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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7960 on: April 26, 2018, 11:21:40 AM »

There will be a Korean teacher officially assigned to 'your' class. She is liable for anything that happens and technically she should be in the room with you. She'll no doubt be shopping on her computer, or drinking instant coffee with extremely sweet bread while gossiping about someone with another Korean teacher, but officially she's in the classroom. She'd probably try to pin the blame on you if something happened, but she is responsible.

I think that only applies to classes that are part of the textbook curriculum,  whereas "after school" classes are different. I used to teach after school classes alone, and I grumbled about it at one of our mandatory monthly POE meetings, and the coordinator told us that schools don't actually have to provide a CoT for those classes.

If I remember correctly, Bingsu is a TALK teacher doing all or mostly after school classes. She might be SOL in the coteacher department, unless her school opts to provide her with on out of the kindness of their hearts.  :laugh:

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7961 on: April 26, 2018, 11:57:07 AM »
I think that only applies to classes that are part of the textbook curriculum,  whereas "after school" classes are different. I used to teach after school classes alone, and I grumbled about it at one of our mandatory monthly POE meetings, and the coordinator told us that schools don't actually have to provide a CoT for those classes.

If I remember correctly, Bingsu is a TALK teacher doing all or mostly after school classes. She might be SOL in the coteacher department, unless her school opts to provide her with on out of the kindness of their hearts.  :laugh:
    Yeah, schools are not required to have Korean teachers present during after school programmes *or* camps of any sort, as they are technically extra-curricular. They are, however, required to have a Korean faculty member at the school -- they can't make you teach camps or whatever if nobody else is around!

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7962 on: April 26, 2018, 12:28:03 PM »

There will be a Korean teacher officially assigned to 'your' class. She is liable for anything that happens and technically she should be in the room with you. She'll no doubt be shopping on her computer, or drinking instant coffee with extremely sweet bread while gossiping about someone with another Korean teacher, but officially she's in the classroom. She'd probably try to pin the blame on you if something happened, but she is responsible.

I think that only applies to classes that are part of the textbook curriculum,  whereas "after school" classes are different. I used to teach after school classes alone, and I grumbled about it at one of our mandatory monthly POE meetings, and the coordinator told us that schools don't actually have to provide a CoT for those classes.

If I remember correctly, Bingsu is a TALK teacher doing all or mostly after school classes. She might be SOL in the coteacher department, unless her school opts to provide her with on out of the kindness of their hearts.  :laugh:

How does that play out for liability purposes, though? They can opt out, but I'm pretty sure the school could and would still be held responsible for anything that happens in the classroom, regardless of its claim, and should anything actually happen they'd still be facing a lot of scrutiny if a KT wasn't present. They might try to shimmy out of it by using some wayward logic or technicalities, but as far as I know it still falls on them because the classroom is still school property being used for school purposes, and most NETs operate under E2 visas.

Anyone know otherwise?

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7963 on: April 26, 2018, 12:38:08 PM »
How does that play out for liability purposes, though? They can opt out, but I'm pretty sure the school could and would still be held responsible for anything that happens in the classroom, regardless of its claim, and should anything actually happen they'd still be facing a lot of scrutiny if a KT wasn't present. They might try to shimmy out of it by using some wayward logic or technicalities, but as far as I know it still falls on them because the classroom is still school property being used for school purposes, and most NETs operate under E2 visas.
Anyone know otherwise?
     This is a good point, and I think possibly the difference between the two isn't so much a matter of liability as it is curriculum: only Korean teachers hold valid Korean teaching licenses and are therefore required to be present when standard curriculum is being taught. Extra-curricular classes can be taught by folk who don't have those licenses. This means that during regular classes, KETs need to be in the room, but in other classes, they don't need to be.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7964 on: April 26, 2018, 12:59:14 PM »
Dave Stepz, I know.  I've been to her native land a few times, and when my guy friend from London and woman from Liverpool over here use mate and love a certain way, I know what the inflection means.

"Fancy a cuppa, love" versus pointing out someone's inexperience on a chat forum and adding " Also sorry love but isn't this your first year?" Come on, we know how that was intended to come across.  Not saying it was vicious or she's a bad person, but condescending in the true sense of the word? absolutely.  She meant to discredit the person's comment by alluding to their inexperience, not by contradicting their points.  Textbook.  No need to circle the wagons.

I do use love in a nice way too, so thanks DS ;)

but yeah OnNut in this case I was absolutely doing what you say. Dunno why you would bring it up though.
« Last Edit: April 26, 2018, 01:01:15 PM by Pennypie »

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7965 on: April 26, 2018, 01:59:43 PM »
Pennypie:
Why would I bring it up?  Is that a rhetorical question?  If someone had had to have a justifiable reason for bringing things up on here this board would be the tumbleweed populated site that the café has become.  I imagine, like most, I'm on here out of sheer boredom with deskwarming.  Boredom leads to nit picking. Simple as that.  I don't guess there are many of us who are getting on here between work hours.

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« Reply #7966 on: April 26, 2018, 02:43:54 PM »
Pennypie:
Why would I bring it up?  Is that a rhetorical question?  If someone had had to have a justifiable reason for bringing things up on here this board would be the tumbleweed populated site that the café has become.  I imagine, like most, I'm on here out of sheer boredom with deskwarming.  Boredom leads to nit picking. Simple as that.  I don't guess there are many of us who are getting on here between work hours.

Haha very true.

Nothing to argue or nitpick. Darn!

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7967 on: April 27, 2018, 09:52:59 AM »
In case anyone hasn't already realized, the Korean internet user experience is unbelievably, unfathomably, ridiculously @#%&#  :blank:

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7968 on: April 27, 2018, 11:47:33 AM »
In case anyone hasn't already realized, the Korean internet user experience is unbelievably, unfathomably, ridiculously @#%&#  :blank:

I don't know. The internet is fast, stable, and cheap. I can't complain.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7969 on: April 27, 2018, 11:59:33 AM »

There will be a Korean teacher officially assigned to 'your' class. She is liable for anything that happens and technically she should be in the room with you. She'll no doubt be shopping on her computer, or drinking instant coffee with extremely sweet bread while gossiping about someone with another Korean teacher, but officially she's in the classroom. She'd probably try to pin the blame on you if something happened, but she is responsible.

I think that only applies to classes that are part of the textbook curriculum,  whereas "after school" classes are different. I used to teach after school classes alone, and I grumbled about it at one of our mandatory monthly POE meetings, and the coordinator told us that schools don't actually have to provide a CoT for those classes.

If I remember correctly, Bingsu is a TALK teacher doing all or mostly after school classes. She might be SOL in the coteacher department, unless her school opts to provide her with on out of the kindness of their hearts.  :laugh:

How does that play out for liability purposes, though? They can opt out, but I'm pretty sure the school could and would still be held responsible for anything that happens in the classroom, regardless of its claim, and should anything actually happen they'd still be facing a lot of scrutiny if a KT wasn't present. They might try to shimmy out of it by using some wayward logic or technicalities, but as far as I know it still falls on them because the classroom is still school property being used for school purposes, and most NETs operate under E2 visas.

Anyone know otherwise?


Like everything it depends on the situation.

I just asked my co teachers.

If a student is hurt in a accidental situation, under your solo care or not. The school insurance will pay.

If a student is hurt and it can be proven in law it's because of you. Then you are responsible however the school insurance will probably still pay for the students medical care and the parents will take you to civil court.

If a student is hurt and the parents say it's because you didn't care about them, then it's your "moral responsibility" and maybe the school will be pissed but legally they should protect you.

If you're hurt on school property during the working time set out in your contract then the school will pay.

If you are out of school, without permission, and get hurt, then it will become a big thing and the school will get in trouble with the POE/MOE. As unlikely as this is, some schools just prefer to follow the rules.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7970 on: April 27, 2018, 12:04:12 PM »
In case anyone hasn't already realized, the Korean internet user experience is unbelievably, unfathomably, ridiculously @#%&#  :blank:

I don't know. The internet is fast, stable, and cheap. I can't complain.

Yup, it's fast.
But,
Internet Explorer...........



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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7971 on: April 27, 2018, 12:32:47 PM »
In case anyone hasn't already realized, the Korean internet user experience is unbelievably, unfathomably, ridiculously @#%&#  :blank:

I don't know. The internet is fast, stable, and cheap. I can't complain.

Yup, it's fast.
But,
Internet Explorer...........

Anyone who says the internet here is good is a ****** moron.

-Porn banned
-Gambling banned
-Anything you want to buy...ID number (government watching you/companies tracking you/advertisers data mining you)
- Internet explorer and pop ups, add ons and computer clogging programs just to buy something trivial.
- Government age censorship on youtube videos with bad words in. Come on man. (oh just fill in this form...won't accept name  :lipsrsealed:)
-Netflix age verification (same as above- just ask a Korean. **** off. Shouldn't have to ask anyone to watch Breaking bad).

Yeah, it's fast and cheap but at what cost?

And don't say use a VPN. Go **** yourself.
« Last Edit: April 27, 2018, 12:36:20 PM by AvecPommesFrites »
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7972 on: April 27, 2018, 12:45:14 PM »
What's wrong with using vpns? Chrome comes with one built in, kinda.

I mean, one shouldn't have to use a VPN, but it's only 30 seconds of effort and then you have that fast and cheap internet... *plus* the satisfaction that your stickin' it to the man, man!

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« Reply #7973 on: April 27, 2018, 12:56:11 PM »
What's wrong with using vpns? Chrome comes with one built in, kinda.

I mean, one shouldn't have to use a VPN, but it's only 30 seconds of effort and then you have that fast and cheap internet... *plus* the satisfaction that your stickin' it to the man, man!

Yup, VPNs are always good. But be more specific, I've spent literally all day just trying to sign in to NEIS, and Internet Explorer isn't playing nice.

I'll be a web developer once I get outta here, and it's just boggles the mind that developing for Internet Explorer first (and often only) is the standard here.

IE just needs to die.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7974 on: April 28, 2018, 06:07:30 AM »
What's wrong with using vpns? Chrome comes with one built in, kinda.

I mean, one shouldn't have to use a VPN, but it's only 30 seconds of effort and then you have that fast and cheap internet... *plus* the satisfaction that your stickin' it to the man, man!

Yup, VPNs are always good. But be more specific, I've spent literally all day just trying to sign in to NEIS, and Internet Explorer isn't playing nice.

I'll be a web developer once I get outta here, and it's just boggles the mind that developing for Internet Explorer first (and often only) is the standard here.

IE just needs to die.

Microsoft already killed it.

Just yesterday, Mr. Pizza’s website had a pop-up saying I wouldn’t be able to pay with another browser. They did have it early, so I was saved the additional frustration of loading up a cart before discovering this fact.

Another Korean web design habit that frustrates me it the overuse of .jpg images of text. This makes it difficult to select a word to translate, or an address to plug into SatNav, or a phone number to call.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7975 on: April 28, 2018, 08:33:36 AM »
if i wanted to be a web developer in korea, and i went to university to learn, would they be teaching me to use IE and overlay jpegs on websites?

all korean websites are hideous-looking, not very functional and are filled with errors. i don't understand how it's 2018 and this still is the case

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7976 on: April 28, 2018, 11:59:33 AM »
Yup. Microsoft killed a long time ago. By needs to die, I mean that people need to just stop developing for it and move on. It's dinosaur technology.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7977 on: April 28, 2018, 01:41:22 PM »
If some of the sites used Edge, it wouldn't be so bad. Edge isn't that horrible and works well enough.

But no, they actually want IE, not Edge. My laptop struggled to even run it, and this dino is from 2013.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7978 on: April 28, 2018, 07:12:31 PM »
if i wanted to be a web developer in korea, and i went to university to learn, would they be teaching me to use IE and overlay jpegs on websites?

all korean websites are hideous-looking, not very functional and are filled with errors. i don't understand how it's 2018 and this still is the case

Completely agree! 

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« Reply #7979 on: April 29, 2018, 01:25:19 AM »
if i wanted to be a web developer in korea, and i went to university to learn, would they be teaching me to use IE and overlay jpegs on websites?

all korean websites are hideous-looking, not very functional and are filled with errors. i don't understand how it's 2018 and this still is the case

Completely agree!

Back in the 90s, some bright spark had the idea making Active X security a legal requirement for every Korean website handling sensitive data. Active X was already outdated by the 90s, but this asshat decided he knew better. So, pretty much every Korean business with a website was forced to use it. As we know, Active X only works with IE, and since Microsoft itself called out it's failure and scrapped it, it only works properly on the oldest versions of IE.

Korean businesses are now stuck with it, as the switch to Chrome would mean every Korean businesses would have to do a total IT overhaul. There's not much motivation either. Less than 5% of the internet, outside of Daum and Naver is in Korean so, Koreans stick with it.