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Title: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: tommyb.goode on October 27, 2017, 10:32:36 am
Hi all,

I've had some great advice in the past off you guys on the subject of China.
I'm looking to leave Korea at the end of February.

I've been looking over the teaching options in China and after a lot of time on Daves ESL cafe, and I haven't been impressed by any job offers yet. Most have been after school language schools like wall street and disney.

What I'm really looking for is a public school or private school (not hagwon actual private school) situation.
I believe I'm a good teacher and I have a few years under my belt at public schools here in Korea amongst other things. Does anyone know any good reliable recruiters or spaces to look for jobs in? Perhaps Daves is the best?
 Thanks so much.
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: CodyHoffman77 on October 27, 2017, 10:56:03 am
I used the Western recruiter "Teach ESL China" who were awesome and got me an interview with a couple recruitment agencies in Shenzhen. I ended up interviewing and going with SDE (Seadragon Education) and I am currently happy in my public primary job. A lot of the SDE teachers I've met have experience in Korea as well before coming here.
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: meldrew on October 27, 2017, 11:02:12 am
The public school scene is very different compared to Korea. You can't fall in to a similar EPIK/GEPIK programme. The 'best' options are universities and there are a lot of positions.

You are looking at the right time because most of January and February the universities are typically closed. You need to have the position sorted out between now and end of December.

Do you have at least 2 years teaching experience? Do you have some kind of TESOL certificate?

Dave's is not the best for jobs in China.

So, what offers are you looking for? Your expectations regarding the remuneration package is key. The money is rarely even close to what you can earn in Korea but the holistically you can  earn more, save more and have more fun.

EDIT: Another issue is the date you end in February. Most FAOs expect you to do the paperwork from your home country. The start of next semester is March 5th however 'late' arrival is a surprisingly normal part of recruitment here, to the frustration of the faculty that needs to cover.
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: tommyb.goode on October 27, 2017, 11:40:04 am
The public school scene is very different compared to Korea. You can't fall in to a similar EPIK/GEPIK programme. The 'best' options are universities and there are a lot of positions.

You are looking at the right time because most of January and February the universities are typically closed. You need to have the position sorted out between now and end of December.

Do you have at least 2 years teaching experience? Do you have some kind of TESOL certificate?

Dave's is not the best for jobs in China.

So, what offers are you looking for? Your expectations regarding the remuneration package is key. The money is rarely even close to what you can earn in Korea but the holistically you can  earn more, save more and have more fun.

EDIT: Another issue is the date you end in February. Most FAOs expect you to do the paperwork from your home country. The start of next semester is March 5th however 'late' arrival is a surprisingly normal part of recruitment here, to the frustration of the faculty that needs to cover.

Thanks for the info.
Yes I have about three years experience. Iím well aware of the differences, Iím just trying my best to avoid a bad hagwon style system. My current contract will finish at the end of Feb and I have about 15 dayís vacation I can take at the end. That might not leave much time for paperwork so hopefully there will be workaround.

What Iím really looking for is a decent teaching gig and above entry level pay. I know thisíll be less initially than most jobs here. Also Iím primarily interested in Shanghai as I have friends there.
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: kobayashi on October 27, 2017, 12:44:43 pm
if you want to go the public school route, this is the email of the guy who helps with/does recruitment for Shenzhen public schools: barry.kirkwood81@gmail.com

it was 3 years ago that i last contacted that guy (decided not to stay in Korea at that time, so never really followed through on moving to China), so he may have moved on, but worth giving it a try anyway if Shenzhen appeals to you.
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: handsome_gwangju_teacher on October 27, 2017, 01:18:57 pm
The paperwork required to teach English in China is much more strict these days (but still not as strict as Korea) You will need a notarized degree and police check from your country, and also it needs to be "authenticated" by the Chinese embassy in your jurisdiction. You also need a TEFL and 2 letters of recommendation with ink signatures. It's a pain in the ass to organize all this from Korea, so I advise you to get started on it as early as possible.

https://www.totalesl.com/total-esl-scams?id=220576
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/av4pvj/the-chinese-esl-industrial-complex-shady-working-conditions-abound-for-foreign-english-teachers-in-china-127

When searching for jobs, be careful of scams. A lot of job offers on Daves are just people posing as recruiters phishing for your personal information, which they sell to other companies or use to set up credit cards in your name. Never send a photocopy of your passport or other personal information to a recruiter until you're sure they're legitimate. Same goes for schools that contact you. Check out these websites for more info.


Lastly,once you recieved an offer, always make sure to Google the name of your school for reviews. Check Glassdoor, too. Good luck
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: meldrew on October 28, 2017, 01:28:36 am
Your first move in to China, like any other country can be hit or miss. Shanghai will be expensive.

I know it is illegal but you teachers having a 2nd job is very common here, especially those that work in a city (it doesn't have to be a major city) and have university hours. The route most take is to try and get a university job in a city and then do privates/academy on top.

With BA, 2+ years and TEFL certificate you're still bottom rung here, really. (Sounds harsher than it is supposed to sound)

Here's some generalisations:

University job: Pay 6,000 - 9,000pm starting. Usually about 10-20 periods a week. Usually a day off during the week. Usually 4 months off (possibly only 2 months of which is paid.. 10 month contracts are standard but not the only option.

Public school job: I have seen jobs advertising pay of 8,000 - 20,000pm could be 20-30 periods, usually 40 hour week. Holidays paid. 10 month contracts usually.

Training Centres (hagwons): 12 month contracts, usually 40 hour week. I've seen 12,000 - to 20,000pm pay.

It is pretty easy to double your pay by finding part time work in a training centre. They don't go driving around for privates. Many go in to class with a lesson plan provided by the school. I would always recommend a university job over the others in China.

Two agencies I would recommend:

China Connection     http://www.teachenglishinchina.com/    They post their latest jobs on Dave's. I went with these guys for my latest job; very professional and really easy to communicate with.

Angelina's               http://cafe.anesl.com/joblist.aspx   I haven't used this agency but they have a huge list of jobs, I do check it regularly.

If my next job is in China, I'll be going through one of these.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: tommyb.goode on October 30, 2017, 07:54:45 am
Thanks for this, I really appreciate it! Great sources.
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: tommyb.goode on October 31, 2017, 10:08:07 am
Check out my youtube channel  roy on youtube and I post about my experiences in China.  Any questions then feel free to ask.

Roy.

No thanks, already saw your fake online dating video.
Anyone looking for actual  info on living in China should check out ADVChina on youtube. But that's not the topic of this thread.
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: Bulldogs12 on January 02, 2018, 10:51:23 am
If it's your first time to China I also highly recommend SDE and Shenzhen if you want to work in public schools (and not have too many hours like you'd get at a training centre). With SDE, I taught at high school mostly however I did cover teachers at primary and middle schools (my school was Meilin Middle School which was more like a high school).
I've tried to live in quieter/smaller cities and it didn't work for me however in Shenzhen and Guangzhou (I later worked at a college here) I was happy. Shenzhen/Guangdong is very wet/hot for 7-8 months of the year (if you hate Korean summers reconsider); an upside is Hong Kong is also very close. I went to Shenzhen with only a tourist/business visa directly from Korea in late 2013 (I got the visa in HK, later on I got my Z visa); for 2018 I think the entry requirements are much stricter into mainland China (best to enter with a Z visa which may require you to fly home or perhaps there's a courier service of some kind to transport documents).

I didn't mind teaching at college/uni if you want to teach adults (I worked at a company called Australian Higher Education Network); they paid me on time and I got my winter holidays (they have colleges around various parts of China including Guangdong). I was also able to do a little discreet side work (along with getting free accommodation and flights reimbursed). If I ever return to China I'd probably teach at a college or public school; I tried to work for a place called World English in Zhangjiagang and I hated it (transparent windows into classrooms, 'demo' classes for a public audience and generally just more work involved and a lot of quick thinking as well however the area was also nowhere near as interesting as Guangzhou or Shenzhen for me).
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: fishead on March 26, 2018, 01:14:48 pm
I came to China after working for EPIK. I can tell you first hand that if you are looking for something similar to EPIK you will be very disappointed with China. Not that China is bad but more that China overall is simply not ready for an EPIK like program. I remember the early days of EPIK when it was highly disorganised and not as professional as it is now. There are lots of jobs that would loosely fit the profile of pre- 2009 EPIK.

I also met lots of people who were coming to China and had never experienced Korea let alone EPIK and they were fully satified with their situations. Here are a few things to know if you are leaving EPIK for China.

There is really no real team teaching. If you do find a real team teaching gig you are in the minority. In that way it is similar to early Epik when there was no team teaching.

