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Title: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: PatrickBateman on December 13, 2018, 02:52:05 pm
Well had my first experience in a Korean department store.  Been here awhile and never need to step foot in one.  I have a gf and wanted to buy her a new coat so I suggested we go shopping.  We went to Lotte Dept. store.


What in the actual f..  All these no name Korean brands selling basic wool coats or whatever for asinine amounts of money.  800k for a pea coat made by J.Moonwangdong bla bla or 1.2m for a coat made by Winterwonderland jihhee lee..  Do Koreans think a higher price automatically means good.. high quality and well made? 

The quality was on par with any other mass-produced item from China sweatshops.  Who in the world is paying these prices?  Do rich Koreans just have money to burn? Yes, they do.  I assume when rich Koreans want to spend money on high fashion they buy italian, english and french name brands that people know so they can show off their wealth.  They're ostentatious like that.


I said fug this.. lets go to Costco.  My American company didn't let me down.  High-quality coats at a reasonable price.

Don't waste your time in these overpriced traps.  Can't believe how freaking crowded it was. Most Koreans were rummaging around the sales bin like rabid dogs in heat.  So maybe the expensive stuff is just a ploy since I saw barely anyone buying it.
 
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: oglop on December 13, 2018, 02:53:34 pm
Do Koreans think a higher price automatically means good.. high quality and well made? 

basically yeah
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: CO2 on December 13, 2018, 03:03:23 pm
Do Koreans think a higher price automatically means good.. high quality and well made? 

basically yeah

Refer to the Ikea fiasco.

"But Ikea's prices are reasonable and their things are pretty decently made! I charge 3 times that and it's kind of shoddy!!!!!! What will happen to my business??????"
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 13, 2018, 03:17:28 pm
Yes, people here believe more expensive things are better and pay money for brand names. A phenomenon I'm sure you're encountering for the first time here and never experienced back home.

Also, just because YOU don't know the story behind those Korean brands doesn't mean there isn't a reason for their price. Of course, it likely is way overpriced for no reason, but I'm willing to bet that at least in some cases, there's some other reason (probably some Kpop star wore it because their gf's sister is the designer or some crap like that).

The other reason of course, is that usually the price you see on the tag is not the real price. It's usually something like, 1/4th of it.
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: theman3285 on December 13, 2018, 03:39:01 pm
Yes, people here believe more expensive things are better and pay money for brand names. A phenomenon I'm sure you're encountering for the first time here and never experienced back home.

Also, just because YOU don't know the story behind those Korean brands doesn't mean there isn't a reason for their price.
And some classic Martino sarcasm to end off the day 8)
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: PatrickBateman on December 13, 2018, 03:47:30 pm
Sorry, Martino..   Haven't experienced it back home.  We have something called free market competition in which only the best brands/quality survive so the consumer wins.  A no-name Korean clothing brand can't come to the USA and charge $1200 for a pea coat unless the brand is world renowned for its craftsmanship and quality.  Usually, in Korea, you can choose from this overpriced Korean product here or that insanely overpriced imported product over there.  I will say, thing have gotten better and there is more choice and prices are coming down.  Costco opened up the eyes of many.  But even they are being bullied into carrying mostly Korean items I'm starting to notice. 
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: SPQR on December 13, 2018, 04:08:56 pm
Brand names often do mean better quality.  I get hand made shoes from England.

https://www.herringshoes.co.uk/
https://www.pediwear.co.uk/

I pay more for shoes like this but they last 10-20 years easily.  There are other
examples of this.  Mercedes Benz cars are extremely durable. Swiss watches are
well made.

But I have to admit 800,000원 for a puffy jacket is ludicrous.
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: oglop on December 13, 2018, 04:14:39 pm
Brand names often do mean better quality.  I get hand made shoes from England.

https://www.herringshoes.co.uk/
https://www.pediwear.co.uk/

I pay more for shoes like this but they last 10-20 years easily.  There are other
examples of this.  Mercedes Benz cars are extremely durable. Swiss watches are
well made.

But I have to admit 800,000원 for a puffy jacket is ludicrous.
for a lot of things in korea, "after-service" is big, so you could get your 10 year old rice cooker repaired for free, so that is probably built into the price, too

probably not for coats though, as the 옷수선 places are so cheap for clothes repairs. so, yeah, 800k for a coat is mental
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: yfb on December 13, 2018, 08:35:44 pm
A Columbia brand-name coat costs $300 here at the outlet mall in the states. It costs four times that in Korea. Koreans are masters at ripping each other off, you can thank protectionism and the chaebols for that.
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: teacher1988 on December 13, 2018, 11:31:54 pm
Not a Korean phenomenon.
http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/five-marketing-lessons-from-the-payless-shoe-store-prank/
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: Allpointseast on December 14, 2018, 04:13:11 am
  Yes, I agree that some of these garments are way over-priced. It shocked me in Korea. Where I come from we have Primark for cheap clothes. We know Marks and Spencers might be a bit more pricey, but affordable, and excellent quality. River Island will be pricey, perhaps, but perhaps not crazily so. That's Scotland for you.
  When I was in Japan, things could get crazily expensive, as there seemed to be an emphasis on pricey, high-end goods. Some foodstuffs were crazily expensive. Japanese people were perfectly prepared to pay $5 for a single, perfectly, formed peach, because it was a perfect peach, from a perfect farm in Japan. The reason Japan was so expensive is that for decades government saw its job as protecting Japanese companies. Getting a good deal for consumers was not  iportant. Protecting Japanese farmers was vital because of their voting patterns.
  I don't think things in Korea are the same as in Japan, but I do think protectionism is a big thing. Big companies and chaebols try to control the market.
  Meanwhile, you can consider it a great blessing that Costco exists!
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 14, 2018, 07:50:19 am
Sorry, Martino..   Haven't experienced it back home.  We have something called free market competition in which only the best brands/quality survive so the consumer wins.  A no-name Korean clothing brand can't come to the USA and charge $1200 for a pea coat unless the brand is world renowned for its craftsmanship and quality.  Usually, in Korea, you can choose from this overpriced Korean product here or that insanely overpriced imported product over there.  I will say, thing have gotten better and there is more choice and prices are coming down.  Costco opened up the eyes of many.  But even they are being bullied into carrying mostly Korean items I'm starting to notice.

Again, it might be no name TO YOU, but it might be well known to others in Korea. There had to be a reason it was selected. It's name wasn't drawn out of a hat. The government didn't tell the department store to carry it. If it's Hyundai or Lotte they carry every other foreign brand. Now, unless those coats are being sold for prices far higher than $1200, market controls aren't causing the coat to be priced at $1200. You can also go to some other Korean store and get a coat for $200. That isn't the only coat for sale. Also, you can just go to Macy's and get whatever they have on sale+shipping. The Korean government isn't stopping you. Also as far as quality it can vary but then again, your brand name whatever might be made in the same Malaysian factory as the Korean item.

And again usually the items are sold at far less than the tag price.

