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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4440 on: April 04, 2017, 09:42:00 AM »
What the hell did I start? hahaha
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4441 on: April 04, 2017, 09:50:40 AM »
What the hell did I start? hahaha


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4442 on: April 04, 2017, 10:01:20 AM »
What the hell did I start? hahaha

What didn't you start?

Next time think of the children.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4443 on: April 04, 2017, 10:09:23 AM »
Just got strong-armed into doing something that I don't want to do.

I was able to negotiate a bit and get a little something in return, so it's not a lose-lose situation.

Still pisses me off that I can't just simply say "no" without it turning into a big deal here, though.

This happened to me last week too.
Co-T: "The kindergarten teacher complained you having been showing up to teach Kindergarten."
Me: "Kindergarten isn't a class on my schedule, and you only asked me to introduce myself to that class on my first week."
Co-T: "Yeah, but, the old teacher would do it, and we're not allowed to add it to your schedule..."
Me: "Why aren't you allowed to add it to my schedule?"
Co-T: "Yes. I'll tell the kindergarten teacher that you are going to come every week now. This will be off the records..."
Me: "Uhhh.... What???????"

I tried to fight it a little more, but he still told the kindergarten teacher I'd be doing a kindergarten class once a week. I heard it's illegal for NETs to teach kindergarten, unless it's in an afterschool class AND they agreed to it. That info could be wrong however, I eventually pointed it out, but even still, I don't understand how he thought I agreed to it
though.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4444 on: April 04, 2017, 10:24:46 AM »
Just got strong-armed into doing something that I don't want to do.

I was able to negotiate a bit and get a little something in return, so it's not a lose-lose situation.

Still pisses me off that I can't just simply say "no" without it turning into a big deal here, though.

This happened to me last week too.
Co-T: "The kindergarten teacher complained you having been showing up to teach Kindergarten."
Me: "Kindergarten isn't a class on my schedule, and you only asked me to introduce myself to that class on my first week."
Co-T: "Yeah, but, the old teacher would do it, and we're not allowed to add it to your schedule..."
Me: "Why aren't you allowed to add it to my schedule?"
Co-T: "Yes. I'll tell the kindergarten teacher that you are going to come every week now. This will be off the records..."
Me: "Uhhh.... What???????"

I tried to fight it a little more, but he still told the kindergarten teacher I'd be doing a kindergarten class once a week. I heard it's illegal for NETs to teach kindergarten, unless it's in an afterschool class AND they agreed to it. That info could be wrong however, I eventually pointed it out, but even still, I don't understand how he thought I agreed to it
though.


Are you going to do it though?

That situation would be so awkward. Maybe say politely you are going to ask the office of education about it?

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4445 on: April 04, 2017, 10:34:22 AM »
Co-T: "The kindergarten teacher complained you haven't been showing up to teach Kindergarten."
Me: "Kindergarten isn't a class on my schedule, and you only asked me to introduce myself to that class on my first week."
Co-T: "Yeah, but, the previous NET would do it, and we're not allowed to add it to your schedule..."
Me: "Why aren't you allowed to add it to my schedule?"
Co-T: "Yes. I'll tell the kindergarten teacher that you are going to come every week now. This will be off the records..."
Me: "Uhhh.... What???????"

I tried to fight it a little more, but he still told the kindergarten teacher I'd be doing a kindergarten class once a week. I heard it's illegal for NETs to teach kindergarten, unless it's in an afterschool class AND they agreed to it. That info could be wrong however, I eventually pointed it out, but even still, I don't understand how he thought I agreed to it
though.
The fact that it's "off the record" means that your school darn well knows that theyre not supposed to be doing it. :laugh:

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4446 on: April 04, 2017, 10:42:51 AM »
Just got strong-armed into doing something that I don't want to do.

I was able to negotiate a bit and get a little something in return, so it's not a lose-lose situation.

Still pisses me off that I can't just simply say "no" without it turning into a big deal here, though.

This happened to me last week too.
Co-T: "The kindergarten teacher complained you having been showing up to teach Kindergarten."
Me: "Kindergarten isn't a class on my schedule, and you only asked me to introduce myself to that class on my first week."
Co-T: "Yeah, but, the old teacher would do it, and we're not allowed to add it to your schedule..."
Me: "Why aren't you allowed to add it to my schedule?"
Co-T: "Yes. I'll tell the kindergarten teacher that you are going to come every week now. This will be off the records..."
Me: "Uhhh.... What???????"

I tried to fight it a little more, but he still told the kindergarten teacher I'd be doing a kindergarten class once a week. I heard it's illegal for NETs to teach kindergarten, unless it's in an afterschool class AND they agreed to it. That info could be wrong however, I eventually pointed it out, but even still, I don't understand how he thought I agreed to it
though.


Are you going to do it though?

That situation would be so awkward. Maybe say politely you are going to ask the office of education about it?