Don't expect state of the art technology. More like state of the Fart technology. This goes from public schools right up to high End International schools.
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: hangook77 on March 26, 2018, 02:45:39 pm
I came to China after working for EPIK. I can tell you first hand that if you are looking for something similar to EPIK you will be very disappointed with China. Not that China is bad but more that China overall is simply not ready for an EPIK like program. I remember the early days of EPIK when it was highly disorganised and not as professional as it is now. There are lots of jobs that would loosely fit the profile of pre- 2009 EPIK.

I also met lots of people who were coming to China and had never experienced Korea let alone EPIK and they were fully satified with their situations. Here are a few things to know if you are leaving EPIK for China.

There is really no real team teaching. If you do find a real team teaching gig you are in the minority. In that way it is similar to early Epik when there was no team teaching.

Don't expect state of the art technology. More like state of the Fart technology. This goes from public schools right up to high End International schools.

Classrooms have computers and tv screens there?
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: kengreen on March 26, 2018, 04:46:18 pm
I really enjoy China. Plus lots of the jobs actually pay more than Korea. Don't be afraid to take the plunge.
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: meldrew on March 26, 2018, 08:31:41 pm
I have an interactive white board, projector and a computer built in to my podiums at a public university.

I'm very happy in China. I was thinking about heading back to Korea recently.... realised that would most likely be a mistake, financially and in lifestyle. I may still leave China at the end of this semester but it'll only be for a position providing a significantly better overall package.
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: meldrew on March 27, 2018, 11:12:03 pm


Salaries are low there.  But cost of living cheap and provided housing still make it possible to save in a uni job?  Sounds like a sweet package if it were.

I earn less than I did in Korea but I save more (about 1.1 million won a month) for doing 30 weeks work a year and on average 14 teaching periods per week. I've also got a PT job which adds another 300k won a month but that goes straight into Paypal which is my holiday fund. My PT job is online editing so I can do it at home in my underwear while listening to a podcast 1-2 hours a day.

I could earn much more too if I really wanted by doing private lessons or summer and winter camps. There's a plethora of options and they pay well. I couldn't take up these options over the last couple of years because I was doing my MA full time distance learning. Now, I've got that out the way... going to dabble in PT work.

22 weeks paid holiday a year compared to 2 weeks. 14 hours compared to 40 hours (25 teaching periods). Sunshine all year round. I'm happy with it.
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: some waygug-in on March 28, 2018, 12:31:38 am
I came to China after working for EPIK. I can tell you first hand that if you are looking for something similar to EPIK you will be very disappointed with China. Not that China is bad but more that China overall is simply not ready for an EPIK like program. I remember the early days of EPIK when it was highly disorganised and not as professional as it is now. There are lots of jobs that would loosely fit the profile of pre- 2009 EPIK.

I also met lots of people who were coming to China and had never experienced Korea let alone EPIK and they were fully satified with their situations. Here are a few things to know if you are leaving EPIK for China.

There is really no real team teaching. If you do find a real team teaching gig you are in the minority. In that way it is similar to early Epik when there was no team teaching.

Don't expect state of the art technology. More like state of the Fart technology. This goes from public schools right up to high End International schools.


Sounds like heaven,  I don't know why anyone would want a dysfunctional program like EPIK at all.
As far as I can tell, EPIK ruined public school positions in Korea.

I suppose I will get a lot of flak for posting this, but c'est la vie.
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: hangook77 on March 28, 2018, 07:51:34 am


Salaries are low there.  But cost of living cheap and provided housing still make it possible to save in a uni job?  Sounds like a sweet package if it were.

I earn less than I did in Korea but I save more (about 1.1 million won a month) for doing 30 weeks work a year and on average 14 teaching periods per week. I've also got a PT job which adds another 300k won a month but that goes straight into Paypal which is my holiday fund. My PT job is online editing so I can do it at home in my underwear while listening to a podcast 1-2 hours a day.

I could earn much more too if I really wanted by doing private lessons or summer and winter camps. There's a plethora of options and they pay well. I couldn't take up these options over the last couple of years because I was doing my MA full time distance learning. Now, I've got that out the way... going to dabble in PT work.

22 weeks paid holiday a year compared to 2 weeks. 14 hours compared to 40 hours (25 teaching periods). Sunshine all year round. I'm happy with it.

Sounds nice like you're living in a good part of China.  Not much pollution then.  Is it really difficult to send money home from there?  I hear you have to use western union and have a trustworthy relative on the other side?
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: meldrew on March 28, 2018, 01:43:52 pm
I've lucked out with my job and location, for sure. Sometimes I think I must be crazy to be looking elsewhere.

Yeah, sending money home can be problematic in China, but not always.

Western Union is an option (there are a lot of them around) but fees are high and there's limits. I'm not sure if those limits are provincial in China or just for the international destination or both.. but some American colleagues, sending money home to different states, had different limits from one another. One was as low as 400 USD if I remember correctly.

Paypal is a roundabout way of sending money home, but again... charges. I've used it a few times.

Going to a bank with a local person is the easiest way if you trust them. You put the money in their account and they send it from their account to where ever it is you're sending it. It's the cheapest way and I did this regularly for about 3 years.

Another option is withdrawing large sums on arrival back home at the airport. Previously my Chinese bank card worked in the UK. The last time it didn't with the exception being at the airport. I withdrew 700 quid. I could have probably withdrawn more but I didn't try. The cost of withdrawing at the airport ATM seemed to be better than W.U or Paypal charges.
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: meldrew on March 28, 2018, 04:28:52 pm
I think the person that could only send 400 USD was sending it to Arizona from Guangdong. I don't know if it was a daily limit or weekly. But there are a lot of limits in place when it comes to money. Western Union is NOT worth using on a daily basis though.

If you had to send home a certain amount EVERY month, ask the FAO for a student to help you go to the bank and get them to send it. Until you find a local person that you trust, it would be the best way to do it.
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: Mister Tim on March 30, 2018, 11:56:29 am
I had been lead to believe that it was impossible for non-residents to wire money home internationally, but doing a bit of digging it seems that might not be the case. I've found a couple sites talking about how it's possible to wire money internationally, depending on who you bank with, as long as you have the right information and go to the bank to do it in person.

Here's one: http://www.goayc.org/blog/2017/5/23/how-to-send-money-home-from-your-chinese-bank-account

They do mention daily limits, and though a limit would be potentially frustrating, it'd be better than the "impossible" I previously thought it was.

This says the limit is $500 a day for foreigners:

https://www.travelchinacheaper.com/how-to-send-money-to-from-china

Have any of you working in China looked in to that? The ability to send money home really is one of the main reasons I haven't looked too closely into jobs in China, because I'm not super keen on having to rely on a Chinese "friend" to do it for me.
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: meldrew on March 30, 2018, 05:47:45 pm
I will attempt to send money by myself on Monday from Ag Bank of China. Previously, Bank of China, (despite my 'international account') explained in perfect English that it was impossible for foreigners to transfer money out of the country with Bank of China. I will update you on Monday to see how this works.

Money Gram / Western Union. Foreigners can use them no problem. Fees are high and limits vary (daily, monthly and yearly ones).

Alipay doesn't work because 99.9% of foreign teachers will never get a green card. The green card gives you an ID number just like a local. Life would be much easier with one of these. However, a Chinese friend CAN use Alipay to send money to your account. However, last time I tried it wouldn't work for me because the form requires a SWIFT code which British banks do not use and you couldn't continue without it. An American colleague using a Chinese friend has successfully sent money this way.

 Paypal works but it is pretty expensive.

@MasterTim, It is absolutely possibly to organise this on a monthly basis. I did it for years by going to the bank with a Chinese student (organised by the uni), putting the money in their account and getting them to send it is the cheapest and easiest way, from my experience. Some people don't like it, but you are with the student at all times and typically those are students in a Foreign language or English association. It is their 'job' to help foreign teachers and they like doing it.
 
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: williethewimp on March 31, 2018, 08:37:53 am
I was just living in China and wired money back a couple of times, it's a pain but there are 3 options you can do (there MIGHT be a way to do it via PayPal setting up a Chinese PayPal account, friend said it worked sometimes and sometimes it didn't)

1) Western Union: Bank of China does it, without documentation its $500/day (in reality its like $484 as there is a $16 service charge), took them like 90 minutes to figure out how to do it

2) IF you can get all the proper paperwork (tax forms etc) you can wire your entire salary back by yourself, BUT this means going to like 3 different offices to get the right forms and again don't expect much English to be spoken

3) Perhaps the easiest way to do it, get a Chinese friend to wire it back from their own account, Chinese citizens can send out like $50k/year, transfer the money to their account then they can send it for you

HTH
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: StillInKorea on March 31, 2018, 09:04:45 am
I would be interested in China in the future if not for their retarded policy on wiring money. You're basically living hand to mouth unless you can easily transfer savings in and out of the country. Forget trusting a Chinese 'friend'.
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: caitlinly on March 31, 2018, 10:54:12 am
I live in China - you can send up to $500 USD out of the country per day, but no more than 2 consecutive days. So you can send on day 1, send on day 2, day 3 nothing, send on day 4 etc...
This is with Bank of China so you can definitely send money with them but the $500 limit is from the government. It costs 200 RMB to send the money.