Lastly as far as protectionism, the jobs of Korean workers and giving Korean companies the chance to build themselves up and get going is far more important than YOUR access to cheap consumer goods. This country dies not exist to make you happy.
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: pkjh on December 14, 2018, 08:17:36 am
It's usually Americans that complain about prices in Korea. Because as a Canadian, we pay pretty high prices in Canada in order to maintain many of our public services that people south of the 49th may lack. While the markets in New York, can give some of the markets in Nigeria a run for their money in how cheap they can sell a T-shirt for.
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: OnNut81 on December 14, 2018, 08:19:59 am
Sorry, Martino..   Haven't experienced it back home.  We have something called free market competition in which only the best brands/quality survive so the consumer wins.  A no-name Korean clothing brand can't come to the USA and charge $1200 for a pea coat unless the brand is world renowned for its craftsmanship and quality.  Usually, in Korea, you can choose from this overpriced Korean product here or that insanely overpriced imported product over there.  I will say, thing have gotten better and there is more choice and prices are coming down.  Costco opened up the eyes of many.  But even they are being bullied into carrying mostly Korean items I'm starting to notice.

Again, it might be no name TO YOU, but it might be well known to others in Korea. There had to be a reason it was selected. It's name wasn't drawn out of a hat. The government didn't tell the department store to carry it. If it's Hyundai or Lotte they carry every other foreign brand. Now, unless those coats are being sold for prices far higher than $1200, market controls aren't causing the coat to be priced at $1200. You can also go to some other Korean store and get a coat for $200. That isn't the only coat for sale. Also, you can just go to Macy's and get whatever they have on sale+shipping. The Korean government isn't stopping you. Also as far as quality it can vary but then again, your brand name whatever might be made in the same Malaysian factory as the Korean item.

And again usually the items are sold at far less than the tag price.

Lastly as far as protectionism, the jobs of Korean workers and giving Korean companies the chance to build themselves up and get going is far more important than YOUR access to cheap consumer goods. This country dies not exist to make you happy.

I'd say your credibility here took a hit, but that was torpedoed a long time ago.  Koreans absolutely will happily pay a premium mark up on products believing it relates to the quality and prestige of the item.  You cannot have lived here any length of time and not noticed it across the spectrum of consumer products and services.  You know it's true. 

And as to your point that it happens back in the west, sure, it happens with a demographic known as the nouveau riche, or trailer trash that won the lottery.  But how does the same mindset existing in a segment of the population back home make the fact it happens here any less true?


The irony of Dmart's protestations and defenses of all things Korean is that if you were to believe him, there is nothing unique about Korean culture or behaviour.  Everything that happens here, according to Mart, also happens back home. 
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: OnNut81 on December 14, 2018, 08:27:05 am
It's usually Americans that complain about prices in Korea. Because as a Canadian, we pay pretty high prices in Canada in order to maintain many of our public services that people south of the 49th may lack. While the markets in New York, can give some of the markets in Nigeria a run for their money in how cheap they can sell a T-shirt for.


I'd say The US, depending on the exchange rate, is a better place to shop than Canada, but not Korea.  As a Canadian I think the prices for brand name stuff here is a rip off compared to back home.  First time I took my gf home to Toronto we went to The Bay's flagship store and she went through marvelling at how much cheaper high end brands were. From cosmetics to a Phillips razor at Walmart it was a real eye-opener.  When we popped down to Florida and an outlet mall, yes, that really woke her up.  Our trip to London the year before and Selfridge's just made her think Korean prices were on par with the west. 
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: pkjh on December 14, 2018, 08:33:26 am
It's usually Americans that complain about prices in Korea. Because as a Canadian, we pay pretty high prices in Canada in order to maintain many of our public services that people south of the 49th may lack. While the markets in New York, can give some of the markets in Nigeria a run for their money in how cheap they can sell a T-shirt for.
I'd say The US, depending on the exchange rate, is a better place to shop than Canada, but not Korea.  As a Canadian I think the prices for brand name stuff here is a rip off compared to back home.  First time I took my gf home to Toronto we went to The Bay's flagship store and she went through marvelling at how much cheaper high end brands were. From cosmetics to a Phillips razor at Walmart it was a real eye-opener.  When we popped down to Florida and an outlet mall, yes, that really woke her up.  Our trip to London the year before and Selfridge's just made her think Korean prices were on par with the west.
From Alberta, and our recent 2 decades of prosperity really drove up prices there.
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: Princess-Love on December 14, 2018, 08:35:47 am
Hahahah I thought this post was about the OP saying his gf wanted to buy everything and now he is broke lol
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: hayleebb87 on December 14, 2018, 08:37:54 am
It's usually Americans that complain about prices in Korea. Because as a Canadian, we pay pretty high prices in Canada in order to maintain many of our public services that people south of the 49th may lack. While the markets in New York, can give some of the markets in Nigeria a run for their money in how cheap they can sell a T-shirt for.


I'd say The US, depending on the exchange rate, is a better place to shop than Canada, but not Korea.  As a Canadian I think the prices for brand name stuff here is a rip off compared to back home.  First time I took my gf home to Toronto we went to The Bay's flagship store and she went through marvelling at how much cheaper high end brands were. From cosmetics to a Phillips razor at Walmart it was a real eye-opener.  When we popped down to Florida and an outlet mall, yes, that really woke her up.  Our trip to London the year before and Selfridge's just made her think Korean prices were on par with the west.

Shopping in the USA is excellent compared to shopping in Korea. I don't know about Canada. It has so much variety in not only fashion styles, but prices. You can find great items whether you are poor, middle class, or wealthy. Most Americans don't care about high-end brands enough to pay for them so we have tons of stores like TJ Maxx, Marshalls, Ross, etc. These stores sell higher end stuff at a discount, usually overstock items. 9 of 10 people will go there instead of Macy's. It's also fair to say we are more about quantity than quality because we have bigger homes, bigger closets, more space, etc. We buy more stuff to fill it while Korean homes are usually much smaller so it makes more sense to buy higher quality items and less stuff overall.

However, I think the OP's point that a few people seem to miss or ignore is that the items in question were low quality, but extremely expensive.  Those two things don't add up and is why he's angry. If you pay $1200 for a coat, you want it to the be the best quality and last for years, but I'm guessing he got more of a Gmarket vibe from it.
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: zola on December 14, 2018, 08:43:16 am
The worst is furniture. The prices are outrageous. And the quality is absolute shite. Cheap particle board inside with weird, plasticky, faux wood on the outside. Or that brown leather sofa that 97% of the households in the country own.

My mother in law bought us a bed when we got married, which is nice. My wife told me the price and it was millions and millions of won. I couldn't believe it.
Then about two years ago I was moving it and a chunk of the headboard broke if in my hand. That same particle board stuff that you find in the most budget of furniture stores elsewhere and should be a few hundred dollars tops. EVERYTHING is made out of it. It's like solid wood doesn't exist.

And I should add, last year there was a video released of a hidden camera expose of some Chaebol family woman screaming at an underling in her ultra luxury apartment. What I noticed was the furniture in the background was the same gaudy, tacky, particle board shit every one else has.
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: JNM on December 14, 2018, 08:52:44 am
There are affordable, Korean made clothes in large sizes.

