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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1960 on: October 25, 2016, 01:41:42 AM »
+1

Best to simply say, "I'm sorry.  It won't happen again."

This is a rant thread, I know, but bringing up the Sewol, like that, really shows a very ugly and nasty side of you.

You took the car, knowing you were going to try to pull this stunt of disappearing early.

You were caught.  Own it.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1961 on: October 25, 2016, 02:04:13 AM »
Had an argument with my CT today. Technically, I was at fault, but I was a bit fed up with her complete hypocrisy.

Last Monday, my Monday school had a field trip. My CT, who's quite ambiguous and vague when explaining things, didn't make it clear whether I was to come along or stay at school. I arrived and announced that I wasn't really keen on going, she didn't make a big deal out of it and wished me a pleasant day before heading off. She said everyone would be returning between 16:30 and 17:00.

At about 10AM, I realised that aside from a few admin staff and the cleaning ladies, I was the only soul in school. I decided I wasn't going to sit in an empty school till 16:30 and drive 45min away to pick my wife up after 5pm, heck my CT ducks out early every now and then and tells me to "keep secret". I left, discreetly.

Today my CT tells me that she's upset that I didn't come along and she's also upset that I left before 16:30. Who the f**k decided to snitch, I'll never know.

(Not exactly verbatim. I used much simpler English in the actual conversation, but for the sake of brevity, I won't write exactly what was said). My wife works at a school, very far from the one I was
at that day.

CT - Why didn't you come on the field trip and why did you leave before 16:30?

Me - You didn't say anything at the time and I'm sorry, but I'm not going to let my wife wait near
        an empty bus stop till after 5pm. She's been harassed by creepy old men before. (Usually, she
       takes the car and picks me up after 5, but I took it today since I was sure I could leave early).

CT - You need to follow the rules, you must leave at 16:30.

Me - Last week, you left early and the month before, you left after lunch to pick up your husband at
       the airport. You asked me not to tell the VP.

CT - That's not the same. You must follow the rules.

(I'm getting irritated)
Me - Well, rules can be stupid.

CT - You should've come on the field trip to the museum, you need to learn about Korean culture.

Me - I learn more about Korean culture by observing day-to-day life and having conversations like
       this than by going to museums, with fake artifacts, where I'm told how great Korea is.

CT - But you broke the rules by leaving early, we must follow the rules.

Me - If you were on a sinking ship and the captain, who just left, told you to stay where you are
       would you stay because it's the rules?

CT - ....

Me - So you see, rules can be stupid. I didn't go on the trip because I had a choice, I'm never
       invited on my other school field trips, they usually let me stay at home. I left early because my
       wife's safety is more important than following a ridiculous and pointless rule.

CT - Korean teachers don't like the rule either, but what if something happened to you?

Me - Then like an adult, I'll accept the responsibility of my actions, I'm not a child. What if 
       something happened to my wife? What if something happened to you when you sneaked out?
       Do the rules only apply to me?

CT - I hope you follow the rules next time.

Like speaking French to a goldfish.

I have to be honest- you sound very unprofessional and childish here. Your co-teacher was definitely in the right and you were in the wrong.

No, it sounds like he was within his rights not to go on the field trip, as nobody came forth and said "You have to go because it's in your contract." No, the co-teacher was unprofessional for laying guilt trips on him, simply because she didn't want to go herself and felt it was unfair that a foreigner didn't have to do the things that she has to do.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1962 on: October 25, 2016, 07:17:33 AM »
Had an argument with my CT today. Technically, I was at fault, but I was a bit fed up with her complete hypocrisy.


Hades-esque low blow to bring up Sewol like that. Come on, dude.

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« Reply #1963 on: October 25, 2016, 07:19:13 AM »


This is a rant thread, I know, but bringing up the Sewol, like that, really shows a very ugly and nasty side of you.


No. Everyone here needs to be constantly reminded of it and have their nose rubbed in it until someone learns something from it and acts upon this lesson.

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« Reply #1964 on: October 25, 2016, 07:36:48 AM »
Had an argument with my CT today. Technically, I was at fault, but I was a bit fed up with her complete hypocrisy.

Last Monday, my Monday school had a field trip. My CT, who's quite ambiguous and vague when explaining things, didn't make it clear whether I was to come along or stay at school. I arrived and announced that I wasn't really keen on going, she didn't make a big deal out of it and wished me a pleasant day before heading off. She said everyone would be returning between 16:30 and 17:00.

At about 10AM, I realised that aside from a few admin staff and the cleaning ladies, I was the only soul in school. I decided I wasn't going to sit in an empty school till 16:30 and drive 45min away to pick my wife up after 5pm, heck my CT ducks out early every now and then and tells me to "keep secret". I left, discreetly.

Today my CT tells me that she's upset that I didn't come along and she's also upset that I left before 16:30. Who the f**k decided to snitch, I'll never know.

(Not exactly verbatim. I used much simpler English in the actual conversation, but for the sake of brevity, I won't write exactly what was said). My wife works at a school, very far from the one I was
at that day.

CT - Why didn't you come on the field trip and why did you leave before 16:30?

Me - You didn't say anything at the time and I'm sorry, but I'm not going to let my wife wait near
        an empty bus stop till after 5pm. She's been harassed by creepy old men before. (Usually, she
       takes the car and picks me up after 5, but I took it today since I was sure I could leave early).

CT - You need to follow the rules, you must leave at 16:30.

Me - Last week, you left early and the month before, you left after lunch to pick up your husband at
       the airport. You asked me not to tell the VP.

CT - That's not the same. You must follow the rules.

(I'm getting irritated)
Me - Well, rules can be stupid.

CT - You should've come on the field trip to the museum, you need to learn about Korean culture.

Me - I learn more about Korean culture by observing day-to-day life and having conversations like
       this than by going to museums, with fake artifacts, where I'm told how great Korea is.

CT - But you broke the rules by leaving early, we must follow the rules.

Me - If you were on a sinking ship and the captain, who just left, told you to stay where you are
       would you stay because it's the rules?

CT - ....

Me - So you see, rules can be stupid. I didn't go on the trip because I had a choice, I'm never
       invited on my other school field trips, they usually let me stay at home. I left early because my
       wife's safety is more important than following a ridiculous and pointless rule.

CT - Korean teachers don't like the rule either, but what if something happened to you?

Me - Then like an adult, I'll accept the responsibility of my actions, I'm not a child. What if 
       something happened to my wife? What if something happened to you when you sneaked out?
       Do the rules only apply to me?

CT - I hope you follow the rules next time.

Like speaking French to a goldfish.

I have to be honest- you sound very unprofessional and childish here. Your co-teacher was definitely in the right and you were in the wrong.

No, it sounds like he was within his rights not to go on the field trip, as nobody came forth and said "You have to go because it's in your contract." No, the co-teacher was unprofessional for laying guilt trips on him, simply because she didn't want to go herself and felt it was unfair that a foreigner didn't have to do the things that she has to do.

Kimchiyum, that's ok. Normally, I'd have to agree with you, but I do more favours for this woman than any other CT. Last month, I heavily edited her open class material, most Mondays I do one-on-one conversations with her son, for about 20min during lunch and I help her with her afterschool class for free, despite me already teaching 22hrs a week.

It's becoming quite obvious to me that she never reciprocates favours other than passing on  a few disgusting rice cakes for my help, whenever someone gives them to her.

I've tried, but it's simply impossible for me to think and act so rigidly.

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« Reply #1965 on: October 25, 2016, 07:37:54 AM »
I think Aristocrat is definitely in the right there. 

It's fine to stand up for yourself when you're being treated like a child/a teenager on work experience.

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« Reply #1966 on: October 25, 2016, 07:42:26 AM »
I have to be honest- you sound very unprofessional and childish here. Your co-teacher was definitely in the right and you were in the wrong.

No, it sounds like he was within his rights not to go on the field trip, as nobody came forth and said "You have to go because it's in your contract." No, the co-teacher was unprofessional for laying guilt trips on him, simply because she didn't want to go herself and felt it was unfair that a foreigner didn't have to do the things that she has to do.

He was within his rights not to go on the trip, but not to leave work before 4:30. His wife could have waited for him somewhere safer than a bus stop, like a cafe or the place that she works. The CT is saying that if he was going to break the rules and leave work early, it would have been better for everyone if he just went on the trip.

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« Reply #1967 on: October 25, 2016, 07:44:19 AM »
I don't get all the criticisms of bringing up the Sewol to make a point. Bringing up a personal tragedy would be low I agree but as someone else said, lessons can be learned from a public one.

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« Reply #1968 on: October 25, 2016, 07:53:00 AM »
Had an argument with my CT today. Technically, I was at fault, but I was a bit fed up with her complete hypocrisy.


Hades-esque low blow to bring up Sewol like that. Come on, dude.

After Sewol, people wore their little yellow ribbons and wasted no time in scapegoating the captain to a ridiculous intensity. The captain and the students actions were a symptom of a problem that has never been addressed.
I like to think the hundreds of kids didn't drown for yellow ribbons, but rather is an extremely painful lesson.
Refusing to talk about the underlying issue because it's taboo, is worse than a low blow, in my book and akin to spitting on their graves. I get a bit hot-headed at times, but I wont apologies for bringing that up.

If it was at a dinner table or around a bunch of people, it might be inappropriate, but two adults speaking privately and out of earshot of everyone else is a different story.
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« Reply #1969 on: October 25, 2016, 07:55:37 AM »
I have to be honest- you sound very unprofessional and childish here. Your co-teacher was definitely in the right and you were in the wrong.

No, it sounds like he was within his rights not to go on the field trip, as nobody came forth and said "You have to go because it's in your contract." No, the co-teacher was unprofessional for laying guilt trips on him, simply because she didn't want to go herself and felt it was unfair that a foreigner didn't have to do the things that she has to do.

He was within his rights not to go on the trip, but not to leave work before 4:30. His wife could have waited for him somewhere safer than a bus stop, like a cafe or the place that she works. The CT is saying that if he was going to break the rules and leave work early, it would have been better for everyone if he just went on the trip.

True, but the school she attends is as rural as is gets. The entire school gets locked at 5 and there isn't much in that little myeon besides a school, long road, farmland and a bus stop.

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« Reply #1970 on: October 25, 2016, 07:57:35 AM »
I can sympathize with Aristocrat's situation, especially considereing all the un-official "help" he usually gives his CT, but it sounds like he wanted to have his cake and eat it too.

School trips can be boring, but so is sitting in an empty school. Make your choice and live with it IMO.

I don't get all the criticisms of bringing up the Sewol to make a point. Bringing up a personal tragedy would be low I agree but as someone else said, lessons can be learned from a public one.

I agree, lessons can be learned. But that convo between Aristocrat and his Co-T was not the place for that "learning" to happen. A teacher sitting alone at school is for sure dumb, but not even in the same league as Sewol. Apples and oranges.

If he had wanted to drive home the hypocrisy, he should have focused on all the favors he had done for the co-T. No need to bring up Sewol there.

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« Reply #1971 on: October 25, 2016, 07:59:07 AM »
I have to be honest- you sound very unprofessional and childish here. Your co-teacher was definitely in the right and you were in the wrong.

No, it sounds like he was within his rights not to go on the field trip, as nobody came forth and said "You have to go because it's in your contract." No, the co-teacher was unprofessional for laying guilt trips on him, simply because she didn't want to go herself and felt it was unfair that a foreigner didn't have to do the things that she has to do.

He was within his rights not to go on the trip, but not to leave work before 4:30. His wife could have waited for him somewhere safer than a bus stop, like a cafe or the place that she works. The CT is saying that if he was going to break the rules and leave work early, it would have been better for everyone if he just went on the trip.

Right, If A had happened then B would not have happened. 

Long and the short of it.  Aristocrat did something that he thought he could probably get away with, but didn't.  Now realises that 'helping' his co-t by keeping things secret that she did, is not reciprocated.  I now expect Aristocrat to be less forthcoming and understanding with that teacher.   Chalk one up.

Using the Sewol accident was not the way to 'win' an argument.   I am sure Americans love to be reminded about 9/11 as a way to put them in their place. 

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« Reply #1972 on: October 25, 2016, 08:17:17 AM »
Had an argument with my CT today. Technically, I was at fault, but I was a bit fed up with her complete hypocrisy.

