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Title: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: SPQR on August 07, 2019, 08:38:59 am
Wow, is this shit for real?  What a lame country.

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20190805000454
Title: Re: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: Aristocrat on August 07, 2019, 10:47:07 am
Wow, is this shit for real?  What a lame country.

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20190805000454

Yeah well, going by the absolute impunity to which litter over here, I support the government on this one.

Other than that, Korea will still be a place of mild thrills and an absence of adventure for quite a while.
Title: Re: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: fruitloops on August 07, 2019, 11:21:49 am
give them a break.  Youtube in Korea is a relatively new thing.  It just started taking off around 2012-2013ish and if you see all the famous korean youtubers, they are all only 1-3 years old in channel age.

I'm seeing them do the same pranks, niche videos that American youtubers did back in the early days....let them grow out of it and work out the kinks.  Yes, a lot of it is stupid but so was a lot of youtubers in America (and still).  I don't see how it's any different.  Just a case of one side pointing fingers at the other, when in fact, you're no different.
Title: Re: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: zola on August 07, 2019, 12:26:03 pm
I dont think he means the youtubers are lame. I think he means the country is, for not allowing camping outside of preapproved camp grounds.
Title: Re: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on August 07, 2019, 07:39:06 pm
Pretty much all government-owned land will have areas open for public camping and areas which are restricted. If it isn't government-owned, it's private property and then you need the owner's permission.

This exists in pretty much every country around the world. It exists for good reasons, namely idiots, slobs, and wannabe Grizzly Adamses who end up creating a bunch of hassles.
Title: Re: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: JNM on August 07, 2019, 08:01:30 pm
Pretty much all government-owned land will have areas open for public camping and areas which are restricted. If it isn't government-owned, it's private property and then you need the owner's permission.

This exists in pretty much every country around the world. It exists for good reasons, namely idiots, slobs, and wannabe Grizzly Adamses who end up creating a bunch of hassles.

Camping on unposted Crown land is completely legal in Canada.  Most Is unposted. There is a lot of it!


Title: Re: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: VanIslander on August 07, 2019, 10:33:50 pm
But park your car anywhere you want.
Title: Re: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: MayorHaggar on August 08, 2019, 05:58:53 am
Laws are not enforced in Korea. Koreans know this so they do whatever they want.
Title: Re: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: SPQR on August 08, 2019, 07:51:53 am
Laws are not enforced in Korea. Koreans know this so they do whatever they want.

I don't think this is the case at all. Try smoking dope in Korea.  Or driving drunk.  You
will find PDQ about enforcement.  The thing about this wild camping is that Koreans
realize it is a retarded law. Moreover, it is in the country where there  are less police.
Add to that the paltry fine, KRW100,000.
Title: Re: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: respect_teaching on August 08, 2019, 08:02:32 am
Now this explains why my "Summer English Camp" playlist was flagged by youtube and I was given  strike....Seemed odd until I read this.
Title: Re: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: SPQR on August 08, 2019, 08:13:40 am
Now this explains why my "Summer English Camp" playlist was flagged by youtube and I was given  strike....Seemed odd until I read this.

URL?
Title: Re: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: stoat on August 08, 2019, 08:24:00 am
Laws are not enforced in Korea. Koreans know this so they do whatever they want.

It's funny. If Fox News / Tucker Carlson / Trump said this about Mexicans you'd be shouting they were all fascists/white supremacists.
Title: Re: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: JNM on August 08, 2019, 11:08:05 am
Laws are not enforced in Korea...
... until they are.

The number of unenforced laws on the the books makes taking somebody down very easy!
Title: Re: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on August 08, 2019, 11:29:01 am
Pretty much all government-owned land will have areas open for public camping and areas which are restricted. If it isn't government-owned, it's private property and then you need the owner's permission.

This exists in pretty much every country around the world. It exists for good reasons, namely idiots, slobs, and wannabe Grizzly Adamses who end up creating a bunch of hassles.

Camping on unposted Crown land is completely legal in Canada.  Most Is unposted. There is a lot of it!




Im curious how much of that unposted land is Baffin of Ellsmere Island or Nunavut/NW Teritories where there's no one and nothing save for some local inuit and BBC filmers. I imagine things might be different as population density and popularity increases.