I only have 3.5 weeks left before I leave, so I told them, if they prepare everything they want me to do - so I only have to show up, present it, and then leave.
If they aren't willing to prepare anything, then I'm not willing to teach it.
They didn't say yes, or no, to that, so we'll see what happens. :P
However, I'm leaving a note, for if there is a teacher replacing me, letting them know that it is probably illegal, so they have the choice to do it or not.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4447 on: April 04, 2017, 10:43:34 AM »
Say that you were told at orientation and from your co-ordinator that you should never teach kindergarten and you could get in big trouble and get deported etc etc
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4448 on: April 04, 2017, 10:44:01 AM »
Co-T: "The kindergarten teacher complained you haven't been showing up to teach Kindergarten."
Me: "Kindergarten isn't a class on my schedule, and you only asked me to introduce myself to that class on my first week."
Co-T: "Yeah, but, the previous NET would do it, and we're not allowed to add it to your schedule..."
Me: "Why aren't you allowed to add it to my schedule?"
Co-T: "Yes. I'll tell the kindergarten teacher that you are going to come every week now. This will be off the records..."
Me: "Uhhh.... What???????"

I tried to fight it a little more, but he still told the kindergarten teacher I'd be doing a kindergarten class once a week. I heard it's illegal for NETs to teach kindergarten, unless it's in an afterschool class AND they agreed to it. That info could be wrong however, I eventually pointed it out, but even still, I don't understand how he thought I agreed to it
though.
The fact that it's "off the record" means that your school darn well knows that theyre not supposed to be doing it. :laugh:

Lol I thought that too! and only reinforced the info of "it's illegal to do this in Korea."

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4449 on: April 04, 2017, 10:44:44 AM »
What the hell did I start? hahaha

What didn't you start?

Next time think of the children.

Children? That's only if he finished, surely?

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4450 on: April 04, 2017, 11:00:59 AM »
This happened to me last week too.
Co-T: "The kindergarten teacher complained you having been showing up to teach Kindergarten."
Me: "Kindergarten isn't a class on my schedule, and you only asked me to introduce myself to that class on my first week."
Co-T: "Yeah, but, the old teacher would do it, and we're not allowed to add it to your schedule..."
Me: "Why aren't you allowed to add it to my schedule?"
Co-T: "Yes. I'll tell the kindergarten teacher that you are going to come every week now. This will be off the records..."
Me: "Uhhh.... What???????"

I tried to fight it a little more, but he still told the kindergarten teacher I'd be doing a kindergarten class once a week. I heard it's illegal for NETs to teach kindergarten, unless it's in an afterschool class AND they agreed to it. That info could be wrong however, I eventually pointed it out, but even still, I don't understand how he thought I agreed to it
though.

If I was asked nicely to do something like this, I would probably agree. Doing anything is better than deskwarming. However, the kindergarten teacher actually complained, you're obviously expected to do it just because the previous foreign teacher did, and your concerns and feelings were outright ignored.

This is the kind of situation where you would be right to put your foot down. As a teacher of children and a foreign worker on a visa that has to be renewed annually, you should express concern about the consequences of breaking the law. We're always told how as teachers we have to be beacons of virtue. Does that magically not apply when the higher ups suddenly decide that it's convenient for us to break the law on their behalf?

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4451 on: April 04, 2017, 11:31:24 AM »
Pretty sure this was all understood along time ago.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4452 on: April 04, 2017, 11:32:25 AM »
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Seriously... finding someone to bang isn't so hard that you just have to start propositioning randoms who show no interest in you. Desperate people abound just go to any club.

There's a club if you'd like to go
You could meet somebody who really loves you
So you go and you stand on your own
And you leave on your own
And you go home and you cry and you want to die

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« Reply #4453 on: April 04, 2017, 11:38:54 AM »
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Seriously... finding someone to bang isn't so hard that you just have to start propositioning randoms who show no interest in you. Desperate people abound just go to any club.

There's a club if you'd like to go
You could meet somebody who really loves you
So you go and you stand on your own
And you leave on your own
And you go home and you cry and you want to die

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4454 on: April 04, 2017, 11:39:12 AM »
What the hell did I start? hahaha

What didn't you start?

Next time think of the children.

Children? That's only if he finished, surely?

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4455 on: April 04, 2017, 11:46:13 AM »
They didn't say yes, or no, to that, so we'll see what happens. :P
However, I'm leaving a note, for if there is a teacher replacing me, letting them know that it is probably illegal, so they have the choice to do it or not.

These are the types of problems that come with replacing people, especially when they do things that they shouldn't be doing.

I inherited a situation created by the previous foreigner here, which took me more than a year to rectify.

I would love to slap him upside the head, if he were to ever show his face around here again ;)

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« Reply #4456 on: April 04, 2017, 11:50:34 AM »
They didn't say yes, or no, to that, so we'll see what happens. :P
However, I'm leaving a note, for if there is a teacher replacing me, letting them know that it is probably illegal, so they have the choice to do it or not.

These are the types of problems that come with replacing people, especially when they do things that they shouldn't be doing.

I inherited a situation created by the previous foreigner here, which took me more than a year to rectify.

I would love to slap him upside the head, if he were to ever show his face around here again ;)

Yeah totally agree. You need to nip it in the bud now Kayos, even more so because youre leaving. You'll only have to put up with the school being annoyed at you for a few weeks. And it means they have less reason to strong arm the  new teacher into it. I replaced someone who agreed to do TONNES of extra, unpaid work and it was such a struggle to get out of because i just got 'the old teacher did it.' And I know it's nice to think the newbie will be able to say no but, when you're brand new to Korea and someone tells you the previous teacher did it, you feel like you have to. I also got NO support from my office of education. It was really difficult. Put your foot down now, it will make things so much easier for the new teacher!

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« Reply #4457 on: April 04, 2017, 12:00:17 PM »
Absolutely seething after class with my CT from heck. She called me at friggin 8:15 to make sure I was coming into work (even tho I've never been sick at that school) then comes into class 5 minutes before the class starts, decides she doesn't like my game that she's had a week to look over and wants me to change it on 5 minutes notice. I stood my ground and we played it kind of. She proceeds to talk over me in Korean while I'm explaining it"nothing new" and tells the kids something totally different. Anyways they end up playing not really a game after I tried to pull her aside and tell her that her translation was off. We fixed it for the second class. Third and 4th periods went well until she decides to give me advice that we need to do more exciting games that are speaking lessons but we can't have the students talking because they're too loud. "What kind of games do you suggest then?" I said. "games that the students think fun but no speaking because the fat boy too loud in games. so exciting so they listen and no talking because they too loud." is the reply I got.....

Currently still seething.....

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« Reply #4458 on: April 04, 2017, 12:40:31 PM »
Co-T: "The kindergarten teacher complained you haven't been showing up to teach Kindergarten."
Me: "Kindergarten isn't a class on my schedule, and you only asked me to introduce myself to that class on my first week."
Co-T: "Yeah, but, the previous NET would do it, and we're not allowed to add it to your schedule..."
Me: "Why aren't you allowed to add it to my schedule?"
Co-T: "Yes. I'll tell the kindergarten teacher that you are going to come every week now. This will be off the records..."
Me: "Uhhh.... What???????"

I tried to fight it a little more, but he still told the kindergarten teacher I'd be doing a kindergarten class once a week. I heard it's illegal for NETs to teach kindergarten, unless it's in an afterschool class AND they agreed to it. That info could be wrong however, I eventually pointed it out, but even still, I don't understand how he thought I agreed to it
though.
The fact that it's "off the record" means that your school darn well knows that theyre not supposed to be doing it. :laugh:

Lol I thought that too! and only reinforced the info of "it's illegal to do this in Korea."

AFAIK, the issue is that at many (most?) schools, the kindergarten is actually a separate entity from the rest of the school. They might be in a building that's attached to the school, but they're technically not the same employer (perhaps they aren't even under the purview of the local POE, but that's just guesswork on my part). That means that doing work for them in addition to your school counts as working for multiple employers, which is a violation of the terms of your visa.

I was in the same situation once. I actually taught at the Kindy attached to my main school for a full year, but then when I randomly mentioned it at an NET meeting early the following year, my POE liaison was like "Uh... what?", and explained why that's a no-no. My school was resistant at first when I said I had to stop ("What's wrong? Don't you like the children?"), but I insisted.

Sh!tty thing is I actually did like those kids. They were my favorite classes. It was a bummer having to stop teaching them, but it'd have been an even bigger bummer to somehow get on a spiteful person's bad side and be reported for visa violations.
« Last Edit: April 04, 2017, 12:42:07 PM by Mister Tim »

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« Reply #4459 on: April 04, 2017, 12:43:37 PM »
They didn't say yes, or no, to that, so we'll see what happens. :P
However, I'm leaving a note, for if there is a teacher replacing me, letting them know that it is probably illegal, so they have the choice to do it or not.

These are the types of problems that come with replacing people, especially when they do things that they shouldn't be doing.

I inherited a situation created by the previous foreigner here, which took me more than a year to rectify.

I would love to slap him upside the head, if he were to ever show his face around here again ;)

Yeah totally agree. You need to nip it in the bud now Kayos, even more so because youre leaving. You'll only have to put up with the school being annoyed at you for a few weeks. And it means they have less reason to strong arm the  new teacher into it. I replaced someone who agreed to do TONNES of extra, unpaid work and it was such a struggle to get out of because i just got 'the old teacher did it.' And I know it's nice to think the newbie will be able to say no but, when you're brand new to Korea and someone tells you the previous teacher did it, you feel like you have to. I also got NO support from my office of education. It was really difficult. Put your foot down now, it will make things so much easier for the new teacher!

I agree. I'm trying to get out of it the Korean way first - being passive aggressive about it.
I'm hoping that because I basically said: "You do the extra work for it and I'll come and present it" that they won't be willing to do that extra work, so I won't have to do it.
If they still volunteer me to do it, I'll just "forget" on a regular basis and tell them that I don't want, or have, to do it. They are also only my travel school, so there is really nothing that they can do if I refuse.

FYI, I haven't done it yet. When I got told about it / when I questioned them on it, it happened during the period they want me to do it in, but were surprised I hadn't been showing up regularly. I'm pretty much mentally checked out now as well. I still act professional and put hard work into my lessons, but I don't really want to do more than the minimum required of me, meaning - nothing extra outside of my scheduled lessons. :P