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« Reply #6300 on: August 01, 2017, 10:52:23 PM »
How did "desk-warming" days become a "thing"?  When I first came to Korea I lived in Jeollanam-do (10 years ago) and nobody ever did a desk-warming day. Ever.  We did long-ass camps (4 weeks), but we got paid for them (like double our salary).  Our main co-teacher was there and helped as well.  It could be fun because the schools had funds to make them so. I didn't mind doing camps, cause I was paid and I had sufficient funds to make them memorable....
What the **** happened? Camps are included in our pay, and there seems to be minimal funds to aid us in our efforts to even make camps fun anymore.....I've used my own funds in my camps........what a ****** wrong-doing on all levels...

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« Reply #6301 on: August 02, 2017, 07:59:10 AM »
How did "desk-warming" days become a "thing"?  When I first came to Korea I lived in Jeollanam-do (10 years ago) and nobody ever did a desk-warming day. Ever.  We did long-ass camps (4 weeks), but we got paid for them (like double our salary).  Our main co-teacher was there and helped as well.  It could be fun because the schools had funds to make them so. I didn't mind doing camps, cause I was paid and I had sufficient funds to make them memorable....
What the **** happened? Camps are included in our pay, and there seems to be minimal funds to aid us in our efforts to even make camps fun anymore.....I've used my own funds in my camps........what a ****** wrong-doing on all levels...

They hired a whole bunch of us. There weren't many waygooks in public school ten years ago (I was the only one in my city) so things were off the cuff and fun. Now there are a whole bunch of us doing it, they have to regulate it into oblivion.

A friend of mine used to make bank off camp programs. They'd pay him a million a month to teach three hours a week. Get a few of those and he was set. Now they've got a bunch of us in their pockets, those programs disappeared.

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« Reply #6302 on: August 03, 2017, 07:38:47 AM »
Just returned from a wonderful vacation to the serenity of my desk. My back slowly gets more crumpled as I slowly but surely **** it up even more due to the futility of this requirement. I love it, love it, loveeeeee it. If they want us to deskwarm, fine. But would it not make more sense if you book your deskwarming days? 8 days in the Summer and the rest is vacation and 10 days in the Winter?

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« Reply #6303 on: August 03, 2017, 09:51:01 AM »
quote - I definitely agree that many people have unreasonable expectations of Korean here in Korea with regards to English. I don't think we're entitled to English everywhere we go, and I think it's absurd when people whine about things like that. I'm with you there

I can't recall anyone on here saying they're entitled to English everywhere they go in Korea. What usually happens is someone complains that the people at immigration or an international hotel or tourist information don't speak English and someone like De Martino accuses them of being whiny entitled westerners with crap Korean language skills, who expect English everywhere they go. And so the cycle continues.
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« Reply #6304 on: August 03, 2017, 11:03:47 AM »
quote - I definitely agree that many people have unreasonable expectations of Korean here in Korea with regards to English. I don't think we're entitled to English everywhere we go, and I think it's absurd when people whine about things like that. I'm with you there

I can't recall anyone on here saying they're entitled to English everywhere they go in Korea. What usually happens is someone complains that the people at immigration or an international hotel or tourist information don't speak English and someone like De Martino accuses them of being whiny entitled westerners with crap Korean language skills, who expect English everywhere they go. And so the cycle continues.

Not in this thread recently, no, you're right. I know I've heard people complaining about a lack English in places where I don't think there's really any reasonable right to expect it, though, both on this site and in real life. I don't mean places like immigration or government offices, I mean places/people like cashiers at convenience stores or salespeople at clothes stores. I think people who complain about it are vastly outnumbered by the people who don't think it's a big deal, but it does happen.

At any rate, I said that mostly in an effort to try to meet Mr.D somewhere in the middle or add something to my post that he could agree with. I find that when you do that with people who will argue about everything, it tempers them a little and makes them a bit more pleasant to deal with than if you just stick to confrontation mode from start to finish.

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« Reply #6305 on: August 03, 2017, 01:12:41 PM »
quote - I definitely agree that many people have unreasonable expectations of Korean here in Korea with regards to English. I don't think we're entitled to English everywhere we go, and I think it's absurd when people whine about things like that. I'm with you there

I can't recall anyone on here saying they're entitled to English everywhere they go in Korea. What usually happens is someone complains that the people at immigration or an international hotel or tourist information don't speak English and someone like De Martino accuses them of being whiny entitled westerners with crap Korean language skills, who expect English everywhere they go. And so the cycle continues.