For example, Yellowstone in the US has designated camping areas.
Title: Re: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on August 08, 2019, 11:34:38 am
I don't think this is the case at all. Try smoking dope in Korea.  Or driving drunk.  You
will find PDQ about enforcement.  The thing about this wild camping is that Koreans
realize it is a retarded law. Moreover, it is in the country where there  are less police.
Add to that the paltry fine, KRW100,000.
It's "retarded" until someone goes into a place that has been set aside for EDIT- conservation and accidentally starts a forest fire.

The paltry fine gives authorities discretion in handling violators. For civil infractions they can be given a warning instead of criminal charges. Seems pretty reasonable to me. Especially in comparison to the juvenile view that there's no reason to have such regulations and the amount of the fine.

Also, wtf was I thinking with "confrontation"..maybe that was auto-complete.
Title: Re: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: oglop on August 08, 2019, 12:48:26 pm
I don't think this is the case at all. Try smoking dope in Korea.  Or driving drunk.  You
will find PDQ about enforcement.  The thing about this wild camping is that Koreans
realize it is a retarded law. Moreover, it is in the country where there  are less police.
Add to that the paltry fine, KRW100,000.
It's "retarded" until someone goes into a place that has been set aside for confrontation and accidentally starts a forest fire.

The paltry fine gives authorities discretion in handling violators. For civil infractions they can be given a warning instead of criminal charges. Seems pretty reasonable to me. Especially in comparison to the juvenile view that there's no reason to have such regulations and the amount of the fine.
i see your point, but korea is a bit of a nanny state. you could also say that for anything.

don't swim - you might need to be rescued
wear a lifejacket at water parks (even in shallow water) - is it worth risking someone dying?
don't walk on the escalator - you might trip and fall

sometimes you gotta let people have a bit of freedom. it's also amusing how certain things are strictly enforced, yet other laws (especially road-related) are completely ignored
Title: Re: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: SPQR on August 08, 2019, 01:06:10 pm
i see your point, but korea is a bit of a nanny state. you could also say that for anything.

don't swim - you might need to be rescued
wear a lifejacket at water parks (even in shallow water) - is it worth risking someone dying?
don't walk on the escalator - you might trip and fall

sometimes you gotta let people have a bit of freedom. it's also amusing how certain things are strictly enforced, yet other laws (especially road-related) are completely ignored

I totally agree here.
Title: Re: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on August 08, 2019, 01:40:17 pm
I agree with those things because they just involve personal risk. On the other hand, camping in certain areas, particularly those set aside for conservation or other factors, causes damage beyond just self-inflicted injury.  There's also issues with fire risk, litter, contamination, etc.

There's lots of public camping spots. Why not just obey the law and camp there?
Title: Re: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: SPQR on August 08, 2019, 01:41:38 pm
I agree with those things because they just involve personal risk. On the other hand, camping in certain areas, particularly those set aside for conservation or other factors, causes damage beyond just self-inflicted injury.  There's also issues with fire risk, litter, contamination, etc.

There's lots of public camping spots. Why not just obey the law and camp there?

I totally disagree here.
Title: Re: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: oglop on August 08, 2019, 01:47:02 pm
it is probably one of those "a few spoiled it for everyone else" rules
Title: Re: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: plan b on August 08, 2019, 02:36:53 pm
Can you imagine how much garbage would be left in areas like this by Koreans?
Koreans really don't understand the concept of "taking out what you bring in" and "leaving no trace", which is essential when you are camping in the forest, especially in an area that is not a designated campground.

Koreans love to toss their trash on the floor. In this case, there are no old people to clean up after them. The place would be filthy. Koreans need strict rules for camping.
Title: Re: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on August 08, 2019, 03:26:00 pm
I agree with those things because they just involve personal risk. On the other hand, camping in certain areas, particularly those set aside for conservation or other factors, causes damage beyond just self-inflicted injury.  There's also issues with fire risk, litter, contamination, etc.

There's lots of public camping spots. Why not just obey the law and camp there?

I totally disagree here.
Why? Remember, YOU are not the representative of the entire population they have to consider. They have to make a systems-level decision, not a decision based on SPQR who feels he's perfectly qualified to camp anywhere. They have to engage in risk-management and deal with a budget. Designating camp sites allows the government to focus efforts on selected areas, enabling things like cleanup, safety protocol, services, transportation infrastructure, etc.

The problem is that everyone in the world thinks they're perfectly qualified to camp anywhere and won't do anything wrong. However the number of people that believe this and the number of people it's actually true for is significantly different. And unless you yourself are an expert in the area you are camping, the ecosystem, and everything else, this probably isn't YOU, no matter how much you've convinced yourself that it is you. In fact, since you seem to be unaware that this could be you or are dismissive of the errors you yourself personally could commit, this strongly suggests that you are the kind of person who would cause the very problems that regulations seek to ameliorate. "I don't make mistakes, that's everyone else" is generally a good sign that the person actually makes a number of mistakes.

Do you think there should be ZERO restrictions on where to camp? I would think that a more rational answer would be to possibly considering expanding the number of public camping sites or to identify areas that might draw interest and establishing campgrounds there, rather than having all government land open to the public.
Title: Re: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: MayorHaggar on August 08, 2019, 03:49:11 pm
Laws are not enforced in Korea. Koreans know this so they do whatever they want.

I don't think this is the case at all. Try smoking dope in Korea.  Or driving drunk.  You
will find PDQ about enforcement.  The thing about this wild camping is that Koreans
realize it is a retarded law. Moreover, it is in the country where there  are less police.
Add to that the paltry fine, KRW100,000.

There's no dope in Korea to smoke. Koreans drive drunk all the time. Koreans drive badly because they think they can get away with it. Put them in another country where they know the laws are enforced, and they will drive much better (usually). The police in Korea really only exist to make recommendations to insurance companies about who's at fault for the many traffic accidents.
Title: Re: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: oglop on August 08, 2019, 04:37:55 pm
yeah. no consequences to actions. also why you get a load of older dickhead manchildren here - they know nobody will question their behaviour, so they can do whatever they want
Title: Re: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: JNM on August 08, 2019, 06:14:15 pm
Pretty much all government-owned land will have areas open for public camping and areas which are restricted. If it isn't government-owned, it's private property and then you need the owner's permission.

This exists in pretty much every country around the world. It exists for good reasons, namely idiots, slobs, and wannabe Grizzly Adamses who end up creating a bunch of hassles.

Camping on unposted Crown land is completely legal in Canada.  Most Is unposted. There is a lot of it!




Im curious how much of that unposted land is Baffin of Ellsmere Island or Nunavut/NW Teritories where there's no one and nothing save for some local inuit and BBC filmers. I imagine things might be different as population density and popularity increases.

For example, Yellowstone in the US has designated camping areas.

Yes, parks, by their nature, have restricted use.
Title: Re: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: oglop on August 08, 2019, 06:30:04 pm
besides, i don't think the problem is that there are designated camping areas, it's the lameness of these camping sites. korean camping isn't really camping (as we know it), it's just... sleeping in a tent
Title: Re: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: SPQR on August 26, 2019, 08:19:03 am
By my understanding of Korean law, this illegal camping statute applies only to
provincial parks.

If you look at the the main background picture here(https://wikitravel.org/en/Muui-do),
and the section on "Sleep", you can apparently set up anywhere you want.

I think it is poor quality news reporting that entails not researching a topic properly
that started this question.
Title: Re: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: LIC on September 09, 2019, 03:11:59 pm
I've never understood camping and I cannot figure out why someone would willingly sleep in a tent. The only fun about this is the illegal part!
Title: Re: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: VanIslander on September 09, 2019, 04:44:28 pm
I've never understood camping and I cannot figure out why someone would willingly sleep in a tent. The only fun about this is the illegal part!
I guess hiking you don't understand either. Or mountain climbing. Or walking through a forest. Or mountain biking.

But you understand sitting in an underground train car for several hours a month, eh?
Title: Re: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: LIC on September 11, 2019, 11:08:07 am
I've never understood camping and I cannot figure out why someone would willingly sleep in a tent. The only fun about this is the illegal part!
I guess hiking you don't understand either. Or mountain climbing. Or walking through a forest. Or mountain biking.

But you understand sitting in an underground train car for several hours a month, eh?