Yesterday my wife came back with a new winter coat, 5 pairs of slacks, 8 tops, and a shorts set for about 600k₩.

These places are off the beaten path, but they are there. Most Koreans donít buy all their clothes at The Hyundai.
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: StillInKorea on December 14, 2018, 08:55:46 am
There are affordable, Korean made clothes in large sizes.

Yesterday my wife came back with a new winter coat, 5 pairs of slacks, 8 tops, and a shorts set for about 600k₩.

These places are off the beaten path, but they are there. Most Koreans donít buy all their clothes at The Hyundai.

This man married well.
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: Savant on December 14, 2018, 08:56:25 am
The worst is furniture. The prices are outrageous. And the quality is absolute shite. Cheap particle board inside with weird, plasticky, faux wood on the outside. Or that brown leather sofa that 97% of the households in the country own.

My mother in law bought us a bed when we got married, which is nice. My wife told me the price and it was millions and millions of won. I couldn't believe it.
Then about two years ago I was moving it and a chunk of the headboard broke if in my hand. That same particle board stuff that you find in the most budget of furniture stores elsewhere and should be a few hundred dollars tops. EVERYTHING is made out of it. It's like solid wood doesn't exist.

And I should add, last year there was a video released of a hidden camera expose of some Chaebol family woman screaming at an underling in her ultra luxury apartment. What I noticed was the furniture in the background was the same gaudy, tacky, particle board shit every one else has.

A lot of those furniture stores protested against Ikea because it would take away a lot of their trade. Who would want to spend 2 million on a table or sofa when I can get the same quality from Ikea for half the price. We got a great table from Ikea for around 250,000 total (frame + top) and I see the same table in a lot of Koreans' re-modelling apartment photos.
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: Savant on December 14, 2018, 08:58:12 am
There are affordable, Korean made clothes in large sizes.

Yesterday my wife came back with a new winter coat, 5 pairs of slacks, 8 tops, and a shorts set for about 600k₩.

These places are off the beaten path, but they are there. Most Koreans donít buy all their clothes at The Hyundai.

This man married well.

Or his wife only told him it cost a mere 600k won. Credit card bill might say different.
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: JNM on December 14, 2018, 09:28:40 am
There are affordable, Korean made clothes in large sizes.

Yesterday my wife came back with a new winter coat, 5 pairs of slacks, 8 tops, and a shorts set for about 600k₩.

These places are off the beaten path, but they are there. Most Koreans donít buy all their clothes at The Hyundai.

This man married well.

Or his wife only told him it cost a mere 600k won. Credit card bill might say different.

She is wonderful.

Exhibit A attached...
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 14, 2018, 09:53:04 am
I'd say your credibility here took a hit, but that was torpedoed a long time ago.  Koreans absolutely will happily pay a premium mark up on products believing it relates to the quality and prestige of the item.  You cannot have lived here any length of time and not noticed it across the spectrum of consumer products and services.  You know it's true. 
Yes they will. And many of them also will not and go to Outlet stores and order from overseas online or go to some bargain market in some alley. Not every Korean is buying $1200 coats at Lotte Dept. Store.

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And as to your point that it happens back in the west, sure, it happens with a demographic known as the nouveau riche, or trailer trash that won the lottery.  But how does the same mindset existing in a segment of the population back home make the fact it happens here any less true?
Dude, it happens with everyone in all demographics. And if they aren't spending stupid money on clothes, they're spending stupid money on cars. Or boats. Or guns. Or sporting goods. Or hunting gear. Or crap at Whole Foods.

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The irony of Dmart's protestations and defenses of all things Korean is that if you were to believe him, there is nothing unique about Korean culture or behaviour.  Everything that happens here, according to Mart, also happens back home. 
Pretty much, yes. People are people. Outside of some tribal rainforest society or warzones or a few other places, people's routines are pretty much the same around the world and that drives them to being rather similar. They also have the same impulses, urges, and desires. People are FAR FAR FAR more similar than they are different. Pretty much anything that happens back home or in Korea has some sort of equivalent behavior in any other country.

You've been here a long time, isn't it time to move on from the "WTF, everything is so different!!!" phase?
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: tylerthegloob on December 14, 2018, 10:00:41 am
Or boats. Or guns.


Gunboats.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8azbYf4oio

But basically I agree with 'Tino here. It doesn't seem spectacularly different compared to back home. People buy all kinds of dumb expensive stuff just because it makes them feel swanky. I imagine that's true (for a certain population) in most materialistic societies. Not everyone does it (my girlfriend doesn't do it). But, some people do it.
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 14, 2018, 10:09:44 am
The worst is furniture. The prices are outrageous. And the quality is absolute shite. Cheap particle board inside with weird, plasticky, faux wood on the outside. Or that brown leather sofa that 97% of the households in the country own.
A lot of the furniture is designed to be thrown away given how frequently people move and the fact that things might not fit in another apartment. At least that's how it is for some families. Some families do have really nice stuff. And many families do have cheap crap and probably paid too much for it.

I notice that furniture tends to be nicer in the rural areas and that in Seoul, it tends to really be crappy. Same with pricing. A lot of it is the same stuff, but in some of the rural areas you have local craftsmen of varying, but more often than not, higher quality.

We got a great table from Ikea for around 250,000 total (frame + top) and I see the same table in a lot of Koreans' re-modelling apartment photos.
Good grief people, IKEA is the Reese's or Chipotle of furniture. It's got decent stuff at it's price point, but it's not the be all end all. And at times it's more like the Coldstone of furniture in that it can be hideous trash. Not saying Korean furniture is any better, but "I know good furniture- IKEA!!!!" OMFG, really?

Most Americans don't care about high-end brands enough to pay for them so we have tons of stores like TJ Maxx, Marshalls, Ross, etc. These stores sell higher end stuff at a discount, usually overstock items. 9 of 10 people will go there instead of Macy's.
Macy's winter sale is going on right now (although the BIG discount has passed). Prices pretty much are what you'd pay at TJ Maxx or Marshall's. Also, Korea has outlet stores too. You just have to shop around. Only rubes stroll into Hyundai and pay the price on the tag.

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However, I think the OP's point that a few people seem to miss or ignore is that the items in question were low quality, but extremely expensive.  Those two things don't add up and is why he's angry. If you pay $1200 for a coat, you want it to the be the best quality and last for years, but I'm guessing he got more of a Gmarket vibe from it.

Again, I cannot emphasize this enough- The price on the tag is not always what the item is sold at and not always what people are paying. If you're paying the price on the tag, you're shopping wrong. I'd almost say that the price is deliberately inflated and they know they won't do many sales at that price. It is priced that way either A) You get lucky and someone just buys it without caring (or under pressure from an SO). B) You can mark it down and then someone, ala Chinese style, can brag about how much they haggled it down. I can't tell you how many times I bought Korean clothing that had way overinflated prices on the tag and was sold for reasonable rates in actuality.