Not in this thread recently, no, you're right. I know I've heard people complaining about a lack English in places where I don't think there's really any reasonable right to expect it, though, both on this site and in real life. I don't mean places like immigration or government offices, I mean places/people like cashiers at convenience stores or salespeople at clothes stores. I think people who complain about it are vastly outnumbered by the people who don't think it's a big deal, but it does happen.

At any rate, I said that mostly in an effort to try to meet Mr.D somewhere in the middle or add something to my post that he could agree with. I find that when you do that with people who will argue about everything, it tempers them a little and makes them a bit more pleasant to deal with than if you just stick to confrontation mode from start to finish.

I just want to say, that although I argue with you and eggie a fair bit, both of you are top notch posters and make really good points and are good at making arguments and presenting different points of view. I'd also say that neither of you are "haters". Also, eggie and I find points of agreement on other topics so I wouldn't say we're at loggerheads or anything. Heck, even me and gogators! occasionally find ourselves agreeing.

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« Reply #6306 on: August 03, 2017, 11:04:08 PM »
quote - I definitely agree that many people have unreasonable expectations of Korean here in Korea with regards to English. I don't think we're entitled to English everywhere we go, and I think it's absurd when people whine about things like that. I'm with you there

I can't recall anyone on here saying they're entitled to English everywhere they go in Korea. What usually happens is someone complains that the people at immigration or an international hotel or tourist information don't speak English and someone like De Martino accuses them of being whiny entitled westerners with crap Korean language skills, who expect English everywhere they go. And so the cycle continues.

Not in this thread recently, no, you're right. I know I've heard people complaining about a lack English in places where I don't think there's really any reasonable right to expect it, though, both on this site and in real life. I don't mean places like immigration or government offices, I mean places/people like cashiers at convenience stores or salespeople at clothes stores. I think people who complain about it are vastly outnumbered by the people who don't think it's a big deal, but it does happen.

At any rate, I said that mostly in an effort to try to meet Mr.D somewhere in the middle or add something to my post that he could agree with. I find that when you do that with people who will argue about everything, it tempers them a little and makes them a bit more pleasant to deal with than if you just stick to confrontation mode from start to finish.

I just want to say, that although I argue with you and eggie a fair bit, both of you are top notch posters and make really good points and are good at making arguments and presenting different points of view. I'd also say that neither of you are "haters". Also, eggie and I find points of agreement on other topics so I wouldn't say we're at loggerheads or anything. Heck, even me and gogators! occasionally find ourselves agreeing.


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« Reply #6307 on: August 03, 2017, 11:41:44 PM »
Get a room!

This is the rant thread, dammit!

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« Reply #6308 on: August 04, 2017, 07:58:49 AM »
It's not enough to register in NEIS to take a Friday vacation afternoon off, gotta go bow and scrape to the principal in his office. Forget it.

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« Reply #6309 on: August 04, 2017, 08:04:28 AM »
It's not enough to register in NEIS to take a Friday vacation afternoon off, gotta go bow and scrape to the principal in his office. Forget it.

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« Reply #6310 on: August 04, 2017, 08:21:45 AM »
Here I am chillin' in the office. Only teacher on the whole floor.....
At least camp is over....
Why am I here again? Oh yeah... diligence?!?!?!

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« Reply #6311 on: August 04, 2017, 03:38:22 PM »
Why can't she get it through her head that some non Koreans like spicy food? Why does she have some mental block against absorbing new information?

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« Reply #6312 on: August 04, 2017, 08:38:59 PM »
sup dudes

Regarding the soup/soap mixup, I'm really glad he clarified. My husband and I frequently reference a condition called "soup pits" because for some reason I think BO smells like Campbell's canned soup.

Also, if you learn a language for ten years, you should have some vague competence. Just my opinion.

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« Reply #6313 on: August 04, 2017, 09:39:04 PM »
sup dudes

Regarding the soup/soap mixup, I'm really glad he clarified. My husband and I frequently reference a condition called "soup pits" because for some reason I think BO smells like Campbell's canned soup.

Also, if you learn a language for ten years, you should have some vague competence. Just my opinion.

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« Reply #6314 on: August 05, 2017, 11:07:32 AM »
Gotta get in one more rant before vacation!!

I've told my CT several times that I like spicy food, yet every time we contemplate eating something that has even the slightest hint of spice she goes "oh but it's spicy.. I don't know if you can..." HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL THIS WOMAN I LIKE SPICY FOOD.

Today she brought in that spicy ramen I guess because she thought it would be funny for me to eat it. I've tried it before, and I told her so. She talked about the videos she saw of foreigners trying it and how it's so funny. I asked her if she likes it and she said no, it's too spicy.

So she's got this thing in her head about me not being able to handle spice because I'm not Korean, but our spice tolerances are about the same. She will not accept this fact, and makes me watch famous waygook in Korea youtube videos of them eating spicy foods. I told her my family members love spicy food and have really high tolerances and she looks at me with her eyes wide and asks "did you ever eat spice before you came to Korea?" She actually thinks Korea is the only country that has spicy food.

Why can't she get it through her head that some non Koreans like spicy food? Why does she have some mental block against absorbing new information?

Just a thing- there is a chance that there was some incident where a previous foreign teacher either was totally intolerant of spice OR said they like spicy things and then got something that was too spicy and freaked out.

Don't take it too personally.

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« Reply #6315 on: August 05, 2017, 01:06:58 PM »
Gotta get in one more rant before vacation!!

I've told my CT several times that I like spicy food, yet every time we contemplate eating something that has even the slightest hint of spice she goes "oh but it's spicy.. I don't know if you can..." HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL THIS WOMAN I LIKE SPICY FOOD.

Today she brought in that spicy ramen I guess because she thought it would be funny for me to eat it. I've tried it before, and I told her so. She talked about the videos she saw of foreigners trying it and how it's so funny. I asked her if she likes it and she said no, it's too spicy.

So she's got this thing in her head about me not being able to handle spice because I'm not Korean, but our spice tolerances are about the same. She will not accept this fact, and makes me watch famous waygook in Korea youtube videos of them eating spicy foods. I told her my family members love spicy food and have really high tolerances and she looks at me with her eyes wide and asks "did you ever eat spice before you came to Korea?" She actually thinks Korea is the only country that has spicy food.

Why can't she get it through her head that some non Koreans like spicy food? Why does she have some mental block against absorbing new information?

Just a thing- there is a chance that there was some incident where a previous foreign teacher either was totally intolerant of spice OR said they like spicy things and then got something that was too spicy and freaked out.

Don't take it too personally.
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« Reply #6316 on: August 06, 2017, 08:01:43 AM »
quote - I definitely agree that many people have unreasonable expectations of Korean here in Korea with regards to English. I don't think we're entitled to English everywhere we go, and I think it's absurd when people whine about things like that. I'm with you there

I can't recall anyone on here saying they're entitled to English everywhere they go in Korea. What usually happens is someone complains that the people at immigration or an international hotel or tourist information don't speak English and someone like De Martino accuses them of being whiny entitled westerners with crap Korean language skills, who expect English everywhere they go. And so the cycle continues.

Not in this thread recently, no, you're right. I know I've heard people complaining about a lack English in places where I don't think there's really any reasonable right to expect it, though, both on this site and in real life. I don't mean places like immigration or government offices, I mean places/people like cashiers at convenience stores or salespeople at clothes stores. I think people who complain about it are vastly outnumbered by the people who don't think it's a big deal, but it does happen.

At any rate, I said that mostly in an effort to try to meet Mr.D somewhere in the middle or add something to my post that he could agree with. I find that when you do that with people who will argue about everything, it tempers them a little and makes them a bit more pleasant to deal with than if you just stick to confrontation mode from start to finish.

A cautionary tale about what can happen if you can't speak at least survival English.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4763774/Elderly-South-Korean-tourist-reported-missing-London-family.html


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« Reply #6317 on: August 06, 2017, 08:39:35 AM »
Gotta get in one more rant before vacation!!

I've told my CT several times that I like spicy food, yet every time we contemplate eating something that has even the slightest hint of spice she goes "oh but it's spicy.. I don't know if you can..." HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL THIS WOMAN I LIKE SPICY FOOD.

Today she brought in that spicy ramen I guess because she thought it would be funny for me to eat it. I've tried it before, and I told her so. She talked about the videos she saw of foreigners trying it and how it's so funny. I asked her if she likes it and she said no, it's too spicy.

So she's got this thing in her head about me not being able to handle spice because I'm not Korean, but our spice tolerances are about the same. She will not accept this fact, and makes me watch famous waygook in Korea youtube videos of them eating spicy foods. I told her my family members love spicy food and have really high tolerances and she looks at me with her eyes wide and asks "did you ever eat spice before you came to Korea?" She actually thinks Korea is the only country that has spicy food.

Why can't she get it through her head that some non Koreans like spicy food? Why does she have some mental block against absorbing new information?

Just a thing- there is a chance that there was some incident where a previous foreign teacher either was totally intolerant of spice OR said they like spicy things and then got something that was too spicy and freaked out.

Don't take it too personally.

Wow!  So, regardless of what they told their coteacher, the fact that she may have met 1 person in the past who didn't/couldn't eat spicy food means she can continue to believe that all non-Koreans are incapable of eating spicy food?  Really, when a similar associative argument is made against Koreans (you change "all" to "some" in many of your pointless replies) you have a conniption fit and mount that high horse of yours and gallop to save Korea's good name.

They told their coteacher that they can eat spicy food, they have demonstrated this to her many times, she refuses to change her stance. 

I wonder if she also flips out when she sees non-Koreans use chopsticks!

Following your logic, i once saw a Korean peeing in the street, so, i will treat all Koreans as if they do the same.

Don't take it too personally.
« Last Edit: August 06, 2017, 10:30:25 AM by sligo »

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« Reply #6318 on: August 06, 2017, 09:01:28 AM »
I've had the same problem as sevenpm. I grew up eating spicy food and can handle it better than most Koreans, but no matter how many times I have demonstrated this at lunch and those dinners we have to go on from time to time, some of the KTs always act like spicy food is my kryptonite. At this point I absolutely refuse to believe that they haven't learned from their many observations that I can, in fact, eat spicy food and can tolerate levels much higher than most of them (like, seriously, this isn't a one time thing -- it's a weekly experience). I'm pretty sure that for at least some of them it comes from a detrimental mindset, one that normally doesn't play out beyond certain settings (such as the dinner table), but one that's there nonetheless. And from some of the veiled expressions I catch from time to time (and the looks I catch my coTs tossing a few of their coworkers after they've made some previously debunked comment about my "sensitivity" to spicy food), I've come to believe that it's like an attack on their perceived uniqueness. So they're always on the lookout for a chance to reassert their biases (and to confirm them), even when they know it's bullshit.

I don't take it personally, but I can understand the frustration that can come from it because it's stupid and frequent enough be considered condescending. And it's not some cultural misunderstanding, either, because Koreans would get pretty offended themselves if the tables were turned. I've seen it. 

I mean, is it worth getting bent out of shape for?

No. Even when you get that one jackass who's trying to get you bent out of shape over it (because those guys exist, too).

But it's definitely worth a rant or two.
« Last Edit: August 06, 2017, 09:34:14 AM by Chinguetti »

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« Reply #6319 on: August 06, 2017, 11:19:33 AM »
Gotta get in one more rant before vacation!!

I've told my CT several times that I like spicy food, yet every time we contemplate eating something that has even the slightest hint of spice she goes "oh but it's spicy.. I don't know if you can..." HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL THIS WOMAN I LIKE SPICY FOOD.

Today she brought in that spicy ramen I guess because she thought it would be funny for me to eat it. I've tried it before, and I told her so. She talked about the videos she saw of foreigners trying it and how it's so funny. I asked her if she likes it and she said no, it's too spicy.

So she's got this thing in her head about me not being able to handle spice because I'm not Korean, but our spice tolerances are about the same. She will not accept this fact, and makes me watch famous waygook in Korea youtube videos of them eating spicy foods. I told her my family members love spicy food and have really high tolerances and she looks at me with her eyes wide and asks "did you ever eat spice before you came to Korea?" She actually thinks Korea is the only country that has spicy food.

Why can't she get it through her head that some non Koreans like spicy food? Why does she have some mental block against absorbing new information?

Just a thing- there is a chance that there was some incident where a previous foreign teacher either was totally intolerant of spice OR said they like spicy things and then got something that was too spicy and freaked out.

Don't take it too personally.

Wow!  So, regardless of what they told their coteacher, the fact that she may have met 1 person in the past who didn't/couldn't eat spicy food means she can continue to believe that all non-Koreans are incapable of eating spicy food?  Really, when a similar associative argument is made against Koreans (you change "all" to "some" in many of your pointless replies) you have a conniption fit and mount that high horse of yours and gallop to save Korea's good name.

They told their coteacher that they can eat spicy food, they have demonstrated this to her many times, she refuses to change her stance. 

I wonder if she also flips out when she sees non-Koreans use chopsticks!

Following your logic, i once saw a Korean peeing in the street, so, i will treat all Koreans as if they do the same.

Don't take it too personally.

That wasn't my point. What I'm saying is that she is undoubtedly worried about her having some sort of negative reaction and getting angry/sick/going hungry because of it. She is acting out of concern (unlike your pee example).

There's nothing wrong with being cautious and concerned for someone you have a working relationship with. The lady would probably feel mortified if she did eat it and it WAS too spicy and probably thinks she'll hate Korean food forever or something.

All I'm saying is that we don't know what prior interactions took place that caused this excessive caution. We also have to remember that for every foreigner that has been fine with the spice, our CTs have probably encountered one who couldn't handle it at all, and one who thought they could handle it but couldn't.

And again, this is not the same as forming a bigoted negative opinion about someone. Acting out of concern is not the same as acting out of bigotry and hostility.