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« Reply #4120 on: March 09, 2017, 01:19:51 PM »
Yeah, I know that a lot of teachers hate the principal too, some of them don't say outright, but they all have the same look on their face that Melania Trump must have every time she wakes up to Trump.

Especially my co-teacher, who lived and worked in the states for 10 years, is now just a homeroom teacher. She's not happy, while counting down the days till she changes schools. I'm all for change, but I feel they like a change just for the sake of a change. There never seems to be any logical changes, which i know is a problem everywhere!

Now I look back I miss my first principal, she was a proper battleaxe, but at least she valued English and made sensible decisions.

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« Reply #4121 on: March 09, 2017, 01:31:57 PM »

I agree about the principal thing.  Some have these big unrealistic ideas.  Some are miserable sheets.  I would say that in the majority of schools I worked in if you don't like the principal then the teachers probably don't either.  Some just sit and watch golf in their office until they retire or die, whichever comes first.   

I find this kind of principal to be pretty acceptable. The school is usually more chill as a result. 

This is my principal theory...  8) 8) 8)


Young up and coming principals are usually ok but have grand ideas so teachers might not like them because of this. They feel like a winner because they finally got where they wanted. They buy a Hyundai Grandeur. They may love volleyball and be all about membership training.

 Middle aged (I mean in principal terms...not actually middle aged) and are the WORST because they realize they haven't done anything exciting career wise for years and there isn't really anywhere to go. This is it. All that competitiveness just builds up inside them and they take it out on younger teachers. They can change the mood of a school daily.

Older Principals are the best imho, they leave shit alone and like a like a laugh because they know they can get away with it. They have accepted that it's a lonely job so mostly withdraw to their office and plants.

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« Reply #4122 on: March 09, 2017, 01:52:32 PM »

I agree about the principal thing.  Some have these big unrealistic ideas.  Some are miserable sheets.  I would say that in the majority of schools I worked in if you don't like the principal then the teachers probably don't either.  Some just sit and watch golf in their office until they retire or die, whichever comes first.   

I find this kind of principal to be pretty acceptable. The school is usually more chill as a result. 

This is my principal theory...  8) 8) 8)


Young up and coming principals are usually ok but have grand ideas so teachers might not like them because of this. They feel like a winner because they finally got where they wanted. They buy a Hyundai Grandeur. They may love volleyball and be all about membership training.

 Middle aged (I mean in principal terms...not actually middle aged) and are the WORST because they realize they haven't done anything exciting career wise for years and there isn't really anywhere to go. This is it. All that competitiveness just builds up inside them and they take it out on younger teachers. They can change the mood of a school daily.

Older Principals are the best imho, they leave shit alone and like a like a laugh because they know they can get away with it. They have accepted that it's a lonely job so mostly withdraw to their office and plants.

I had one principal who had this ridiculous vision of our middle school, always talking about our 'brand' and how to promote it.  He spent most of his time outside cleaning the dust off his Equus with one of feather dusters.   :laugh: My dad was principal of a massive college in England and he worked like hell, so when I see principals outside doing stuff like that, I just shake my head.  Use your massive 'experience' to help teachers and give direction.  A principal's job in Korea is effing simple. 

The older ones who are a year away from retirement are fine, they're just planning their Hana tours. 

My principal now is ace.  He was supervisor when I first came.  He's also best mates with my father-in-law.....   :wink: They holiday together sometimes, and not in a gay way.....I think.

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« Reply #4123 on: March 09, 2017, 02:34:13 PM »
a lot of people complain about the korean language but i don't usually mind it unless it's the whiny sounding thing... but i really hate and cannot bring myself to use the phrase that basically equates to "please take good care of me" or whatever. it sounds so infantile and pleading...i guess it just doesn't translate well but i cut it out of my new school introduction my very first year. i dont even react well when other people say it.


Out of curiosity, what is it? I don't have such a phrase in my introduction but it's entirely possible others have said it and I've just never known

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« Reply #4124 on: March 09, 2017, 02:42:29 PM »
a lot of people complain about the korean language but i don't usually mind it unless it's the whiny sounding thing... but i really hate and cannot bring myself to use the phrase that basically equates to "please take good care of me" or whatever. it sounds so infantile and pleading...i guess it just doesn't translate well but i cut it out of my new school introduction my very first year. i dont even react well when other people say it.

잘 부탁 드립니다?

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« Reply #4125 on: March 09, 2017, 02:53:39 PM »
I've been teaching middle school for the past year and a half, but I taught elementary school for three and a half years before that. I've been in the same province the entire time, so I have a few students now who I also taught when they were elementary schoolers.

One of my students who started 3rd grade this year is one of them, and he has a younger sister who started middle school this year. When I taught at their elementary school, she was one of my favorite students, so when her brother told me she was going to be attending my middle school, I was pretty stoked.

However, a week of classes came and went without seeing her a single time. I mentioned that to my coteacher (who I had already told about my excitement  :laugh:), and he said "Oh, she transferred to another school. Her brother told me today."



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« Reply #4126 on: March 09, 2017, 03:12:31 PM »
a lot of people complain about the korean language but i don't usually mind it unless it's the whiny sounding thing... but i really hate and cannot bring myself to use the phrase that basically equates to "please take good care of me" or whatever. it sounds so infantile and pleading...i guess it just doesn't translate well but i cut it out of my new school introduction my very first year. i dont even react well when other people say it.


Out of curiosity, what is it? I don't have such a phrase in my introduction but it's entirely possible others have said it and I've just never known

"잘 보탁드립니다"

We learned it at orientation when I got here and that was the meaning they told us. I think it's probably oversimplified and phrases often have different connotations than what the exact words mean, but I just don't like it as it gets translated  :lipsrsealed:

If you translate the word "부탁하다" by itself, it's more like "to request" or to "ask (for a favor)", so for me, I've alway thought that "잘 부탁드립니다", is more like saying "I will rely on you"/ "I will request help from you". Anyway if you start a new job somewhere, or start at a new school, you have no choice but to ask people for a lot of favors, or how to do things properly. It's like saying, "I'm going to try to fit in here, please help me out".

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« Reply #4127 on: March 09, 2017, 03:24:57 PM »
That reminds me of some Japanese films and anime where there's a new character at a school or wherever who says "Please take care of me." I'm fairly certain there's a Ghibli film with that line in it somewhere

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« Reply #4128 on: March 09, 2017, 04:45:10 PM »
That reminds me of some Japanese films and anime where there's a new character at a school or wherever who says "Please take care of me." I'm fairly certain there's a Ghibli film with that line in it somewhere

That's one way to translate the phrase "Yoroshiku onegaishimasu," particularly in this context. That's the first thing I thought of when sevenpm first brought it up, haha.

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« Reply #4129 on: March 09, 2017, 05:37:11 PM »
We had a hweshik and there's mostly women at our school. We got another male teacher, and the behavior of most of the women was embarrassing. It was verging on sexual harassment.

Oh god, what happened?


We had a big group of new teachers, and people cheered for all of them, but it was verging on cat-calls with the new male teacher. I kept thinking, if this was a group of men with a new female teacher, people would think this is terrible, right?

Wouldn't think it was particularly terrible for either gender, but no doubt someone would get offended.

Did I mention that they also forced him to sing even though there wasn't a karaoke machine at the restaurant, like they expected? You had to be there to soak in the weirdness of it.

I found today that the male teacher was embarrassed by it all and felt a little harassed, so my observations were pretty accurate.

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« Reply #4130 on: March 09, 2017, 08:08:34 PM »
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Did I mention that they also forced him to sing even though there wasn't a karaoke machine at the restaurant, like they expected? You had to be there to soak in the weirdness of it.

He should have grown a pair and refused.

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« Reply #4131 on: March 10, 2017, 08:59:48 AM »

If you translate the word "부탁하다" by itself, it's more like "to request" or to "ask (for a favor)", so for me, I've alway thought that "잘 부탁드립니다", is more like saying "I will rely on you"/ "I will request help from you". Anyway if you start a new job somewhere, or start at a new school, you have no choice but to ask people for a lot of favors, or how to do things properly. It's like saying, "I'm going to try to fit in here, please help me out".

"Please take care of me" is how I've seen it translated in Korean language books/dramas etc.  "부탁하다" can also be translated as "beg" or so says my Kor-Eng dictionary.

I mean, your interpretation of it is probably more right, that's why I said it's an awkward translation. I don't know why they insist on translating it as "please take good care of me" to people who are brand new Korean speakers. it just sounds awful to me!

Yes, "beg" is also right, but that also depends on context. Yeah, I don't really like the dictionary definition, but I think how I described it is a little bit closer to it's actual usage. After all, if I need someone to "please take care of my child" for the weekend, I might use "부탁하다", but in that case, it is the "please", and not the "take care of" part of the sentence. If you meant "please take care of me", or "please look after me", in a literal sense, it would be a whole different sentence. I'm not an expert by any means, but just if it helps you to not shy away from using the word, then I'll be happy.

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« Reply #4132 on: March 10, 2017, 11:44:46 AM »
When I first got to Korea, I lost like 9kg in my first few years and it was awesome. And I stayed that way.

Then, in the past two years, my metabolism has suddenly decided that I have to be fat now and I've gained like 8kg. It's the worst. My diet didn't change at all - if anything I eat and drink less than I did before.

It's lame.

The new geography teacher started at our school last week.  I knew him when I first came to Korea ten years ago as he was teaching at the high school that was next to my middle school.  So he came up to my desk and the first thing he said was 'How much do you weigh now?' So I said about 87kgs.  'How much did you weigh when I first met you?'  'Erm, about 80kgs, I suppose'  'Right, you look bigger now'  and then walked off. 

Who said small talk is dead in Korea?

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« Reply #4133 on: March 10, 2017, 12:17:06 PM »
When I first got to Korea, I lost like 9kg in my first few years and it was awesome. And I stayed that way.

Then, in the past two years, my metabolism has suddenly decided that I have to be fat now and I've gained like 8kg. It's the worst. My diet didn't change at all - if anything I eat and drink less than I did before.

It's lame.

Resting metabolic rates between people of the same height, weight, age, fitness level, lifestyle etc. don't differ by much (we're talking a 5% difference, at most). Your muscle mass
has decreased, since you're less active, which causes your BMR slows down.
Don't blame your metabolism, fatso. Go lift weights and get them gainz back ;D

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« Reply #4134 on: March 10, 2017, 12:28:22 PM »

If you translate the word "부탁하다" by itself, it's more like "to request" or to "ask (for a favor)", so for me, I've alway thought that "잘 부탁드립니다", is more like saying "I will rely on you"/ "I will request help from you". Anyway if you start a new job somewhere, or start at a new school, you have no choice but to ask people for a lot of favors, or how to do things properly. It's like saying, "I'm going to try to fit in here, please help me out".

"Please take care of me" is how I've seen it translated in Korean language books/dramas etc.  "부탁하다" can also be translated as "beg" or so says my Kor-Eng dictionary.

I mean, your interpretation of it is probably more right, that's why I said it's an awkward translation. I don't know why they insist on translating it as "please take good care of me" to people who are brand new Korean speakers. it just sounds awful to me!

Yes, "beg" is also right, but that also depends on context. Yeah, I don't really like the dictionary definition, but I think how I described it is a little bit closer to it's actual usage. After all, if I need someone to "please take care of my child" for the weekend, I might use "부탁하다", but in that case, it is the "please", and not the "take care of" part of the sentence. If you meant "please take care of me", or "please look after me", in a literal sense, it would be a whole different sentence. I'm not an expert by any means, but just if it helps you to not shy away from using the word, then I'll be happy.
It's also think it can be used just as an emphatic request modifier. There is a famous host of an ancient long-running music program that used to end introductions with "부탁해요~". He was asking the audience to be attentive and listen to the performers. Basically, "Please, take care of them."

I think when we translate it to people who are just learning we are using it as if the phrase has a defined usage that is separated from the literal meaning of the constituent parts.

In Spanish when you meet someone you can say "encantado" the meaning of the word in other contexts is magical. Like bewitched or enchanted. But in the context of meeting someone for the first time it is more similar to "charmed", which itself doesn't hold the alternative meeting of being under the influence of magic. You are acknowledging in a culturally dictated way you are pleased to meet someone.

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« Reply #4135 on: March 10, 2017, 01:09:38 PM »
When I first got to Korea, I lost like 9kg in my first few years and it was awesome. And I stayed that way.

Then, in the past two years, my metabolism has suddenly decided that I have to be fat now and I've gained like 8kg. It's the worst. My diet didn't change at all - if anything I eat and drink less than I did before.

It's lame.

Resting metabolic rates between people of the same height, weight, age, fitness level, lifestyle etc. don't differ by much (we're talking a 5% difference, at most). Your muscle mass
has decreased, since you're less active, which causes your BMR slows down.
Don't blame your metabolism, fatso. Go lift weights and get them gainz back ;D

Yeah, this is true. It was about a year after I started exercising regularly that I started getting fat and gross.

Not enough info, but if you're goal is weight loss, you're definitely doing something wrong.

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« Reply #4136 on: March 13, 2017, 02:51:57 PM »
For you, Dave Stepz.

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« Reply #4139 on: March 14, 2017, 07:55:44 AM »
"Tell me honestly, did you ACTUALLY go to church in America?"
"Yes. But it was different. We didn't go all day. We went from 10-12."
"And did your parents live together before they were married?"
"Yes."
"Oh, well good Christians don't do that."

...I'm really, really trying to work through what his possible thinking process could have been to think it was okay to say that to me. I have theories. But I'm way too talkative and this will turn into a novel no one cares about if I try to articulate. So. Just trust that I am super pissed.