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Title: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: stressedinseoul on May 22, 2017, 08:10:38 pm
Hello President Moon,

Your country is currently making a huge mistake and only you can stop this.

For the last few years of my life, I have lived in South Korea. I have fallen in love with your country, fallen in love with a nice Korean girl and have gotten accustomed to a nice life in this wonderful country. I love Korea.

I have two university degrees from Canada; one in the humanities and one in education. I am a teacher who is seeking economic refuge in Korea since the climate for teaching in Canada is currently very unfavourable.

I have dutifully paid my Korean taxes on time. I have never broken a law in Korea. I can read Hangul. I can communicate in broken Korean. I have local friends in my neighbourhood: ajjoshis and ajjumas at the local grocery store, kimbap shop, CU, GS25 and of course, the local bar. In other words, I am the ideal foreigner from a Korean perspective; one who has become “Koreanized” in order to live a good, successful life here.

Over the last few months however, there has been a massive change to my way of life. You see, I teach in an international school in Korea that is considered to be a “hagwon” by your country. In my school we teach an international curriculum, entirely in English to children whose parents hope that they study abroad one day. I am helping to fulfill a need in the Korean economy. My school is identified as an offshore school in my home country and is considered to be an international school by everyone else in the world.

However, as Korean law states that an international school must have 75% foreign passport holding students, very few schools in this country actually qualify as international schools. As such, due to this E2 visa issue now bringing down schools in Korea, I am not only now in fear of losing my job, but I am also in fear of being deported and being banned from entering this country that I love for one whole year.

As a former human rights lawyer, I hope that you can look at our plight with mercy. The government has already brought down CBIS and CCS; and as I write this, teachers from WCA are being interrogated in an immigration center and being made to sign a form saying that they are criminals who broke the law. This is a colossal slap in the face to us who have worked hard to make Korea a better place for its youth and to better internationalize Korea for its future.

The fact that my school has existed for nearly a decade without any problems and now might be made to shut down, shows the incompetence of the Korean government to have tackled this issue sooner and more effectively. It is not fair that us teachers are made into criminals and are deported and that the owners, who were simply following the accepted protocol of procuring E2 visas for their teachers, have their schools shut down. This is a drastic and unfair punishment to those of us who have made lives for ourselves here.

I love my Korean students and I love my Korean life. By literally going after the most educated foreigners in Korea (to work at these schools one needs not only an undergraduate degree but also a teaching degree and certification in a Western country), you are quite literally causing a massive foreigner brain drain from Korea. You will make the hundreds of potential deportees bitter against Korea and turn them against the country that they loved so much.

I literally see scammers and fraudsters from other countries here in Seoul on a weekly basis, and it is devastating to me that they will be allowed to stay here and continue robbing the Korean public while us teachers are forced to leave.

I therefore ask that you kindly do something about our situation soon. Our schools are falling like dominoes, and the way things are going, we will all be forced to leave Korea soon.

Please find some other way to deal with this situation other than deporting this large, educated populace of teachers from Korea. I can assure you that of those of us who are deported, only a minority will look kindly to Korea and consider returning in the future.

Thank you.
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: gogators! on May 23, 2017, 08:42:11 am
Send it to the KT and other Korean publications. Spread the word!
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: Mr.DeMartino on May 23, 2017, 09:04:20 am
You might want to start a little lower on the chain of command...
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: dandred on May 23, 2017, 09:23:29 am
The whole reason why they are doing this is because they don't want the kids here to receive a decent English education.
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: BearNana on May 23, 2017, 09:33:04 am
Lol is this a troll? "I can read hangul" haha
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: maximmm on May 23, 2017, 09:37:06 am
It's funny, because it's obvious that the writer did not read Moon's campaign pledges in regards to the use/importance of English in SK schools. 

Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: maximmm on May 23, 2017, 09:40:00 am
Nah - like someone else pointed out, this really is a troll post - ignore and move on.

A quote - ' I have local friends in my neighbourhood: ajjoshis and ajjumas at the local grocery store, kimbap shop, CU, GS25 and of course, the local bar.'
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: Piggydee on May 23, 2017, 09:44:03 am
Wasn't this "person" suppose to be out of the country by May 11th?  And didn't the CBC school take care of all outstanding expenses to make up for the fact that they were blind sided because they were on the wrong visas???
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: Teemowork on May 23, 2017, 09:45:31 am
... fallen in love with a nice Korean girl ...

