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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #3360 on: December 23, 2016, 09:13:09 AM »
Here's my annual EPIK contract renewal signing rant:

Maybe I'm old fashioned (or just old) but is it too much to expect NETS to wear smart clothes when they're meeting their employer?  It seems so.  Don't wear a suit (not appropriate) but looking around, most people were in jeans/sweatpants, a tshirt and trainers. 

So many people had opened their medical check results (after they had received them in a sealed envelope obviously).  So that led to the RIDICULOUS situation of the coordinator asking them things like "Did your CT see you open the envelope?"  In the end, so many people had opened them I think she just couldn't be bothered to deal with it and let it go.  So I guess that makes a complete mockery of the tests.  I'll just fake mine next time and save a load of cash.

People just waltzing in an hour late and not apologising.  "Where's my contract?" was the first thing out of one guy's mouth.  You're an hour late, are you taking the piss?

Of the process as a whole:  signing the contract before finding out where you'll be teaching is infuriating.  I don't know about anyone else but I renew my contract because I like my school/apartment/area and I've been confident about my chances of staying here. If I knew I was moving it would probably have a big affect on my decision to renew (ie. I probably wouldn't bother).

Agreed, the most infuriating things about these contracts is the uncertainty of the location, especially after being here a few years, we still have no way to ensure that we can stay in a school and neighborhood that we've built a relationship with? Ugh, extremely frustrating.

Though your last sentence is probably why they do it, if they informed us beforehand many people would probably nope on out of here if they were transferred to an undesirable location/school. I know I would... Signing first more or less guarantees that all schools who want a NET, get a NET, I guess.

Also it sounds like you have a big renewal meetup? Do all the NETS where you are sign their contracts and get their medical results together?  :huh:

In my case my school just hands me the contract one random morning and I sign and it's business as usual...

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #3361 on: December 23, 2016, 09:13:44 AM »
Subconscious effort to reduce the focus of society from appearance to content. Maybe.

I didn't know we had so many fashionistas here.
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« Reply #3362 on: December 23, 2016, 09:23:38 AM »
Same here.

What some think as acceptable is quite shocking.

I mean, they may well be fine teachers, but seriously...bathe, shave, put on some clean "smart casual" attire and exercise some polite manners for f'sake.

I don't get it.

Is it a millennial thing? A poverty thing?

I see the same folks at my renewal and it gets progressively worse. One lady arrived looking like a complete hobo, she attempted to compensate for her appearance by sucking up to every Korean in sight. The worst was one chap who came to his renewal wearing Jordans, a puffy jacket, a baseball cap and beats headphones around his neck.

The lady in question was pushing 40 and the guy looked in his mid twenties, so I wouldn't say a millennial thing.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #3363 on: December 23, 2016, 09:32:47 AM »
I didn't bring my knitting glasses to school so I have to attempt to knit with my eyes closed so I don't feel sick. Fun. Plus, I'm definitely not going to finish this scarf today.

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« Reply #3364 on: December 23, 2016, 09:36:21 AM »
Subconscious effort to reduce the focus of society from appearance to content. Maybe.

I didn't know we had so many fashionistas here.

Although that sentiment is admirable, it's still a professional setting and I don't think it's too oppressive to expect smart clothes.  They can "stick it to the man" as much as they like outside of work  :wink:

Also it sounds like you have a big renewal meetup? Do all the NETS where you are sign their contracts and get their medical results together?  :huh:

Yeah it's kind of like a mini orientation where we all sign our contracts and submit our health checks.  We also get given any relevant information for the coming year like changes in the contract, optional programs we can sign up for etc.

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« Reply #3365 on: December 23, 2016, 09:39:47 AM »
The teacher who never wears headphones is now watching a bowling...game? match?... video and it's so loud.  :cry:

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #3366 on: December 23, 2016, 09:44:29 AM »
Almonds are on sale at HomePlus across the land, these days.

Also, boiled eggs are literally the best yum-yum of breakfast. Boil them, they keep in the fridge forever. Crack one of those suckers open and dump salt on it, make a giant cup of coffee, and baby, you've got a breakfast goin'.

Call me spoiled, but I don't like boiled eggs more than a day old because they take on a rubbery texture that everyone says I'm imagining but I swear does exist. I also prefer eggs poached in broth and placed on toast. Doesn't take long to make, but I literally leave myself with zero time to cook anything most mornings these days.

I hate boiled eggs in general, but if I really have to eat them, I will only eat them within a half-hour of being boiled. After that, no. Also, I know what you're talking about with the rubbery texture thing the next day. I hate that, too, haha.

But in terms of making yourself something to eat, I do find that boiled eggs are the easiest to fit into the mornings. I occasionally have them for breakfast and I boil them while I get dressed / dry my hair / do my make-up. I eat it on my commute to work LOL and then I have coffee when I get to school.

I am super fussy about eggs, I am vegetarian so am especially picky about something like that.  Especially boiled eggs, the rubbery bit is really off putting.  I won't eat boiled eggs given to me by anyone else.  I never buy the cheap eggs in the supermarket, only the free range ones.  Those black-coloured eggs? not on your life.  My own poached eggs with fried mushrooms?  Oh yeh!

That's what I bought in my home country.  I would like to here but I can't tell which ones are free range/organic/etc.  All the different varieties appear to be roughly the same price.  Where do you find yours here?

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« Reply #3367 on: December 23, 2016, 09:52:45 AM »
On the subject of eggs - Friday is my weekly shop, so tonight will I discover that prices have doubled because of Bird Flu and a shortage of eggs?

Anyone noticed a price increase yet?

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« Reply #3368 on: December 23, 2016, 09:57:14 AM »
On the subject of eggs - Friday is my weekly shop, so tonight will I discover that prices have doubled because of Bird Flu and a shortage of eggs?

Anyone noticed a price increase yet?

I buy eggs directly from the flu infected farms for half the cost - no price hike in sight!

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« Reply #3369 on: December 23, 2016, 09:57:51 AM »
Agreed, the most infuriating things about these contracts is the uncertainty of the location, especially after being here a few years, we still have no way to ensure that we can stay in a school and neighborhood that we've built a relationship with? Ugh, extremely frustrating.

Though your last sentence is probably why they do it, if they informed us beforehand many people would probably nope on out of here if they were transferred to an undesirable location/school. I know I would... Signing first more or less guarantees that all schools who want a NET, get a NET, I guess.

Yeah that's a good point and is probably why they do it.

Unfortunately though I have no qualms about immediately giving my two months' notice if I move and my new school/location is terrible. 

^ This situation could be avoided if everyone knew where they would be before signing.  I don't think that would mess up their recruitment timeline too much would it?

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« Reply #3370 on: December 23, 2016, 10:00:25 AM »
I've found I don't really care for hard boiled eggs anymore. Soft boiled eggs all the way!

I prefer free range though I can't be certain that's what I'm getting. The eggs I buy are labeled as from my county and I've seen chickens milling about as they please in the countryside... so I'd like to think that's how the egg producers generally live.

At any rate, the eggs look and taste like free range eggs I had back home.

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« Reply #3371 on: December 23, 2016, 10:03:46 AM »
If the newspapers are accurate, it's not so much a shortage of eggs, as it is hoarding that is causing the price increase (suppliers and distributors are manipulating supply to earn more on the backs of the trapped Korean consumer).

Like shooting fish in a barrel.

Made Russian butter balls (no eggs) and used flak seed substitute for other Christmas cookies, worked great.

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« Reply #3372 on: December 23, 2016, 10:07:18 AM »
Here's my annual EPIK contract renewal signing rant:

Maybe I'm old fashioned (or just old) but is it too much to expect NETS to wear smart clothes when they're meeting their employer?  It seems so.  Don't wear a suit (not appropriate) but looking around, most people were in jeans/sweatpants, a tshirt and trainers. 

So many people had opened their medical check results (after they had received them in a sealed envelope obviously).  So that led to the RIDICULOUS situation of the coordinator asking them things like "Did your CT see you open the envelope?"  In the end, so many people had opened them I think she just couldn't be bothered to deal with it and let it go.  So I guess that makes a complete mockery of the tests.  I'll just fake mine next time and save a load of cash.

People just waltzing in an hour late and not apologising.  "Where's my contract?" was the first thing out of one guy's mouth.  You're an hour late, are you taking the piss?

Of the process as a whole:  signing the contract before finding out where you'll be teaching is infuriating.  I don't know about anyone else but I renew my contract because I like my school/apartment/area and I've been confident about my chances of staying here.  If I knew I was moving it would probably have a big affect on my decision to renew (ie. I probably wouldn't bother).

The first time I met my employer, I was in casual business attire (Dress pants, business shirt, and tie. I got told I was too overdressed, to wear the dress pants, but just wear a casual t-shirt instead of the shirt and tie).

And yeah, that guy sounds like a dick. I hope they didn't give him a renewal after demanding the contract.

As for the bolded part, that is why I have decided to renew (or get an extension on my contract) if I get offered a renewal. I want to stay longer, but not for a full year. One of the people who used to be in my town (who left recently), started in a June, but finished in a September, so it seems like they MAY do extensions, or something like that. She got the flight allowance as well.
If I do get moved, and my new places are really bad, I probably will give my notice.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #3373 on: December 23, 2016, 10:09:50 AM »
Agreed, the most infuriating things about these contracts is the uncertainty of the location, especially after being here a few years, we still have no way to ensure that we can stay in a school and neighborhood that we've built a relationship with? Ugh, extremely frustrating.

Though your last sentence is probably why they do it, if they informed us beforehand many people would probably nope on out of here if they were transferred to an undesirable location/school. I know I would... Signing first more or less guarantees that all schools who want a NET, get a NET, I guess.

Yeah that's a good point and is probably why they do it.

Unfortunately though I have no qualms about immediately giving my two months' notice if I move and my new school/location is terrible. 

^ This situation could be avoided if everyone knew where they would be before signing.  I don't think that would mess up their recruitment timeline too much would it?

I think that, and also I know some Korean teachers don't even find out till pretty late where they're going to be placed the next year (if they're rotating to a new school) so any consideration for the foreign teacher in this respect is probably a nonexistent concern.

That being said, doesn't seem to be an issue in JLP. When we renew our contracts, it's for our original school unless we apply for a transfer (in which case you put down a few options and see where the dice land). Budget cuts for schools still happen but overall there's not much mystery about location.

I don't think they do contract extensions though, which is too bad. But I guess one could sign on for another year and just resign at the halfway mark.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #3374 on: December 23, 2016, 10:31:51 AM »
Here's my annual EPIK contract renewal signing rant:

Maybe I'm old fashioned (or just old) but is it too much to expect NETS to wear smart clothes when they're meeting their employer?  It seems so.  Don't wear a suit (not appropriate) but looking around, most people were in jeans/sweatpants, a tshirt and trainers. 

So many people had opened their medical check results (after they had received them in a sealed envelope obviously).  So that led to the RIDICULOUS situation of the coordinator asking them things like "Did your CT see you open the envelope?"  In the end, so many people had opened them I think she just couldn't be bothered to deal with it and let it go.  So I guess that makes a complete mockery of the tests.  I'll just fake mine next time and save a load of cash.

People just waltzing in an hour late and not apologising.  "Where's my contract?" was the first thing out of one guy's mouth.  You're an hour late, are you taking the piss?

Of the process as a whole:  signing the contract before finding out where you'll be teaching is infuriating.  I don't know about anyone else but I renew my contract because I like my school/apartment/area and I've been confident about my chances of staying here.  If I knew I was moving it would probably have a big affect on my decision to renew (ie. I probably wouldn't bother).

The first time I met my employer, I was in casual business attire (Dress pants, business shirt, and tie. I got told I was too overdressed, to wear the dress pants, but just wear a casual t-shirt instead of the shirt and tie).

And yeah, that guy sounds like a dick. I hope they didn't give him a renewal after demanding the contract.

As for the bolded part, that is why I have decided to renew (or get an extension on my contract) if I get offered a renewal. I want to stay longer, but not for a full year. One of the people who used to be in my town (who left recently), started in a June, but finished in a September, so it seems like they MAY do extensions, or something like that. She got the flight allowance as well.
If I do get moved, and my new places are really bad, I probably will give my notice.

When you say "casual t-shirt" I hope to God you mean a button up or Polo and not a literal t-shirt. I completely understand that a suit is overkill. A tie might be a little much especially if you have elementary. Regardless, it's always better to overdress than underdress.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #3375 on: December 23, 2016, 10:38:43 AM »
Here's my annual EPIK contract renewal signing rant:

Maybe I'm old fashioned (or just old) but is it too much to expect NETS to wear smart clothes when they're meeting their employer?  It seems so.  Don't wear a suit (not appropriate) but looking around, most people were in jeans/sweatpants, a tshirt and trainers. 

So many people had opened their medical check results (after they had received them in a sealed envelope obviously).  So that led to the RIDICULOUS situation of the coordinator asking them things like "Did your CT see you open the envelope?"  In the end, so many people had opened them I think she just couldn't be bothered to deal with it and let it go.  So I guess that makes a complete mockery of the tests.  I'll just fake mine next time and save a load of cash.

People just waltzing in an hour late and not apologising.  "Where's my contract?" was the first thing out of one guy's mouth.  You're an hour late, are you taking the piss?

Of the process as a whole:  signing the contract before finding out where you'll be teaching is infuriating.  I don't know about anyone else but I renew my contract because I like my school/apartment/area and I've been confident about my chances of staying here.  If I knew I was moving it would probably have a big affect on my decision to renew (ie. I probably wouldn't bother).

The first time I met my employer, I was in casual business attire (Dress pants, business shirt, and tie. I got told I was too overdressed, to wear the dress pants, but just wear a casual t-shirt instead of the shirt and tie).

And yeah, that guy sounds like a dick. I hope they didn't give him a renewal after demanding the contract.

As for the bolded part, that is why I have decided to renew (or get an extension on my contract) if I get offered a renewal. I want to stay longer, but not for a full year. One of the people who used to be in my town (who left recently), started in a June, but finished in a September, so it seems like they MAY do extensions, or something like that. She got the flight allowance as well.
If I do get moved, and my new places are really bad, I probably will give my notice.

When you say "casual t-shirt" I hope to God you mean a button up or Polo and not a literal t-shirt. I completely understand that a suit is overkill. A tie might be a little much especially if you have elementary. Regardless, it's always better to overdress than underdress.

Nope, a literal T-shirt. And I wasn't wearing a suit, I was wearing a button up shirt and tie - which they weren't happy with. Whenever I've met them in a literal T-shirt, they have been a lot happier. Which is a shame, I bought a bunch of button up shirts before coming here, thinking I'd have to wear them. But they get angry when I do because "you don't need to dress that formally here."

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #3376 on: December 23, 2016, 10:42:54 AM »

I think that, and also I know some Korean teachers don't even find out till pretty late where they're going to be placed the next year (if they're rotating to a new school). so any consideration for the foreign teacher in this respect is probably a nonexistent concern


Yeah there's probably nothing machiavellian going on  :laugh: these kinds of decisions are probably done in the grand ol' tradition of last minute hurried craziness like a lot of things here

I like to try and find a rhyme or reason for things but sometimes the sad truth is we (NETs) really don't factor that high in anyone's decision making process, so most slights we feel are (at least usually) unintentional  :undecided:

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« Reply #3377 on: December 23, 2016, 11:57:14 AM »
CoT: Are you coming? We have class now.
Me: Um... not according to the schedule I was given this morning.
CoT: There was another change. We have class now.
Me: Okay. What class?
CoT: Class 1-3.
Me: I've already taught that class this week.
CoT: *blank stare*
Me: Okay. Be there in a minute.


Class cancellations and reschedulings are pretty much old hat to me by now, but there are apparently still some circumstances where I find them irritating. One of those circumstances seems to be when they want me to teach a class I already taught once in a given week.

I have 600+ students, and I only see each class once a week. I plan for the week accordingly, so when they want me to teach a class twice in one week, that throws off my planning for (at least) one week for that class. It wouldn't be so bad if they let me know a day or so in advance, but two minutes before the bell is asking a bit much.

I was able to just quickly modify a lesson I used with one of the classes that's ahead of them, so the class ended up going well enough, but it still soured my mood for the afternoon.

Apparently one of the other subject teachers called in sick today, so they moved that teacher's class to next week during my class hours, and moved my class from next week to today. Seems like something that could've been solved if they had a system of substitute teachers available to call in situations like this, but what do I know.

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« Reply #3378 on: December 23, 2016, 12:20:06 PM »
Class 2-2 wanted to watch a movie. The co-T said no.
The co-T said long enough for me to start the game and play a few rounds, then took off. ALL the students except 2 then decided, they can't be bothered with this, and didn't do anything, tried to be very disruptive, etc. So at the end, the 2 students (which were on opposite teams) finished the game. I gave both students triple prizes, told them not to share with the others, or no more prizes for their class.
The others went berserk because they wanted prizes too. I told them, you didn't do anything, you get nothing. Once the bell rang, they stormed off.
Telling them "merry christmas" etc. just led to them saying "yep" very angrily.

Damn, throughout my time at all, we very rarely got games. When we did, it was like 5 minutes of hangman and the entire class had to be good for an entire month to get that. Here, I have to do a game every week, and the students act really ungrateful a lot of the time. :\

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« Reply #3379 on: December 23, 2016, 12:24:50 PM »
Sooooo just found out that for camp (that doesn't start until 12:40 everyday) I have to arrive at 8:40 per usual. Should have looked over my contract again before this time of the year so NO SURPRISES...even though this job is notorious for that. So basically now I'm sitting here thinking, not only will I teach two weeks of camp but I'll sit at my desk for 4 hours and 40 minutes for two weeks straight. Then I will sit at my desk for 8 hours a day for another couple of weeks (which this part I expected). Would I love to take 3 weeks vacation and go to Thailand? Sure, but some of us can't (I have student loans back home that are more of a financial priority at the moment).

And trust me, I'm an overachiever so YES I will be revamping old lessons, reviewing grammar for my own knowledge, planning future lessons, brainstorming summer camp and studying Korean during the desk-warming period. So its not that I will sit there like a bump on a log. I even come 20 minutes early to school everyday on the reg. I know my co-t is monitoring these things. But man, coming 4 hours early for a f****** camp that starts at 12:40 is just the last straw with this ridiculous policy. My co-t said she'd ask the principal for "mercy" ruling on when I have to come...we'll see how that goes.

I am happy to desk warm at times - I feel productive and get many things taken care of (even personal things). But to desk warm for a month (because of camp too) is a bit...of a waste of even being in this country in the first place. "How was living in Korea?" "Well my weekends were fabulous even though Id be pretty tired from the week of working...and well, I didn't get to see much else except for my office, even when there weren't any students to teach."  :rolleyes:

Why can't all epik teacher contracts in the future be reviewed / altered regarding this policy? Of course, I am not 100% knowledgeable about why it even exists in the first place (I.E. may be a visa issue / government related).