Also, I think OP might have some confirmation bias. Anyone who wears designer clothing, if they're honest with themselves, can point to a couple items that they bought back home that haven't held up and yes, were probably made in Vietnam and not in Italy. 

I kind of feel like OP was doing something along these lines-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8gsNojPhA8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8gsNojPhA8)
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: alexisalex on December 14, 2018, 10:13:34 am
Sorry but I think DeMartino's spidey senses started tingling when he thought Koreans were being attacked and he leapt to their defense without really getting the OP's point.

The point isn't that Koreans (and people all over the world) waste their money on things that aren't worth it purely for the prestige of the brand or label.  The point is that clothes that are absolutely terrible quality are sold for an insanely high price here.  Same with furniture as Zola pointed out.  I'd say it's even more brazen with furniture.

I have to say that I never noticed it back home.  If the quality is terrible then the price would reflect it.  Not so much in Korea.
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 14, 2018, 10:17:45 am
The point is that clothes that are absolutely terrible quality are sold for an insanely high price here.  Same with furniture as Zola pointed out.
Again, the Korean sticker price rule. If you're paying what's actually on the price tag, you're shopping stupid. That price is NOT what the item is typically sold at. As far as quality, it varies highly and I suspect some of the stuff back home wasn't quite as good a quality as you fondly remember.

But yes, there's some crappy clothing here. Don't buy it. You aren't forced to and it's not the only clothing sold. I didn't shop at Kinney Shoes back home either as well or pay up the rear for Tommy Hilfiger's overpriced shoddy crap.
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: Chinguetti on December 14, 2018, 10:22:03 am
Sorry but I think DeMartino's spidey senses started tingling when he thought Koreans were being attacked and he leapt to their defense without really getting the OP's point.

The point isn't that Koreans (and people all over the world) waste their money on things that aren't worth it purely for the prestige of the brand or label.  The point is that clothes that are absolutely terrible quality are sold for an insanely high price here.  Same with furniture as Zola pointed out.  I'd say it's even more brazen with furniture.

I have to say that I never noticed it back home.  If the quality is terrible then the price would reflect it.  Not so much in Korea.

Agree with all of this. Even Koreans complain about this. Many of the more shopping savvy ones will gladly pay the cost to import certain items and brands from overseas, even when they're available here, because it still comes out cheaper, and the quality is noticeably higher.

Even the chaebols do it, and they can more than afford to pay the exorbitant prices. No one likes to get ripped off.

But I don't know, the lure of the department store is always there for some people. People like to try things on, and instant gratification is hard to fight sometimes, hence why department stores still manage to exist.
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: alexisalex on December 14, 2018, 10:24:14 am
The point is that clothes that are absolutely terrible quality are sold for an insanely high price here.  Same with furniture as Zola pointed out.
Again, the Korean sticker price rule. If you're paying what's actually on the price tag, you're shopping stupid. That price is NOT what the item is typically sold at. As far as quality, it varies highly and I suspect some of the stuff back home wasn't quite as good a quality as you fondly remember.

But yes, there's some crappy clothing here. Don't buy it. You aren't forced to and it's not the only clothing sold. I didn't shop at Kinney Shoes back home either as well or pay up the rear for Tommy Hilfiger's overpriced shoddy crap.

Where did I praise the quality of goods back home?  Read it again.  I said that if the quality was terrible then the price would reflect it.   
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: pkjh on December 14, 2018, 10:28:27 am
If Mr. Kim next door wants to spend his money on some overpriced piece of wood, it's no skin off your nose. What's the point in belittling his choices?
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 14, 2018, 10:38:07 am
Where did I praise the quality of goods back home?  Read it again.  I said that if the quality was terrible then the price would reflect it.
Sometimes, not always. Just look at food. Slap "Fair-Trade" or "Organic" or put it in some foodie-hippy package and suddenly people think it's better. The average person couldn't judge ketchups in a blind taste test but they'll pay more for Heinz. Same with bottled water. The same holds true for clothing, unless you think the Pakistani factory is doing a markedly different job between its Target and it's Calvin Klein shirts.
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: OnNut81 on December 14, 2018, 10:50:40 am

You've been here a long time, isn't it time to move on from the "WTF, everything is so different!!!" phase?


The old DeMartino making up comments that you could counter.  Since you were quoting me could you please highlight where I was in the "WTF, everything is so different!!!@ phase? 

Seriously, man.  Don't just BS. 
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: OnNut81 on December 14, 2018, 10:55:27 am
The point that DeMartino is wildly trying to steer away from and get into one of his rabbit hole frantic attacks on the west arguments is that Korean department stores tend to be absurdly over-priced.  Korean outlet stores and malls often don't have great deals like ones back in the states.  Those are just observable facts that we all are able to know after living here.  Those are facts that Koreans who have spent time abroad also know.  Just a simple truth.  Don't get too upset by it Martin. 
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: Savant on December 14, 2018, 11:04:24 am

We got a great table from Ikea for around 250,000 total (frame + top) and I see the same table in a lot of Koreans' re-modelling apartment photos.
Good grief people, IKEA is the Reese's or Chipotle of furniture. It's got decent stuff at it's price point, but it's not the be all end all. And at times it's more like the Coldstone of furniture in that it can be hideous trash. Not saying Korean furniture is any better, but "I know good furniture- IKEA!!!!" OMFG, really?

I think you haven't been to Ikea for awhile. They have great stuff at affordable prices. Sure, there is their cheap wooden furniture but you get what you pay for.

If you take a look at Korean people's re-modelling projects then you can spot a lot of Ikea stuff.

Or are you trashing the stylistic points of Koreans? Say it ain't so!
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: PatrickBateman on December 14, 2018, 12:55:29 pm
Martino - So you want me to haggle the price of a jacket at Lotte Dept. store?  The price on the tag is not the real price?  Yeah, you can do that at a market but a dept. store..  Isn't it illegal to falsify the price at corporate places? 

Anyways, definitely not gonna start an argument about anything Korean with you.  It's a fact that for the quality of products Koreans produce, the price is extremely overpriced.  Protectionism and lack of foreign competition has made Korean consumers think this is normal and cost them tons of money and left them with inferior products. 

Just go to Uniqlo and see how packed it is.  A foreign company entered the marketplace and offered decent clothing at an affordable price.  Koreans drank it up like soju on a Friday night.   If Koreans want to sell their products abroad without high tariffs, they're gonna have to let the waygooks sell their goods here as well.  It's been happening and that's why we see lower priced high-quality products at Costco and some other places.  Have you been to Costco??  It's the busiest store in Korea and the highest revenue producing  Costco in the world.  Looks like Koreans have been waiting for this reprieve instead of being held hostage by their Chaebols.

