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« Reply #7360 on: February 21, 2018, 10:30:30 AM »
they cut vacation days from 21 to 18 out of sheer spite.

Not spite. The purpose of that was to be able to fit in more English camp days during the break / get more work out of the native English teacher.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7361 on: February 21, 2018, 10:35:06 AM »
Me: *Spends all of the winter break preparing lessons for the new semester*

My Co-Teacher, one week before the semester starts: There will be a new curriculum, and a new textbook!

 :huh: :undecided: :rolleyes:

Don't you just love being kept in the loop?!  :P

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« Reply #7362 on: February 21, 2018, 10:35:45 AM »
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Seems a few of us are in the same annoying position. Leaving for good then? What do you have planned for life after Korea if you don't mind me asking?

Same situation here. My plan? Return home (US), see family, buy a car and drive to Moab/Canyonlands area and camp and hike for several weeks. Relatively no people, fresh air, and no internet. The exact opposite of this country. Then, hitting up Denver for some much needed greenery time. After that headed to glacier national park for work.

Glad to have experienced this job but it wasn't what I had thought it was when applying.

How about you?

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7363 on: February 21, 2018, 10:38:18 AM »
Why oh why did they split my holidays by bringing me back from abroad for 4 effin days of deskwarming!!!! 4 days!!!!  I mean, I did absolutley nothing in those 4 days. Zilch!!!! The kids were eating pizza and watching movies but I had to come back as I had to "work".

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« Reply #7364 on: February 21, 2018, 10:50:05 AM »
Deskwarming is boring and irritating. I only have 8 days left in this country, and I could be out sightseeing or packing but nooooo. I have to come to school and sit here.  :rolleyes:

same same. it's my last week, contract ends at the end of this week. have had to come in the whole week and i am doing literally nothing.

my desk is all cleaned out, no lessons to prepare since i'm leaving the country, but nope, gotta come in and sit here all day for 8 hours doing sweet f-all because "it is what the contract says".  :rolleyes: meanwhile none of the korean teachers are here, despite the fact that classes start next week.

it's insane. the NET who has nothing to do and is leaving the country has to come to work, but the korean teachers who should have classes and paperwork to prepare are scratching their hairy balls at home.

not going to miss this country or this job one bit.

Complains about Koreans not following contracts, complains when he has to follow the contract.

You signed the contract. You have to show up and be there. Besides, you're getting paid money to literally DO NOTHING.

You clearly have never worked an hourly pay job in which if you didn't get enough hours per pay period, you might not be able to go out and have fun or pay a bill. You also have clearly never done a job involving hard labor.
The Korean teachers don't have to come in because they are on a different contract and have different rights and privileges that are enabled through collective bargaining and being certified teachers and members of their respective unions.

Spoiled NET: "What do you do to earn you salary for the month?"
Person Who Does Manual Labor: "I have to be on site at 6AM and we don't leave until the project is finished. During that time I carry heavy objects while exposed to the elements, do energy expending repetitive motion work, and risk maiming. How about you?"
Spoiled NET: My boss is making me come in and sit at my desk and watch Netflix so I get paid. Screw this job. They're horrible. They won't let me off work and still pay me so I can run around town taking pictures for my Instagram account.

 :rolleyes:

Anyone who whines and moans about deskwarming should be handed a shovel and told to dig ditches for 12 hours.

When I first started working, I once made the mistake of saying the words "This sucks. I've got nothing to do." while it was dead and we were just staring into space but couldn't get sent home yet. My manager promptly said "You want something to do? Go take down the ceiling panels and clean them."

That taught me about ever complaining about sitting around with nothing to do while getting paid good money to do it.

Now before you go and say "That's tyrannical." You know what it did? It instilled a work ethic, so that when I became manager (and even before then) sometimes during dead periods we would find things to do like clean this or do that or get something ready for the next shift to make their job easier.

Maybe you should do the same. Print out some stuff for the next teacher. Spruce up the classroom. Organize some files. If you're coming back next semester, get started on some plans and materials. Organize some books. Take out some trash.

"My school is selfish they never think of me."
"So what are you doing for the school or the next teacher?"
"Nothing, that's not my problem."

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7365 on: February 21, 2018, 10:54:43 AM »
Steels. The good little Korean drone worker.

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« Reply #7366 on: February 21, 2018, 11:13:05 AM »
Anyone knows that contracts in this country are more of a guide; a framework in which certain things can be negotiated, rather than something that has to be followed to the tee. Of course, salary isn't flexible, but, given certain situations, a little leeway could be given.

If it's vacation time, and the NET has nothing to do, a logical and sensible thing to do would allow the NET to "work from home" or something along those lines. This has nothing to do with digging ditches or hard labour; it's basic, common sense.

Some folks such as myself have had to return from abroad to deskwarm for less than a week and then be given our remaining vacation. This is incredibly stupid. Even if I wanted to stay in this school, that would have been to deal breaker there. There is no reason at all that they have to follow the contract so closely. Some schools have principals or VPs that are a little more forgiving; a little smarter and less anal retentive. A friend had his 24 days off in a row which is how it should be.


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« Reply #7367 on: February 21, 2018, 12:04:41 PM »
Anyone knows that contracts in this country are more of a guide; a framework in which certain things can be negotiated, rather than something that has to be followed to the tee. Of course, salary isn't flexible, but, given certain situations, a little leeway could be given.

If it's vacation time, and the NET has nothing to do, a logical and sensible thing to do would allow the NET to "work from home" or something along those lines. This has nothing to do with digging ditches or hard labour; it's basic, common sense.

Some folks such as myself have had to return from abroad to deskwarm for less than a week and then be given our remaining vacation. This is incredibly stupid. Even if I wanted to stay in this school, that would have been to deal breaker there. There is no reason at all that they have to follow the contract so closely. Some schools have principals or VPs that are a little more forgiving; a little smarter and less anal retentive. A friend had his 24 days off in a row which is how it should be.

No one forced you to sign the contract. The contract said X number of days working. Now at the time you signed, if they said 10 of your working days would involve you coming in, orfering Chinese food and watching Netflix, would you have refused to sign? Would you rather be doing English camp?

As far as flexibility, if you point to the contract and howl about coming in on a Saturday two times a year or staying late a few times, don't complain when you're forced to deskwarm!!!

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« Reply #7368 on: February 21, 2018, 12:11:17 PM »
Dude, just let people rant and vent. That's what this thread is for. If you want to bring your apologetics into specific threads people start to discuss these things, fine, fair play. For Pete's sake, though, try to leave your nonsense out of this thread. Nobody likes it, and you aren't changing anybody's minds.

And yes, before you point it out, I know you think ranting and venting don't actually help, and have some studies you like to link to back that up. I don't care. Nobody cares.

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« Reply #7369 on: February 21, 2018, 12:13:40 PM »
Seems a few of us are in the same annoying position. Leaving for good then? What do you have planned for life after Korea if you don't mind me asking?

i got a job teaching a content subject at an international high school in another country. i don't have a teaching certificate, but have a Master's degree in what i'm going to be teaching, and have previous experience teaching it.

the pay is only a little bit more but i was earning 2.8 mil here in Korea, so already on the high end. real chance of career advancement. 15-18 teaching hours per week, fully-paid summer and winter vacation + national holidays - about 3 months of vacation total. no deskwarming or summer and winter camps (i asked). 2-bedroom apartment, fully furnished and paid for.

EFL in korea is really going  downhill, even at the university level. teaching content subjects is where it's going to be at in the near-to-long-term future at the university level, imo anyway. get an MA in a content subject and a teaching certificate and a ton of great jobs in all sorts of different countries will open themselves up to you.

either that or get an MA TESOL and actually do research and publish - something that a lot of these university 'professors' seem to be averse to - and get a job as an actual professor, not just an instructor, which is what the vast majority of these 'professors' actually are.

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« Reply #7370 on: February 21, 2018, 12:25:14 PM »
Dude, just let people rant and vent. That's what this thread is for. If you want to bring your apologetics into specific threads people start to discuss these things, fine, fair play. For Pete's sake, though, try to leave your nonsense out of this thread. Nobody likes it, and you aren't changing anybody's minds.

And yes, before you point it out, I know you think ranting and venting don't actually help, and have some studies you like to link to back that up. I don't care. Nobody cares.

I'm ranting and venting at their rants and vents.  :laugh:

It really is a truly incomprehensible stance that deserves a good rant and vent.

Complaining about getting paid money to sit around and do nothing. Wow.

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« Reply #7371 on: February 21, 2018, 12:39:45 PM »
Me: *Spends all of the winter break preparing lessons for the new semester*

My Co-Teacher, one week before the semester starts: There will be a new curriculum, and a new textbook!

 :huh: :undecided: :rolleyes:

Don't you just love being kept in the loop?!  :P

I was lucky and got told about new textbooks, but they don't have them at the school yet, so I can't start planning. :'( I'm pretty bored deskwarming, however, my home is really close to the school, so I've been having extended lunchbreaks - which involves video games at home. I can do that from work, but my home pc is much better than my PoS laptop. :P
My head teacher (who is the highest person around) doesn't mind either. He is really bored and is just watching TV shows on his PC at work haha (He even asked me for recommendations on English shows he can watch)

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7372 on: February 21, 2018, 12:50:05 PM »
Anyone knows that contracts in this country are more of a guide; a framework in which certain things can be negotiated, rather than something that has to be followed to the tee. Of course, salary isn't flexible, but, given certain situations, a little leeway could be given.

If it's vacation time, and the NET has nothing to do, a logical and sensible thing to do would allow the NET to "work from home" or something along those lines. This has nothing to do with digging ditches or hard labour; it's basic, common sense.

Some folks such as myself have had to return from abroad to deskwarm for less than a week and then be given our remaining vacation. This is incredibly stupid. Even if I wanted to stay in this school, that would have been to deal breaker there. There is no reason at all that they have to follow the contract so closely. Some schools have principals or VPs that are a little more forgiving; a little smarter and less anal retentive. A friend had his 24 days off in a row which is how it should be.

No one forced you to sign the contract. The contract said X number of days working. Now at the time you signed, if they said 10 of your working days would involve you coming in, orfering Chinese food and watching Netflix, would you have refused to sign? Would you rather be doing English camp?

As far as flexibility, if you point to the contract and howl about coming in on a Saturday two times a year or staying late a few times, don't complain when you're forced to deskwarm!!!

Mate, how did I know you're going to say "no one forced you to sign the contract"? That's NOT THE POINT!  I think everyone in the school knows the one week the Ss come back is basically a week of nothing, so why make the NET, who has flown to another country and does so only once a year, come back for 4 days to do nothing? Only a complete retard would make the NET return for 4 days and then have the remaining 10 days off.

For the record, I would have ZERO issue with coming in on two weekends during the year. No issue at all because guess what? I'm flexible!

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« Reply #7373 on: February 21, 2018, 01:18:53 PM »
No one forced you to sign the contract. The contract said X number of days working. Now at the time you signed, if they said 10 of your working days would involve you coming in, orfering Chinese food and watching Netflix, would you have refused to sign? Would you rather be doing English camp?

As far as flexibility, if you point to the contract and howl about coming in on a Saturday two times a year or staying late a few times, don't complain when you're forced to deskwarm!!!

if at the time that you signed, they told you that you would be literally the only teacher in the school while all the other teachers were off on vacation - despite the fact that there is actually a category on NEIS allowing you to 'work from home' - would you still have signed the contract?

if they told you that the Korean contract English teachers, who do exactly the same job as you - but at a worse level of performance than you, and who are often less qualified than you - get double the amount of 조튀, double the amount of sick leave, and double the amount of vacation - would you still have signed the contract?

and things like the above are exactly the reason why most people choose to 'nope' out of there after 1-2 years. schools here just have a way of destroying any goodwill the NET might have towards them when they first start out. the entire concept of positive reinforcement just seems to have completely passed south korea by.

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« Reply #7374 on: February 21, 2018, 01:28:52 PM »
Mate, how did I know you're going to say "no one forced you to sign the contract"? That's NOT THE POINT!  I think everyone in the school knows the one week the Ss come back is basically a week of nothing, so why make the NET, who has flown to another country and does so only once a year, come back for 4 days to do nothing?

Because of government regulations. If you use government money and hire employees, and one of those employees gets hurt while not on the job or on vacation, that's an issue for insurance. It's also something that auditors could look at. Then you get the issue of favorable and unequal treatment amongst different NETs. Now some schools don't care and are willing to accept those risks, but you cannot be upset because your school doesn't.

No one forces you to fly every year, that's your choice. It was your choice to leave home. If you don't want to tour the world, don't join the Navy. Don't expect other people to go out of their way just to make the choice you made yourself any easier. Obviously it would be nice if they did, but that is to be appreciated, not expected.

You can't be angry at people for not doing nice "bonus" things. That's an entitled mindset and one that has unreasonable expectations.

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For the record, I would have ZERO issue with coming in on two weekends during the year. No issue at all because guess what? I'm flexible!

That's how I got the time off. Unfortunately, prior to your hiring, the school or district might have had some moron who screamed about the contract and now you're held to the contract. Or maybe you had a chill principal and he let his NET stay at home or whatever, but some other NET complained about it and now he can't do that anymore because it's unfair.

What looks "stupid" or "retarded" to you, might not actually be those things. You can't just look at things from your own point of view.

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« Reply #7375 on: February 21, 2018, 01:29:22 PM »
if at the time that you signed, they told you that you would be literally the only teacher in the school while all the other teachers were off on vacation - despite the fact that there is actually a category on NEIS allowing you to 'work from home' - would you still have signed the contract?

Am I required to attend staff meetings? Do I have to have a teaching certificate? Do I have to pay union dues? Am I part of a collective bargaining agreement?

No? Then why would I give crap. That's like a security guard complaining that they have to come in while the office workers are gone. You're hired for different purposes under different terms. As an outside contract worker they have different procedures for hiring you. The terms of our contract are X number of hours per day. X days per term. Whether someone else is there or not is irrelevant.

It takes a lot for me to start comparing myself to others and whining about how things are unequal. In most cases, they usually aren't and the person whining and moaning isn't considering the entire picture and has an inaccurate view of themselves and who they are. You obviously ask questions and make sure you don't get screwed over, but I'm not about to inadvertently narc someone out for getting a few days at home instead of deskwarming, just because I'm jealous. I'm smarter than that and I have people's back.

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if they told you that the Korean contract English teachers, who do exactly the same job as you - but at a worse level of performance than you, and who are often less qualified than you - get double the amount of 조튀, double the amount of sick leave, and double the amount of vacation - would you still have signed the contract?

Do they get a rent stipend/furnished apartment? Are they under the same salary system? Do they have to attend staff meetings?

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and things like the above are exactly the reason why most people choose to 'nope' out of there after 1-2 years. schools here just have a way of destroying any goodwill the NET might have towards them when they first start out. the entire concept of positive reinforcement just seems to have completely passed south korea by.

Sounds to me like you have a pretty selfish and incomplete view of things. The fact that you can only see things in one direction is probably why you've had such a negative experience. It's not my fault that when you made this argument you didn't even stop to consider the obligations they have which you do not. Sounds like more than a few concepts passed you by as well.
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« Reply #7376 on: February 21, 2018, 01:36:11 PM »
The fact that you can only see things in one direction

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Classic pot Martin calling Kettle black again

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« Reply #7377 on: February 21, 2018, 01:38:23 PM »
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Classic pot Martin calling Kettle black again

Whatever, I know their view and I've had the same thoughts myself at one point in my life. Took a few years away from Koreans and some maturing in my own life to get a more balanced perspective on things.

I used to be a lot more on the worker's view of things. Then one day I was made general manager. Then everything changed.

I used to think cops were pigs. Then one day I was put on the closing shift and carried out the cash deposit.

Things change. Your view expands.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7378 on: February 21, 2018, 01:49:08 PM »
Steels has totally derailed the ranting thread.

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« Reply #7379 on: February 21, 2018, 01:57:12 PM »
Steelrails.

My co-workers were horrified that I said I am not only leaving this school, but Korea in the near future. If that horror was in the slightest bit genuine, you would think that they would have my best interest at heart by being just a tiny bit flexible in allowing me to have my full 24 days off and to not have to come in for 4 useless days. This is not a feeling of entitlement. This is just showing the tiniest fraction of goodwill.

You've used government regulations as the reason why I had to return for 4 days. These regulations didn't seem to affect a friend who had 24 days off in a row.  They didn't seem to be in effect when I was here on a previous sojourn, and my school even tagged on spring vacation onto my holidays so I'd get a month off. My point is, that is a weak argument given that other schools don't make their teachers come back and split their vacation.

My take on it is this; ignorance. Most Koreans have never been in our situations, and, as a result, have no idea what it's like to be abroad for any length of time. ( I know: no one is forcing me to be abroad - I beat you to it, sorry) They are ignorant at my school. Pure and simple. They don't have the necessary mental facullties say to themselves: "Oh,  Mr CJ only gets to see his family once a year, maybe he doesn't need to come in and desk warm for 4 days. Let let him have his full 24 days off as that's the right thing to do. Perhaps he'll stay as he's OK."