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Aristocrat! You were so wrong! wrong wrong wrong! I need to tell you how wrong you were!

Waygook, where you can acknowledge that you were at fault and everyone will still jump on you telling you that you were at fault  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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« Reply #1973 on: October 25, 2016, 08:51:05 AM »
It has yet to be brought up, but why didn't you just take early leave?

I have the ability to do that on any day at any time.

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« Reply #1974 on: October 25, 2016, 09:07:35 AM »
koreans LOVE snitching. has anyone else noticed this?

i got fed up with the whole desk warming thing, too. i remember once getting "told off" for going out to buy a coffee during my 4 hours of sitting doing nothing at a desk

i used to sneak off all the time if no one was about. if asked, NEVER admit you weren't there. i usually just said 'oh i was probably walking around school when X didn't see me in the office.'

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« Reply #1975 on: October 25, 2016, 09:13:15 AM »
I have snuck off a few times, but never got turned in. My very first year I taught in Yongin and one of my coworkers, who was in charge of camp, said I could leave once we were done. My actual CoT called me and made me come back while she left for the day, or just didn't even come in. One day I left early and went to Everland with some friends for the winter sledding event. At my second school, my teacher wouldn't let me leave for the doctor, or when my mom came to visit (even when I tried to use the 8 hours early leave thing, so I left when I could.

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« Reply #1976 on: October 25, 2016, 09:28:46 AM »
A little frustrated that the prostitute thread got locked before I had a chance to post a few more rebuttals and responses, but I can totally understand why the mods locked it.

Some people just ruin it for everyone.

In other news, I forgot my key to the teaching office and have to rely on others to let me in today. Sucks, because this is the first time I've done it while each of the other teachers in the office have done it at least 2-3 times this year (without ever a word said about it), and yet they keep acting like this is a big-time-foreigner-only **** up of mine. I haven't hesitated to point out their hypocrisy any time they've attempted to lecture me about it (basically I've been saying, "Hey, yeah, this is the first time I've forgotten my key, but you've forgotten it 3 times and so-and-so has forgotten it twice that many times... this might be a problem for this school, maybe all teachers should be required to check-in/check-out their keys everyday.") -- not going to be anyone's punching bag, I don't even give a shit about their sensibilities.

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« Reply #1977 on: October 25, 2016, 09:42:22 AM »
My hotmail email account which I've had since before the internet was invented is on it's last legs. I keep getting emails from spamsters and the ***** are using my own email address as the sending address somehow (even though it's being sent from their own spam email address) and I can't block them cos it says "you can't block emails from yourself.

Gonna have to begrudgingly shut it down cos the spam emails have taken over and can't be stopped. 

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« Reply #1978 on: October 25, 2016, 09:57:28 AM »
koreans LOVE snitching. has anyone else noticed this?

i got fed up with the whole desk warming thing, too. i remember once getting "told off" for going out to buy a coffee during my 4 hours of sitting doing nothing at a desk

i used to sneak off all the time if no one was about. if asked, NEVER admit you weren't there. i usually just said 'oh i was probably walking around school when X didn't see me in the office.'

Yeah one time I snuck out like 20 minutes early, one of my CoTs (the most useless one, as it turns out) saw me and I'm sure it was her who ratted me out because the next day I'm told (by someone else) that I am not to leave early without approval.  :rolleyes:

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« Reply #1979 on: October 25, 2016, 10:09:46 AM »

Me - Then like an adult, I'll accept the responsibility of my actions, I'm not a child. What if 
       something happened to my wife? What if something happened to you when you sneaked out?
       Do the rules only apply to me?

Claims that he will accept responsibility, refuses to accept responsibility.

Cites the Sewol, still breaks the rules.


Anyways, bit of advice for all of you out there- This is why you bring a 5th of the good stuff (I'm talking XO/Blue Label/etc., a bottle of the decent stuff (Jack) and a nice cosmetic/skin care product for your CT (male or female) back to Korea when you travel overseas and give it to your principal. That way when these situations come up, they just waive their hand and off you go. Between the time you still get paid without having to take days off and the time you save, it usually ends up paying for itself.