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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8540 on: August 08, 2018, 09:57:00 PM »
Yeah, these 2 weeks of camp have been the longest 2 weeks of the term, the futility of it all, the lack of professionalism the 'Klogic', it all just unloaded on me.

Today, the "Klogic", window-dressing culture, hypocrisy and outright ridiculousness (everything I can't stand about Korean culture) manifested itself.

1 - It was slightly over 40 degrees outside, yesterday at 11AM, when my CT informed me that the students really wanted to
     have a water balloon fight outside. She was adamant, but I convinced her to postpone it for 9AM today. She was completely
     oblivious to the fact that a kid running around in 40 degree heat was likely to get heatstroke and the liability would fall on
     us.

2 - This morning, we did the balloon fight. After we filled about 100 balloons, I told her to designate the students into 2 teams
     and make a mini dodgeball style court and they could toss balloons. This way, they don't simply waste balloons as they
     chase each other around the field and miss 95% of their shots... more importantly, we won't have to PICK UP A HUNDRED
     BALLOON PIECES ALL OVER A MASSIVE DIRT SOCCER PITCH... Of course, she forgot to mention and yes, we spent nearly
     half an hour looking for balloon pieces in sweltering heat. Oh, did I mention everyone including my CT kept their indoor
     shoes on the entire time.

3 - Cleanup time, the class is cleaning everything. Everything except the bin overflowing beyond critical mass, everyone
     including the CT is just piling things on top of the pile. Next to the bin is another 3 compartment bin for recyclables,
     nowhere near as full. I tell me CT leaving that bin as it is, is ridiculous. I take the bag out and start stuffing everything
     that's spilled out into the bag, which is just about as full as you can get it. My CT protests, telling me we can't throw out the
     bag till it's absolutely full, as in full to the point that it's ripping at the sides. She goes on to tell me that plastic bags are
     expensive and it's to protect the environment by filling the bag (I've heard Korean teachers say this BS before).
     This moron then goes on to take recyclables out the other bin to stuff it in the waste bin so she can fill the bag beyond
     capacity.

     ... you try to save the environment by putting recyclables into a plastic bag designated for waste.
   
Window dressing - Koreans only care about recycling or the environment when people are watching them.
                         - Indoor shoes only inside, unless nobody is watching.
                         
KLOGIC - CT switches off fan and AC in the class while we're out doing the water balloon fight. After picking said balloon pieces
              in a scorching dirt patch, we enter a classroom that's hotter and stuffier than Sauron's ass crack.
            - We do movie day and my CT asks me to teach them the script of ordering a movie ticket and popcorn. Then they're
              supposed to practice the script with me. The script includes asking for popcorn (we have no popcorn) and one ticket
              for the Lion King (we're playing a different movie)... I actually had to argue to change the script to what they were
              actually eating and watching.

Seriously, how are Koreans not committing suicide by the droves as a result of this ridiculous culture... oh wait.

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« Reply #8541 on: August 10, 2018, 07:07:41 AM »

Seriously, how are Koreans not committing suicide by the droves as a result of this ridiculous culture... oh wait.

I know this is the ranting/venting thread but... my dude... are you okay?

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« Reply #8542 on: August 10, 2018, 08:08:09 AM »
Yesterday, right before I started day 1 of my 3 day camp, my CT casually informs me that she hasn’t bought any of the materials for the Rube Goldberg machine I had planned for the students. I had no time to be pissed and hastily switched to my day 3 plan, which was still a mess as I didn’t bring all the materials from home. Class started 20min late, while I was rushing to setup the activities. At the end of the day I expressly told my CT to inform me beforehand if there were any change in plans, apparently she was “so busy” last week, she had no time to send a Kakao message.

Today, not only did she fail to bring the materials, AGAIN! She also screwed up the simple procedure of copying a few pictures from 2 student’s phones and saving it to the PC. The students are now upset that they didn’t get points they were supposed to. They were excited about the Rube Goldberg machine and now she’s teaching “Art Day”, where they colour in famous paintings. The students are pretty bored and there’s zero reason for me to be here... Who says professionalism doesn’t exist in Korea?

on my final ever camp i was given no budget, and absolutely no materials. i was even limited on how much paper i could use (which was very little). i put in as much effort as the school cared about the camp - absolutely none. i also found out the students had to pay to join, so where was that money going? straight into the principal's pocket, i imagine...

don't worry about it. just show movies, or something

Call me a shit starter, if you must... but I would have flatly refused. I've tried working in those types of confines in the past, and I'm beyond over it. Now, when they come to me and tell me that they want a camp but basically tell me I have no budget and have a limit on what office materials I can use, I simply tell them, "...if you don't have budget for materials, then you don't have a budget for camp... in which case, I simply can't do the camp. These things don't come together out of thin air." Sometimes, I've even had them tell me that I had to provide my own materials. That one I shut down immediately. Teaching is a profession (despite what some uppity expats here might think), not a charity/volunteer work.

Granted, I've also found that when I employ these tactics, typically, a budget will magically appear. So I've never had to worry too much.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8543 on: August 10, 2018, 08:13:49 AM »
It was my last 2 weeks teaching at a public school. I had an F visa by then, principal was a massive ****. I showed movies or let the kids do whatever they wanted, and left straight away. I had completely checked out and couldn't be bothered to even argue about it (i guess picking battles - I had a huge disagreement about getting time off for my honeymoon a couple weeks prior)

My first 2 years the that school were amazing, but a new shit bag of a principal came and made everyone's life hell. Not just me, every teacher hated him. I'm still amazed at how much power principals in Korea have, and how there's no system in place to file a complaint or make sure they do a good job
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« Reply #8544 on: August 10, 2018, 08:14:29 AM »
Teaching is a profession (despite what some uppity expats here might think), not a charity/volunteer work.


I don't think that professionalism is really the point.

You are an employee. Employees are provided with what they need to do their job.

If you were a contractor* then the discussion would start with an RFP, answered by your proposal, including your rate. Your proposal would make it clear who is responsible for what.

Could you imagine working in burger shop and being told that you had to provide the ketchup?

*for more than just tax purposes.

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« Reply #8545 on: August 10, 2018, 08:28:11 AM »
Yep. At my after school program (which is the shittest job ive ever had, I think) the company manager said he won't be providing any board markers or paper when I run out. Can you imagine that? Hmm, guess I won't be getting much teaching —or really much of anything - done then.

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« Reply #8546 on: August 10, 2018, 09:02:53 AM »
Teaching is a profession (despite what some uppity expats here might think), not a charity/volunteer work.


I don't think that professionalism is really the point.

You are an employee. Employees are provided with what they need to do their job.

If you were a contractor* then the discussion would start with an RFP, answered by your proposal, including your rate. Your proposal would make it clear who is responsible for what.

Could you imagine working in burger shop and being told that you had to provide the ketchup?

*for more than just tax purposes.

Agreed. It's always been crazy to me (and no, this isn't just an "in Korea" thing) how schools seem to think teachers should buy their own supplies. Like, if you don't have the supplies necessary to teach students, are you really a school?

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« Reply #8547 on: August 10, 2018, 09:40:48 AM »

Seriously, how are Koreans not committing suicide by the droves as a result of this ridiculous culture... oh wait.

I know this is the ranting/venting thread but... my dude... are you okay?

Seriously, dude is going on about 40 degree whether at 11AM (which a simple weather report debunks) and kids getting heat stroke (seriously, if there's one group of people who can run endlessly in the heat and be fine- it's kids.)

And oh my goodness, the kids wanted to RUN AROUND during their water balloon fight. The horrors! (although picking up water balloon bits does suck)

He does have a point on the garbage bags. Those things are like 1,000 won. Who cares? Go get another one.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #8548 on: August 10, 2018, 10:55:22 AM »
Teaching is a profession (despite what some uppity expats here might think), not a charity/volunteer work.


I don't think that professionalism is really the point.

You are an employee. Employees are provided with what they need to do their job.

If you were a contractor* then the discussion would start with an RFP, answered by your proposal, including your rate. Your proposal would make it clear who is responsible for what.

Could you imagine working in burger shop and being told that you had to provide the ketchup?

*for more than just tax purposes.

Agreed. It's always been crazy to me (and no, this isn't just an "in Korea" thing) how schools seem to think teachers should buy their own supplies. Like, if you don't have the supplies necessary to teach students, are you really a school?

I don’t think teachers should have to buy stuff unless they want to buy it. Things like stickers or stamps for younger children. That being said I remember when I was in school and a teacher said I PAID FOR THIS WITH MY OWN MONEY like we were supposed to congratulate her. I always thought that she should not have bought it and not lectured us. If I had known about slow claps I would have slow clapped at any moment I heard that.

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« Reply #8549 on: August 10, 2018, 11:29:50 AM »
Seriously, dude is going on about 40 degree whether at 11AM (which a simple weather report debunks) and kids getting heat stroke (seriously, if there's one group of people who can run endlessly in the heat and be fine- it's kids.)
   We had record highs in the Daegu area -- highest recorded since records began in 1907 (so possibly they were the highest temperatures ever in Korea, for all we know!).  :huh:
   Temps were up at 40.7 Celcius at one o' clock in the afternoon. I assume Aristocrat's rant was referring to one of the days during this heat wave.

Seoul also had temps hovering around 40.

https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/south-korea-sets-all-time-record-high-temperature-amid-deadly-heat-wave/70005657

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« Reply #8550 on: August 16, 2018, 08:55:56 AM »
Nonstop talking over the PA.

I have no idea what they're saying, but I doubt anyone is actually listening.

It's been going for the last 15 minutes now.

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« Reply #8551 on: August 16, 2018, 10:20:32 AM »
   We had record highs in the Daegu area -- highest recorded since records began in 1907 (so possibly they were the highest temperatures ever in Korea, for all we know!).  :huh:
   Temps were up at 40.7 Celcius at one o' clock in the afternoon.

I recently learned from a Korean co-worker that Daegu is apparently the hottest part of Korea during the summer, and as such, Koreans have nicknamed Daegu "Dafrica." Haha.

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« Reply #8552 on: August 16, 2018, 10:27:50 AM »
   We had record highs in the Daegu area -- highest recorded since records began in 1907 (so possibly they were the highest temperatures ever in Korea, for all we know!).  :huh:
   Temps were up at 40.7 Celcius at one o' clock in the afternoon.

I recently learned from a Korean co-worker that Daegu is apparently the hottest part of Korea during the summer, and as such, Koreans have nicknamed Daegu "Dafrica." Haha.

I think this is supposed to be the main reason why the Daegu area is used for growing those expensive gift apples. It has the perfect "tropical" climate for growing them.

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« Reply #8553 on: August 16, 2018, 11:47:04 AM »
Before anyways says it, yes, I'm aware that I chose to live in Korea and I should expect this.

So why the heck are vegetables always spicy??? Unless they're serving salad, the veggie side dishes are always red, and just looking at it is threatening to me.

Not trying to complain but my low-tolerance for spicy food makes it hard to enjoy school lunch sometimes. My second school especially, which is situated in the the countryside. Today was bulgogi, spicy fish cake soup, kimchi (of course), and some other veggie covered in red. The bulgogi was bearable, but everything else wasn't. I just wanna eat healthy, but they make it way more difficult  :cry:
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« Reply #8554 on: August 16, 2018, 12:02:29 PM »
So why the heck are vegetables always spicy??? Unless they're serving salad, the veggie side dishes are always red, and just looking at it is threatening to me.

I like spicy food a lot, but I don't want all of my food to be spicy all the time.
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« Reply #8555 on: August 16, 2018, 12:06:09 PM »
Before anyways says it, yes, I'm aware that I chose to live in Korea and I should expect this.

So why the heck are vegetables always spicy??? Unless they're serving salad, the veggie side dishes are always red, and just looking at it is threatening to me.

Not trying to complain but my low-tolerance for spicy food makes it hard to enjoy school lunch sometimes. My second school especially, which is situated in the the countryside. Today was bulgogi, spicy fish cake soup, kimchi (of course), and some other veggie covered in red. The bulgogi was bearable, but everything else wasn't. I just wanna eat healthy, but they make it way more difficult  :cry:

Why not make a healthy lunch and take it with you? It's what I do. :P

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« Reply #8556 on: August 16, 2018, 12:14:07 PM »
Before anyways says it, yes, I'm aware that I chose to live in Korea and I should expect this.

So why the heck are vegetables always spicy??? Unless they're serving salad, the veggie side dishes are always red, and just looking at it is threatening to me.

Not trying to complain but my low-tolerance for spicy food makes it hard to enjoy school lunch sometimes. My second school especially, which is situated in the the countryside. Today was bulgogi, spicy fish cake soup, kimchi (of course), and some other veggie covered in red. The bulgogi was bearable, but everything else wasn't. I just wanna eat healthy, but they make it way more difficult  :cry:

Why not make a healthy lunch and take it with you? It's what I do. :P

1. I'm clueless when it comes to preparing affordable, tasty "healthy" food. (What's cheap and healthy at the grocery store?)

2. I'm paying $4 a meal, I'd like to get my money's worth  :sad:
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« Reply #8557 on: August 16, 2018, 12:16:19 PM »
   We had record highs in the Daegu area -- highest recorded since records began in 1907 (so possibly they were the highest temperatures ever in Korea, for all we know!).  :huh:
   Temps were up at 40.7 Celcius at one o' clock in the afternoon.

I recently learned from a Korean co-worker that Daegu is apparently the hottest part of Korea during the summer, and as such, Koreans have nicknamed Daegu "Dafrica." Haha.

I think this is supposed to be the main reason why the Daegu area is used for growing those expensive gift apples. It has the perfect "tropical" climate for growing them.

It is pronounced Deprica, I think. They used to, but I have heard that Daegu pretty much doesn't produce apples any longer, although, still known for apples (and prettier girls?). Also up in Seoul last week it was hotter than Daegu was, somewhere around 2 degrees hotter. Most of that could be due to city heat, considering everything is paved. It is really bad in Seoul because the temperatures don't drop due to the ground and buildings holding so much heat during the night.

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« Reply #8558 on: August 16, 2018, 12:26:53 PM »
Why not make a healthy lunch and take it with you? It's what I do. :P
1. I'm clueless when it comes to preparing affordable, tasty "healthy" food. (What's cheap and healthy at the grocery store?)

2. I'm paying $4 a meal, I'd like to get my money's worth  :sad:
If you don't like the school lunches, just drop by the admin office and cancel your subscription. It's usually a month by month thing in most schools, so it shouldn't be a huge issue.

   I never used to eat lunch, so I opted out of all my schools' lunch services. But I recently moved my running time to early mornings (because it's so *&$^&% hot in the evenings), so now, by the time lunch comes around, I'm pretty ravenous.

   I usually pack a small tupperware with a salad in it (lettuce, a few cherry tomatoes, and some grated cucumber and carrots) along with a small container of dressing. Also, one or two of those yoghurt cups. And enough coffee mix sticks to induce diabetic shock in a gummy bear. Total cost is about 3 or 4 thousand won.  :smiley:

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« Reply #8559 on: August 16, 2018, 01:41:06 PM »
Before anyways says it, yes, I'm aware that I chose to live in Korea and I should expect this.

So why the heck are vegetables always spicy??? Unless they're serving salad, the veggie side dishes are always red, and just looking at it is threatening to me.

Not trying to complain but my low-tolerance for spicy food makes it hard to enjoy school lunch sometimes. My second school especially, which is situated in the the countryside. Today was bulgogi, spicy fish cake soup, kimchi (of course), and some other veggie covered in red. The bulgogi was bearable, but everything else wasn't. I just wanna eat healthy, but they make it way more difficult  :cry:

Why not make a healthy lunch and take it with you? It's what I do. :P

1. I'm clueless when it comes to preparing affordable, tasty "healthy" food. (What's cheap and healthy at the grocery store?)

2. I'm paying $4 a meal, I'd like to get my money's worth  :sad:

Fruit, veges, meat, seeds, and nuts.
I usually just make chicken and pasta, and take a couple pieces of fruit with me. - Simple, doesn't take that long to make, and it's pretty tasty. I have students that will ask me for some of my lunch every day, because they like my cooking :p

Otherwise, I make a protein smoothie. I use apple mangoes, bananas, blueberries, this liquid strawberry yoghurt the supermarket sells, sometimes sunflower, pumpkin, sesame, chia seeds (any combination of the 4), and 2 scoops of this protein powder that I buy (2 scoops sounds like a lot, but it's this special kind, and the scoops are a lot smaller).

And if I'm too lazy for either of the 2. Can't go wrong with a couple of peanut butter sandwiches and a few pieces of fruit.

And yeah, the cost of the lunches are usually paid monthly, you can opt out of them too.