September 24, 2018, 06:12:26 PM


The 2018 Korea TESOL International Conference: Focus on Fluency
Meet new people. Learn new things. Become a better teacher! Join us October 13 & 14 for the 26th annual Korea TESOL International Conference at Sookmyung Women's University, Seoul.
koreatesol.org/ic2018

Author Topic: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0  (Read 1097350 times)

Offline koreakorea

  • Veteran
  • **
  • Posts: 102
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6980 on: September 26, 2017, 02:13:15 PM »
Quote
Waygook.org user...

#basedcowboyshirt,

Please stop.  Just stop.


Offline yirj17

  • The Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 2782
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6981 on: September 26, 2017, 02:17:42 PM »
I can't understand people who engage in stalker behavior. If someone doesn't want to talk to you, nothing is going to change by going full crazy on them. In fact it'll only make things worse.

Not to make this about Korea in general, because stalkers happen anywhere... but it sure does seem to happen a lot here.

Honestly I think there has to be some kind of mental imbalance with a touch of narcissism.  The entitlement stalkers feel at "deserving/owning" their prey's attention.  Any sane person might feel a bit stung at rejection but move on instead of obsessing. 

There was a weirdo I met my first year in college.  I thought he was just being friendly; he started chatting to me on FB then asked where I lived.  I thought that was a little odd but figured I was just being paranoid, like maybe he was just making conversation, right?  So I vaguely said "off campus."  And returned the question in kind.  He was similarly vague but then kept pressing further.  He kept pushing for specifics after I told him the main street so that's when I got uncomfortable and ended up deleting him when he started getting weird.  Then the next day at work our boss casually confronted me with, "so I heard you deleted [creeper] off FB."  Ironically, I didn't want to come off sounding crazy so I didn't tell her why that was.  After I got to know her, she was definitely the type who would have had a word with him about inappropriate behavior and boundaries.  Didn't know it at the time though.  Thankfully he never bothered me again; I do think he was probably harmless but clueless about understanding boundaries and maybe even social norms. 

Then there was creepy-married-with-a-kid-Korean-stalker-dude when I first moved here.  I feel sorry for anyone who has to suffer his attention. 

Offline jddavis7

  • Super Waygook
  • ***
  • Posts: 412
  • Gender: Female
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6982 on: September 27, 2017, 07:36:52 AM »
I have the worst computer at my main school. The mouse doesn't work half the time. The Internet cuts off if you touch the Ethernet in any way. Hard to keep my head into lesson planning with only a trackpad and shotty Internet.

Offline sbk

  • Adventurer
  • *
  • Posts: 55
  • Gender: Male
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6983 on: September 27, 2017, 09:51:59 AM »
I can't seem to find a way to post a comment on Waygook from my cell phone. Is it possible? Am i missing something or can it only be done from a computer?

Online JNM

  • The Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 3341
  • Gender: Male
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6984 on: September 27, 2017, 10:22:18 AM »
I can't seem to find a way to post a comment on Waygook from my cell phone. Is it possible? Am i missing something or can it only be done from a computer?

You need to be in a Forum.

The button is just above the list of posts, on the right.

Offline StillInKorea

  • Expert Waygook
  • ****
  • Posts: 803
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6985 on: September 27, 2017, 11:19:41 AM »
I used to like playing games with my students because it took up so much time, but these kids are such sore losers I don't enjoy it anymore.

If they lose, they become so demanding like it's their right to win. They scream for another round or to get a prize anyway. They whine like they're dying. My CT is nice enough to usually award the top 5 spots in a game, staggering the prizes (1st place gets 3 stickers - 5th place gets 1 sticker) and they still have the nerve to complain and demand more stickers.

I know they are just kids, but I hate to watch them getting away with this behavior. There will be another game next class and another after that. This is the only time in life they will ever be awarded for 5th place, but they are so ungrateful. They need to be taught to say thank you and try again next time. Again, I know they are children but I just don't like seeing this behavior unchecked. It's so entitled.

They're training to become Korea's SJW generation.

Offline jddavis7

  • Super Waygook
  • ***
  • Posts: 412
  • Gender: Female
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6986 on: September 27, 2017, 11:26:23 AM »
I used to like playing games with my students because it took up so much time, but these kids are such sore losers I don't enjoy it anymore.

If they lose, they become so demanding like it's their right to win. They scream for another round or to get a prize anyway. They whine like they're dying. My CT is nice enough to usually award the top 5 spots in a game, staggering the prizes (1st place gets 3 stickers - 5th place gets 1 sticker) and they still have the nerve to complain and demand more stickers.

I know they are just kids, but I hate to watch them getting away with this behavior. There will be another game next class and another after that. This is the only time in life they will ever be awarded for 5th place, but they are so ungrateful. They need to be taught to say thank you and try again next time. Again, I know they are children but I just don't like seeing this behavior unchecked. It's so entitled.

They're training to become Korea's SJW generation.

Pls take your agenda elsewhere. They're freakin' children.

Offline StillInKorea

  • Expert Waygook
  • ****
  • Posts: 803
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6987 on: September 27, 2017, 11:29:11 AM »
I used to like playing games with my students because it took up so much time, but these kids are such sore losers I don't enjoy it anymore.

If they lose, they become so demanding like it's their right to win. They scream for another round or to get a prize anyway. They whine like they're dying. My CT is nice enough to usually award the top 5 spots in a game, staggering the prizes (1st place gets 3 stickers - 5th place gets 1 sticker) and they still have the nerve to complain and demand more stickers.

I know they are just kids, but I hate to watch them getting away with this behavior. There will be another game next class and another after that. This is the only time in life they will ever be awarded for 5th place, but they are so ungrateful. They need to be taught to say thank you and try again next time. Again, I know they are children but I just don't like seeing this behavior unchecked. It's so entitled.

They're training to become Korea's SJW generation.

Pls take your agenda elsewhere. They're freakin' children.

Children being taught the same negative behaviours that led to America's 20-somethings becoming the disaster they are.

Offline sbk

  • Adventurer
  • *
  • Posts: 55
  • Gender: Male
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6988 on: September 27, 2017, 11:29:50 AM »
I can't seem to find a way to post a comment on Waygook from my cell phone. Is it possible? Am i missing something or can it only be done from a computer?

You need to be in a Forum.

The button is just above the list of posts, on the right.


Thank you for that. Actually, i could only see that button after i logged out and back in again. So now i can comment from my phone. Problem fixed.  ;D

Offline jddavis7

  • Super Waygook
  • ***
  • Posts: 412
  • Gender: Female
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6989 on: September 27, 2017, 11:35:06 AM »
I used to like playing games with my students because it took up so much time, but these kids are such sore losers I don't enjoy it anymore.

If they lose, they become so demanding like it's their right to win. They scream for another round or to get a prize anyway. They whine like they're dying. My CT is nice enough to usually award the top 5 spots in a game, staggering the prizes (1st place gets 3 stickers - 5th place gets 1 sticker) and they still have the nerve to complain and demand more stickers.

I know they are just kids, but I hate to watch them getting away with this behavior. There will be another game next class and another after that. This is the only time in life they will ever be awarded for 5th place, but they are so ungrateful. They need to be taught to say thank you and try again next time. Again, I know they are children but I just don't like seeing this behavior unchecked. It's so entitled.

They're training to become Korea's SJW generation.

Pls take your agenda elsewhere. They're freakin' children.

Children being taught the same negative behaviours that led to America's 20-somethings becoming the disaster they are.

Pls take your agenda elsewhere. They're children. Stop trying to make some kind of statement.

Offline CJ

  • Super Waygook
  • ***
  • Posts: 465
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6990 on: September 27, 2017, 11:57:03 AM »
I used to like playing games with my students because it took up so much time, but these kids are such sore losers I don't enjoy it anymore.

If they lose, they become so demanding like it's their right to win. They scream for another round or to get a prize anyway. They whine like they're dying. My CT is nice enough to usually award the top 5 spots in a game, staggering the prizes (1st place gets 3 stickers - 5th place gets 1 sticker) and they still have the nerve to complain and demand more stickers.

I know they are just kids, but I hate to watch them getting away with this behavior. There will be another game next class and another after that. This is the only time in life they will ever be awarded for 5th place, but they are so ungrateful. They need to be taught to say thank you and try again next time. Again, I know they are children but I just don't like seeing this behavior unchecked. It's so entitled.

They're training to become Korea's SJW generation.

Pls take your agenda elsewhere. They're freakin' children.

Children being taught the same negative behaviours that led to America's 20-somethings becoming the disaster they are.

YAWN. So preoccupied with pushing an agenda you aren't even trying to make sense.

 This has nothing to do with your SJW obsession. The notions of winning/losing gracefully and not being a sore loser were DRILLED into the heads of most American children. Losing gracefully just does not seem to be a thing here as all of my CTs have allowed students to show out after losing and when I bring up that maybe we should tell them to stop, they look at me like I'm freaking Agetha Trunchbull.

I'm all for not making children feel bad and letting them all get a chance to shine, but they need to learn some damn manners. Begging for stickers/candy is rude and ungrateful.

Yeah, it makes things kind of difficult in the classroom. One tries to make things interesting by playing a game, but it often ends up in tears. It's lose-lose. I could say they are coddled from birth which might explain their brattish behaviour, but that would just end up in yet another argument with the regulars.

I was forced to teach at two elementary schools this year even though my main school is a high school. The high school kids don't seem that different to the elem kids apart from the crying

Offline jddavis7

  • Super Waygook
  • ***
  • Posts: 412
  • Gender: Female
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6991 on: September 27, 2017, 12:02:31 PM »
I used to like playing games with my students because it took up so much time, but these kids are such sore losers I don't enjoy it anymore.

If they lose, they become so demanding like it's their right to win. They scream for another round or to get a prize anyway. They whine like they're dying. My CT is nice enough to usually award the top 5 spots in a game, staggering the prizes (1st place gets 3 stickers - 5th place gets 1 sticker) and they still have the nerve to complain and demand more stickers.

I know they are just kids, but I hate to watch them getting away with this behavior. There will be another game next class and another after that. This is the only time in life they will ever be awarded for 5th place, but they are so ungrateful. They need to be taught to say thank you and try again next time. Again, I know they are children but I just don't like seeing this behavior unchecked. It's so entitled.

They're training to become Korea's SJW generation.

Pls take your agenda elsewhere. They're freakin' children.

Children being taught the same negative behaviours that led to America's 20-somethings becoming the disaster they are.

YAWN. So preoccupied with pushing an agenda you aren't even trying to make sense.

 This has nothing to do with your SJW obsession. The notions of winning/losing gracefully and not being a sore loser were DRILLED into the heads of most American children. Losing gracefully just does not seem to be a thing here as all of my CTs have allowed students to show out after losing and when I bring up that maybe we should tell them to stop, they look at me like I'm freaking Agetha Trunchbull.

I'm all for not making children feel bad and letting them all get a chance to shine, but they need to learn some damn manners. Begging for stickers/candy is rude and ungrateful.

Yeah, it makes things kind of difficult in the classroom. One tries to make things interesting by playing a game, but it often ends up in tears. It's lose-lose. I could say they are coddled from birth which might explain their brattish behaviour, but that would just end up in yet another argument with the regulars.

I was forced to teach at two elementary schools this year even though my main school is a high school. The high school kids don't seem that different to the elem kids apart from the crying

I think this comes down to the school environment. I don't have any of these issues when I play game. The winner gets candy, the losers don't get anything. The end. If they say "teacher, again!" I say no and we move on.

Maybe the kids have come to always expect a prize? At my schools, I give candy infrequently, so sometimes when they play a game, they get candy and sometimes they don't. They've come to accept that they may not receive a prize, so winning a game doesn't get so life or death.

Offline jddavis7

  • Super Waygook
  • ***
  • Posts: 412
  • Gender: Female
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6992 on: September 27, 2017, 12:14:38 PM »
I guess I'm just speaking in particular for my students but it's not even the crying that gets me.

My students rarely cry, but when they do, I understand. A lot of the time they cry because they feel embarrassed or because they let their team down. A lot of kids also say mean shit during games and make others feel bad for screwing up. I can also tell they don't want to cry. Sometimes they do it quietly so no one notices. It can be annoying but I don't think that it's from poor parenting (for my students at least)

However my students get ANGRY when they don't win. They push their desks, yell, and slam their books. They show out and try to get attention. They whine and groan and honestly sound like they're in pain. It's ridiculous... and once a few students do it, it catches on and half the class is acting like the world is ending because they didn't win this round of BINGO. There aren't any tears, but they just do it because THEY WANT STICKERS AND THEY WANT THEM NOW.

 If it were up to me, I'd cancel the game until they learned how to play with some manners. But, the K-teachers have different priorities I guess.

Seems the Korean teachers haven't instilled good manners in them. Hopefully, they'll go to a middle school where this attitude is discouraged.

Offline CJ

  • Super Waygook
  • ***
  • Posts: 465
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6993 on: September 27, 2017, 12:22:04 PM »
I guess I'm just speaking in particular for my students but it's not even the crying that gets me.

My students rarely cry, but when they do, I understand. A lot of the time they cry because they feel embarrassed or because they let their team down. A lot of kids also say mean shit during games and make others feel bad for screwing up. I can also tell they don't want to cry. Sometimes they do it quietly so no one notices. It can be annoying but I don't think that it's from poor parenting (for my students at least)

However my students get ANGRY when they don't win. They push their desks, yell, and slam their books. They show out and try to get attention. They whine and groan and honestly sound like they're in pain. It's ridiculous... and once a few students do it, it catches on and half the class is acting like the world is ending because they didn't win this round of BINGO. There aren't any tears, but they just do it because THEY WANT STICKERS AND THEY WANT THEM NOW.

 If it were up to me, I'd cancel the game until they learned how to play with some manners. But, the K-teachers have different priorities I guess.

Seems the Korean teachers haven't instilled good manners in them. Hopefully, they'll go to a middle school where this attitude is discouraged.

Should manners come from home or teachers?

I see shocking manners all of the time with my high school students. Not all of them, though.

It's interesting when you hear about some of the lives of one's students. Dad ran away so mum works as a norebang assistant, student X has to study very hard to support mum as she has no money has no money due to dad running off etc. When you hear some of these stories, it can make one a little more open minded when dealing with bad behaviour.

At least at high school, many teachers don't know how to discipline the students any more now that they can't hit them. The result is they are more and more like Western kids.

Bring back the STICK!!!

Offline StillInKorea

  • Expert Waygook
  • ****
  • Posts: 803
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6994 on: September 27, 2017, 12:25:00 PM »
I used to like playing games with my students because it took up so much time, but these kids are such sore losers I don't enjoy it anymore.

If they lose, they become so demanding like it's their right to win. They scream for another round or to get a prize anyway. They whine like they're dying. My CT is nice enough to usually award the top 5 spots in a game, staggering the prizes (1st place gets 3 stickers - 5th place gets 1 sticker) and they still have the nerve to complain and demand more stickers.

I know they are just kids, but I hate to watch them getting away with this behavior. There will be another game next class and another after that. This is the only time in life they will ever be awarded for 5th place, but they are so ungrateful. They need to be taught to say thank you and try again next time. Again, I know they are children but I just don't like seeing this behavior unchecked. It's so entitled.

They're training to become Korea's SJW generation.

Pls take your agenda elsewhere. They're freakin' children.

Children being taught the same negative behaviours that led to America's 20-somethings becoming the disaster they are.

Pls take your agenda elsewhere. They're children. Stop trying to make some kind of statement.

I'm not blaming the poor innocent children. I'm blaming the adults who are teaching them weak values. Sevenpm talked about how entitled her students are, which reminded me of America's SJWs. They have similar attitudes and I'm worried that Korean kids will turn out that way too.

Offline Maclean

  • Super Waygook
  • ***
  • Posts: 250
  • Gender: Male
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6995 on: September 27, 2017, 12:28:30 PM »
wasn't informed that lunch was an hour early today. I walked into the lunchroom and everything had been cleared up? Nice.

Offline jddavis7

  • Super Waygook
  • ***
  • Posts: 412
  • Gender: Female
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6996 on: September 27, 2017, 12:34:06 PM »
I used to like playing games with my students because it took up so much time, but these kids are such sore losers I don't enjoy it anymore.

If they lose, they become so demanding like it's their right to win. They scream for another round or to get a prize anyway. They whine like they're dying. My CT is nice enough to usually award the top 5 spots in a game, staggering the prizes (1st place gets 3 stickers - 5th place gets 1 sticker) and they still have the nerve to complain and demand more stickers.

I know they are just kids, but I hate to watch them getting away with this behavior. There will be another game next class and another after that. This is the only time in life they will ever be awarded for 5th place, but they are so ungrateful. They need to be taught to say thank you and try again next time. Again, I know they are children but I just don't like seeing this behavior unchecked. It's so entitled.

They're training to become Korea's SJW generation.

Pls take your agenda elsewhere. They're freakin' children.

Children being taught the same negative behaviours that led to America's 20-somethings becoming the disaster they are.

Pls take your agenda elsewhere. They're children. Stop trying to make some kind of statement.

I'm not blaming the poor innocent children. I'm blaming the adults who are teaching them weak values. Sevenpm talked about how entitled her students are, which reminded me of America's SJWs. They have similar attitudes and I'm worried that Korean kids will turn out that way too.

Pls take your agenda elsewhere. You are not worried about the kids at all. You are just trying to push your anti-SJW agenda. Grow up.

Offline StillInKorea

  • Expert Waygook
  • ****
  • Posts: 803
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6997 on: September 27, 2017, 12:36:36 PM »
I used to like playing games with my students because it took up so much time, but these kids are such sore losers I don't enjoy it anymore.

If they lose, they become so demanding like it's their right to win. They scream for another round or to get a prize anyway. They whine like they're dying. My CT is nice enough to usually award the top 5 spots in a game, staggering the prizes (1st place gets 3 stickers - 5th place gets 1 sticker) and they still have the nerve to complain and demand more stickers.

I know they are just kids, but I hate to watch them getting away with this behavior. There will be another game next class and another after that. This is the only time in life they will ever be awarded for 5th place, but they are so ungrateful. They need to be taught to say thank you and try again next time. Again, I know they are children but I just don't like seeing this behavior unchecked. It's so entitled.

They're training to become Korea's SJW generation.

Pls take your agenda elsewhere. They're freakin' children.

Children being taught the same negative behaviours that led to America's 20-somethings becoming the disaster they are.

Pls take your agenda elsewhere. They're children. Stop trying to make some kind of statement.

I'm not blaming the poor innocent children. I'm blaming the adults who are teaching them weak values. Sevenpm talked about how entitled her students are, which reminded me of America's SJWs. They have similar attitudes and I'm worried that Korean kids will turn out that way too.

Pls take your agenda elsewhere. You are not worried about the kids at all. You are just trying to push your anti-SJW agenda. Grow up.

I'm worried for everyone.

Online Chinguetti

  • The Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 2308
  • Gender: Female
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6998 on: September 27, 2017, 12:38:22 PM »
Should manners come from home or teachers?

I see shocking manners all of the time with my high school students. Not all of them, though.

It's interesting when you hear about some of the lives of one's students. Dad ran away so mum works as a norebang assistant, student X has to study very hard to support mum as she has no money has no money due to dad running off etc. When you hear some of these stories, it can make one a little more open minded when dealing with bad behaviour.

At least at high school, many teachers don't know how to discipline the students any more now that they can't hit them. The result is they are more and more like Western kids.

Bring back the STICK!!!

It begins at home, but it's reinforced and practiced outside the home, which comes from societal expectations. Schools must create and enforce rules and guidelines for the purpose of management, and the safety and well-being of other students, but most if not all of these rules are only mirroring generally accepted guidelines for appropriate behavior anyway.

Raising kids is the parents' responsibility, but, when living together in a society, it's also a community effort. It's part of establishing and reinforcing universal etiquette, because kids are still kids and will always try to test boundaries, even when being raised well. That's part of the raising/growing up process, and that's also why disciplinary actions and methods that reinforce accepted behavior and discourage inappropriate behavior are absolutely necessary where kids are involved, regardless of what parents are and aren't doing. It just promotes a better learning environment for both students and teachers, while a failure to establish and enforce boundaries can and does lead to major class management and personality development issues, both of which make everything harder for everyone -- just especially for teachers.
« Last Edit: September 27, 2017, 02:30:13 PM by Chinguetti »

Offline jddavis7

  • Super Waygook
  • ***
  • Posts: 412
  • Gender: Female
Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6999 on: September 27, 2017, 12:39:23 PM »
I used to like playing games with my students because it took up so much time, but these kids are such sore losers I don't enjoy it anymore.

If they lose, they become so demanding like it's their right to win. They scream for another round or to get a prize anyway. They whine like they're dying. My CT is nice enough to usually award the top 5 spots in a game, staggering the prizes (1st place gets 3 stickers - 5th place gets 1 sticker) and they still have the nerve to complain and demand more stickers.

I know they are just kids, but I hate to watch them getting away with this behavior. There will be another game next class and another after that. This is the only time in life they will ever be awarded for 5th place, but they are so ungrateful. They need to be taught to say thank you and try again next time. Again, I know they are children but I just don't like seeing this behavior unchecked. It's so entitled.

They're training to become Korea's SJW generation.

Pls take your agenda elsewhere. They're freakin' children.

Children being taught the same negative behaviours that led to America's 20-somethings becoming the disaster they are.

Pls take your agenda elsewhere. They're children. Stop trying to make some kind of statement.

I'm not blaming the poor innocent children. I'm blaming the adults who are teaching them weak values. Sevenpm talked about how entitled her students are, which reminded me of America's SJWs. They have similar attitudes and I'm worried that Korean kids will turn out that way too.

Pls take your agenda elsewhere. You are not worried about the kids at all. You are just trying to push your anti-SJW agenda. Grow up.

I'm worried for everyone.

You worried that everyone won't believe exactly what you believe and make life comfortable for you. Get over yourself. Stop asking like you're the only voice of logic or reason.