With his anti-gay comments about the military and citizens, who knows if he'll be accepting of interracial relationships.  Even as the more liberal candidate, Korea as a whole is still super conservative, and many still retain the idea of purity of blood.  If the president has secret negative feelings about interracial dating/marriage, this letter would just screw foreigners up even harder.

Korea is also one of the more closed nations in the world, and don't accept immigrants very freely, which is one of the things they need to offset the declining population.  That's how several countries of Europe does it, that's how the U.S. and Canada offsets the issue of its citizens not wanting to have as much children.

I also don't see any likelihood that the current establishment will be very pro-foreigner anyways.  It seems like Korea is going through a lot of internal issues at the moment, so catering to foreigners isn't really the top of its priority.  And in terms of the broad international relationship, they are more focused on China, the U.S., Japan and NK. These are the more important issues because that is what is directly affecting their country now.

Sounds pretty negative, but this might just be the reality of it all.

Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: Piggydee on May 23, 2017, 09:50:47 am
Oh and as I know someone who works very closely with the school, word on the street is that OP (if it's the same guy from that video that was on the news article about this story) never even proposed to the girl and I also heard from this close source of mine that they were broken up.  So sure this person may love Korea but as far as there being an actually "wife he is going to marry"  I heard that's not even going down.  Plus this is not exactly the avenue you should go OP.  Send this story to Korean Herald, Korea Times, YTN, or Arirang.  Here you are just going to get people to mock and laugh at you :rolleyes: :rolleyes: 

Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: zola on May 23, 2017, 09:53:54 am
That bloody bastard.
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: HyooMyron on May 23, 2017, 09:59:33 am
Lol is this a troll? "I can read hangul" haha

I had the same feeling. It was just littered with buzz words to rile up the fools  :lipsrsealed:

But if this post is serious, I can't help but feel a level of admiration for OP's child-like ambition. "I GOT A LETTER! AND IT'S GOING STRAIGHT TO THE PRESIDENT!"  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: Piggydee on May 23, 2017, 10:01:21 am
It's funny, because it's obvious that the writer did not read Moon's campaign pledges in regards to the use/importance of English in SK schools.

I'm curious at to what those pledges are?  Links to article?  ;D
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: Piggydee on May 23, 2017, 10:07:34 am
Plus OP was suppose to be out of the country two weeks ago.  If this person is in fact real then they are breaking the law at this very moment by still being in Korea illegally.   
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: MayorHaggar on May 23, 2017, 10:09:18 am
Quote from: PRESIDENT Moon Jae-in
Thank you for your letter. Do you know Dokdo?
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: Teemowork on May 23, 2017, 10:24:45 am
Quote from: PRESIDENT Moon Jae-in
Thank you for your letter. Do you know Dokdo?

Yes, it's famous and belongs to KOREA! (not those dirty Japanese) Don't you know?   :laugh:
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: cjszk on May 23, 2017, 10:44:16 am
This post can't be taken seriously. It's far too vulnerable for any crazy Korean (which there are many of in Moon Jae-In's party) to completely tear it up and use it as a reason to pit against foreigners as truth that foreigners are leeches.
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: Teemowork on May 23, 2017, 11:14:59 am
This post can't be taken seriously. It's far too vulnerable for any crazy Korean (which there are many of in Moon Jae-In's party) to completely tear it up and use it as a reason to pit against foreigners as truth that foreigners are leeches.

It's also kind of over-exaggerating to call this a "crisis".

Terrorism killing people is a "crisis".
Syrian refugees is a "crisis".
The Iphone 7 not having a headphone jack, NOT a "crisis"
E-2 visa and foreign teachers issues, NOT a "crisis"
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: z80 on May 23, 2017, 11:33:29 am
With his anti-gay comments about the military and citizens, who knows if he'll be accepting of interracial relationships

Mixed puppies are ok, but I don't think mixed relationships are ok with our new president.
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: Piggydee on May 23, 2017, 11:47:09 am
This post can't be taken seriously. It's far too vulnerable for any crazy Korean (which there are many of in Moon Jae-In's party) to completely tear it up and use it as a reason to pit against foreigners as truth that foreigners are leeches.

It's also kind of over-exaggerating to call this a "crisis".

Terrorism killing people is a "crisis".
Syrian refugees is a "crisis".
The Iphone 7 not having a headphone jack, NOT a "crisis"
E-2 visa and foreign teachers issues, NOT a "crisis"

I think it's more of a crisis for his d**k can't get that sweet sweet lovin anymore  :cheesy:
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: OnNut81 on May 23, 2017, 11:47:14 am
I commiserate with these people that are getting deportation orders and bans from Korea.  It makes sense for someone to have followed the directions they were given by their employer to get their visa.  Sending them out to get it done properly would seem to be more of an appropriate response in my opinion.