And what's great about all this??  Now Korean companies will up their game and make more competitive products.  See how free market capitalism benefits the consumer? 
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Post by: Piggydee on December 14, 2018, 01:03:35 pm
I'm curious how much is it that it's actual craftmanship we are pay for and how much of it is just arbitary numbers put on something.  After all, the company Superme sold a single brick to the public for $30.  This generation seems to throw their money at something if it's hyped up enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPLWTT3ZVMo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPLWTT3ZVMo)
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: hangook77 on December 16, 2018, 11:49:46 pm
I order my winter shit from ll bean.  Coat, boots, thermal underwear, etc.  Fleece slippers for my schools during the colder months, some rain boot type shoes that are slip on, etc.  I don't buy general fashion from them.  But warmth for a good price even with duties and shipping is cheaper than here.  Plus none of the tiny sizes that are too tight garbage.
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Post by: MayorHaggar on December 17, 2018, 05:30:58 am
The point that DeMartino is wildly trying to steer away from and get into one of his rabbit hole frantic attacks on the west arguments is that Korean department stores tend to be absurdly over-priced.  Korean outlet stores and malls often don't have great deals like ones back in the states.  Those are just observable facts that we all are able to know after living here.  Those are facts that Koreans who have spent time abroad also know.  Just a simple truth.  Don't get too upset by it Martin.

Clearly all those Koreans who order cheaper and better-quality Samsung washing machines and Hyundai cars from the US are actually not real Koreans and just anti-Korea foreign devils! KOREAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Post by: Chester Jim on December 17, 2018, 08:43:49 am
I'm curious how much is it that it's actual craftmanship we are pay for and how much of it is just arbitary numbers put on something.  After all, the company Superme sold a single brick to the public for $30.  This generation seems to throw their money at something if it's hyped up enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPLWTT3ZVMo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPLWTT3ZVMo)

This looks like the carhartt store that they opened in hongdae, but not as a joke.
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: JNM on December 17, 2018, 08:54:04 am
I took my 10 year-old through the Shinsegae boutiques last night (movie was sold out, so had time to kill.)

Even a 10 year-old knows those prices are insane!
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 17, 2018, 09:40:01 am
Martino - So you want me to haggle the price of a jacket at Lotte Dept. store?  The price on the tag is not the real price?  Yeah, you can do that at a market but a dept. store..  Isn't it illegal to falsify the price at corporate places? 

Anyways, definitely not gonna start an argument about anything Korean with you.  It's a fact that for the quality of products Koreans produce, the price is extremely overpriced.  Protectionism and lack of foreign competition has made Korean consumers think this is normal and cost them tons of money and left them with inferior products. 

Just go to Uniqlo and see how packed it is.  A foreign company entered the marketplace and offered decent clothing at an affordable price.  Koreans drank it up like soju on a Friday night.   If Koreans want to sell their products abroad without high tariffs, they're gonna have to let the waygooks sell their goods here as well.  It's been happening and that's why we see lower priced high-quality products at Costco and some other places.  Have you been to Costco??  It's the busiest store in Korea and the highest revenue producing  Costco in the world.  Looks like Koreans have been waiting for this reprieve instead of being held hostage by their Chaebols.

And what's great about all this??  Now Korean companies will up their game and make more competitive products.  See how free market capitalism benefits the consumer? 
aa/

You don't haggle at Lotte, but you don't pay sticker price either. At the lower-end dept. stores you might haggle. Also, it's not a false price if they offer a sale. Dude, anyone who has done any shopping in Korea knows that if a clothing price tag says W500,000 that you can probably find it being sold for something like W129,000 if you know when to shop and what to ask.

The daily white dress shirts I wear, I essentially use as disposables and pay like W13,000 for. They come in a package with a price tag that says W65,000. You're an idiot if you're paying W65,000 won and believe that's what most people are paying for them. They only do that for the dumb people.

The protectionism also enabled the rise of a middle class and allowed the to develop industries. There's more to life than cheap consumer goods made in Malaysia. The Korean economy does not exist to make YOU happy. So yes, there are higher prices, but it's not as wildly overpriced as you think it is.

Also, what company are they excluding? What company is being kept out? It's not like Korean companies are competing with discount American or European clothing brands. No one in Korea is running off to buy noname American brands you buy at Wal-Mart. They're buying U.S. upscale and luxury brands. I don't think your consumer model is quite accurate.

A lot of it comes down to brand recognition. Uniqlo is known internationally. There's nothing dramatically different from Korean clothes you find on Gmarket in terms of quality (sorry, if you think Uniqlo is significantly better in terms of quality, you're an idiot). What it does have is an established brand so people won't think you're buying no-name cheap ass Gmarket clothing.

It's the brand-name recognition, not the quality that Costco is selling. Someone buying a bunch of Calvin Klein boxer shorts isn't buying them because of their quality. They're buying them because of the name and the sex appeal of them. You could replace the logo with "Han Sung" and no one would buy them, even if they were otherwise identical.

I'm trying to tell you that this perception of quality is as much in your head as it is in theirs. You're doing the same thing as them.

Every country that has developed it's domestic economy to the point of being able to export things has used protectionism. If you don't, you get swamped by outsiders and can't even start up. You have to have a base before you can compete.
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 17, 2018, 09:50:07 am
I'm curious how much is it that it's actual craftmanship we are pay for and how much of it is just arbitary numbers put on something.  After all, the company Superme sold a single brick to the public for $30.  This generation seems to throw their money at something if it's hyped up enough.
Pretty much. I notice a lot of people who struggle with this are men. Women tend to have more experience buying clothes of varying quality and know what to expect from a cheap pair of shoes at W20,000 vs. W200,000 or W800,000 and what is a ripoff and so on.

As I try to tell everyone, a lot of it is all made in the same damn Bangladeshi factory. Korean logo on it? "It's overpriced crap with bad quality" Familiar brand logo "High quality item". A lot of it is confirmation bias as well.

Cheap crap clothing here is sold for cheap crap prices. If you're paying a lot for Korean crap clothing, you're shopping stupid. I can't help you if you're paying W10,000 for 3 pairs of socks that are the same ones you get from some truck on the street at 3 pairs for W1,000.

Like, there are definite rip-offs and things can be more expensive, but you just have to shop smart, both domestically and with stuff from overseas. That means checking for sales, googling brands, shopping around, haggling, and so on.
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 17, 2018, 09:53:23 am
Does anyone know if the deliberately high sticker prices on some goods is essentially a "face-saving" tactic and an off-shoot of Chinese discount bragging culture?

Here's a hint- you're more likely to sell to a Chinese person (and people in general) if you sell them something at $45 marked down from $90 than something at $40 that you marked down from $45.
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: alexisalex on December 17, 2018, 10:08:33 am
If you really think that there's no difference between a Calvin Klein tshirt and a no name, cheap Gmarket one then I don't know what to tell you.

You actually believe that they're the same tshirt but with a different tag sewn into it?

Lol factories aren't limited to only using one kind of material and one design spec.
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Post by: eggieguffer on December 17, 2018, 10:09:44 am
Does anyone know if the deliberately high sticker prices on some goods is essentially a "face-saving" tactic and an off-shoot of Chinese discount bragging culture?

Here's a hint- you're more likely to sell to a Chinese person (and people in general) if you sell them something at $45 marked down from $90 than something at $40 that you marked down from $45.

Yeah,  I guess you're generally more likely to sell to anyone if you lie about stuff
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on December 17, 2018, 10:47:05 am
If you really think that there's no difference between a Calvin Klein tshirt and a no name, cheap Gmarket one then I don't know what to tell you.

You actually believe that they're the same tshirt but with a different tag sewn into it?

Lol factories aren't limited to only using one kind of material and one design spec.
No, they're not the same. There's thread count, stitch pattern, fabric blend, sizing, and cut.

But if you took off the tags, had people wear em, I don't think people's perceptions would be quite as disparate. I've had plenty of designer sweaters/shirts/etc. not be up to snuff as well.

About the only thing I've found that really is worth it and has no comparison and I could tell the difference is Haggar's slacks. I've heard the same with Clark's shoes, though I've never worn them. A lot of the other stuff is just a designer's name on Indonesian sameness.   
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: eggieguffer on December 17, 2018, 11:03:17 am
If you really think that there's no difference between a Calvin Klein tshirt and a no name, cheap Gmarket one then I don't know what to tell you.

You actually believe that they're the same tshirt but with a different tag sewn into it?

Lol factories aren't limited to only using one kind of material and one design spec.
No, they're not the same. There's thread count, stitch pattern, fabric blend, sizing, and cut.

But if you took off the tags, had people wear em, I don't think people's perceptions would be quite as disparate. I've had plenty of designer sweaters/shirts/etc. not be up to snuff as well.

About the only thing I've found that really is worth it and has no comparison and I could tell the difference is Haggar's slacks. I've heard the same with Clark's shoes, though I've never worn them. A lot of the other stuff is just a designer's name on Indonesian sameness.

I've had respectable brand expensive stuff over the years that's fallen apart quite soon and Primark type stuff that's lasted for years. And vice versa. But then again I'm always hearing about guys wearing ' cheap suits' in movies/literature but am pretty sure I wouldn't be able to pick one out. I could pick out a badly fitting suit, so maybe that's what they mean.
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: tylerthegloob on December 17, 2018, 12:01:53 pm
anyone who thinks the price of a thing and it's quality are necessarily related is drinking some weird kool-aid
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: OnNut81 on December 17, 2018, 12:10:49 pm
eggieguffer:  But then again I'm always hearing about guys wearing ' cheap suits' in movies/literature but am pretty sure I wouldn't be able to pick one out. I could pick out a badly fitting suit, so maybe that's what they mean.


You might surprise yourself.  Go take a long look at the window of a Parkland.  That will give you the foundation for a bad suit. And, I hate to say this, but empirically speaking English teachers at other English teachers' weddings tend to to wear some pretty crappy suits.  Note the shine. 

Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: eggieguffer on December 17, 2018, 12:24:09 pm
eggieguffer:  But then again I'm always hearing about guys wearing ' cheap suits' in movies/literature but am pretty sure I wouldn't be able to pick one out. I could pick out a badly fitting suit, so maybe that's what they mean.


You might surprise yourself.  Go take a long look at the window of a Parkland.  That will give you the foundation for a bad suit. And, I hate to say this, but empirically speaking English teachers at other English teachers' weddings tend to to wear some pretty crappy suits.  Note the shine.

So shiny = cheap?
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: alexisalex on December 17, 2018, 12:37:46 pm
If you really think that there's no difference between a Calvin Klein tshirt and a no name, cheap Gmarket one then I don't know what to tell you.

You actually believe that they're the same tshirt but with a different tag sewn into it?

Lol factories aren't limited to only using one kind of material and one design spec.
No, they're not the same. There's thread count, stitch pattern, fabric blend, sizing, and cut.

But if you took off the tags, had people wear em, I don't think people's perceptions would be quite as disparate. I've had plenty of designer sweaters/shirts/etc. not be up to snuff as well.

About the only thing I've found that really is worth it and has no comparison and I could tell the difference is Haggar's slacks. I've heard the same with Clark's shoes, though I've never worn them. A lot of the other stuff is just a designer's name on Indonesian sameness.

Yeah I agree with you there about the influence of the tags.

Clark's are very good quality.  I'd pick some up here if they weren't so bloody expensive  :wink:
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Post by: belo horizonte on December 17, 2018, 01:11:23 pm
anyone who thinks the price of a thing and it's quality are necessarily related is drinking some weird kool-aid

True. I get my suits from Tesco when I'm back in the UK, they are inexpensive but really well made.
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: JNM on December 17, 2018, 01:12:10 pm
eggieguffer:  But then again I'm always hearing about guys wearing ' cheap suits' in movies/literature but am pretty sure I wouldn't be able to pick one out. I could pick out a badly fitting suit, so maybe that's what they mean.


You might surprise yourself.  Go take a long look at the window of a Parkland.  That will give you the foundation for a bad suit. And, I hate to say this, but empirically speaking English teachers at other English teachers' weddings tend to to wear some pretty crappy suits.  Note the shine.

So shiny = cheap?
Unless it is silk, shine is a good indicator.
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Post by: Mister Tim on December 17, 2018, 01:13:53 pm
I get my suits from I do not own a suit.
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Post by: Savant on December 17, 2018, 01:14:39 pm
eggieguffer:  But then again I'm always hearing about guys wearing ' cheap suits' in movies/literature but am pretty sure I wouldn't be able to pick one out. I could pick out a badly fitting suit, so maybe that's what they mean.


You might surprise yourself.  Go take a long look at the window of a Parkland.  That will give you the foundation for a bad suit. And, I hate to say this, but empirically speaking English teachers at other English teachers' weddings tend to to wear some pretty crappy suits.  Note the shine.

So shiny = cheap?
Unless it is silk, shine is a good indicator.

I prefer the word "luster". Sounds more luxurious.
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Post by: OnNut81 on December 17, 2018, 01:15:34 pm
Shiny isn't necessarily cheap, it's just something you'd expect in a seventies area Scorsese mob flick.  It's gaudy. 
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Post by: oglop on December 17, 2018, 01:36:20 pm
when someone says "that suit looks cheap", i take it meaning "that suit isn't fashionable"

you don't need to spend an awful lot on a decent suit; just make sure it fits (probably the biggest issue) and that it isn't 70s-아쩌씨-style)
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Post by: shostager on December 17, 2018, 01:45:05 pm
Since it sounds like there are some suit experts in here, quick question: I've wanted to get a suit for a while, and found this on Gmarket. A full suit (jacket, pants, vest) is ~150k. The material seems to be polyester (원단 / 폴리에스테르 it says). Is this a decent deal/suit or not?
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Post by: eggieguffer on December 17, 2018, 01:45:50 pm
So it fits well, it's not shiny and it's in a fashionable style, that's it? Would anyone claim to be able to distinguish a cheap suit from an expensive one for any other reason?
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: Davey on December 17, 2018, 01:48:03 pm
Well had my first experience in a Korean department store.  Been here awhile and never need to step foot in one.  I have a gf and wanted to buy her a new coat so I suggested we go shopping.  We went to Lotte Dept. store.


What in the actual f..  All these no name Korean brands selling basic wool coats or whatever for asinine amounts of money.  800k for a pea coat made by J.Moonwangdong bla bla or 1.2m for a coat made by Winterwonderland jihhee lee..  Do Koreans think a higher price automatically means good.. high quality and well made? 

The quality was on par with any other mass-produced item from China sweatshops.  Who in the world is paying these prices?  Do rich Koreans just have money to burn? Yes, they do.  I assume when rich Koreans want to spend money on high fashion they buy italian, english and french name brands that people know so they can show off their wealth.  They're ostentatious like that.


I said fug this.. lets go to Costco.  My American company didn't let me down.  High-quality coats at a reasonable price.

Don't waste your time in these overpriced traps.  Can't believe how freaking crowded it was. Most Koreans were rummaging around the sales bin like rabid dogs in heat.  So maybe the expensive stuff is just a ploy since I saw barely anyone buying it.

Veblen  effect and it's NOT exclusive to just Koreans as somebody else mentioned--ultimately, people are people.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/11/30/they-had-us-fooled-inside-paylesss-elaborate-prank-dupe-people-into-paying-shoes/?noredirect=on
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Post by: Chinguetti on December 17, 2018, 01:48:20 pm
Whenever I look at a suit to determine its worth, I pay attention to the way it's been cut and how it's been stitched. The material's important, too, but not as important as the cut and stitching. This is the same for basically anything I look at, really, and this is what I use to gauge how overpriced a clothing item may be. Most people don't know what to look for, so they gauge by brand name.

With all that being said, even cheap stuff can look great on you if you get them fitted for your body and know how to wear/accessorize them.

And I don't personally think shiny suits are a fashion faux pas. They're more like a fashion risk. You need to have the right cut, color, and fit. Most people can't pull them off anyway.
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Post by: oglop on December 17, 2018, 01:51:55 pm
So it fits well, it's not shiny and it's in a fashionable style, that's it? Would anyone claim to be able to distinguish a cheap suit from an expensive one for any other reason?
good question. any "suit experts" here? isn't aristocrat always talking about fashion? wonder if he has any insights
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: Davey on December 17, 2018, 02:01:51 pm
So it fits well, it's not shiny and it's in a fashionable style, that's it? Would anyone claim to be able to distinguish a cheap suit from an expensive one for any other reason?
good question. any "suit experts" here? isn't aristocrat always talking about fashion? wonder if he has any insights

Fit is the important thing then comes the colour/color.  I've gotten complimenets from wearing $200-$300 suits from Zara and Express.

Shiny is fine as long it ain't excessive. I work in the financial district in Toronto, Canada and I see people wearing suits with shine all the time, but I do agree cheap suits in Korea overdo it.

Ensure the suit is primarily made from wool--cotton is Ok for the summer, but just be prepared to iron it often.



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Post by: pkjh on December 17, 2018, 02:16:20 pm
So it fits well, it's not shiny and it's in a fashionable style, that's it? Would anyone claim to be able to distinguish a cheap suit from an expensive one for any other reason?
good question. any "suit experts" here? isn't aristocrat always talking about fashion? wonder if he has any insights
It's mostly fit that matters. A cheap suit with a good fit, looks much better than an expensive suit with a lousy fit. As long as you don't got random strands hanging from your suit, it's should be fine.
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: Davey on December 17, 2018, 02:21:31 pm
Since it sounds like there are some suit experts in here, quick question: I've wanted to get a suit for a while, and found this on Gmarket. A full suit (jacket, pants, vest) is ~150k. The material seems to be polyester (원단 / 폴리에스테르 it says). Is this a decent deal/suit or not?

The issue with polyester is that it's not very comfy and breathable, meaning it's only good during colder seasons. Try it for now and see how you feel.  If you don't like it, spend another 100k or 200k more on better material (as I mentioned, wool is ideal, cotton more for warmer seasons).
 
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Post by: Kayos on December 17, 2018, 03:00:15 pm
I get my suits from I do not own a suit.

I -have- a suit, but I've only worn it like twice. Maybe 3 times if you include trying it on. :p
Suits are so uncomfortable, I would only wish them on my worst enemies.
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: alexisalex on December 18, 2018, 08:32:09 am
Does anyone here (teachers) wear a suit to work?

I remember before coming here with EPIK, one of the things the co-ordinator told us was to bring a suit to wear for when we meet our coteachers/principal for the first time.  I was quite stressed out about it because I didn't own a suit and didn't really want to buy one.

Thank god I didn't.  Knowing what I know now about this job and the environment, wearing a suit would have been ridiculous hahaha  :laugh:
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Post by: tylerthegloob on December 18, 2018, 08:39:34 am
Does anyone here (teachers) wear a suit to work?

I remember before coming here with EPIK, one of the things the co-ordinator told us was to bring a suit to wear for when we meet our coteachers/principal for the first time.  I was quite stressed out about it because I didn't own a suit and didn't really want to buy one.

Thank god I didn't.  Knowing what I know now about this job and the environment, wearing a suit would have been ridiculous hahaha  :laugh:

i have a friend who works at a foreign language high school here and he has to wear a suit everyday. i was lucky and my coordinator told me i didn't really need to bring a suit.
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Post by: Chinguetti on December 18, 2018, 08:40:50 am
Thank god I didn't.  Knowing what I know now about this job and the environment, wearing a suit would have been ridiculous hahaha  :laugh:

I did it.

I definitely made an impression.  :laugh:
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Post by: zola on December 18, 2018, 08:45:50 am
In Japan you have to wear a suit, or at least a shirt and tie everyday. First place I worked they wanted us to wear a full suit everyday, all seasons. Other place you could lose the suit jacket, but allowed to roll your shirt sleeves up.
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Post by: Kayos on December 18, 2018, 09:10:26 am
Does anyone here (teachers) wear a suit to work?

I remember before coming here with EPIK, one of the things the co-ordinator told us was to bring a suit to wear for when we meet our coteachers/principal for the first time.  I was quite stressed out about it because I didn't own a suit and didn't really want to buy one.

Thank god I didn't.  Knowing what I know now about this job and the environment, wearing a suit would have been ridiculous hahaha  :laugh:

We got told "formal business attire" but minimum of business shirt and tie and dress pants.
My principals first comment to me was "You are overdressed."
As long as I wear long pants, I can wear anything else.

So, I do dress pants and a casual t-shirt :p
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Post by: StillInKorea on December 18, 2018, 09:37:31 am
I've never understood fashion. Anything that's not smelly, covered in stains or full of holes is OK for me.
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: pkjh on December 18, 2018, 10:53:26 am
Does anyone here (teachers) wear a suit to work?

I remember before coming here with EPIK, one of the things the co-ordinator told us was to bring a suit to wear for when we meet our coteachers/principal for the first time.  I was quite stressed out about it because I didn't own a suit and didn't really want to buy one.

Thank god I didn't.  Knowing what I know now about this job and the environment, wearing a suit would have been ridiculous hahaha  :laugh:

i have a friend who works at a foreign language high school here and he has to wear a suit everyday. i was lucky and my coordinator told me i didn't really need to bring a suit.
Depends on the school, but some schools can be pretty conservative.