Not sure where this train of logic stems from - pun intended. It's way off base and camping has nothing to do with a walk through the jungle/forest or going for a bike ride.

As for mountain climbing...in Korea??? surely you jest. I lived in Alberta and BC for years. There are no mountains in Korea.
Title: Re: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: tylerthegloob on September 11, 2019, 12:04:48 pm
I lived in Alberta and BC for years. There are no mountains in Korea.
:rolleyes:
Title: Re: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: hangook77 on September 11, 2019, 01:20:07 pm
Wow, is this shit for real?  What a lame country.

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20190805000454

I think there were signs and they were trespassing.    Korea does get lame with rules.  If he is charged not for youtubing but for trespassing, then it's fair game.  If charged for youtubing, then it's lame cause you have to respect free speech. 

But, I would just camp in the off season or have a campfire then and shut up about it.  (No youtubing.)  Korean overzelous rule NAZI's are lame anyhow.  Camping in summer going to the beach, etc.  After Chuseok, weekends off the beaten track, camping on a beach, setting up last minute after getting dark.  But bring your own food and water.  I once heard of some locals going collective like a communist and refusing to sell to some kids illegally camping on an Island beach. 
Title: Re: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: Aristocrat on September 11, 2019, 01:37:54 pm
I lived in Alberta and BC for years. There are no mountains in Korea.
:rolleyes:

Going by his fitness routine (see other thread) of walking to the fridge to get beer and watching his dogs attack and chase animals, I'd put my money on "tough guy" over here being unable to summit the pile of BS he spews, let alone a single mountain in Korea or Canada.
Title: Re: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: LIC on September 12, 2019, 12:07:23 pm
I lived in Alberta and BC for years. There are no mountains in Korea.
:rolleyes:

Going by his fitness routine (see other thread) of walking to the fridge to get beer and watching his dogs attack and chase animals, I'd put my money on "tough guy" over here being unable to summit the pile of BS he spews, let alone a single mountain in Korea or Canada.

I have nothing to prove anymore. You know, having done it all when most of you were in diapers. I've earned my time.

PS There are no mountains in Korea. I was skiing the alps of Europe in '67. What were you doing?
Title: Re: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: tylerthegloob on September 12, 2019, 03:04:30 pm
I lived in Alberta and BC for years. There are no mountains in Korea.
:rolleyes:

Going by his fitness routine (see other thread) of walking to the fridge to get beer and watching his dogs attack and chase animals, I'd put my money on "tough guy" over here being unable to summit the pile of BS he spews, let alone a single mountain in Korea or Canada.

I have nothing to prove anymore. You know, having done it all when most of you were in diapers. I've earned my time.

PS There are no mountains in Korea. I was skiing the alps of Europe in '67. What were you doing?
:rolleyes:
Title: Re: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: LIC on September 23, 2019, 02:49:50 pm
I lived in Alberta and BC for years. There are no mountains in Korea.
:rolleyes:

Going by his fitness routine (see other thread) of walking to the fridge to get beer and watching his dogs attack and chase animals, I'd put my money on "tough guy" over here being unable to summit the pile of BS he spews, let alone a single mountain in Korea or Canada.

I have nothing to prove anymore. You know, having done it all when most of you were in diapers. I've earned my time.

PS There are no mountains in Korea. I was skiing the alps of Europe in '67. What were you doing?
:rolleyes:

hahahahaha...still waiting for your mommy and daddy to be born I suspect.
Title: Re: YouTubers caught recommending illegal camping
Post by: tylerthegloob on September 23, 2019, 03:00:24 pm
I have nothing to prove anymore. You know, having done it all when most of you were in diapers. I've earned my time.

PS There are no mountains in Korea. I was skiing the alps of Europe in '67. What were you doing?
:rolleyes:

hahahahaha...still waiting for your mommy and daddy to be born I suspect.

:rolleyes: yeeeeesh. really had to come back for one last dig? that's cool

"i have nothing to prove" says the man, repeatedly trying to prove himself, his seniority, and the value of his life experience.

i may be young, but at least i can comprehend the joys of camping. oh and you don't need 60 years of life experience (no idea how old you are) to figure out what a mountain is. google it, my dude.