However, if that letter is real it's good it got posted here to be critiqued.  Ever hear of being succinct and sticking to key issues? That letter sounds like a young person complaining to their family and friends and really trying to garner sympathy points.  I think you're hoping with those deep ties to the community you mentioned (such as with the people at your GS 25) the powers that be are going to pause and think "this guy isn't just some foreigner getting lit in Itaewon, he's really tried to fit in.  And trying the old. "Well, what about all those scammers from other countries that get to stay?" is just whiny.  Unless, you can provide details I'm going to call BS on that point anyway. 

How your time in Korea was going is irrelevant to the fact the visas were wrong.  What country is it where an illegal immigrant would get to stay because they said they're really enjoying themselves? 
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: iamsam on May 23, 2017, 11:50:00 am
Wow, does anyone remember back when trolling used be an art-form?  This is poor trolling.  Please don't send it, if you're actually serious.  The document reads like a 7th graders essay.  All the while you boast about how educated you are and 'brain drain'.  What a joke.
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: Teemowork on May 23, 2017, 12:04:16 pm
With his anti-gay comments about the military and citizens, who knows if he'll be accepting of interracial relationships

Mixed puppies are ok, but I don't think mixed relationships are ok with our new president.

I think most of the populous, including South Korea, prefer rare and "pretty" breeds over mutts.

At the same time, wasn't there some statistic out there about how Korea had crazy plastic surgery for their dogs too?  Clipping ears, altering tails, etc, just so their dogs look "prettier".

http://kotaku.com/in-south-korea-dogs-are-getting-plastic-surgery-1721711793
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: Piggydee on May 23, 2017, 12:22:39 pm
Camron would have already been married to a Korean girl so he could have been on an F-7 visa and he would have had 3 kids by now.   :cheesy: :cheesy:
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: Piggydee on May 23, 2017, 12:48:35 pm
Camden....Camron whatever LOL
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: Teemowork on May 23, 2017, 01:18:39 pm
Please don't send it, if you're actually serious.  The document reads like a 7th graders essay.

If anyone wrote higher than the middle school level, who in Korea would ever attempt to translate it?  It makes sense that writing should be "dumbed down" for the sake of clear understanding here.

Inversely, do you think most Americans would be watching the news on T.V. if the anchors were speaking at post-graduate university level English?  People would change the channel within seconds.  That's why all the media and news stations speak at the middle school English level because it gets the most coverage of understanding.

How do you think Trump won?  He spoke at a dumb enough level that he became the only candidate that "most" of America could coherently understand and connect with.  Hillary just bombarded people with big numbers, statistics and facts, and confused half of America.  Highly educated people look at Trump and just get sick of hearing him talk like the way he does.

If foreigners wanted to "connect" with Koreans for a typical conversation and discuss problems, we HAVE to dumb things down to an "understandable" level of English.  That's just the reality.  Unless someone spent like 20 years in America or something and graduated university overseas, its unlikely that any "college level" English conversation would be clearly understood.  Sure, its not impossible, but still HIGHLY unlikely.
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: OnNut81 on May 23, 2017, 01:38:00 pm
It's not that the writing in the letter is dumb in terms of ability.  It's that it has an immature theme and attitude.  The unfortunate fact is he got put on the wrong visa.  Instead of understanding that that certainly needs to be addressed, even if he's not to blame, he triesto  invoke sentiment based on him liking it here and having a girlfriend.  That's the childish part. I think he shouldn't be barred from a future return, but trying to get people to pity his situation is where the lack of maturity is revealed. 
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: defenderoftherealm on May 23, 2017, 01:52:30 pm
The Op brings up a good point regardless of if he is trolling or not.  Most of us expats here contribute to society more than we cause detriment.  Most of us are college educated, we are for the most part gainfully employed and contribute to the economy, we may innovate after living here for some time if we go to grad school/work outside of the education system here, etc.

Yeah.  A few of us drink our faces off every weekend but that is about all we do that is bad.

It doesn't matter if you are a Korean or a foreigner but it seems like both groups sometimes think of the expat community negatively.  The South Koreans are for the most part bringing in foreigners in the right manner.  Live in Thailand for 2 months.  I love the Thai nationals and they are awesome but they have an expat problem.  I had never seen such a vile group of villainy until I kicked it in Thailand.  And this comes from a person unopposed to someone participating in the vices of the night.

I think most of you homies are decent blokes.  I am sometimes annoyed by you HBC hipsters with your hipster swag but I even like you all too.
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: scottwalsh93 on May 23, 2017, 02:52:24 pm
How do I delete someone else's post?
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: Piggydee on May 23, 2017, 03:28:11 pm
Seriously this sounds like a troll post and OP has yet to give a rebuttal to all those who are calling OP.  Probably just a public school noob bored at work.
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: Chester Jim on May 23, 2017, 08:51:32 pm
Hey could you ask to untether the visas to employers while your at it?    How about an American town.  We have korea town so it's only fair. 
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: MayorHaggar on May 23, 2017, 10:40:58 pm
Forget it, Jake. It's Americatown.
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: Taal on May 23, 2017, 11:57:29 pm
I commiserate with these people that are getting deportation orders and bans from Korea. 

yeah. My sympathies too.


the deciding factors always seem to be so random and unfair.


Has anyone ever been ejected for actually relevant reasons? Being a good teacher or not never seems to have much to do with it.
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: Andy73 on May 24, 2017, 07:25:48 am
If Park Geun Hye were president you lefties would be blaming her for the deportations, but under a lefty president you assume "oh, he doesn't know, if he knew he'd help."
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: Grimne_Lothos on May 24, 2017, 09:52:59 am
I like how he included himself among the most educated foreigners with his liberal arts degree from a Canadian university.
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: Bukguguy on May 26, 2017, 12:26:14 am
Instead of writing an OPEN letter to the prez he or she should be marching right into immigration and applying for the correct visa.  IF the OP has the 2 degrees they claim to, they should easily qualify for the E7 needed to teach beyond conversational English permitted on the E2. 

Why wait and see if Immigration gets around to picking on his/her school next or soon. Fill out the application for changing status and get that little piece of paper that says you have applied and you are good to go while your application is pending.. Letters to the government aren't going to help.  Everyone on an E2 that could get an E7 and has not, should be doing it right now.. WTH. why wait and see if they can F you over next.  Proactive be proactive. If you wait to be reactive, its too late. They will just hand you something you cant really understand and say sign it and get out..
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: Piggydee on May 26, 2017, 07:45:42 am
Instead of writing an OPEN letter to the prez he or she should be marching right into immigration and applying for the correct visa.  IF the OP has the 2 degrees they claim to, they should easily qualify for the E7 needed to teach beyond conversational English permitted on the E2. 

Why wait and see if Immigration gets around to picking on his/her school next or soon. Fill out the application for changing status and get that little piece of paper that says you have applied and you are good to go while your application is pending.. Letters to the government aren't going to help.  Everyone on an E2 that could get an E7 and has not, should be doing it right now.. WTH. why wait and see if they can F you over next.  Proactive be proactive. If you wait to be reactive, its too late. They will just hand you something you cant really understand and say sign it and get out..

In this case....if it's about that CBC school, they weren't allowed to just "switch" to the correct visa.  Immigration this time wanted to make examples of them I guess and just gave them an immediate deportation notice.  Immigration was not kind to these foreigners at all in this case.  Which is funny because if know of people who have gotten arrested for fighting and they have been given second chances to avoid deportation.  So it all depends on the Immigration department in your area.  Not all immigration departments sing the same song.  The Suwon district might be more strict on trying to deport foreigners that misunderstand the visa system while the North Seoul region might be a little more understanding to a foreigners mistake. 

So....OP are you ever going to response to this thread!?!?!?  (*cough troll *cough *cough)
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: stuman on May 26, 2017, 07:54:10 am
OP should talk to their local government representative.
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: zola on May 26, 2017, 07:56:02 am
Unfortunately OP can't speak Korean. So it might be hard to communicate his feelings to his local representative. He can however read hangul. So maybe they can write messages to each other.
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: turningsteel on May 26, 2017, 08:18:40 am
This letter is so cringe-y it hurts. It sounds like it was written by a 16 year old after taking a persuasive essay writing class for the first time. After the first few lines, I thought it had to be someone who is very new to Korea. He's been here a few years much to my chagrin.  I don't know what he thinks this will accomplish but, please don't. My favorite is the part where he calls the government incompetent.  Yes, call them names, that'll get them to react favorably!  :wink:
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: Bukguguy on May 26, 2017, 10:06:23 pm
Instead of writing an OPEN letter to the prez he or she should be marching right into immigration and applying for the correct visa.  IF the OP has the 2 degrees they claim to, they should easily qualify for the E7 needed to teach beyond conversational English permitted on the E2. 

Why wait and see if Immigration gets around to picking on his/her school next or soon. Fill out the application for changing status and get that little piece of paper that says you have applied and you are good to go while your application is pending.. Letters to the government aren't going to help.  Everyone on an E2 that could get an E7 and has not, should be doing it right now.. WTH. why wait and see if they can F you over next.  Proactive be proactive. If you wait to be reactive, its too late. They will just hand you something you cant really understand and say sign it and get out..

In this case....if it's about that CBC school, they weren't allowed to just "switch" to the correct visa.  Immigration this time wanted to make examples of them I guess and just gave them an immediate deportation notice.  Immigration was not kind to these foreigners at all in this case.  Which is funny because if know of people who have gotten arrested for fighting and they have been given second chances to avoid deportation.  So it all depends on the Immigration department in your area.  Not all immigration departments sing the same song.  The Suwon district might be more strict on trying to deport foreigners that misunderstand the visa system while the North Seoul region might be a little more understanding to a foreigners mistake. 

So....OP are you ever going to response to this thread!?!?!?  (*cough troll *cough *cough)

I was responding assuming the OP was sincere and not involved in any "case" as of yet and immigration had not been in contact with him or members of his school. So wasting time trying to affect/effect (never know which is correct here) system wide change, is unwise when correcting his or her own immediate situation would be the better course of action based on that described scenario i.e. having the required degrees, teaching certs, and experience to qualify. 

So I wasn't thinking or applying my response to what has transpired already.  I am saying to others who haven't yet been impacted by this "crack down" if you notice the trend here (in Korea)  and you are on X visa when you should be on Y visa for the type of work you do, you (not anyone else) had better take immediate steps to correct and change it. 
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: Arsalan on May 30, 2017, 03:10:46 am
Stickied, if someone can provide a Hangul version?  Maybe it can actually be sent out.
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: Arsalan on May 30, 2017, 03:14:08 am
So....OP are you ever going to response to this thread!?!?!?  (*cough troll *cough *cough)

No need for this, he's asking for some help.  Think about your own accusation.
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: Arsalan on May 30, 2017, 07:32:12 am
I am sure the OP, who is a teacher, won't mind an edit. :-)
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: Teemowork on May 30, 2017, 09:23:10 am
There are PLENTY of qualified subject teachers in Korea.

It might be a little subjective about what is considered "plenty".

As many already know, there are also Korean contract English teachers that are worried about getting cut from their jobs too.  Apparently, a lot of full time teachers don't like the contract workers because they do substantially less official work than they do.  To me, I don't know if that is really a fair to say, only because I feel like the school teachers now aren't even suppose to be doing the bulk of the administration work.  It seems like just over the years, it was kind of pushed to them and stayed as a thing.  The school should really just have a bigger full time administration staff handling school paperwork, and let the teachers focus on developing better lessons for their kids. The biggest complaint that I always hear from teachers is that they are consistently overwhelmed with senseless paperwork completely unrelated to teaching.

If the system is not going to change in a way that gives "full time" English teachers more time to effectively master English to then teach their students, then I don't see a good reason to axe the contract teachers either.  I think most would agree that the average English ability between a contract teacher and your average full time teacher that happens to teach English can be quite huge.  At least for me, I probably catch a regular teacher make like 5-10 times more mistakes than a contract teacher does.  Certain times, the English teacher speaks zero English, but is just given the job because she's enthusiastic about it?   So, it does become a concern about how "accurate" students would be learning English if GETs and contract teachers get eliminated.

I personally have been here a good number of years myself, jumped from school to school like many others, but I haven't gotten the impression that "qualified" English teachers (full time ones) are very plentiful at all.  If you are talking about the contract teachers, I'd say in the 70-80%+ have a very good mastery and make minimal enough mistakes for elementary and middle school.  But even then, its not like the majority are like EBS TV level teachers in terms of fluency.  But again, regular full time teachers that just happen to teach English...?  Well,let's just say... I wouldn't feel very comfortable letting my children learn English from them, but maybe that's just me.
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: Squatting Panda on March 09, 2018, 02:50:29 pm
Lol is this a troll? "I can read hangul" haha

lol!!!!!
Title: Re: An Open Letter to South Korean President Moon Jae-In on the 2017 E2 Visa Crisis
Post by: Chester Jim on March 09, 2018, 09:03:33 pm
Dear moon,
Stop feicking tying our visas to the place of employment .   ,  please think about this .
Sincerely
Chester Jim