:50 pm
There's also a small chance that the principal just doesn't like the OP and wanted to screw him/her in some way, even if it means cheating them out of a month's pay + severance. Like he didn't think the OP was worth the money, turned it into some kind of personal vendetta, and tried to use an 11th month firing to play it out. I seriously doubt this is what motivated it, but it wouldn't surprise me if he tried to use it as justification.
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: minmei on October 09, 2019, 04:05:57 pm
Hang on....if you receive everything, and I mean EVERYTHING owed to you ON TIME, then just move on without causing a fuss...well, that is what I recommend.   When you change schools, the new one will certainly want a letter of reference....and even if you are the honest broker and the principle is  a tosser, the situation can easily be painted to project you as a trouble maker. 

That is only my opinion....


Public schools used to be THE place to to work...now, they are just as bad as hagwons.

I disagree with all of this. Public schools are definitely much more stable places to work than hagwons, and it IS a lot more difficult for dishonest folk working in public schools to steal from NETs. The attempted 11th month firing fraud that the OP is talking about is incredibly rare in public schools because it's basically impossible to get away with it unless the NET is extremely gullible and doesn't ask questions. It illustrates just how stupid the OP's principal is. His attempt was just so goddamn outrageous, and it speaks volumes about what kind of person he is.

If the OP was placed by GEPIK or EPIK, (s)he won't need a letter of reference. But even if (s)he does need one, it doesn't need to come from the principal. Literally anyone else that works at the school can provide one. And, honestly, would you trust that principal to give a proper reference? He's probably salty that his ploy failed to work.

The principal tried to steal from the OP in a very blatant act of fraud. And that isn't a private matter. It's a criminal one. It's in the education office's best interest to know what he tried to do. It doesn't matter that the OP eventually got paid because it wasn't because the principal decided to do the right thing -- he didn't have a choice. He tried and failed to steal from the NET, and when the NET questioned his claim and involved another person, there was only one recourse left to him.

I'd file the complaint so that they have that shit on file. This isn't a small issue. It's pretty ****** serious, and they either need to fire that principal, or they need to keep a close eye on him.

You're right, though, in many cases the situation can be flipped on the victim if the wrong people are in charge, and I can imagine the principal claiming that it was only a misunderstanding.

I guess that's for the OP to discuss with his/her coordinator. They might have already put this on file, or even begun some kind of process regarding it.


I would like to thank you so much for your response. Actually, the only reason this whole thing got resolved was because I contacted the GEPIK coordinator and he came to personally talk with the principal in front of me. There was a lot of backsliding once he was in front of the cooridanators. He tried to flip the script and tell them I didnt work hard. That my afterschool class had low attendance so he had to take action blah blah. Bottom line GEPIK talked to him directly and he miraculously found the money for the 12 month and flight ticket the same day. I wasn't hired directly by GEPIK though. I found this job through a recruiter and signed a GEPIK contract but I didnt go through GEPIK orientation
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: minmei on October 09, 2019, 04:12:18 pm
There's also a small chance that the principal just doesn't like the OP and wanted to screw him/her in some way, even if it means cheating them out of a month's pay + severance. Like he didn't think the OP was worth the money, turned it into some kind of personal vendetta, and tried to use an 11th month firing to play it out. I seriously doubt this is what motivated it, but it wouldn't surprise me if he tried to use it as justification.


This doesn't seem
Hang on....if you receive everything, and I mean EVERYTHING owed to you ON TIME, then just move on without causing a fuss...well, that is what I recommend.   When you change schools, the new one will certainly want a letter of reference....and even if you are the honest broker and the principle is  a tosser, the situation can easily be painted to project you as a trouble maker. 

That is only my opinion....


Public schools used to be THE place to to work...now, they are just as bad as hagwons.

I disagree with all of this. Public schools are definitely much more stable places to work than hagwons, and it IS a lot more difficult for dishonest folk working in public schools to steal from NETs. The attempted 11th month firing fraud that the OP is talking about is incredibly rare in public schools because it's basically impossible to get away with it unless the NET is extremely gullible and doesn't ask questions. It illustrates just how stupid the OP's principal is. His attempt was just so goddamn outrageous, and it speaks volumes about what kind of person he is.

If the OP was placed by GEPIK or EPIK, (s)he won't need a letter of reference. But even if (s)he does need one, it doesn't need to come from the principal. Literally anyone else that works at the school can provide one. And, honestly, would you trust that principal to give a proper reference? He's probably salty that his ploy failed to work.

The principal tried to steal from the OP in a very blatant act of fraud. And that isn't a private matter. It's a criminal one. It's in the education office's best interest to know what he tried to do. It doesn't matter that the OP eventually got paid because it wasn't because the principal decided to do the right thing -- he didn't have a choice. He tried and failed to steal from the NET, and when the NET questioned his claim and involved another person, there was only one recourse left to him.

I'd file the complaint so that they have that shit on file. This isn't a small issue. It's pretty ****** serious, and they either need to fire that principal, or they need to keep a close eye on him.

You're right, though, in many cases the situation can be flipped on the victim if the wrong people are in charge, and I can imagine the principal claiming that it was only a misunderstanding.

I guess that's for the OP to discuss with his/her coordinator. They might have already put this on file, or even begun some kind of process regarding it.


I would like to thank you so much for your response. Actually, the only reason this whole thing got resolved was because I contacted the GEPIK coordinator and he came to personally talk with the principal in front of me. There was a lot of backsliding once he was in front of the cooridanators. He tried to flip the script and tell them I didnt work hard. That my afterschool class had low attendance so he had to take action blah blah. Bottom line GEPIK talked to him directly and he miraculously found the money for the 12 month and flight ticket the same day. I wasn't hired directly by GEPIK though. I found this job through a recruiter and signed a GEPIK contract but I didnt go through GEPIK orientation. The thing is the principal told the other Korean teachers not to talk to me anymore. He created a new policy that everything said to the NET has to be said in front of everyone. He told the coworkers that I was lazy and to monitor me. So, I doubt I'll get a good reference from anyone in that school. But if worst comes to worse, I'll just go home or look for a hagwon job. That is if another gepik school will not hire me
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: NorthStar on October 09, 2019, 05:30:54 pm
Hang on....if you receive everything, and I mean EVERYTHING owed to you ON TIME, then just move on without causing a fuss...well, that is what I recommend.   When you change schools, the new one will certainly want a letter of reference....and even if you are the honest broker and the principle is  a tosser, the situation can easily be painted to project you as a trouble maker. 

That is only my opinion....


Public schools used to be THE place to to work...now, they are just as bad as hagwons.

I disagree with all of this. Public schools are definitely much more stable places to work than hagwons, and it IS a lot more difficult for dishonest folk working in public schools to steal from NETs. The attempted 11th month firing fraud that the OP is talking about is incredibly rare in public schools because it's basically impossible to get away with it unless the NET is extremely gullible and doesn't ask questions. It illustrates just how stupid the OP's principal is. His attempt was just so goddamn outrageous, and it speaks volumes about what kind of person he is.

If the OP was placed by GEPIK or EPIK, (s)he won't need a letter of reference. But even if (s)he does need one, it doesn't need to come from the principal. Literally anyone else that works at the school can provide one. And, honestly, would you trust that principal to give a proper reference? He's probably salty that his ploy failed to work.

The principal tried to steal from the OP in a very blatant act of fraud. And that isn't a private matter. It's a criminal one. It's in the education office's best interest to know what he tried to do. It doesn't matter that the OP eventually got paid because it wasn't because the principal decided to do the right thing -- he didn't have a choice. He tried and failed to steal from the NET, and when the NET questioned his claim and involved another person, there was only one recourse left to him.

I'd file the complaint so that they have that shit on file. This isn't a small issue. It's pretty ****** serious, and they either need to fire that principal, or they need to keep a close eye on him.