You can also use paypal, set up a Chinese account and send it to your US/UK/whatever account and withdraw it from there. It's super easy.
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: williethewimp on April 01, 2018, 09:18:44 am
I would be interested in China in the future if not for their retarded policy on wiring money. You're basically living hand to mouth unless you can easily transfer savings in and out of the country. Forget trusting a Chinese 'friend'.

trust me thats the tip of the iceberg, getting most things that are very easy to do in Korea are an incredible pain the butt from getting cell phone service, internet hooked up, opening a bank account, going to the doctor, heck even checking into a hotel. The Chinese bureaucracy is notorious for a reason

If Shanghai wasn't in China it would be a fabulous city to live in
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: hangook77 on April 02, 2018, 07:43:51 am
Well if China wants to attract more foreign teachers, they might want to hurry up and fix that stupid wiring money out rule.  It's probably off putting as most eslers go abroad to pay their student loans or whatever. 
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: daktariB on April 02, 2018, 07:53:59 am
Well if China wants to attract more foreign teachers, they might want to hurry up and fix that stupid wiring money out rule.  It's probably off putting as most eslers go abroad to pay their student loans or whatever.

I used to teach in China. I was easily as able to use one of China's biggest banks, ICBC, to wire roughly $4500 to my american bank account (Wells Fargo). Commonly what people say about China and what laws are talked about simply are not actually true in practice. I've heard sending money out of China was "shady" but when I tried I just walked right up to the teller at the bank and said what I wanted, gave the wiring information, and it was done in 24 hours. China is complex and few rules are set in stone.
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: daktariB on April 02, 2018, 07:59:54 am
I have an interactive white board, projector and a computer built in to my podiums at a public university.

I'm very happy in China. I was thinking about heading back to Korea recently.... realised that would most likely be a mistake, financially and in lifestyle. I may still leave China at the end of this semester but it'll only be for a position providing a significantly better overall package.

Salaries are low there.  But cost of living cheap and provided housing still make it possible to save in a uni job?  Sounds like a sweet package if it were.

Salaries are sometimes lower. Mine was lower (not by much) in China, but I had coworkers who made way more than EPIK teachers can make in Korea. There is a lot more mobility there for teachers if u play your cards right. Foreigners can even become vice principals if they bother to get an online degree while teaching, sometimes even if you just stay a while you can move up to some level of upper management with a big pay bump. Just depends on the school. Plus, depending on your major, you can become a subject teacher and make considerably more as well.
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: hangook77 on May 14, 2021, 01:47:04 pm
I used to teach in China. I was easily as able to use one of China's biggest banks, ICBC, to wire roughly $4500 to my american bank account (Wells Fargo). Commonly what people say about China and what laws are talked about simply are not actually true in practice. I've heard sending money out of China was "shady" but when I tried I just walked right up to the teller at the bank and said what I wanted, gave the wiring information, and it was done in 24 hours. China is complex and few rules are set in stone.

I just posted confirming what you said.  It is true you can send money out easily.
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: waygo0k on May 15, 2021, 07:04:11 am
It possible.

Bank of China and ICBC (if I recall properly) allow you to do international transfers via online banking. You just need to provide the required tax and income documents once for them to keep on file (the first time), and then they activate the service for you on their online banking system. Once it's set up, you don't have to walk into a branch to transfer money again.

I currently use the PayPal method...it's expensive compared to other methods but it's also very useful. Will be opening an ICBC account soon-ish.
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: OnNut81 on May 16, 2021, 02:14:05 pm
I just posted confirming what you said.  It is true you can send money out easily.

You can't confirm something that you've never done.  It doesn't matter how many times you've heard that you can do it, or have been told you can do it.  I've been told, and have read, that Portage and Main in Winnipeg is the coldest intersection in a major Canadian city.  I believe this. But, having never even set foot in Manitoba I am unable to confirm this.  You, having never lived or sent money out of China, are not in a position to confirm anything. 
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: hangook77 on May 17, 2021, 07:55:15 am
You can't confirm something that you've never done.  It doesn't matter how many times you've heard that you can do it, or have been told you can do it.  I've been told, and have read, that Portage and Main in Winnipeg is the coldest intersection in a major Canadian city.  I believe this. But, having never even set foot in Manitoba I am unable to confirm this.  You, having never lived or sent money out of China, are not in a position to confirm anything. 

I don't have to do it.  I only have to take eye witness testimony and listen to those who have already done it.  (I posted numerous examples from those who have done this on another thread.)  Including a user who just replied to me what he has done as well.  Your hate and vitrol has nothing to do with this.
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: hangook77 on May 17, 2021, 07:59:11 am
It possible.

Bank of China and ICBC (if I recall properly) allow you to do international transfers via online banking. You just need to provide the required tax and income documents once for them to keep on file (the first time), and then they activate the service for you on their online banking system. Once it's set up, you don't have to walk into a branch to transfer money again.

I currently use the PayPal method...it's expensive compared to other methods but it's also very useful. Will be opening an ICBC account soon-ish.

So, basically, it's almost like Korea.  A bit more paperwork to get started but almost the same.  I am sure a couple of users will be triggered by your posting of facts here however. I am glad to have done my research and find this stuff out.  It is useful to know for a long term jump.
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: OnNut81 on May 17, 2021, 11:41:38 am
I don't have to do it.  I only have to take eye witness testimony and listen to those who have already done it.  (I posted numerous examples from those who have done this on another thread.)  Including a user who just replied to me what he has done as well.  Your hate and vitrol has nothing to do with this.

Oh, stop being such a victim all the time. I donít hate or like you.  Every time someone disagrees with you you take it as a personal slight.  Victim mentality. 

The simple fact is listening to someone else who has sent money out from China confirm that it can be done, does not mean you in turn can verify or confirm it. It simply doesnít.  Thatís not what confirmation means.  Argue the point and leave out the ďpoor me, people hate meĒ melodrama. 
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: hangook77 on May 17, 2021, 12:48:18 pm
Oh, stop being such a victim all the time. I donít hate or like you.  Every time someone disagrees with you you take it as a personal slight.  Victim mentality. 

The simple fact is listening to someone else who has sent money out from China confirm that it can be done, does not mean you in turn can verify or confirm it. It simply doesnít.  Thatís not what confirmation means.  Argue the point and leave out the ďpoor me, people hate meĒ melodrama. 

Actually is multiple people who have said so.  If you feel this strongly about it and are so triggered perhaps you can message them all and tell them they are liars?  But go on arguing for the sake of arguing. 


I have never come across someone with such extreme negativity in my entire life. 

"You can't do this.  You can't do that.  It's impossible.  It's not real."

I'm beginning to feel sorry for you. 
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: Renma on May 17, 2021, 01:05:44 pm
I've gotta wonder if he had a head injury at some point during his time in Korea. It's the only thing that would explain his character.
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: hangook77 on May 17, 2021, 01:28:21 pm
I've gotta wonder if he had a head injury at some point during his time in Korea. It's the only thing that would explain his character.

Well, I wouldn't go that far about him.  That's pretty harsh.
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: Renma on May 17, 2021, 01:54:13 pm
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Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: OnNut81 on May 17, 2021, 02:10:09 pm
Actually is multiple people who have said so.  If you feel this strongly about it and are so triggered perhaps you can message them all and tell them they are liars?  But go on arguing for the sake of arguing. 


I have never come across someone with such extreme negativity in my entire life. 

"You can't do this.  You can't do that.  It's impossible.  It's not real."

I'm beginning to feel sorry for you. 

Again, youíre making up an argument Iíve never made.  But, you know that. Iím not saying anything is impossible. Iím saying you, having never done it, are not in a position to confirm it.  Itís a very simple concept. But, notice how by simply pointing this out you started insulting me personally?  You are getting upset at me here, yet calling me triggered. You do see that your response and attacking me and trying to put comments Iíve never made in my mouth is a perfect example of someone being triggered?  But, Iím sure youíll be able to lay the responsibility for you insulting me at my feet, somehow.  Again, just argue my points and stop making up things Iíve never said.  Itís a weird way for an adult to argue their points.  You want to be able to make false claims and not be called out on things.  When you are called out you go off on the person.  Triggered. 
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: hangook77 on May 17, 2021, 02:59:42 pm
No, I just don't get why you feel the need to argue on teaching in China.  If you want to teach in Korea for less then stay and teach for less.  I told you I make 3 million and you argued with me claiming it wasn't possible on another thread.  You seem rather negative and content to stay in a rut.  That's your right, but don't flame me and others for pointing out better alternatives. 

Eye witness testimony especially multiple eye witness testimonies and experiences are admissible in court as evidence.  Why is it not here?  I submitted 3 videos on another thread of folks actually in China describing their experiences.  Also, a couple of users on this thread confirimed what those other folks said in the video that you can send money home. 

Again, not sure why you are so negative and criticial of the pointing out of any alternatives.  Are you sure you're not secretely a recruiter or hakwon owner?  I can't think of any other reason.  As for me, I make okay enough for now.  But if I were any lower, I'd be gone.  There will always be a small number who stay no matter what.  Just look at Japan.  They stay through thick and thin no matter how much abuse, but most leave or don't go.  Their demand is more of a niche market anyways.  Moms don't demand native speakers for their kids like they do in Korea and China, etc. 
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: OnNut81 on May 17, 2021, 04:23:09 pm
No, I just don't get why you feel the need to argue on teaching in China.  If you want to teach in Korea for less then stay and teach for less.  I told you I make 3 million and you argued with me claiming it wasn't possible on another thread.  You seem rather negative and content to stay in a rut.  That's your right, but don't flame me and others for pointing out better alternatives. 

Eye witness testimony especially multiple eye witness testimonies and experiences are admissible in court as evidence.  Why is it not here?  I submitted 3 videos on another thread of folks actually in China describing their experiences.  Also, a couple of users on this thread confirimed what those other folks said in the video that you can send money home. 

Again, not sure why you are so negative and criticial of the pointing out of any alternatives.  Are you sure you're not secretely a recruiter or hakwon owner?  I can't think of any other reason.  As for me, I make okay enough for now.  But if I were any lower, I'd be gone.  There will always be a small number who stay no matter what.  Just look at Japan.  They stay through thick and thin no matter how much abuse, but most leave or don't go.  Their demand is more of a niche market anyways.  Moms don't demand native speakers for their kids like they do in Korea and China, etc. 

No what?  Of course those who have been in China and sent money abroad can confirm that, but you're not one of those people yet.  So, how could you say you are able to confirm something if you haven't done it? That's the point I'm making and you somehow keep refuting it.  It's not a debatable point or a matter of opinion.  Just because it's true doesn't mean you can confirm it.  Before this Covid mess I planned to go to Tuscany and I do a lot of research when I travel.  But, no matter what I read about a particular restaurant from multiple sources, I am unable to confirm it's good because I didn't end up going.  I believe it is a good place with amazing rustic charm, but I can't confirm that until I go.  Simple.

And I never would have said making three million a month at a public school was not possible because I hit that mark at my current school two years ago, and I don't get any rural or multiple school allowances.  What I did say was you calculate your monthly pay by including your renewal bonus and severance pay which is inaccurate and falsely inflates your monthly income.  I don't spread out my renewal or severance over 12 months to calculate my pay.

And I've clarified this more than once for you.  I also am a recruiter and a hakwan owner on the side.  I keep telling you, you are correct.  It's odd, you accuse me of being a recruiter or hakwan owner, yet then don't believe me when I say you're right. What are you playing at here? 
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: L I on May 17, 2021, 05:08:00 pm
I never would have said making three million a month at a public school was not possible because I hit that mark at my current school two years ago, and I don't get any rural or multiple school allowances.

How'd you do that? This says GEPIK maxes out at 2.5: https://www.korvia.com/korvia-gepik/gepik-salary-levels/

Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: OnNut81 on May 18, 2021, 11:41:04 am
How'd you do that? This says GEPIK maxes out at 2.5: https://www.korvia.com/korvia-gepik/gepik-salary-levels/



There are some differences with city hall contracts, I guess.  But three million is including my housing allowance. 
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: tylerthegloob on May 18, 2021, 12:02:37 pm
buT yOu'RE nOt aLlOWeD tO cOUnt HOuSiNg alLoWanCe

[edit: i mean... unless you are, in which case the whole 2.1 meme doesn't make any sense whatsoever. it should be the 2.5 meme]
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: L I on May 18, 2021, 12:05:06 pm
You can count it as long as you mention that you are calculating it as such so as to not give a false impression.
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: OnNut81 on May 18, 2021, 12:25:24 pm
You can count it as long as you mention that you are calculating it as such so as to not give a false impression.

Yes, a total of 3 million including housing is deposited into my account every month, so that's my monthly pay.  It's my responsibility to take care of my housing from my pay. I would not factor yearly bonuses or severance or airfare as part of my monthly income, though. 
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: hangook77 on May 18, 2021, 01:27:01 pm
How'd you do that? This says GEPIK maxes out at 2.5: https://www.korvia.com/korvia-gepik/gepik-salary-levels/



Provincial rural EPIK maxes out at 2.7 plus 100 for rural area, plus 150 k for 3 or more schools.  That is 2.95.  Any overtime however slight or privates (not that I am telling anyone to do that) can bring you up over 3 mil either in some months or all months averaged out.  Housing on top of that is another 400k per month.  But you got to spend a few years living in the boonies to get up to that level.   You may have some more travel expenses and such.  I haven't added the 2 million won renewal allowance nor have I added the overtime night classes once a week I do most years.  Housing and severance added one and averaged out can come closer to 3,516,000 mil per month.  Some slight overtime brings me to 3.616 per month.  But housing costs are rising and I drive.  Korea is getting expensive.  It has been decent until now.  But it is getting pricier and pricier every year.  Granted no car and if provided housing is nice, a Gangnam kindie paying 2.8 to 3 mil will probably be decent enough due to less expenses necessary. 

Anyways, as I said, most folks don't want to live in the boonies.  I do hear islands give an extra 100K pay. 

And, I haven't had a raise in years (which was kind of my point before).  Also, newer nice places are getting into the 700 kish range for rent even out in the regional cities  - 10 or 20 mil deposits or more.
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: hangook77 on May 18, 2021, 01:30:36 pm
No what?  Of course those who have been in China and sent money abroad can confirm that, but you're not one of those people yet.  So, how could you say you are able to confirm something if you haven't done it? That's the point I'm making and you somehow keep refuting it.  It's not a debatable point or a matter of opinion.  Just because it's true doesn't mean you can confirm it.  Before this Covid mess I planned to go to Tuscany and I do a lot of research when I travel.  But, no matter what I read about a particular restaurant from multiple sources, I am unable to confirm it's good because I didn't end up going.  I believe it is a good place with amazing rustic charm, but I can't confirm that until I go.  Simple.

And I never would have said making three million a month at a public school was not possible because I hit that mark at my current school two years ago, and I don't get any rural or multiple school allowances.  What I did say was you calculate your monthly pay by including your renewal bonus and severance pay which is inaccurate and falsely inflates your monthly income.  I don't spread out my renewal or severance over 12 months to calculate my pay.

And I've clarified this more than once for you.  I also am a recruiter and a hakwan owner on the side.  I keep telling you, you are correct.  It's odd, you accuse me of being a recruiter or hakwan owner, yet then don't believe me when I say you're right. What are you playing at here? 

Multiple folks already said it was possible and can be done.  It doesn't matter if you like it or not.  That's what they said.  The process is similar to Korea except a bit more paperwork at the beginning. 
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: OnNut81 on May 18, 2021, 03:13:52 pm
Multiple folks already said it was possible and can be done.  It doesn't matter if you like it or not.  That's what they said.  The process is similar to Korea except a bit more paperwork at the beginning. 

Yes, and those multiple folk that did it can confirm it.  You can't.  So, when you jumped in and and said you could confirm what another poster said it was inaccurate.  Please look up the word "confirm."  Maybe that will help.  You confirm something with first hand sources, not second or third.  How do you continue to refute that?  Baffling. 
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: gogators! on May 20, 2021, 04:27:08 am
You can count it as long as you mention that you are calculating it as such so as to not give a false impression.
Can you use a calculator?
Title: Re: Making the jump to China HELP
Post by: rainman on June 15, 2021, 01:54:27 pm
I have been teaching at a public school in Guangzhou for 12 years. It is the highest salary if you have a teaching certificate from your home country and you can get a working visa. I teach at a Foreign language school, so the level of the students is kind of high. They are currently looking for a teacher for grades 7 and 8. You can contact me with your CV and I can forward it to the school.
I am not an agent, but I have helped the school find several foreigners to teach English in the past decade
raymond.hardy1@yahoo.com