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« Reply #3440 on: December 23, 2016, 12:20:06 PM »
Class 2-2 wanted to watch a movie. The co-T said no.
The co-T said long enough for me to start the game and play a few rounds, then took off. ALL the students except 2 then decided, they can't be bothered with this, and didn't do anything, tried to be very disruptive, etc. So at the end, the 2 students (which were on opposite teams) finished the game. I gave both students triple prizes, told them not to share with the others, or no more prizes for their class.
The others went berserk because they wanted prizes too. I told them, you didn't do anything, you get nothing. Once the bell rang, they stormed off.
Telling them "merry christmas" etc. just led to them saying "yep" very angrily.

Damn, throughout my time at all, we very rarely got games. When we did, it was like 5 minutes of hangman and the entire class had to be good for an entire month to get that. Here, I have to do a game every week, and the students act really ungrateful a lot of the time. :\

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« Reply #3441 on: December 23, 2016, 12:24:50 PM »
Sooooo just found out that for camp (that doesn't start until 12:40 everyday) I have to arrive at 8:40 per usual. Should have looked over my contract again before this time of the year so NO SURPRISES...even though this job is notorious for that. So basically now I'm sitting here thinking, not only will I teach two weeks of camp but I'll sit at my desk for 4 hours and 40 minutes for two weeks straight. Then I will sit at my desk for 8 hours a day for another couple of weeks (which this part I expected). Would I love to take 3 weeks vacation and go to Thailand? Sure, but some of us can't (I have student loans back home that are more of a financial priority at the moment).

And trust me, I'm an overachiever so YES I will be revamping old lessons, reviewing grammar for my own knowledge, planning future lessons, brainstorming summer camp and studying Korean during the desk-warming period. So its not that I will sit there like a bump on a log. I even come 20 minutes early to school everyday on the reg. I know my co-t is monitoring these things. But man, coming 4 hours early for a f****** camp that starts at 12:40 is just the last straw with this ridiculous policy. My co-t said she'd ask the principal for "mercy" ruling on when I have to come...we'll see how that goes.

I am happy to desk warm at times - I feel productive and get many things taken care of (even personal things). But to desk warm for a month (because of camp too) is a bit...of a waste of even being in this country in the first place. "How was living in Korea?" "Well my weekends were fabulous even though Id be pretty tired from the week of working...and well, I didn't get to see much else except for my office, even when there weren't any students to teach."  :rolleyes:

Why can't all epik teacher contracts in the future be reviewed / altered regarding this policy? Of course, I am not 100% knowledgeable about why it even exists in the first place (I.E. may be a visa issue / government related).

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« Reply #3442 on: December 23, 2016, 12:48:26 PM »
Feeling myself about to be screwed. Put in for vacation ages ago. Apparently now it's a problem  because the times I was told I could go home early during exams actually count against my vacation hours. I've seen this come up a lot. Anyone ever tackle it? I'm prepared to take unpaid leave but consarnit.

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« Reply #3443 on: December 23, 2016, 12:51:52 PM »
The first time I met my employer, I was in casual business attire (Dress pants, business shirt, and tie. I got told I was too overdressed, to wear the dress pants, but just wear a casual t-shirt instead of the shirt and tie).

And yeah, that guy sounds like a dick. I hope they didn't give him a renewal after demanding the contract.

As for the bolded part, that is why I have decided to renew (or get an extension on my contract) if I get offered a renewal. I want to stay longer, but not for a full year. One of the people who used to be in my town (who left recently), started in a June, but finished in a September, so it seems like they MAY do extensions, or something like that. She got the flight allowance as well.
If I do get moved, and my new places are really bad, I probably will give my notice.

When you say "casual t-shirt" I hope to God you mean a button up or Polo and not a literal t-shirt. I completely understand that a suit is overkill. A tie might be a little much especially if you have elementary. Regardless, it's always better to overdress than underdress.

Nope, a literal T-shirt. And I wasn't wearing a suit, I was wearing a button up shirt and tie - which they weren't happy with. Whenever I've met them in a literal T-shirt, they have been a lot happier. Which is a shame, I bought a bunch of button up shirts before coming here, thinking I'd have to wear them. But they get angry when I do because "you don't need to dress that formally here."