You're right, though, in many cases the situation can be flipped on the victim if the wrong people are in charge, and I can imagine the principal claiming that it was only a misunderstanding.

I guess that's for the OP to discuss with his/her coordinator. They might have already put this on file, or even begun some kind of process regarding it.

OK..disagree.

Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: Chinguetti on October 09, 2019, 09:00:44 pm
I would like to thank you so much for your response. Actually, the only reason this whole thing got resolved was because I contacted the GEPIK coordinator and he came to personally talk with the principal in front of me. There was a lot of backsliding once he was in front of the cooridanators. He tried to flip the script and tell them I didnt work hard. That my afterschool class had low attendance so he had to take action blah blah. Bottom line GEPIK talked to him directly and he miraculously found the money for the 12 month and flight ticket the same day. I wasn't hired directly by GEPIK though. I found this job through a recruiter and signed a GEPIK contract but I didnt go through GEPIK orientation.

The thing is the principal told the other Korean teachers not to talk to me anymore. He created a new policy that everything said to the NET has to be said in front of everyone. He told the coworkers that I was lazy and to monitor me. So, I doubt I'll get a good reference from anyone in that school. But if worst comes to worse, I'll just go home or look for a hagwon job. That is if another gepik school will not hire me

Okay, then yeah, he got caught trying to embezzle funds, so now he's trying to save face by making you out to be the real problem here. He's probably afraid that word got out about what he tried to do, so now he's trying to do damage control to save whatever reputation he has. And to punish you for daring to stand up for yourself and go over his head. I mean, why couldn't you just take his word for it and let him steal your money, lol?

Record and document everything. It also sounds like he's giving you enough to sue for defamation, too, so you might consider consulting with a lawyer about it (just stay quiet about it if this is an option you're interested in looking into, don't even tell the coordinator about it). You can also continue speaking to that GEPIK coordinator who helped you and to get his/her input about the principal's current harassment. He's clearly trying to set you up so that he can justify rating you low enough to get you booted from the program. And you're still a part of the GEPIK program if you signed a GEPIK contract, even though you initially went through a recruiter. Both EPIK and GEPIK use recruiters to help fill their quotas. So don't watch and wait passively while this is going on. Keep your coordinator updated on what's going on.

Anyway, OP, I'm sorry you have to deal with that piece of shit.
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: NorthStar on October 10, 2019, 06:39:45 am
O.P.,

You have a just a few weeks to go....if the principle wants to play the "face" game and throw his toys in the play pen like a good Korean, to hell with him.  And, if the other Korean teachers cannot think for themselves and follow lock-step into his demands, to hell with them, too. 

Now, it is clear you will not receive any reference from the school.  But, you have the coordinator on your side (hopefully), whom of which, knows first hand what was going on.  So...you can just direct any curious party to him/her, when it comes to employment.  Anyone that can paint by numbers will be should be able to see though this....then again, this is Korea.

At this point...if you wanted to be prepared for any future fall out....it would not hurt to start the paperwork for legal complaints to expose this guy.  If he had just let it all go, no need.  But, he isn't so....perhaps an eye for an eye,in this case. 

However....check with your coordinator and see what he/she has to say.  If you WANT to stay with GEPIK and can slide into another spot somewhere without any hassle, then go for it.
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: Ronnie Omelettes on October 10, 2019, 07:17:18 am
Chinguetti is on the money here.  This kind of thing in public school is very rare as opposed to hagwons, and even now the Labour Office is wising up to 11th-month firings for people who want to stick around and fight it.  The thing is, he got caught from a 'higher up', which is always more difficult than in a hagwon. 

They received all the money for you at the beginning of the year so that is apportioned through the year.  Usually, a school submits a budget report in January for the money they need for you for the proceeding year, this would be minus the flight ticket which gets done in real-time as it's a variable amount or you may renew which means they request the renewal bonus for you instead.   

One thing I've noticed in Korea is this person is probably like this is other people too.  If you have bad students, then they're probably the same with other teachers too.  As in, don't take it to heart.  If it's your first year then maybe your Korean is not good enough to listen to other teachers talking, or you're not close to your co-workers yet, but usually, Koreans can be fairly blunt about higher-ups they don't like.  From experience, I'd say this guy is a sneaky twaat to everyone.

If you don't stay at this school, and leave for good, then write some letters to his superiors at local level and also others above him at the provincial level about this, making sure you 'cc' others so they know that others are receiving the same letter.  I did this years ago with a horrendous native teacher in my city.  I wrote what I wanted to say about an incident he was involved in, asked my really good Korean friend to translate it into Korean ( no point in sending an English letter to people who wouldn't have a good or any English ability), sent it off to his P,VP, co-teachers, the city coordinator, provincial supervisors and one at national level I think.  Letting them all know others had received it.  If you're leaving for good, that is. 
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: thunderlips on October 10, 2019, 07:36:17 am
Chinguetti is on the money here.  This kind of thing in public school is very rare as opposed to hagwons, and even now the Labour Office is wising up to 11th-month firings for people who want to stick around and fight it.  The thing is, he got caught from a 'higher up', which is always more difficult than in a hagwon. 

They received all the money for you at the beginning of the year so that is apportioned through the year.  Usually, a school submits a budget report in January for the money they need for you for the proceeding year, this would be minus the flight ticket which gets done in real-time as it's a variable amount or you may renew which means they request the renewal bonus for you instead.   

One thing I've noticed in Korea is this person is probably like this is other people too.  If you have bad students, then they're probably the same with other teachers too.  As in, don't take it to heart.  If it's your first year then maybe your Korean is not good enough to listen to other teachers talking, or you're not close to your co-workers yet, but usually, Koreans can be fairly blunt about higher-ups they don't like.  From experience, I'd say this guy is a sneaky twaat to everyone.

If you don't stay at this school, and leave for good, then write some letters to his superiors at local level and also others above him at the provincial level about this, making sure you 'cc' others so they know that others are receiving the same letter.  I did this years ago with a horrendous native teacher in my city.  I wrote what I wanted to say about an incident he was involved in, asked my really good Korean friend to translate it into Korean ( no point in sending an English letter to people who wouldn't have a good or any English ability), sent it off to his P,VP, co-teachers, the city coordinator, provincial supervisors and one at national level I think.  Letting them all know others had received it.  If you're leaving for good, that is. 


Oh shit Tekashi 69 in this mf!!  What did he do?
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: theman3285 on October 10, 2019, 08:28:42 am
Chinguetti is on the money here.  This kind of thing in public school is very rare as opposed to hagwons, and even now the Labour Office is wising up to 11th-month firings for people who want to stick around and fight it.  The thing is, he got caught from a 'higher up', which is always more difficult than in a hagwon. 

They received all the money for you at the beginning of the year so that is apportioned through the year.  Usually, a school submits a budget report in January for the money they need for you for the proceeding year, this would be minus the flight ticket which gets done in real-time as it's a variable amount or you may renew which means they request the renewal bonus for you instead.   

One thing I've noticed in Korea is this person is probably like this is other people too.  If you have bad students, then they're probably the same with other teachers too.  As in, don't take it to heart.  If it's your first year then maybe your Korean is not good enough to listen to other teachers talking, or you're not close to your co-workers yet, but usually, Koreans can be fairly blunt about higher-ups they don't like.  From experience, I'd say this guy is a sneaky twaat to everyone.

If you don't stay at this school, and leave for good, then write some letters to his superiors at local level and also others above him at the provincial level about this, making sure you 'cc' others so they know that others are receiving the same letter.  I did this years ago with a horrendous native teacher in my city.  I wrote what I wanted to say about an incident he was involved in, asked my really good Korean friend to translate it into Korean ( no point in sending an English letter to people who wouldn't have a good or any English ability), sent it off to his P,VP, co-teachers, the city coordinator, provincial supervisors and one at national level I think.  Letting them all know others had received it.  If you're leaving for good, that is. 


Oh shit Tekashi 69 in this mf!!  What did he do?
Also curious, haha
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: Ronnie Omelettes on October 10, 2019, 08:58:56 am
Oh shit Tekashi 69 in this mf!!  What did he do?
Also curious, haha

Basically, he was one of those disgusting people that most of us have encountered here in Korea at one time or another.  One of those that you shake your head and ask 'why do you keep renewing this person?'.  All of my other friends at that time who met him were kind of 'christ, he's disgusting!'  The long and the short of it was that he used to go out with another native teacher to 'booking rooms' in our small city.  On one occasion, he went out with his friend and when it came time to pay the bill, the owner said a price which he thought was 'too expensive', so it all ended up in a brawl where the police were called.  These two teachers spent the night in a cell.  Both of their co-teachers were called at 1am or some time late like that, to inform them they were in the cooler.  But nothing seemed to get done about it, as his principal seemed to have his back.  So basically, I wrote a letter outlining this event as a 'concerned citizen' to the parties involved as well as others.  That was it.  Thing was he was a fokcing cheapskate as in, he'd steal toilet paper and other stuff from school so he didn't have to buy it.  That is why the 'too expensive' night at the booking room is kind of ridiculous as he hated paying for anything.  When he was drinking outside of GS25, if his students came past, he'd give them alcohol.  :huh: There are other things about him that would make you go  :huh:.  All of what I wrote was factual as it was an official police incident, but like most things in Korea these can be swept under the rug by the powers that be.   :undecided:  He didn't get fired, he just wasn't renewed, which is fine by me.

Also on the letter writing thing, years ago at my countryside middle school, cars used to hoon down the road as my students walked down what was basically a non-pavement.  I could foresee a big accident involving my students.  So I wrote a letter to the myeon office, gun office and provincial office about putting in some traffic camera or some way of slowing down the traffic.  I always get the idea if I only send it to one they can just forget about it, but more than one makes things happen.  As there had been a couple of student deaths in my city from traffic driving too fast so I didn't want my students to be a statistic.  I got a letter back a week later saying there was no budget this year for a camera and because it was a main road they couldn't put down speed bumps, but would paint the road red.  At least I tried.   :undecided:  I got my Korean friend to write it for me but I used my own name this time.  Actually, when we had our school graduation a couple of years later, the 'myeong jang' came to give prizes and he actually remember that I'd written this letter.   :undecided:
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: Cmorgan on October 10, 2019, 09:29:23 am
Hang on....if you receive everything, and I mean EVERYTHING owed to you ON TIME, then just move on without causing a fuss...well, that is what I recommend.   When you change schools, the new one will certainly want a letter of reference....and even if you are the honest broker and the principle is  a tosser, the situation can easily be painted to project you as a trouble maker. 

That is only my opinion....


Public schools used to be THE place to to work...now, they are just as bad as hagwons.

I disagree with all of this. Public schools are definitely much more stable places to work than hagwons, and it IS a lot more difficult for dishonest folk working in public schools to steal from NETs. The attempted 11th month firing fraud that the OP is talking about is incredibly rare in public schools because it's basically impossible to get away with it unless the NET is extremely gullible and doesn't ask questions. It illustrates just how stupid the OP's principal is. His attempt was just so goddamn outrageous, and it speaks volumes about what kind of person he is.

If the OP was placed by GEPIK or EPIK, (s)he won't need a letter of reference. But even if (s)he does need one, it doesn't need to come from the principal. Literally anyone else that works at the school can provide one. And, honestly, would you trust that principal to give a proper reference? He's probably salty that his ploy failed to work.

The principal tried to steal from the OP in a very blatant act of fraud. And that isn't a private matter. It's a criminal one. It's in the education office's best interest to know what he tried to do. It doesn't matter that the OP eventually got paid because it wasn't because the principal decided to do the right thing -- he didn't have a choice. He tried and failed to steal from the NET, and when the NET questioned his claim and involved another person, there was only one recourse left to him.

I'd file the complaint so that they have that shit on file. This isn't a small issue. It's pretty ****** serious, and they either need to fire that principal, or they need to keep a close eye on him.

You're right, though, in many cases the situation can be flipped on the victim if the wrong people are in charge, and I can imagine the principal claiming that it was only a misunderstanding.

I guess that's for the OP to discuss with his/her coordinator. They might have already put this on file, or even begun some kind of process regarding it.


I would like to thank you so much for your response. Actually, the only reason this whole thing got resolved was because I contacted the GEPIK coordinator and he came to personally talk with the principal in front of me. There was a lot of backsliding once he was in front of the cooridanators. He tried to flip the script and tell them I didnt work hard. That my afterschool class had low attendance so he had to take action blah blah. Bottom line GEPIK talked to him directly and he miraculously found the money for the 12 month and flight ticket the same day. I wasn't hired directly by GEPIK though. I found this job through a recruiter and signed a GEPIK contract but I didnt go through GEPIK orientation

If you don't mind me asking what recruiter did you use? Please PM me!
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: thunderlips on October 10, 2019, 09:42:25 am
Oh shit Tekashi 69 in this mf!!  What did he do?
Also curious, haha

Basically, he was one of those disgusting people that most of us have encountered here in Korea at one time or another.  One of those that you shake your head and ask 'why do you keep renewing this person?'.  All of my other friends at that time who met him were kind of 'christ, he's disgusting!'  The long and the short of it was that he used to go out with another native teacher to 'booking rooms' in our small city.  On one occasion, he went out with his friend and when it came time to pay the bill, the owner said a price which he thought was 'too expensive', so it all ended up in a brawl where the police were called.  These two teachers spent the night in a cell.  Both of their co-teachers were called at 1am or some time late like that, to inform them they were in the cooler.  But nothing seemed to get done about it, as his principal seemed to have his back.  So basically, I wrote a letter outlining this event as a 'concerned citizen' to the parties involved as well as others.  That was it.  Thing was he was a fokcing cheapskate as in, he'd steal toilet paper and other stuff from school so he didn't have to buy it.  That is why the 'too expensive' night at the booking room is kind of ridiculous as he hated paying for anything.  When he was drinking outside of GS25, if his students came past, he'd give them alcohol.  :huh: There are other things about him that would make you go  :huh:.  All of what I wrote was factual as it was an official police incident, but like most things in Korea these can be swept under the rug by the powers that be.   :undecided:  He didn't get fired, he just wasn't renewed, which is fine by me.

Also on the letter writing thing, years ago at my countryside middle school, cars used to hoon down the road as my students walked down what was basically a non-pavement.  I could foresee a big accident involving my students.  So I wrote a letter to the myeon office, gun office and provincial office about putting in some traffic camera or some way of slowing down the traffic.  I always get the idea if I only send it to one they can just forget about it, but more than one makes things happen.  As there had been a couple of student deaths in my city from traffic driving too fast so I didn't want my students to be a statistic.  I got a letter back a week later saying there was no budget this year for a camera and because it was a main road they couldn't put down speed bumps, but would paint the road red.  At least I tried.   :undecided:  I got my Korean friend to write it for me but I used my own name this time.  Actually, when we had our school graduation a couple of years later, the 'myeong jang' came to give prizes and he actually remember that I'd written this letter.   :undecided:

Ah yeah good riddance. Perhaps you should incorporate letter writing in your lesson plans as it in now a lost art form. ;)
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: NorthStar on October 10, 2019, 11:30:48 am
Oh shit Tekashi 69 in this mf!!  What did he do?
Also curious, haha

Basically, he was one of those disgusting people that most of us have encountered here in Korea at one time or another.  One of those that you shake your head and ask 'why do you keep renewing this person?'.  All of my other friends at that time who met him were kind of 'christ, he's disgusting!'  The long and the short of it was that he used to go out with another native teacher to 'booking rooms' in our small city.  On one occasion, he went out with his friend and when it came time to pay the bill, the owner said a price which he thought was 'too expensive', so it all ended up in a brawl where the police were called.  These two teachers spent the night in a cell.  Both of their co-teachers were called at 1am or some time late like that, to inform them they were in the cooler.  But nothing seemed to get done about it, as his principal seemed to have his back.  So basically, I wrote a letter outlining this event as a 'concerned citizen' to the parties involved as well as others.  That was it.  Thing was he was a fokcing cheapskate as in, he'd steal toilet paper and other stuff from school so he didn't have to buy it.  That is why the 'too expensive' night at the booking room is kind of ridiculous as he hated paying for anything.  When he was drinking outside of GS25, if his students came past, he'd give them alcohol.  :huh: There are other things about him that would make you go  :huh:.  All of what I wrote was factual as it was an official police incident, but like most things in Korea these can be swept under the rug by the powers that be.   :undecided:  He didn't get fired, he just wasn't renewed, which is fine by me.

Also on the letter writing thing, years ago at my countryside middle school, cars used to hoon down the road as my students walked down what was basically a non-pavement.  I could foresee a big accident involving my students.  So I wrote a letter to the myeon office, gun office and provincial office about putting in some traffic camera or some way of slowing down the traffic.  I always get the idea if I only send it to one they can just forget about it, but more than one makes things happen.  As there had been a couple of student deaths in my city from traffic driving too fast so I didn't want my students to be a statistic.  I got a letter back a week later saying there was no budget this year for a camera and because it was a main road they couldn't put down speed bumps, but would paint the road red.  At least I tried.   :undecided:  I got my Korean friend to write it for me but I used my own name this time.  Actually, when we had our school graduation a couple of years later, the 'myeong jang' came to give prizes and he actually remember that I'd written this letter.   :undecided:

So...despite none of that being your problem, you decided to be a rat...and pat yourself on the back...pseudo-hero, going on about second/third-hand information. 
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: Kayos on October 10, 2019, 11:43:16 am
Oh shit Tekashi 69 in this mf!!  What did he do?
Also curious, haha

Basically, he was one of those disgusting people that most of us have encountered here in Korea at one time or another.  One of those that you shake your head and ask 'why do you keep renewing this person?'.  All of my other friends at that time who met him were kind of 'christ, he's disgusting!'  The long and the short of it was that he used to go out with another native teacher to 'booking rooms' in our small city.  On one occasion, he went out with his friend and when it came time to pay the bill, the owner said a price which he thought was 'too expensive', so it all ended up in a brawl where the police were called.  These two teachers spent the night in a cell.  Both of their co-teachers were called at 1am or some time late like that, to inform them they were in the cooler.  But nothing seemed to get done about it, as his principal seemed to have his back.  So basically, I wrote a letter outlining this event as a 'concerned citizen' to the parties involved as well as others.  That was it.  Thing was he was a fokcing cheapskate as in, he'd steal toilet paper and other stuff from school so he didn't have to buy it.  That is why the 'too expensive' night at the booking room is kind of ridiculous as he hated paying for anything.  When he was drinking outside of GS25, if his students came past, he'd give them alcohol.  :huh: There are other things about him that would make you go  :huh:.  All of what I wrote was factual as it was an official police incident, but like most things in Korea these can be swept under the rug by the powers that be.   :undecided:  He didn't get fired, he just wasn't renewed, which is fine by me.

Also on the letter writing thing, years ago at my countryside middle school, cars used to hoon down the road as my students walked down what was basically a non-pavement.  I could foresee a big accident involving my students.  So I wrote a letter to the myeon office, gun office and provincial office about putting in some traffic camera or some way of slowing down the traffic.  I always get the idea if I only send it to one they can just forget about it, but more than one makes things happen.  As there had been a couple of student deaths in my city from traffic driving too fast so I didn't want my students to be a statistic.  I got a letter back a week later saying there was no budget this year for a camera and because it was a main road they couldn't put down speed bumps, but would paint the road red.  At least I tried.   :undecided:  I got my Korean friend to write it for me but I used my own name this time.  Actually, when we had our school graduation a couple of years later, the 'myeong jang' came to give prizes and he actually remember that I'd written this letter.   :undecided:

So...despite none of that being your problem, you decided to be a rat...and pat yourself on the back...pseudo-hero, going on about second/third-hand information.

I get that 'no one likes a rat', but assuming he was middle or high school, giving alcohol to students is really bad.
I'm very rarely a tattle tale but, if I saw another teacher giving alcohol to under aged students, I would contact someone about it too.

Outside of school stuff things, like the booking room thing. Well, that's something for the authorities / their school (if they get involved) to decide what they want to do about it; But, it could make other NETs look bad too, even if they don't do that kinda stuff.
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: NorthStar on October 10, 2019, 11:56:51 am
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I get that 'no one likes a rat', but assuming he was middle or high school, giving alcohol to students is really bad.
I'm very rarely a tattle tale but, if I saw another teacher giving alcohol to under aged students, I would contact someone about it too.

Outside of school stuff things, like the booking room thing. Well, that's something for the authorities / their school (if they get involved) to decide what they want to do about it; But, it could make other NETs look bad too, even if they don't do that kinda stuff.

That is true...if one assumes that is what actually happened. 

I wonder why the OP didn't man-up and go tell the perp, face to face, that it is not a good idea to be doing that....IF that actually happened. 
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: Kayos on October 10, 2019, 12:00:03 pm
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I get that 'no one likes a rat', but assuming he was middle or high school, giving alcohol to students is really bad.
I'm very rarely a tattle tale but, if I saw another teacher giving alcohol to under aged students, I would contact someone about it too.

Outside of school stuff things, like the booking room thing. Well, that's something for the authorities / their school (if they get involved) to decide what they want to do about it; But, it could make other NETs look bad too, even if they don't do that kinda stuff.

That is true...if one assumes that is what actually happened. 

I wonder why the OP didn't man-up and go tell the perp, face to face, that it is not a good idea to be doing that....IF that actually happened.

Based on the story, it sounds like that teacher wouldn't have cared even if you told him to his face.
It's better to go to the people who can force the change, the education office, and have them look into the matter, and then force a change if needed.
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: Ronnie Omelettes on October 10, 2019, 12:01:14 pm
So...despite none of that being your problem, you decided to be a rat...and pat yourself on the back...pseudo-hero, going on about second/third-hand information. 

FYI, it was first-hand information, because the other native teacher's co-teacher who took the call at 1am, one of my very good friends, told me about this.   :undecided:

Work in a small town/city with a handful of native teachers and then you see what some idiots can do to your day to day living.   

As for a 'rat', not being of North American persuasion, that doesn't mean a thing to me. 
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: waygo0k on October 10, 2019, 12:02:42 pm
While I don't have a problem with said teacher going to room salons (consenting adults etc), giving underaged students alcohol is a massive red flag that should be dealt with swiftly and severely. Imagine if that had made the news.

Getting into a street brawl...well, that one is subjective. But based on this case and its merits (refused to pay for a service he willingly and knowingly hired, which resulted in physical altercation), yeah said NET also deserves swift and severe punishment.

I know of NETs and uni professors in different cities/provinces who have similar characteristics. They tend to be the ones that have been around since the golden (and subsequently 2MB boom) years.
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: Nokcha on October 10, 2019, 12:03:08 pm
Wow! This is, as others have said, probably really rare in public schools. My school is really strict about money as they're always worried they'll be checked up on by SMOE. And, my school has really good admin.  I'm going to assume this principal is now looking over his back wondering if his school will be monitored by the district. It'll do him some good. He is close to retirement? Maybe it's his last year and he thought he'd give it a go......
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: Ronnie Omelettes on October 10, 2019, 12:32:38 pm
While I don't have a problem with said teacher going to room salons (consenting adults etc), giving underaged students alcohol is a massive red flag that should be dealt with swiftly and severely. Imagine if that had made the news.

Getting into a street brawl...well, that one is subjective. But based on this case and its merits (refused to pay for a service he willingly and knowingly hired, which resulted in physical altercation), yeah said NET also deserves swift and severe punishment.

Exactly.  Native teachers can go to booking rooms, fine.  No problemo.  Adults n'all.  But in a small city, when you get idiots doing this kind of thing it affects how locals view the other foreigners in the city.  Almost all of us here know that physical altercations with the locals are dealt with way differently to how they're dealt with back home.  Especially, somewhere as seedy as a booking room. 

Wow! This is, as others have said, probably really rare in public schools. My school is really strict about money as they're always worried they'll be checked up on by SMOE. And, my school has really good admin.  I'm going to assume this principal is now looking over his back wondering if his school will be monitored by the district. It'll do him some good. He is close to retirement? Maybe it's his last year and he thought he'd give it a go......

That's the thing, these kinds of things happened quite a bit years ago, when some 'creative accounting' here and there was difficult to prove.  Nowadays, with the Kim Yeong Ran anti-bribery law in 2017, things like this are controlled and scrutinised more and are more difficult to get away with.  I get the feeling he thought he could bully the OP to cover it up.  I mean what would he have gained, 3.5/4 million (bonus+flight ticket) at the most?  I think also he'll be looking around a lot to see who's watching him. 
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: kyndo on October 10, 2019, 12:53:15 pm
So...despite none of that being your problem, you decided to be a rat...and pat yourself on the back...pseudo-hero, going on about second/third-hand information. 

FYI, it was first-hand information, because the other native teacher's co-teacher who took the call at 1am, one of my very good friends, told me about this.   :undecided:

Work in a small town/city with a handful of native teachers and then you see what some idiots can do to your day to day living.   

As for a 'rat', not being of North American persuasion, that doesn't mean a thing to me. 

I'd like to think that it also doesn't mean much to most North Americans.

       The whole "Snitches get stitches" attitude is sickening.
       Whether dealing with companies, governments, or individuals, whistle blowers etc do a huge service to society in general. I just don't understand why some people get so upset when somebody points out that somebody else is committing twattery.
       Just plain irrational.
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: thunderlips on October 10, 2019, 01:13:01 pm
Last month pay (2.1?) + severance + contract completion + flight = 6.1 to 8 million depending
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: NorthStar on October 10, 2019, 01:55:23 pm
So...despite none of that being your problem, you decided to be a rat...and pat yourself on the back...pseudo-hero, going on about second/third-hand information. 

FYI, it was first-hand information, because the other native teacher's co-teacher who took the call at 1am, one of my very good friends, told me about this.   :undecided:

Work in a small town/city with a handful of native teachers and then you see what some idiots can do to your day to day living.   

As for a 'rat', not being of North American persuasion, that doesn't mean a thing to me. 

I'd like to think that it also doesn't mean much to most North Americans.

       The whole "Snitches get stitches" attitude is sickening.
       Whether dealing with companies, governments, or individuals, whistle blowers etc do a huge service to society in general. I just don't understand why some people get so upset when somebody points out that somebody else is committing twattery.
       Just plain irrational.

It is not complex to figure out....you can call it "irrational" and polarize it all you want, but....it takes balls to go up to someone, confront them about the issue and handle it. 

Being puss-in-boots and writing a letter is cowardly. 
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: Ronnie Omelettes on October 10, 2019, 02:34:20 pm
So...despite none of that being your problem, you decided to be a rat...and pat yourself on the back...pseudo-hero, going on about second/third-hand information. 

FYI, it was first-hand information, because the other native teacher's co-teacher who took the call at 1am, one of my very good friends, told me about this.   :undecided:

Work in a small town/city with a handful of native teachers and then you see what some idiots can do to your day to day living.   

As for a 'rat', not being of North American persuasion, that doesn't mean a thing to me. 

I'd like to think that it also doesn't mean much to most North Americans.

       The whole "Snitches get stitches" attitude is sickening.
       Whether dealing with companies, governments, or individuals, whistle blowers etc do a huge service to society in general. I just don't understand why some people get so upset when somebody points out that somebody else is committing twattery.
       Just plain irrational.

It is not complex to figure out....you can call it "irrational" and polarize it all you want, but....it takes balls to go up to someone, confront them about the issue and handle it. 

Being puss-in-boots and writing a letter is cowardly. 

Erm, okay Tony Corleone.  I can see where you get your code of honour from.  I'd love to go up to a 50-something 'teacher' like him the day after he'd spent the night in a cell for starting a fight in a booking room and say things like, 'hey, wadda you do dat for? Come on buddie, get back on the straight and narrow'.   By your logic, the OP should have straight out gone to the prinicipal and pinned him up against the wall and saught answers for his 11th-month firing.  That would have worked well.  You do understand these things are case by case.  I'm all for being direct with people when I have to.  But this native teacher wasn't worth it, in the same way the principal was not worth going to with this.  You want to get something done, you be smart about what will get the best conclusion.   :undecided:
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: L I on October 10, 2019, 03:00:44 pm
Did your email letter accomplish anything? I'm guessing not, because you had no proof. Just that you heard something.
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: Ronnie Omelettes on October 10, 2019, 03:37:02 pm
Did your email letter accomplish anything? I'm guessing not, because you had no proof. Just that you heard something.

A:  It was a letter letter, not an email.  B:  After being renewed for four years, he was not renewed again, two months after this. C:  New teacher comes and asks what happened to the previous teacher, this was one of the reasons they told them.  D:  It was a small city, and in small city schools all teachers rotate often.  E:  As per D, I had a lot of friends who were teachers who also told me about this.  I'm not saying it was the sole reason, but it had something to do with it.  Seriously, unless you actually met him, you'd really question why anyone would let him anywhere near a job teaching kids.  Never before had I met such a person, and never since.  Like I said, if the OP had gone to the principal it would have achieved nothing with his 11th-month firing.  You do what gets the best outcome as showed with the OP getting things fixed.  I never had to see or hear of this twaat again, and the students at that school got a proper teacher.   All of us here have our freaky waygook stories, hence the mirth gleaned from such threads on daves, or was it expatkorea?  I can't remember. 
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: L I on October 10, 2019, 03:49:08 pm
How long ago was this? I heard 10+ years ago public school teachers were hired without an interview; they just had to send a copy of their diploma. (Incidentally, sometimes these diplomas were fake. Maybe that was the case.)
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: minmei on October 10, 2019, 03:58:05 pm
Wow! This is, as others have said, probably really rare in public schools. My school is really strict about money as they're always worried they'll be checked up on by SMOE. And, my school has really good admin.  I'm going to assume this principal is now looking over his back wondering if his school will be monitored by the district. It'll do him some good. He is close to retirement? Maybe it's his last year and he thought he'd give it a go......


But looking back, this school was really shady from the start. My co teacher would buy me lunch, take me to church, buy me gifts in order to get me to sign the contract. I thought the desperation was simply because my school is pretty rural. When I showed up to the interview to do the demo lesson, they told me I didnt have to do it. They can tell by my appearance I'd be a good teacher and had the contract ready to sign. I never sign any contract without looking at the apartment first. I feel like my home life is important and if I'm not living in a clean, sanitary place I just cant accept it. So, they showed me two crusty apartments. I told them I couldnt sign the contract. They got me a brand new apartment built in 2018. The desperation of the school was kind of fishy to me. Later, after working there a Korean teacher happened to mention that the foreigners tend to stay like 8 or 9 months. I don't know if this school has been doing this for a while now. Perhaps they hired fresh out of college kids that were gullible enough to fall for it? I don't know
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?(Message to Minmei)
Post by: Allpointseast on October 10, 2019, 09:05:25 pm
Minmei, thanks for your message. I may have dodged a bullet in this case,  :shocked: but I'll explain why later.   
Those of you who are old enough to remember the so-called "good old days" of teaching in Korea will remember a warning from the US Embassy in Seoul. It said that Americans were coming to Korea and being cheated. The warning even applied to public schools and universities, although I assume that in those cases, fewer problems were reported. It advised those planning to teach in South Korea to get testimonials from Americans who had worked at each school.

Now, about the Gapyeong school. I applied for that same job. At the end of January or early February 2018, I applied for a public school job in Gapyeong, Gyeonggi-do. It was through a recruiter-not GEPIK directly. I was slightly surprised that I would have to do an in-person interview and a demo lesson. I'm sure it was the same school you are at. It didn't seem like the other job applications. I had one more month on my hagwon contract, and I would have been allowed to take a day off. But the route across Gyeonggi-do was highly complex. Even so, I was very close to going there.

I could have been in your shoes. The same thing could have happened to me if I had gotten that job. But if you are finishing up at the end of this month, that leaves a gap between the end of February 2018 and late October 2018. Who was doing your job then? Didn't they fire someone? I remember that the job was still being advertised in March 2018.

My own feeling is that it's a private middle school. I know someone who works for one of those. She signed an EPIK contract, but it was a boarding school that took fees from parents. She was being paid by EPIK, but there were a few differences from normal public schools.

So, I think you are working for a private elementary.
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: minmei on October 10, 2019, 09:28:44 pm
Minmei, thanks for your message. I may have dodged a bullet in this case,  :shocked: but I'll explain why later.   
Those of you who are old enough to remember the so-called "good old days" of teaching in Korea will remember a warning from the US Embassy in Seoul. It said that Americans were coming to Korea and being cheated. The warning even applied to public schools and universities, although I assume that in those cases, fewer problems were reported. It advised those planning to teach in South Korea to get testimonials from Americans who had worked at each school.

Now, about the Gapyeong school. I applied for that same job. At the end of January or early February 2018, I applied for a public school job in Gapyeong, Gyeonggi-do. It was through a recruiter-not GEPIK directly. I was slightly surprised that I would have to do an in-person interview and a demo lesson. I'm sure it was the same school you are at. It didn't seem like the other job applications. I had one more month on my hagwon contract, and I would have been allowed to take a day off. But the route across Gyeonggi-do was highly complex. Even so, I was very close to going there.

I could have been in your shoes. The same thing could have happened to me if I had gotten that job. But if you are finishing up at the end of this month, that leaves a gap between the end of February 2018 and late October 2018. Who was doing your job then? Didn't they fire someone? I remember that the job was still being advertised in March 2018.

My own feeling is that it's a private middle school. I know someone who works for one of those. She signed an EPIK contract, but it was a boarding school that took fees from parents. She was being paid by EPIK, but there were a few differences from normal public schools.

So, I think you are working for a private elementary.

They went through two teachers during that time I believe. The co teacher told me they both resigned on their own due to personal problems but with the drama they put me through I'm sure there was some foul play at hand. Did the co teacher contact you and offer to buy you lunch and hang out beforehand?
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: minmei on October 10, 2019, 09:30:07 pm
Minmei, thanks for your message. I may have dodged a bullet in this case,  :shocked: but I'll explain why later.   
Those of you who are old enough to remember the so-called "good old days" of teaching in Korea will remember a warning from the US Embassy in Seoul. It said that Americans were coming to Korea and being cheated. The warning even applied to public schools and universities, although I assume that in those cases, fewer problems were reported. It advised those planning to teach in South Korea to get testimonials from Americans who had worked at each school.

Now, about the Gapyeong school. I applied for that same job. At the end of January or early February 2018, I applied for a public school job in Gapyeong, Gyeonggi-do. It was through a recruiter-not GEPIK directly. I was slightly surprised that I would have to do an in-person interview and a demo lesson. I'm sure it was the same school you are at. It didn't seem like the other job applications. I had one more month on my hagwon contract, and I would have been allowed to take a day off. But the route across Gyeonggi-do was highly complex. Even so, I was very close to going there.

I could have been in your shoes. The same thing could have happened to me if I had gotten that job. But if you are finishing up at the end of this month, that leaves a gap between the end of February 2018 and late October 2018. Who was doing your job then? Didn't they fire someone? I remember that the job was still being advertised in March 2018.

My own feeling is that it's a private middle school. I know someone who works for one of those. She signed an EPIK contract, but it was a boarding school that took fees from parents. She was being paid by EPIK, but there were a few differences from normal public schools.

So, I think you are working for a private elementary.

Also, when I went to do the demo lesson, the native teacher wasnt there at that time which now seems super suspicious
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: waygo0k on October 11, 2019, 07:40:24 am
Looks like Waygook.org has uncovered a public school money laundering scheme.

Now we need to find out where those forfeited funds went/are going.
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: NorthStar on October 11, 2019, 10:28:23 am
Looks like Waygook.org has uncovered a public school money laundering scheme.

Now we need to find out where those forfeited funds went/are going.

I don't think it is unheard of....though, perhaps not exactly the norm (or..perhaps just unknown or unseen by the native English speaker).  I've had friends who had both a fully furnished apartment AND classroom...with all the bells and whistles.  I've also known teachers that were expected to live in a converted tool shed behind the school and nothing in their classroom.

Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: waygo0k on October 11, 2019, 10:51:11 am
Apart from cheating the naive NET by providing substandard housing (while pocketing the rest of the housing allowance)...I donít think Iíve ever heard of a public school actively trying to dupe their NET into an 11th month resignation/firing.

As someone said, that is 6-8 million won in funds that NET is being cheated out of.
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: NorthStar on October 11, 2019, 11:28:32 am
Apart from cheating the naive NET by providing substandard housing (while pocketing the rest of the housing allowance)...I donít think Iíve ever heard of a public school actively trying to dupe their NET into an 11th month resignation/firing.

As someone said, that is 6-8 million won in funds that NET is being cheated out of.

Does not mean it doesn't happen.  Different sorts of phuck-phuck games go down.  Fro example, public schools hiring a teacher already in Korea, clearly stating that the airfare would be reimbursed (airfare to korea that the NET paid) upon visa issuance...clearly stated.  But, as soon as the visa was issued...that brevity turned into a "misunderstanding".  The list goes on.

Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: NorthStar on October 11, 2019, 11:31:56 am
Be that as it all is, or may....I do wonder if the dirt bag principle of the school in which is the subject of this post, was "inspired" by someone to try and pull this nonsense.  Perhaps he spoke with another principle, whom of which, was able to get a way with doing the same thing.  After all, despite information regarding the law being made to be more easily available, there are still folks that come here...having never head of Dave's ESL Cafe, Waygook.og, the Labor Standards Acts....and submit out of fear and/or ignorance of the law. 

I'm glad the OP did not acquiesce to that guy....
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: OnNut81 on October 11, 2019, 11:50:04 am
Apart from cheating the naive NET by providing substandard housing (while pocketing the rest of the housing allowance)...I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a public school actively trying to dupe their NET into an 11th month resignation/firing.

As someone said, that is 6-8 million won in funds that NET is being cheated out of.

Does not mean it doesn't happen.  Different sorts of phuck-phuck games go down.  Fro example, public schools hiring a teacher already in Korea, clearly stating that the airfare would be reimbursed (airfare to korea that the NET paid) upon visa issuance...clearly stated.  But, as soon as the visa was issued...that brevity turned into a "misunderstanding".  The list goes on.



Which public schools contracts "clearly state" airfare will be reimbursed to the NET if they are already in the country?  Not saying, you're wrong, but I've been with GEPIK and three different city halls in Gyeonggi and it has always been clear that airfare is not paid to someone hired in-country. 

I have also never heard of a principal trying to pull a fast one like this dirt bag clearly tried to do.  He must be steaming that he didn't get a pay day and his antics may have put him under someone's microscope, or at least on the radar.  Of course, there is creative accounting and gifts for allowing afterschool programs on occasion, but this blatant an attempt to steal and defraud I have never heard of. 
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: minmei on October 11, 2019, 01:45:51 pm
Be that as it all is, or may....I do wonder if the dirt bag principle of the school in which is the subject of this post, was "inspired" by someone to try and pull this nonsense.  Perhaps he spoke with another principle, whom of which, was able to get a way with doing the same thing.  After all, despite information regarding the law being made to be more easily available, there are still folks that come here...having never head of Dave's ESL Cafe, Waygook.og, the Labor Standards Acts....and submit out of fear and/or ignorance of the law. 

I'm glad the OP did not acquiesce to that guy....


That is really funny that you said this! This incident happened not too long after a new VP was hired
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: belo horizonte on October 11, 2019, 06:09:02 pm
Basically, he was one of those disgusting people that most of us have encountered here in Korea at one time or another.

Yeah I've met plenty of them, however 'disgusting' is highly subjective and oddly I've never had the urge meddle with someone else's job renewal. But well done for being a good citizen.

You'd really love China's social credit system, have you thought about teaching there? Before you ask, yes they do have rankings for foreign workers. With a bit of effort you might be able to attain a Tier B work permit, which would no doubt make you feel quite satisfied knowing you are an above average foreigner.

https://www.china-briefing.com/news/china-work-permits-are-you-a-b-c-tier-talent/
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: minmei on October 12, 2019, 12:01:55 am
O.P.,

You have a just a few weeks to go....if the principle wants to play the "face" game and throw his toys in the play pen like a good Korean, to hell with him.  And, if the other Korean teachers cannot think for themselves and follow lock-step into his demands, to hell with them, too. 

Now, it is clear you will not receive any reference from the school.  But, you have the coordinator on your side (hopefully), whom of which, knows first hand what was going on.  So...you can just direct any curious party to him/her, when it comes to employment.  Anyone that can paint by numbers will be should be able to see though this....then again, this is Korea.

At this point...if you wanted to be prepared for any future fall out....it would not hurt to start the paperwork for legal complaints to expose this guy.  If he had just let it all go, no need.  But, he isn't so....perhaps an eye for an eye,in this case. 

However....check with your coordinator and see what he/she has to say.  If you WANT to stay with GEPIK and can slide into another spot somewhere without any hassle, then go for it.


Where can I file the complaint? GEPIK dealt with it but tried to make it out to be a misunderstanding in order to give the principal a chance to save face and neutralize the situation.
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: NorthStar on October 12, 2019, 07:21:09 am
You can file an online e-petition

https://epeople.go.kr/jsp/user/on/eng/HowPetition_USA.jsp

Though....think very hard about this and whether or not you feel it can have an impact on the near future.  Furthermore, do you have any actual proof of this, or, just word of mouth?
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: minmei on October 12, 2019, 08:34:35 am
You can file an online e-petition

https://epeople.go.kr/jsp/user/on/eng/HowPetition_USA.jsp

Though....think very hard about this and whether or not you feel it can have an impact on the near future.  Furthermore, do you have any actual proof of this, or, just word of mouth?


I have the paper he made me sign and the GEPIK office did go to my school even though they painted it as a misunderstanding. I might not even stay in Korea next school year. So, it probably will not affect me much.
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: NorthStar on October 12, 2019, 01:14:52 pm
OK, so while I am on your side....what will your complaint be and what damage will you claim this has caused? 
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: minmei on October 14, 2019, 04:20:44 pm
OK, so while I am on your side....what will your complaint be and what damage will you claim this has caused? 

Attempted theft and harassment. Its harmed my reputation
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: hangook77 on October 15, 2019, 12:29:01 pm
Your salary IS paid for by the office of education. The school receives the money well in advance, and the principal is supposed to sign off on it so that the school's admin can transfer it into your account.

The principal was just being a dishonest asshat and was trying to embezzle the funds. This sort of thing is not as common in public schools as it is in private schools because it's a lot harder to get away with it, but it doesn't stop some idiots from trying.

Do as thunderlips says, request to change schools once the time comes. Submit a formal complaint on your way out, if you can.

Really?  Why is your school in charge of your pay?  I go to three schools this year and they have nothing to do with my pay.  The city education office pays me and the teachers in my city.  If they screw up the pay, I go in and talk to the supervisor and then the financial officer at the office.  School has nothing to do with my pay.  The schools do ask me to transfer money to their account each month if I choose to eat the school lunch.  They do pay me directly if I do some extra classes, usually at the end of the semester. 
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: hangook77 on October 15, 2019, 12:40:00 pm
Oh shit Tekashi 69 in this mf!!  What did he do?
Also curious, haha

Basically, he was one of those disgusting people that most of us have encountered here in Korea at one time or another.  One of those that you shake your head and ask 'why do you keep renewing this person?'.  All of my other friends at that time who met him were kind of 'christ, he's disgusting!'  The long and the short of it was that he used to go out with another native teacher to 'booking rooms' in our small city.  On one occasion, he went out with his friend and when it came time to pay the bill, the owner said a price which he thought was 'too expensive', so it all ended up in a brawl where the police were called.  These two teachers spent the night in a cell.  Both of their co-teachers were called at 1am or some time late like that, to inform them they were in the cooler.  But nothing seemed to get done about it, as his principal seemed to have his back.  So basically, I wrote a letter outlining this event as a 'concerned citizen' to the parties involved as well as others.  That was it.  Thing was he was a fokcing cheapskate as in, he'd steal toilet paper and other stuff from school so he didn't have to buy it.  That is why the 'too expensive' night at the booking room is kind of ridiculous as he hated paying for anything.  When he was drinking outside of GS25, if his students came past, he'd give them alcohol.  :huh: There are other things about him that would make you go  :huh:.  All of what I wrote was factual as it was an official police incident, but like most things in Korea these can be swept under the rug by the powers that be.   :undecided:  He didn't get fired, he just wasn't renewed, which is fine by me.

Also on the letter writing thing, years ago at my countryside middle school, cars used to hoon down the road as my students walked down what was basically a non-pavement.  I could foresee a big accident involving my students.  So I wrote a letter to the myeon office, gun office and provincial office about putting in some traffic camera or some way of slowing down the traffic.  I always get the idea if I only send it to one they can just forget about it, but more than one makes things happen.  As there had been a couple of student deaths in my city from traffic driving too fast so I didn't want my students to be a statistic.  I got a letter back a week later saying there was no budget this year for a camera and because it was a main road they couldn't put down speed bumps, but would paint the road red.  At least I tried.   :undecided:  I got my Korean friend to write it for me but I used my own name this time.  Actually, when we had our school graduation a couple of years later, the 'myeong jang' came to give prizes and he actually remember that I'd written this letter.   :undecided:

So...despite none of that being your problem, you decided to be a rat...and pat yourself on the back...pseudo-hero, going on about second/third-hand information.

I get that 'no one likes a rat', but assuming he was middle or high school, giving alcohol to students is really bad.
I'm very rarely a tattle tale but, if I saw another teacher giving alcohol to under aged students, I would contact someone about it too.

Outside of school stuff things, like the booking room thing. Well, that's something for the authorities / their school (if they get involved) to decide what they want to do about it; But, it could make other NETs look bad too, even if they don't do that kinda stuff.

Being a pedo, giving kids alcohol, etc is the kind of thing it is ok to "rat" someone out for.  But other stuff, like another teacher in your town gets to go home early or goes to hookers, none of your damn business.  Let them do their own thing and get caught.  But they should go away on the weekends from your rural town if they do those things so the rest of you don't get a bad reputation.  So, the ratting for something illegal may or may not be appropriate.  I do know an old rural town I was in didn't have many foriegner when I was there.  But after I left, the population of waygooks went up.  There was one or two people who I heard would go to the education office and rat out other teachers if their school let them go home early or anything.  They really should have got the $h!t kicked out of them late at night by the other foreigners.  So, a rat in some ways is being a scumbag.  But, for some things, well, go for it. 
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: kyndo on October 15, 2019, 12:54:19 pm
Really?  Why is your school in charge of your pay?  I go to three schools this year and they have nothing to do with my pay.  The city education office pays me and the teachers in my city.  If they screw up the pay, I go in and talk to the supervisor and then the financial officer at the office.  School has nothing to do with my pay.  The schools do ask me to transfer money to their account each month if I choose to eat the school lunch.  They do pay me directly if I do some extra classes, usually at the end of the semester. 
    In my municipal region, the schools are allocated funds from the POE, and then pay the NETs. I've heard other people say that they're paid directly by the POE.
    It probably varies province to province, city to city.  :undecided:
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: waygo0k on October 15, 2019, 12:55:42 pm
There was one or two people who I heard would go to the education office and rat out other teachers if their school let them go home early or anything.

How sad must a person's life be to feel the need to do this?
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: hangook77 on October 15, 2019, 01:00:40 pm
There was one or two people who I heard would go to the education office and rat out other teachers if their school let them go home early or anything.

How sad must a person's life be to feel the need to do this?

You're right about that.  In some rural areas, those people do exist.  If you go home early, don't let people see you or tell other foreigners about it.  Especially in bigger cities or other towns.  You are asking for jealous snitches to pull you down to their level.  A couple of you who trust each other is ok I guess.  In my city we have to stay usually, but others in rural outlying areas do get to leave sometimes, I hear.  But, I live in a city and they live in nothing to do land and without a car can be boring.  So, I guess that's the trade off.  I feel no need to be jealous. 
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: hangook77 on October 15, 2019, 01:04:51 pm
Really?  Why is your school in charge of your pay?  I go to three schools this year and they have nothing to do with my pay.  The city education office pays me and the teachers in my city.  If they screw up the pay, I go in and talk to the supervisor and then the financial officer at the office.  School has nothing to do with my pay.  The schools do ask me to transfer money to their account each month if I choose to eat the school lunch.  They do pay me directly if I do some extra classes, usually at the end of the semester. 
    In my municipal region, the schools are allocated funds from the POE, and then pay the NETs. I've heard other people say that they're paid directly by the POE.
    It probably varies province to province, city to city.  :undecided:

I guess every place is different.   I'd rather the local education office handle the pay.  Better for everyone.  Maybe suggest it for your area too.  Keep it more professional.  Maybe I'm just lucky with everything.  This and the being micro managed issue.  (Logging into cool id to track your time and being told to use Korean software for time and holidays.  Nope, not doing that either.) 
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: Allpointseast on October 22, 2019, 02:58:36 am
  I am still wondering if it's a private school-one that outwardly follows GEPIK's rules, but still private, so the co-teachers and VP might think there are grey areas in the contract, and that rules can be bent, because it's not public-public, and has slightly more autonomy.

By the way, minmei, does the school rotate all its Korean teachers within the province every 3 years? Fully public schools do this. If it's the case, then that'll tell you it's fully public.

However, if there are lots of teachers on permanent contracts, who can stay at that school for years and years, then it's not a standard public school. Similarly, if there's lots and lots of Koreans on 1 year contracts.
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: Ronnie Omelettes on October 22, 2019, 07:05:30 am
Allpointseast, the three-year rule varies from province to province.  Where I am, it's five years.  The teachers can stay longer if they get the acceptance from the principal and the school parents board.  There was a maths teacher who extended twice, so he was at my school for seven years. 

There is a semi-public/private, as they call it, in my city.  I have a Korean friend who went there almost twenty years ago as a student and there are a few teachers who are still there now that were there when he was there.  I suppose it's good in some ways, but not always.  Seems cushty.  I had a Canadian friend who worked there, as well as at a fully public school, and the public/private one was her favourite school by a long shot.  But as it was her second school, she wasn't paid by them. 
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: minmei on November 01, 2019, 11:15:31 pm
  I am still wondering if it's a private school-one that outwardly follows GEPIK's rules, but still private, so the co-teachers and VP might think there are grey areas in the contract, and that rules can be bent, because it's not public-public, and has slightly more autonomy.

By the way, minmei, does the school rotate all its Korean teachers within the province every 3 years? Fully public schools do this. If it's the case, then that'll tell you it's fully public.

However, if there are lots of teachers on permanent contracts, who can stay at that school for years and years, then it's not a standard public school. Similarly, if there's lots and lots of Koreans on 1 year contracts.


The teachers here can stay for many years
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: Mezoti97 on November 05, 2019, 01:49:08 pm
Really?  Why is your school in charge of your pay?  I go to three schools this year and they have nothing to do with my pay.  The city education office pays me and the teachers in my city.  If they screw up the pay, I go in and talk to the supervisor and then the financial officer at the office.  School has nothing to do with my pay.  The schools do ask me to transfer money to their account each month if I choose to eat the school lunch.  They do pay me directly if I do some extra classes, usually at the end of the semester. 
    In my municipal region, the schools are allocated funds from the POE, and then pay the NETs. I've heard other people say that they're paid directly by the POE.
    It probably varies province to province, city to city.  :undecided:

When I used to work at public schools in a major city, I was paid directly by the schools (and the schools received the funds from the MOE); when I used to work at public schools in a small rural town, I was paid by the local office of education in that region.
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: lhelena on November 05, 2019, 03:00:16 pm
Really?  Why is your school in charge of your pay?  I go to three schools this year and they have nothing to do with my pay.  The city education office pays me and the teachers in my city.  If they screw up the pay, I go in and talk to the supervisor and then the financial officer at the office.  School has nothing to do with my pay.  The schools do ask me to transfer money to their account each month if I choose to eat the school lunch.  They do pay me directly if I do some extra classes, usually at the end of the semester. 
    In my municipal region, the schools are allocated funds from the POE, and then pay the NETs. I've heard other people say that they're paid directly by the POE.
    It probably varies province to province, city to city.  :undecided:

When I used to work at public schools in a major city, I was paid directly by the schools (and the schools received the funds from the MOE); when I used to work at public schools in a small rural town, I was paid by the local office of education in that region.

I work for a rural school with EPIK and in my bank account it says my schools name when I get paid. I think the POE just gives them the funds and the school has a person who is in charge of distributing the funds in the main office.
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: Mezoti97 on November 06, 2019, 07:38:13 am
I work for a rural school with EPIK and in my bank account it says my schools name when I get paid. I think the POE just gives them the funds and the school has a person who is in charge of distributing the funds in the main office.

In the rural area where I used to work (public schools), it just said the name of my local office of education in my bank book every time I got paid my salary and multiple-school allowance. Guess it just depends where you work.
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: lhelena on November 06, 2019, 07:56:16 am
I work for a rural school with EPIK and in my bank account it says my schools name when I get paid. I think the POE just gives them the funds and the school has a person who is in charge of distributing the funds in the main office.

In the rural area where I used to work (public schools), it just said the name of my local office of education in my bank book every time I got paid my salary and multiple-school allowance. Guess it just depends where you work.

Oh maybe mine is different because I'm at one school? If you're at 2 maybe it has to come from the office of education? That's my best guess.
Title: Re: 11 month firing in a public school?
Post by: Mezoti97 on November 07, 2019, 09:27:16 am
Oh maybe mine is different because I'm at one school? If you're at 2 maybe it has to come from the office of education? That's my best guess.

I don't work in the public school system in Korea anymore, but when I used to teach in a rural part of Korea, yeah, I had multiple schools at that time (which was normal in the specific rural area where I used to work -- I believe all the NETs there had multiple schools). I had more than 2 schools.