I once worked a very conservative all boys private Middle/High School. Of the about 100 teachers there, maybe 5 were women, and 2 of them were secretaries. Virtually all the men wore suits from like September until May-ish. During the summer months we wore short sleeved collared, or golf, shirts. Even my 2 day a week circulating school, which was fully public, the men wore suits. Although only about 20% of the teachers there were men. I guess it was the town I was in, and their expectations, dictated the dress 'code'.

Then I went to my 2nd school, 2 years later, and half the men were wearing t-shirts. Big culture change... lol
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: leaponover on January 10, 2019, 07:46:44 pm
Well had my first experience in a Korean department store.  Been here awhile and never need to step foot in one.  I have a gf and wanted to buy her a new coat so I suggested we go shopping.  We went to Lotte Dept. store.


What in the actual f..  All these no name Korean brands selling basic wool coats or whatever for asinine amounts of money.  800k for a pea coat made by J.Moonwangdong bla bla or 1.2m for a coat made by Winterwonderland jihhee lee..  Do Koreans think a higher price automatically means good.. high quality and well made? 

The quality was on par with any other mass-produced item from China sweatshops.  Who in the world is paying these prices?  Do rich Koreans just have money to burn? Yes, they do.  I assume when rich Koreans want to spend money on high fashion they buy italian, english and french name brands that people know so they can show off their wealth.  They're ostentatious like that.


I said fug this.. lets go to Costco.  My American company didn't let me down.  High-quality coats at a reasonable price.

Don't waste your time in these overpriced traps.  Can't believe how freaking crowded it was. Most Koreans were rummaging around the sales bin like rabid dogs in heat.  So maybe the expensive stuff is just a ploy since I saw barely anyone buying it.

I'm confused.  It was your first time walking into a department store and you automatically are able to make a snap judgement about the quality? 

I never cared much about brand names until I actually paid attention to what real quality is.  My wife has some brand name stuff and I'll say, wow that's looks beautiful and she'll reply that it's ten or fifteen years old.  That's pretty good quality.  I suggest you don't have the mentality to live in a foreign country if snap judgments are normal operating procedure for you.
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: #basedcowboyshirt on January 11, 2019, 11:13:01 am
Well had my first experience in a Korean department store.  Been here awhile and never need to step foot in one.  I have a gf and wanted to buy her a new coat so I suggested we go shopping.  We went to Lotte Dept. store.


What in the actual f..  All these no name Korean brands selling basic wool coats or whatever for asinine amounts of money.  800k for a pea coat made by J.Moonwangdong bla bla or 1.2m for a coat made by Winterwonderland jihhee lee..  Do Koreans think a higher price automatically means good.. high quality and well made? 

The quality was on par with any other mass-produced item from China sweatshops.  Who in the world is paying these prices?  Do rich Koreans just have money to burn? Yes, they do.  I assume when rich Koreans want to spend money on high fashion they buy italian, english and french name brands that people know so they can show off their wealth.  They're ostentatious like that.


I said fug this.. lets go to Costco.  My American company didn't let me down.  High-quality coats at a reasonable price.

Don't waste your time in these overpriced traps.  Can't believe how freaking crowded it was. Most Koreans were rummaging around the sales bin like rabid dogs in heat.  So maybe the expensive stuff is just a ploy since I saw barely anyone buying it.

I'm confused.  It was your first time walking into a department store and you automatically are able to make a snap judgement about the quality? 

I never cared much about brand names until I actually paid attention to what real quality is.  My wife has some brand name stuff and I'll say, wow that's looks beautiful and she'll reply that it's ten or fifteen years old.  That's pretty good quality.  I suggest you don't have the mentality to live in a foreign country if snap judgments are normal operating procedure for you.

I'm not in any way disagreeing with you, but a lot of the time when luxury or fashion-brand name stuff still looks good ten of fifteen years later, it's partly due to the quality, but also partly due to it getting treated more carefully and receiving less wear and tear than your day-to-day clothes.

Even the best fabric in the world will wear out eventually if it's getting heavy use.
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: leaponover on January 11, 2019, 11:46:39 am
Well had my first experience in a Korean department store.  Been here awhile and never need to step foot in one.  I have a gf and wanted to buy her a new coat so I suggested we go shopping.  We went to Lotte Dept. store.


What in the actual f..  All these no name Korean brands selling basic wool coats or whatever for asinine amounts of money.  800k for a pea coat made by J.Moonwangdong bla bla or 1.2m for a coat made by Winterwonderland jihhee lee..  Do Koreans think a higher price automatically means good.. high quality and well made? 

The quality was on par with any other mass-produced item from China sweatshops.  Who in the world is paying these prices?  Do rich Koreans just have money to burn? Yes, they do.  I assume when rich Koreans want to spend money on high fashion they buy italian, english and french name brands that people know so they can show off their wealth.  They're ostentatious like that.


I said fug this.. lets go to Costco.  My American company didn't let me down.  High-quality coats at a reasonable price.

Don't waste your time in these overpriced traps.  Can't believe how freaking crowded it was. Most Koreans were rummaging around the sales bin like rabid dogs in heat.  So maybe the expensive stuff is just a ploy since I saw barely anyone buying it.

I'm confused.  It was your first time walking into a department store and you automatically are able to make a snap judgement about the quality? 

I never cared much about brand names until I actually paid attention to what real quality is.  My wife has some brand name stuff and I'll say, wow that's looks beautiful and she'll reply that it's ten or fifteen years old.  That's pretty good quality.  I suggest you don't have the mentality to live in a foreign country if snap judgments are normal operating procedure for you.

I'm not in any way disagreeing with you, but a lot of the time when luxury or fashion-brand name stuff still looks good ten of fifteen years later, it's partly due to the quality, but also partly due to it getting treated more carefully and receiving less wear and tear than your day-to-day clothes.

Even the best fabric in the world will wear out eventually if it's getting heavy use.

Yeah, I mean she has some t-shirts from her favorite store that started getting holes after ten years or so.  The sweaters and other things still look like new.  My point was, you cannot tell quality from price and the OP says he's seeing these brands for the first time.  It's quite unfair to make a judgement about quality just based on the price when he's equipped with such little experience.

Of course you treat it better, but that's kind of the point.  The OP just assumes people are buying them because their name brand, completing ignoring the other variables such as the quality of the material, how it feels against your skin and other important things. 

I was a bargain bin shopper in America and when I first came to Korea.  Since then I've been blessed with some success and I can tell a very real and cost worthy difference between wearing Homeplus clothes and buying Beanpole not to mention I'm not throwing clothes out nearly as often as I used to.
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: Chester Jim on January 11, 2019, 12:18:00 pm
No one cares that you have a Korean girlfriend.
Title: Re: Holy *hit. Went to a Korean Dept. Store w/gf
Post by: tylerthegloob on January 11, 2019, 12:44:02 pm
No one cares that you have a Korean girlfriend.

I care. Caught you, Jimbo.

No one cares that you don't care, though. That's a fact, my guy.   :angel: