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« Reply #6640 on: September 04, 2017, 02:32:54 PM »
Koreans not slowing down or grading their language are significant contributors to my lack of desire to put any real effort into learning Korean anymore. I was pretty serious about it in the past, but it just got so frustrating not being able to communicate despite putting in the effort to learn. Having beginner-level or low-intermediate-level Korean is scarcely better than having no Korean at all.

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« Reply #6641 on: September 04, 2017, 02:42:35 PM »
I do catch my wife doing the just-nod-along thing every once in a while, but most often she wants to understand and is good about asking questions. She'll also get upset/frustrated when she tries to explain something in English and it turns out later I didn't fully grasp what she said. "Why did you pretend to understand?!" But in those cases I honestly thought I *did* understand, or I was waiting for her to finish so I could piece the story together.

When my wife meets my family, she understands my mum pretty well, as she is careful about how she speaks.  She understands my younger brother the least because he doesn't grade his language and mumbles a bit.  But my older brother and his wife are her favourites, as they live in Berlin with their two sons, so they are aware of how to articulate themselves properly, so that people understand, because they are in the same situation.  But I can understand my wife's problem sometimes as I have two brothers and two sisters with extended family, so a family get together is kind of noisy with lots going on.  If I am in the same situation with my wife's family, I can't do it for any massive length of time. 

On the whole from my experience, younger Korean teachers here who have travelled (not package tours) seem to understand that when they are talking to the native English teacher, they should speak slower and grade their language.  But then the native teacher has to reciprocate that by using simple language back.

I don't know what's worse, English speakers not slowing down for their Korean friends, or not slowing down for poor employees. I've witnessed some friends spew off an insanely specific order to someone at a restaurant while asking questions and not slowing down one bit. It irks me so much. Why do you have to speed through "Yeah, okay I'll get some chicken fries and oh hey like do you still have that like sauce that was like a special like limited thing like a few months back?"
I start screaming on the inside then calmly repeat their order simplified in Korean after.

Also irksome: People who put "like" as every other word while speaking to Koreans. It completely throws them off and it's a garbage filler word o.o

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6642 on: September 04, 2017, 03:16:48 PM »

Also irksome: People who put "like" as every other word while speaking to Koreans. It completely throws them off and it's a garbage filler word o.o

Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion, man.

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« Reply #6643 on: September 04, 2017, 03:25:11 PM »
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion, man.
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« Reply #6644 on: September 04, 2017, 06:37:58 PM »
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion, man.
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« Reply #6645 on: September 04, 2017, 07:27:27 PM »

Koreans not slowing down or grading their language are significant contributors to my lack of desire to put any real effort into learning Korean anymore. I was pretty serious about it in the past, but it just got so frustrating not being able to communicate despite putting in the effort to learn. Having beginner-level or low-intermediate-level Korean is scarcely better than having no Korean at all.


i recently went to china for a trip, and i have a friend who lives there and speaks basic chinese. i was absolutely amazed how everyone made the effort to understand him, and they were able to have a conversation, despite his (self-admittedly) terrible chinese and pronunciation. but people made the effort to understand and be understood, and they were happy to converse.

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« Reply #6646 on: September 04, 2017, 08:02:39 PM »
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« Reply #6648 on: September 04, 2017, 09:55:53 PM »
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion, man.
Beat me to it. hahaha

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« Reply #6649 on: September 05, 2017, 08:12:19 AM »
I'm tired of people pretending like they understand what I'm saying.

I try very hard to speak simply around Korean friends/coworkers but I know sometimes things get lost on them. I can tell easily when they don't understand my most recent sentence but they just continue to nod and make noises as if they understand. Then I go back and ask them if they understood a certain word or phase and they admit that they didn't. Just TELL me so I can explain it in the moment.

I feel like a lot of foreigners here don't realize that their Korean friends don't understand them fully. I've watched people go on and on in English as if the Korean person they're talking to is following them 100% and the Korean person looks totally lost, but doesn't want to say so. The foreigner doesn't seem to care or realize.

I guess it's not that big of a deal in passing, but when I'm explaining something to my CT it's usually for a reason. And it just kind of sucks when you're trying to be friends with someone and you realize a lot of what you say isn't even registering with them.

I have a good friend from another Asian country and when she doesn't understand me, she lets me know (at least some of the time) and we figure out the problem. No this isn't necessary for every interaction but like... in some situations it's really important that you understand each other.

If I really think about it, almost every problem in Korea can be attributed to the pathetic practice of saving face.


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« Reply #6650 on: September 05, 2017, 08:23:50 AM »
The verification question answers for this site are wrong.

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It's hard enough being a human with this nonsense...
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« Reply #6651 on: September 05, 2017, 08:46:15 AM »

Koreans not slowing down or grading their language are significant contributors to my lack of desire to put any real effort into learning Korean anymore. I was pretty serious about it in the past, but it just got so frustrating not being able to communicate despite putting in the effort to learn. Having beginner-level or low-intermediate-level Korean is scarcely better than having no Korean at all.


i recently went to china for a trip, and i have a friend who lives there and speaks basic chinese. i was absolutely amazed how everyone made the effort to understand him, and they were able to have a conversation, despite his (self-admittedly) terrible chinese and pronunciation. but people made the effort to understand and be understood, and they were happy to converse.

this was my experience when I went to China for one vacation. even if people speak absolutely no english at all they'll bust out a translator on their phone and use that. or they're happy to communicate via gestures and pointing.

here in korea you can speak some korean but if you're not almost completely fluent people just get annoyed and don't want to speak to you, and get extremely dismissive.

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« Reply #6652 on: September 05, 2017, 08:49:02 AM »
The verification question answers for this site are wrong.

Are you a robot?

It's hard enough being a human with this nonsense...

yeah the verification questions are ridiculous and make no sense. i had an issue with them too when i first registered.

"can you moo like a cow?"

what is the actual answer to that? yes, i can make a mooing sound with my mouth. so i guess the answer is yes? but i'm not actually a cow so the answer could be no?

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« Reply #6653 on: September 05, 2017, 09:01:57 AM »
The verification question answers for this site are wrong.

Are you a robot?

It's hard enough being a human with this nonsense...

yeah the verification questions are ridiculous and make no sense. i had an issue with them too when i first registered.

"can you moo like a cow?"

what is the actual answer to that? yes, i can make a mooing sound with my mouth. so i guess the answer is yes? but i'm not actually a cow so the answer could be no?

Exactly the questions are too open ended.

How many fingers do you have on a hand? 4? 5? on both hands? 4/5/8/10? Took me like 3 goes to pass that verification. The answer was 10. But what about thumbs? Meh. I'm free now anyway.
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« Reply #6654 on: September 05, 2017, 10:34:55 AM »
My favourite thing is being asked a "What do you call this?" question then the person deciding they don't like your word because it doesn't match the 1500s English word they found on naver so they wander off and use the atrocious naver word instead.

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« Reply #6655 on: September 05, 2017, 11:46:28 AM »
My favourite thing is being asked a "What do you call this?" question then the person deciding they don't like your word because it doesn't match the 1500s English word they found on naver so they wander off and use the atrocious naver word instead.

Oh my goodness, yes.

People will look something up on Naver dictionary or translate, come to you, ask you how to say something, see that it doesn't match, and then either argue with you or just ignore your advice. Also, even people who are near-fluent in English will never, ever use an English dictionary to see what something means. They'll always go throw it into Naver and get some inaccurate nonsense.

I wish I had some hilarious examples to cite, but it's surely happened to me. I can't imagine, for instance, asking a native speaker about a word and then being like WELL GOOGLE TRANSLATE TOLD ME THIS SO I'M NOT SO SURE.  :undecided:

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« Reply #6656 on: September 05, 2017, 11:47:31 AM »
My favourite thing is being asked a "What do you call this?" question then the person deciding they don't like your word because it doesn't match the 1500s English word they found on naver so they wander off and use the atrocious naver word instead.

Or asking to "language exchange" but not accepting any critiques/even arguing with you.

"I feel hard" is not the right way to express that you're having a hard time, that you're tired, or that your task is difficult. But okay, keep on saying it if it means that much to you.

Maybe that's not what he's trying to express... :-[

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« Reply #6657 on: September 05, 2017, 11:49:49 AM »
My favourite thing is being asked a "What do you call this?" question then the person deciding they don't like your word because it doesn't match the 1500s English word they found on naver so they wander off and use the atrocious naver word instead.

Or asking to "language exchange" but not accepting any critiques/even arguing with you.

"I feel hard" is not the right way to express that you're having a hard time, that you're tired, or that your task is difficult. But okay, keep on saying it if it means that much to you.

Maybe that's not what he's trying to express...  :afro:

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« Reply #6658 on: September 05, 2017, 12:02:25 PM »
Online translation tools can be great tools, if they're used together with other tools. That's where a lot of people seem to fall flat.

I'll use google translate for a Korean word if it's something I can't remember how to spell, or something I know I learned before but can't remember now, so I know just seeing the correct word will set off an "A-ha!" in my head.

For stuff I don't know, though, I won't use any translation tool that doesn't provide example sentences and several different options (with their own example sentences). That way I can at least be able to tell if the word I'm using is completely wrong, and I can follow up by asking a coworker if the word I chose is the best choice. It isn't always, but is more often than it'd be if I just busted out the google translate app and used whatever it gave me.

It reminds me of a time I texted a friend to ask what she was up to, and she replied in Spanish (my major): "I'm cleaning my props." She was a circus performer, so she meant her performing props, but google translate gave her a word that meant a prop as in something you use to prop something up. I pointed out that she used the wrong word, but she wasn't having it and argued with me about it. Awkward.

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« Reply #6659 on: September 05, 2017, 12:49:15 PM »
Yeah my female CT is constantly going on about how hard she is while we teach 3rd graders  :rolleyes:

Not sure what that's about...  :sad: