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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7120 on: October 16, 2017, 07:41:15 AM »
literally all of the subject teachers at all of the schools i worked at gave out occasional rewards. why would any homeroom teacher care? some of them even asked if they can have some, too

also, i'm from the uk and teachers would always drink tea//coffee during class. a lot would even have their own mini kettles (like many homeroom teachers do in korea)

Absolutely harmless.  Protocol for some things, teachers drinking tea during class, no.  What about my students who have their bottles of water with a brown rice green tea bag in it, on their desk?  Same/Same and again harmless. 

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« Reply #7121 on: October 16, 2017, 07:45:23 AM »
Teachers around the world, for centuries, have been doing this. It's part of being a teacher.
What country are you from?

In public schools in the U.S., there are either district-wide policies or they leave it to each school to draft an appropriate policy regarding beverages and snacks.

You can't just eat and drink what you want during class.

Yeah, I don't know what part of the states you're from but from my 13 years (including K) attending public schools there and even during my 4 years of university teachers often drank tea, coffee, water when they felt like it. It's perfectly normal/acceptable and no one cares. Not the teachers, not the principals, and not the students.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7122 on: October 16, 2017, 07:58:32 AM »
Teachers around the world, for centuries, have been doing this. It's part of being a teacher.
What country are you from?

In public schools in the U.S., there are either district-wide policies or they leave it to each school to draft an appropriate policy regarding beverages and snacks.

You can't just eat and drink what you want during class.

Yeah, I don't know what part of the states you're from but from my 13 years (including K) attending public schools there and even during my 4 years of university teachers often drank tea, coffee, water when they felt like it. It's perfectly normal/acceptable and no one cares. Not the teachers, not the principals, and not the students.
PNW.

Students spill.  Things get damaged.  Moreover, some smuggle alcohol into their drinks, which is one of the many reasons districts and schools have adopted comprehensive policies to address these problems with snacks and beverages during class time.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7123 on: October 16, 2017, 08:32:45 AM »
PNW, even if not used in acronym form is making a lot of assumptions.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7124 on: October 16, 2017, 08:44:19 AM »
i sometimes think pecan lives in a parallel universe

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7125 on: October 16, 2017, 08:55:21 AM »
i sometimes think pecan lives in a parallel universe.
Waygook user Pecan now has a theme song!

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7126 on: October 16, 2017, 08:55:41 AM »
PNW, even if not used in acronym form is making a lot of assumptions.
Huh?

Traversing asked, "what part of the states" and I simply answered.

I don't follow what you mean by the above.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7127 on: October 16, 2017, 09:31:17 AM »
Right. So about a month ago but VP got a bee in his bonnet about co-teaching styles and wanted the homeroom teachers to do more co-teaching with me, which I thought was great and I jumped into it. BUT with one teacher my job is now relegated to standing in the back of the class trying desperately hard to listen to all the Korean being spoken so that I can answer the one question that gets thrown at me. The extent of my English use in that class has been whittled down to "sounds good" or "no problem", or whatever phrase is the main expression.

To all other NETs, I now completely understand why so many Korean teachers in our English classes zone out. Trust me, they aren't being difficult, there is just nothing engaging them.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7128 on: October 16, 2017, 11:27:48 AM »
Teachers around the world, for centuries, have been doing this. It's part of being a teacher.
What country are you from?

In public schools in the U.S., there are either district-wide policies or they leave it to each school to draft an appropriate policy regarding beverages and snacks.

You can't just eat and drink what you want during class.

Yeah, I don't know what part of the states you're from but from my 13 years (including K) attending public schools there and even during my 4 years of university teachers often drank tea, coffee, water when they felt like it. It's perfectly normal/acceptable and no one cares. Not the teachers, not the principals, and not the students.
PNW.

Students spill.  Things get damaged.  Moreover, some smuggle alcohol into their drinks, which is one of the many reasons districts and schools have adopted comprehensive policies to address these problems with snacks and beverages during class time.

I'm also PNW. Oregonian to be exact.  :undecided: maybe your district was just strict. Students spill, but students shouldn't be messing around a teachers desk in order to spill a teachers drink. If a teacher is going to drink alcohol during class time they will whether you ban drinks while teaching or not (there are always break times, etc), so that's not a very effective deterrent. In elementary school my homeroom teachers were with us all day unless we were advanced enough with math and went to the local middle school for it. Or during PE, or the month of music we got a year.

Sure students aren't allowed to have drinks besides a waterbottle, but teachers are generally fine.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7129 on: October 16, 2017, 12:29:36 PM »
Teachers around the world, for centuries, have been doing this. It's part of being a teacher.
What country are you from?

In public schools in the U.S., there are either district-wide policies or they leave it to each school to draft an appropriate policy regarding beverages and snacks.

You can't just eat and drink what you want during class.

Yeah, I don't know what part of the states you're from but from my 13 years (including K) attending public schools there and even during my 4 years of university teachers often drank tea, coffee, water when they felt like it. It's perfectly normal/acceptable and no one cares. Not the teachers, not the principals, and not the students.
PNW.

Students spill.  Things get damaged.  Moreover, some smuggle alcohol into their drinks, which is one of the many reasons districts and schools have adopted comprehensive policies to address these problems with snacks and beverages during class time.

I'm also PNW. Oregonian to be exact.  :undecided: maybe your district was just strict. Students spill, but students shouldn't be messing around a teachers desk in order to spill a teachers drink. If a teacher is going to drink alcohol during class time they will whether you ban drinks while teaching or not (there are always break times, etc), so that's not a very effective deterrent. In elementary school my homeroom teachers were with us all day unless we were advanced enough with math and went to the local middle school for it. Or during PE, or the month of music we got a year.

Sure students aren't allowed to have drinks besides a waterbottle, but teachers are generally fine.
Not sure if you are trying to be funny or what, but I was talking about students drinking alcohol, not teachers, which is why beverages, like Coke/Pepsi are not allowed during class.

Again, snacks weren't permitted either due to the potential mess and the distraction that they cause to other students.

Do you follow?

If you permit food, what food would you allow?  All food? Smelly food?  Crunchy/Loud food? Durian? Kimchi?

Do you see the issue and why schools and districts make these rules?

As for teachers, sure, you could make the "argument" that the rules do NOT apply to the faculty and staff, but my point and what typically happens is we LEAD BY EXAMPLE.

Not sure why of all people this is a tough one for "teachers" to grasp, but making rules and exempting teachers from them doesn't end well...

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You usually find some alienation between the teachers and the children and the teachers become negative.

The quickest way to improve this situation is for the teacher to model professional behavior. Then you can see who is following you and you can challenge and support those who are not.

Teachers have to be examples to the whole school community:
− the adults in the school
− the children
− the wider community, especially the children’s parents

Leading by example is particularly effective and important to:
− improve pupil behavior
− improve professional behavior
− promote the importance of teaching and learning
− demonstrate what high standards are

Many schools in Korea don't lead by example, nor do they have a written set of rules addressing food and beverages.  The NETs have to figure things out as the year goes along.

Don't listen to your principal and vice principal at your own peril.

It doesn't impact my life in the least :)

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7130 on: October 16, 2017, 12:34:09 PM »
Teachers around the world, for centuries, have been doing this. It's part of being a teacher.
What country are you from?

In public schools in the U.S., there are either district-wide policies or they leave it to each school to draft an appropriate policy regarding beverages and snacks.

You can't just eat and drink what you want during class.

Yeah, I don't know what part of the states you're from but from my 13 years (including K) attending public schools there and even during my 4 years of university teachers often drank tea, coffee, water when they felt like it. It's perfectly normal/acceptable and no one cares. Not the teachers, not the principals, and not the students.
PNW.

Students spill.  Things get damaged.  Moreover, some smuggle alcohol into their drinks, which is one of the many reasons districts and schools have adopted comprehensive policies to address these problems with snacks and beverages during class time.

I'm also PNW. Oregonian to be exact.  :undecided: maybe your district was just strict. Students spill, but students shouldn't be messing around a teachers desk in order to spill a teachers drink. If a teacher is going to drink alcohol during class time they will whether you ban drinks while teaching or not (there are always break times, etc), so that's not a very effective deterrent. In elementary school my homeroom teachers were with us all day unless we were advanced enough with math and went to the local middle school for it. Or during PE, or the month of music we got a year.

Sure students aren't allowed to have drinks besides a waterbottle, but teachers are generally fine.

Dang my school district even went as far as to ban backpacks from classrooms when I was in grade 7 but we could still have water bottles as long as they were clear plastic and it wasn't a test day. Teachers could drink whatever whenever. Pretty sure if my teachers couldn't have coffee we would have driven them insane. But I most definitely had friends who smuggled straight vodka in as water. I wasn't about to be drunk in class but it made for an interesting mock trial in our law class...

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7131 on: October 16, 2017, 12:38:11 PM »
Thank you kriztee.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7132 on: October 17, 2017, 12:29:58 PM »
I drink tea and coffee during my classes all the time. I even offer some to my coTs.

Never heard a word about it. I admit I'd get miffed if I did because wtf.

I was told not to drink coffee in front of the kids. Like, WTF. Teachers around the world, for centuries, have been doing this. It's part of being a teacher.

Seriously, that's like telling The Simpsons writers to kill off Homer Simpson.

We can live without Maggie.

But not Homer.

It's a teacher's rite.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7133 on: October 17, 2017, 12:33:13 PM »
I drink tea and coffee during my classes all the time. I even offer some to my coTs.

Never heard a word about it. I admit I'd get miffed if I did because wtf.

I was told not to drink coffee in front of the kids. Like, WTF. Teachers around the world, for centuries, have been doing this. It's part of being a teacher.

Seriously, that's like telling The Simpsons writers to kill off Homer Simpson.

We can live without Maggie.

But not Homer.

It's a teacher's rite.

I'm trying to tell if your use of 'rite' was intentional or not.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7134 on: October 17, 2017, 12:50:27 PM »
It's a teacher's rite.

I'm trying to tell if your use of 'rite' was intentional or not.

Well, she did 'spring' it on you.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7135 on: October 17, 2017, 03:28:43 PM »
Teachers around the world, for centuries, have been doing this. It's part of being a teacher.
What country are you from?

In public schools in the U.S., there are either district-wide policies or they leave it to each school to draft an appropriate policy regarding beverages and snacks.

You can't just eat and drink what you want during class.

Yeah, I don't know what part of the states you're from but from my 13 years (including K) attending public schools there and even during my 4 years of university teachers often drank tea, coffee, water when they felt like it. It's perfectly normal/acceptable and no one cares. Not the teachers, not the principals, and not the students.
PNW.

Students spill.  Things get damaged.  Moreover, some smuggle alcohol into their drinks, which is one of the many reasons districts and schools have adopted comprehensive policies to address these problems with snacks and beverages during class time.

I'm also PNW. Oregonian to be exact.  :undecided: maybe your district was just strict. Students spill, but students shouldn't be messing around a teachers desk in order to spill a teachers drink. If a teacher is going to drink alcohol during class time they will whether you ban drinks while teaching or not (there are always break times, etc), so that's not a very effective deterrent. In elementary school my homeroom teachers were with us all day unless we were advanced enough with math and went to the local middle school for it. Or during PE, or the month of music we got a year.

Sure students aren't allowed to have drinks besides a waterbottle, but teachers are generally fine.
Washington here, and our area the same. I always had a waterbottle all the way from 4th grade until university, no issues, and all teachers had coffee mugs and tumblers.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7136 on: October 18, 2017, 07:16:25 AM »
Teachers around the world, for centuries, have been doing this. It's part of being a teacher.
What country are you from?

In public schools in the U.S., there are either district-wide policies or they leave it to each school to draft an appropriate policy regarding beverages and snacks.

You can't just eat and drink what you want during class.

Yeah, I don't know what part of the states you're from but from my 13 years (including K) attending public schools there and even during my 4 years of university teachers often drank tea, coffee, water when they felt like it. It's perfectly normal/acceptable and no one cares. Not the teachers, not the principals, and not the students.
PNW.

Students spill.  Things get damaged.  Moreover, some smuggle alcohol into their drinks, which is one of the many reasons districts and schools have adopted comprehensive policies to address these problems with snacks and beverages during class time.

I'm also PNW. Oregonian to be exact.  :undecided: maybe your district was just strict. Students spill, but students shouldn't be messing around a teachers desk in order to spill a teachers drink. If a teacher is going to drink alcohol during class time they will whether you ban drinks while teaching or not (there are always break times, etc), so that's not a very effective deterrent. In elementary school my homeroom teachers were with us all day unless we were advanced enough with math and went to the local middle school for it. Or during PE, or the month of music we got a year.

Sure students aren't allowed to have drinks besides a waterbottle, but teachers are generally fine.

Dang my school district even went as far as to ban backpacks from classrooms when I was in grade 7 but we could still have water bottles as long as they were clear plastic and it wasn't a test day. Teachers could drink whatever whenever. Pretty sure if my teachers couldn't have coffee we would have driven them insane. But I most definitely had friends who smuggled straight vodka in as water. I wasn't about to be drunk in class but it made for an interesting mock trial in our law class...

My middle school tried to ban backpacks in the classroom and a bunch of kids had a sit-in about it. I don't know how much the backpack ban was enforced. I usually kept mine in my locker anyways. We didn't have any rules on what kind of water bottle we could have, just as long as it wouldn't spill.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7137 on: October 18, 2017, 07:25:22 AM »
Teachers around the world, for centuries, have been doing this. It's part of being a teacher.
What country are you from?

In public schools in the U.S., there are either district-wide policies or they leave it to each school to draft an appropriate policy regarding beverages and snacks.

You can't just eat and drink what you want during class.

Yeah, I don't know what part of the states you're from but from my 13 years (including K) attending public schools there and even during my 4 years of university teachers often drank tea, coffee, water when they felt like it. It's perfectly normal/acceptable and no one cares. Not the teachers, not the principals, and not the students.
PNW.

Students spill.  Things get damaged.  Moreover, some smuggle alcohol into their drinks, which is one of the many reasons districts and schools have adopted comprehensive policies to address these problems with snacks and beverages during class time.

I'm also PNW. Oregonian to be exact.  :undecided: maybe your district was just strict. Students spill, but students shouldn't be messing around a teachers desk in order to spill a teachers drink. If a teacher is going to drink alcohol during class time they will whether you ban drinks while teaching or not (there are always break times, etc), so that's not a very effective deterrent. In elementary school my homeroom teachers were with us all day unless we were advanced enough with math and went to the local middle school for it. Or during PE, or the month of music we got a year.

Sure students aren't allowed to have drinks besides a waterbottle, but teachers are generally fine.
Not sure if you are trying to be funny or what, but I was talking about students drinking alcohol, not teachers, which is why beverages, like Coke/Pepsi are not allowed during class.

Again, snacks weren't permitted either due to the potential mess and the distraction that they cause to other students.

Do you follow?

If you permit food, what food would you allow?  All food? Smelly food?  Crunchy/Loud food? Durian? Kimchi?

Do you see the issue and why schools and districts make these rules?

As for teachers, sure, you could make the "argument" that the rules do NOT apply to the faculty and staff, but my point and what typically happens is we LEAD BY EXAMPLE.

Not sure why of all people this is a tough one for "teachers" to grasp, but making rules and exempting teachers from them doesn't end well...

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Schools experiencing difficulty:
You usually find some alienation between the teachers and the children and the teachers become negative.

The quickest way to improve this situation is for the teacher to model professional behavior. Then you can see who is following you and you can challenge and support those who are not.

Teachers have to be examples to the whole school community:
− the adults in the school
− the children
− the wider community, especially the children’s parents

Leading by example is particularly effective and important to:
− improve pupil behavior
− improve professional behavior
− promote the importance of teaching and learning
− demonstrate what high standards are

Many schools in Korea don't lead by example, nor do they have a written set of rules addressing food and beverages.  The NETs have to figure things out as the year goes along.

Don't listen to your principal and vice principal at your own peril.

It doesn't impact my life in the least :)

I wasn't being funny because we were specifically talking about teachers having drinks not students. You randomly brought up teachers ;P Do you follow?

No one was talking about snacks. This conversation is about drinks. Do you follow? Of course eating in class by both teachers and students isn't and shouldn't be allowed. So I don't know why you are talking about that like it's relevant. Do you follow?

Students will also sneak alcohol and drugs if they really want to whether you ban them in class or not. They keep things in their lockers or bags and partake when they get the chance. You aren't under the teachers eye 24/7. Do you follow?

Students aren't going to act better or worse because their teachers drink coffee or tea, do you follow? You can still be a leader and a good example if you drink coffee or tea during class time. It's perfectly normal and since teachers are with their students for so long it's pretty much expected. No one is going "that teacher isn't a good leader and is setting a bad example because they're drinking coffee!" You follow?  :wink:

All teachers here occasionally have coffee or tea in class, because they're busy and tired. The principal and vice principal here don't have a problem with it.

By the way Pecan feel free to respond, I know it'll be the same "I'm right. blah blah blah" stuff you tend to spout no matter what anyone says. So I won't be reading it. I don't go on here much any more anyways :P
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7138 on: October 18, 2017, 07:42:29 AM »
So just to tack onto the having drinks in a classroom. I always have a water bottle and a flask of coffee, here and  back home. Students were allowed to have a beverage in the classroom too. Staying hydrated is a very important component of cognitive function. I also allow students to go to the loo when it is needed and students (back home) are permitted certain snacks due to some having specific medical conditions, and so if allowed for one, it has to be allowed for all. It's school not a juvenile detention centre.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #7139 on: October 18, 2017, 08:08:01 AM »
Not sure why there is so much confusion regarding snacks and beverages.

If your school or school district allows them, it's a nonissue, is it not?

However, since most Korean schools don't have an established written policy regarding snacks and beverages in the classroom, it wouldn't be a bad idea to find out what the principal, vice principal, head teacher, etc. expect from you to be able to avoid the situation that the OP of this issue found himself in during his open-class...

or not ;)

 



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