So all the teachers at your school wear t-shirts and dress pants?

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« Reply #3444 on: December 23, 2016, 01:06:42 PM »
The first time I met my employer, I was in casual business attire (Dress pants, business shirt, and tie. I got told I was too overdressed, to wear the dress pants, but just wear a casual t-shirt instead of the shirt and tie).

And yeah, that guy sounds like a dick. I hope they didn't give him a renewal after demanding the contract.

As for the bolded part, that is why I have decided to renew (or get an extension on my contract) if I get offered a renewal. I want to stay longer, but not for a full year. One of the people who used to be in my town (who left recently), started in a June, but finished in a September, so it seems like they MAY do extensions, or something like that. She got the flight allowance as well.
If I do get moved, and my new places are really bad, I probably will give my notice.

When you say "casual t-shirt" I hope to God you mean a button up or Polo and not a literal t-shirt. I completely understand that a suit is overkill. A tie might be a little much especially if you have elementary. Regardless, it's always better to overdress than underdress.

Nope, a literal T-shirt. And I wasn't wearing a suit, I was wearing a button up shirt and tie - which they weren't happy with. Whenever I've met them in a literal T-shirt, they have been a lot happier. Which is a shame, I bought a bunch of button up shirts before coming here, thinking I'd have to wear them. But they get angry when I do because "you don't need to dress that formally here."

So all the teachers at your school wear t-shirts and dress pants?

Some wear jeans. The older male teachers (who are just about to retire) usually wear a suit. The younger male teachers (are all 10~ years younger than them) wear a casual t-shirts with 2 - 3 small buttons near the neck. I don't have any of those style of casual T's though.
The VP usually wears the style of T-shirt I wear, just not as 'baggy' as mine. (I've lost a bit of weight since I last bought T-shirts) :D
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« Reply #3445 on: December 23, 2016, 01:12:14 PM »
Feeling myself about to be screwed. Put in for vacation ages ago. Apparently now it's a problem  because the times I was told I could go home early during exams actually count against my vacation hours. I've seen this come up a lot. Anyone ever tackle it? I'm prepared to take unpaid leave but consarnit.

Are you public school? If yes, do you use NEIS? If yes, did you or your manager enter your early leaving during exams into NEIS? If yes, what did they enter them as?
If you don't use NEIS, did you get it in writing with a VP or principal signature?

Did you enter your vacation times into NEIS? Was it approved? If yes, you're fine, don't worry. If no, why didn't they approve it? Or did they just ignnore it. 

Basically, if it's just a verbal agreement, it's entirely possible that an unreasonable manager or VP or principal can leave you totally boned on vacation. If all your i's are dotted and t's crossed, you're fine and they're likely fussing over nothing.

That sounds stress. I hope it works out.

Hey thanks. I don't handle NEIS unfortunately, my co-t does. Pretty sure the requested days were ignored (or put off) until now. I'm also trying to ask about my 5 renewal days, as I am essentially forced to take them during winter vacation but there seems to be a lot of confusion around that.

So, in the case of leaving early during exams -- I was always told "Oh we can leave early" and the appropriate NEIS form was filled out. But no one seemed to realize that it was counting against my vacation. I would've just stuck around otherwise. I know my VP is an utter pile of trash so I'm not expecting much mercy. However, I'm not re-signing with this school so I'm not too worried, either.  :undecided:

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« Reply #3446 on: December 23, 2016, 01:16:45 PM »
The accepted dresscode or norm seems to vary heavily from school to school. My previous schools, most everyone dressed casually, men and women, regardless of age. Some might dress it up on certain days, but this was inconsistent and never followed a pattern. They just did it because they felt like doing it sometimes.

At my current school, they dress casual to business casual based on personal comfort. Either is treated as acceptable and only three men consistently dress more formally (the P, VP and an older male teacher). The only thing they require is that you're clean and your clothes are well-kept, that's it.

Personally, I don't see the point in dressing formally as a teacher. I understand dressing up for formal events and meetings, but, generally speaking, the schools I've interacted with prefer a more relaxed working atmosphere. I have friends who work for schools that mandate business casual/formal attire, though, but most of those are for private institutes that are trying to maintain a certain image for well-to-do parents.

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« Reply #3447 on: December 23, 2016, 01:22:49 PM »
The first time I met my employer, I was in casual business attire (Dress pants, business shirt, and tie. I got told I was too overdressed, to wear the dress pants, but just wear a casual t-shirt instead of the shirt and tie).

And yeah, that guy sounds like a dick. I hope they didn't give him a renewal after demanding the contract.

As for the bolded part, that is why I have decided to renew (or get an extension on my contract) if I get offered a renewal. I want to stay longer, but not for a full year. One of the people who used to be in my town (who left recently), started in a June, but finished in a September, so it seems like they MAY do extensions, or something like that. She got the flight allowance as well.
If I do get moved, and my new places are really bad, I probably will give my notice.

When you say "casual t-shirt" I hope to God you mean a button up or Polo and not a literal t-shirt. I completely understand that a suit is overkill. A tie might be a little much especially if you have elementary. Regardless, it's always better to overdress than underdress.

Nope, a literal T-shirt. And I wasn't wearing a suit, I was wearing a button up shirt and tie - which they weren't happy with. Whenever I've met them in a literal T-shirt, they have been a lot happier. Which is a shame, I bought a bunch of button up shirts before coming here, thinking I'd have to wear them. But they get angry when I do because "you don't need to dress that formally here."

So all the teachers at your school wear t-shirts and dress pants?

Some wear jeans. The older male teachers (who are just about to retire) usually wear a suit. The younger male teachers (are all 10~ years younger than them) wear a casual t-shirts with 2 - 3 small buttons near the neck. I don't have any of those style of casual T's though.

I've never heard of anyone getting angry because someone dressed up too much. In my opinion, the button ups that you bought is what you should be wearing. I mean, you did buy them for that purpose after all. Even with jeans, a nice button up can look more professional. And if your CT is really adamant about your clothing, it seems to me like he's one of those "casual T's" with the small buttons kind of guy and doesn't want to get outshone by the foreigner.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #3448 on: December 23, 2016, 01:24:06 PM »
Feeling myself about to be screwed. Put in for vacation ages ago. Apparently now it's a problem  because the times I was told I could go home early during exams actually count against my vacation hours. I've seen this come up a lot. Anyone ever tackle it? I'm prepared to take unpaid leave but consarnit.

Are you public school? If yes, do you use NEIS? If yes, did you or your manager enter your early leaving during exams into NEIS? If yes, what did they enter them as?
If you don't use NEIS, did you get it in writing with a VP or principal signature?

Did you enter your vacation times into NEIS? Was it approved? If yes, you're fine, don't worry. If no, why didn't they approve it? Or did they just ignnore it. 

Basically, if it's just a verbal agreement, it's entirely possible that an unreasonable manager or VP or principal can leave you totally boned on vacation. If all your i's are dotted and t's crossed, you're fine and they're likely fussing over nothing.

That sounds stress. I hope it works out.

Hey thanks. I don't handle NEIS unfortunately, my co-t does. Pretty sure the requested days were ignored (or put off) until now. I'm also trying to ask about my 5 renewal days, as I am essentially forced to take them during winter vacation but there seems to be a lot of confusion around that.

So, in the case of leaving early during exams -- I was always told "Oh we can leave early" and the appropriate NEIS form was filled out. But no one seemed to realize that it was counting against my vacation. I would've just stuck around otherwise. I know my VP is an utter pile of trash so I'm not expecting much mercy. However, I'm not re-signing with this school so I'm not too worried, either.  :undecided:

And on top of all that one of the worst flu seasons in years. A lot of people are too sick to come in.
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« Reply #3449 on: December 23, 2016, 01:24:39 PM »
Just found out this awful new coteacher will be here for those awkward couple weeks in February. I'm going to try to not let this hang over my head during break and just enjoy my vacation, but I really thought I wouldn't have to see her again. I might actually start crying.

Everybody here dresses very casual, unless it's an open class or something. Even the VP wears jeans quite a bit. One of the younger teachers wears ripped up jeans, and on their PE days the teachers often wear tracksuits.

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« Reply #3450 on: December 23, 2016, 01:27:55 PM »
Our new principal called a meeting a few months ago to tell staff that we can't wear jeans or tight things anymore. I stopped wearing my jeans for about a week, but then saw that no other teacher had listened, and just kept wearing them all, but with nice tops.

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« Reply #3451 on: December 23, 2016, 01:29:48 PM »
Just found out this awful new coteacher will be here for those awkward couple weeks in February. I'm going to try to not let this hang over my head during break and just enjoy my vacation, but I really thought I wouldn't have to see her again. I might actually start crying.

Everybody here dresses very casual, unless it's an open class or something. Even the VP wears jeans quite a bit. One of the younger teachers wears ripped up jeans, and on their PE days the teachers often wear tracksuits.

PE teachers always get to wear tracksuits. Lucky bas---ds.

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« Reply #3452 on: December 23, 2016, 01:31:51 PM »
I brought nice-ish clothes and wear almost none of them. I can't dress quite as casually without feeling like I stand out as elementary school teachers, but I don't worry too much about what I wear each day. There are even some teachers at my school who will really blatantly wear the same thing a couple days in a row  :huh:

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« Reply #3453 on: December 23, 2016, 01:32:36 PM »
I teach at a poorer school in Seoul and pretty much all the teachers are young. Some dress nice but a lot just bum it. I had a coteacher that'd just wear sweatpants with a tee or leggings and oversized shirt lol. I remember one time in the lunch room, a teacher was wearing a hella short dress, so when she bent down to get something from under the table you had a clear view of her panties lol. But all the staff were women anyways so I didn't say anything. There's a couple of male teachers here, but even they dress super casual - t-shirts, slacks, jeans, and a collared shirt if they're feeling fancy. Only time people dress nice is for open class.

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« Reply #3454 on: December 23, 2016, 01:33:20 PM »
The first time I met my employer, I was in casual business attire (Dress pants, business shirt, and tie. I got told I was too overdressed, to wear the dress pants, but just wear a casual t-shirt instead of the shirt and tie).

And yeah, that guy sounds like a dick. I hope they didn't give him a renewal after demanding the contract.

As for the bolded part, that is why I have decided to renew (or get an extension on my contract) if I get offered a renewal. I want to stay longer, but not for a full year. One of the people who used to be in my town (who left recently), started in a June, but finished in a September, so it seems like they MAY do extensions, or something like that. She got the flight allowance as well.
If I do get moved, and my new places are really bad, I probably will give my notice.

When you say "casual t-shirt" I hope to God you mean a button up or Polo and not a literal t-shirt. I completely understand that a suit is overkill. A tie might be a little much especially if you have elementary. Regardless, it's always better to overdress than underdress.

Nope, a literal T-shirt. And I wasn't wearing a suit, I was wearing a button up shirt and tie - which they weren't happy with. Whenever I've met them in a literal T-shirt, they have been a lot happier. Which is a shame, I bought a bunch of button up shirts before coming here, thinking I'd have to wear them. But they get angry when I do because "you don't need to dress that formally here."

So all the teachers at your school wear t-shirts and dress pants?

Some wear jeans. The older male teachers (who are just about to retire) usually wear a suit. The younger male teachers (are all 10~ years younger than them) wear a casual t-shirts with 2 - 3 small buttons near the neck. I don't have any of those style of casual T's though.

I've never heard of anyone getting angry because someone dressed up too much. In my opinion, the button ups that you bought is what you should be wearing. I mean, you did buy them for that purpose after all. Even with jeans, a nice button up can look more professional. And if your CT is really adamant about your clothing, it seems to me like he's one of those "casual T's" with the small buttons kind of guy and doesn't want to get outshone by the foreigner.

I think it basically comes down to:

The accepted dresscode or norm seems to vary heavily from school to school. My previous schools, most everyone dressed casually, men and women, regardless of age. Some might dress it up on certain days, but this was inconsistent and never followed a pattern. They just did it because they felt like doing it sometimes.

At my current school, they dress casual to business casual based on personal comfort. Either is treated as acceptable and only three men consistently dress more formally (the P, VP and an older male teacher). The only thing they require is that you're clean and your clothes are well-kept, that's it.

Personally, I don't see the point in dressing formally as a teacher. I understand dressing up for formal events and meetings, but, generally speaking, the schools I've interacted with prefer a more relaxed working atmosphere. I have friends who work for schools that mandate business casual/formal attire, though, but most of those are for private institutes that are trying to maintain a certain image for well-to-do parents.

The only time I see my other co-workers in business casual / formal business attire, is during open classes; and in some cases, a few just wear a blazer over what they usually wear.

Personally, I don't like wearing business casual, or formal, clothes anyway. They are very uncomfortable, and enjoy that I can wear a casual t-shirt. I bought the shirts / ties thinking it would be part of the dress code. While I don't like wearing them willingly, I would have with no issues if it was required by the dresscode.
I also find that my T-shirts are good icebreakers with the students. They have a joke, or video game / anime reference on them, so it gets them trying to talk to me in English about it before the start of a lesson. Even some of my co-workers enjoyed the ones with a joke on it.

*as mentioned in the EDIT I made after you quoted me, my VP wears the same style of casual T as I do, his however are just plain colours, while mine usually has a print of some sort*

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« Reply #3455 on: December 23, 2016, 01:39:24 PM »
I brought nice-ish clothes and wear almost none of them. I can't dress quite as casually without feeling like I stand out as elementary school teachers, but I don't worry too much about what I wear each day. There are even some teachers at my school who will really blatantly wear the same thing a couple days in a row  :huh:

My main ct does that too and I find it really weird.  I haven't noticed anyone else does it but I don't really notice them as much in general.

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« Reply #3456 on: December 23, 2016, 01:49:08 PM »
I brought over dress clothes, middling nice and casual clothes. Probably 95% of the time I wear casual attire. And here I thought I'd be dressing up for work everyday  :laugh:

The teachers at my elementary schools tend to dress up but I think that's because most of them are ajumma age and they just like to do so. This year some of the new teachers are younger and I've noticed they dress more casually (jeans and t-shirt).

My middle schools are overall much more casual; we only dress up for open classes, picture day, or certain special events. I enjoy the laid back dress code. The principal is generally pretty formal but some days he even wears athletic attire.

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« Reply #3457 on: December 23, 2016, 02:04:44 PM »
I brought nice-ish clothes and wear almost none of them. I can't dress quite as casually without feeling like I stand out as elementary school teachers, but I don't worry too much about what I wear each day. There are even some teachers at my school who will really blatantly wear the same thing a couple days in a row  :huh:

My main ct does that too and I find it really weird.  I haven't noticed anyone else does it but I don't really notice them as much in general.

I've never seen teachers do this :o

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« Reply #3458 on: December 23, 2016, 02:13:17 PM »
Sometimes my mind is blown by how stupid the students can be. I just caught a student smoking in class. How can you be that dumb? I may be the foreign teacher and can't really do anything, but I sure as hell can go get another teacher.

Their homeroom teacher then came and proceeded to yell at him and he yelled back at her and gave her such attitude it was unbelievable. She then had to go get someone else from the discipline office to get him out of class.

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« Reply #3459 on: December 23, 2016, 02:15:41 PM »
Man I am about ready to give up on this hospital business.

I finally got my MRI yesterday, nothing was amiss. After discussing the results with me the neurologist just went on again like "hmmmmm I don't know" and then told me I should go to a university hospital.

Apparently to go to the university hospital I first need to physically go to make a reservation, then physically go back to the other hospital to get the reference letter, and then finally go back to the university hospital again. And all of this apparently needs to be done within a week? With the exception of today I have literally been to the hospital every single day this week.

WHY can't I make a reservation by phone? WHY didn't they give me the reference letter yesterday at the hospital? WHY can't they just send it to the university hospital by secure email or some shit? Like this is absurd. Both my main coteacher and my boss think so too; they can't understand why at least the first hospital didn't just give me my reference letter yesterday. My boss just concluded "Well... I don't know... there must be some kind of important reason for it..."

Like I'm tempted right now to just take a few days and see how I'm feeling, because aside from just generally wanting to feel better, the reason I was trying so hard to pursue this is that it was getting in the way of my work. It's really hard to focus when you constantly feel like your head is spinning and like you're going to vomit. But I don't have that much work to do anymore, and the semester is almost over. Even if I feel sick I can just lump around or take a nap without worrying. But they told me this all needs to get done within a week. So....?????

I'm definitely not spending any of my Friday or Saturday on this though. No way.

 



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