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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1940 on: October 25, 2016, 07:53:00 AM »
Had an argument with my CT today. Technically, I was at fault, but I was a bit fed up with her complete hypocrisy.


Hades-esque low blow to bring up Sewol like that. Come on, dude.

After Sewol, people wore their little yellow ribbons and wasted no time in scapegoating the captain to a ridiculous intensity. The captain and the students actions were a symptom of a problem that has never been addressed.
I like to think the hundreds of kids didn't drown for yellow ribbons, but rather is an extremely painful lesson.
Refusing to talk about the underlying issue because it's taboo, is worse than a low blow, in my book and akin to spitting on their graves. I get a bit hot-headed at times, but I wont apologies for bringing that up.

If it was at a dinner table or around a bunch of people, it might be inappropriate, but two adults speaking privately and out of earshot of everyone else is a different story.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1941 on: October 25, 2016, 07:55:37 AM »
I have to be honest- you sound very unprofessional and childish here. Your co-teacher was definitely in the right and you were in the wrong.

No, it sounds like he was within his rights not to go on the field trip, as nobody came forth and said "You have to go because it's in your contract." No, the co-teacher was unprofessional for laying guilt trips on him, simply because she didn't want to go herself and felt it was unfair that a foreigner didn't have to do the things that she has to do.

He was within his rights not to go on the trip, but not to leave work before 4:30. His wife could have waited for him somewhere safer than a bus stop, like a cafe or the place that she works. The CT is saying that if he was going to break the rules and leave work early, it would have been better for everyone if he just went on the trip.

True, but the school she attends is as rural as is gets. The entire school gets locked at 5 and there isn't much in that little myeon besides a school, long road, farmland and a bus stop.

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« Reply #1942 on: October 25, 2016, 07:57:35 AM »
I can sympathize with Aristocrat's situation, especially considereing all the un-official "help" he usually gives his CT, but it sounds like he wanted to have his cake and eat it too.

School trips can be boring, but so is sitting in an empty school. Make your choice and live with it IMO.

I don't get all the criticisms of bringing up the Sewol to make a point. Bringing up a personal tragedy would be low I agree but as someone else said, lessons can be learned from a public one.

I agree, lessons can be learned. But that convo between Aristocrat and his Co-T was not the place for that "learning" to happen. A teacher sitting alone at school is for sure dumb, but not even in the same league as Sewol. Apples and oranges.

If he had wanted to drive home the hypocrisy, he should have focused on all the favors he had done for the co-T. No need to bring up Sewol there.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1943 on: October 25, 2016, 08:17:17 AM »
Had an argument with my CT today. Technically, I was at fault, but I was a bit fed up with her complete hypocrisy.

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Aristocrat! You were so wrong! wrong wrong wrong! I need to tell you how wrong you were!

Waygook, where you can acknowledge that you were at fault and everyone will still jump on you telling you that you were at fault  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1944 on: October 25, 2016, 08:51:05 AM »
It has yet to be brought up, but why didn't you just take early leave?

I have the ability to do that on any day at any time.

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« Reply #1945 on: October 25, 2016, 09:07:35 AM »
koreans LOVE snitching. has anyone else noticed this?

i got fed up with the whole desk warming thing, too. i remember once getting "told off" for going out to buy a coffee during my 4 hours of sitting doing nothing at a desk

i used to sneak off all the time if no one was about. if asked, NEVER admit you weren't there. i usually just said 'oh i was probably walking around school when X didn't see me in the office.'

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« Reply #1946 on: October 25, 2016, 09:13:15 AM »
I have snuck off a few times, but never got turned in. My very first year I taught in Yongin and one of my coworkers, who was in charge of camp, said I could leave once we were done. My actual CoT called me and made me come back while she left for the day, or just didn't even come in. One day I left early and went to Everland with some friends for the winter sledding event. At my second school, my teacher wouldn't let me leave for the doctor, or when my mom came to visit (even when I tried to use the 8 hours early leave thing, so I left when I could.

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« Reply #1947 on: October 25, 2016, 09:28:46 AM »
A little frustrated that the prostitute thread got locked before I had a chance to post a few more rebuttals and responses, but I can totally understand why the mods locked it.

Some people just ruin it for everyone.

In other news, I forgot my key to the teaching office and have to rely on others to let me in today. Sucks, because this is the first time I've done it while each of the other teachers in the office have done it at least 2-3 times this year (without ever a word said about it), and yet they keep acting like this is a big-time-foreigner-only **** up of mine. I haven't hesitated to point out their hypocrisy any time they've attempted to lecture me about it (basically I've been saying, "Hey, yeah, this is the first time I've forgotten my key, but you've forgotten it 3 times and so-and-so has forgotten it twice that many times... this might be a problem for this school, maybe all teachers should be required to check-in/check-out their keys everyday.") -- not going to be anyone's punching bag, I don't even give a shit about their sensibilities.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1948 on: October 25, 2016, 09:42:22 AM »
My hotmail email account which I've had since before the internet was invented is on it's last legs. I keep getting emails from spamsters and the ***** are using my own email address as the sending address somehow (even though it's being sent from their own spam email address) and I can't block them cos it says "you can't block emails from yourself.

Gonna have to begrudgingly shut it down cos the spam emails have taken over and can't be stopped. 

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1949 on: October 25, 2016, 09:57:28 AM »
koreans LOVE snitching. has anyone else noticed this?

i got fed up with the whole desk warming thing, too. i remember once getting "told off" for going out to buy a coffee during my 4 hours of sitting doing nothing at a desk

i used to sneak off all the time if no one was about. if asked, NEVER admit you weren't there. i usually just said 'oh i was probably walking around school when X didn't see me in the office.'

Yeah one time I snuck out like 20 minutes early, one of my CoTs (the most useless one, as it turns out) saw me and I'm sure it was her who ratted me out because the next day I'm told (by someone else) that I am not to leave early without approval.  :rolleyes:

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« Reply #1950 on: October 25, 2016, 10:09:46 AM »

Me - Then like an adult, I'll accept the responsibility of my actions, I'm not a child. What if 
       something happened to my wife? What if something happened to you when you sneaked out?
       Do the rules only apply to me?

Claims that he will accept responsibility, refuses to accept responsibility.

Cites the Sewol, still breaks the rules.


Anyways, bit of advice for all of you out there- This is why you bring a 5th of the good stuff (I'm talking XO/Blue Label/etc., a bottle of the decent stuff (Jack) and a nice cosmetic/skin care product for your CT (male or female) back to Korea when you travel overseas and give it to your principal. That way when these situations come up, they just waive their hand and off you go. Between the time you still get paid without having to take days off and the time you save, it usually ends up paying for itself.

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« Reply #1951 on: October 25, 2016, 11:13:59 AM »
I don't teach on Mondays. Is it dumb that I'm still required to show up 5 days a week? All my lessons were basically planned last year, is it dumb that I can't cut out at 2:30 everyday? I know this is a rant, but you can't expect your actions won't receive scrutiny on this forum.

As for your coteacher, the principal probably came down hard on her for it as it might be assumed that she's somewhat responsible for your behaviour, as unfair and 'dumb' as that sounds. I'm sure she doesn't care at all when you leave, but the principal expected her to relay her own (the principal's) disapproval sternly.
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« Reply #1952 on: October 25, 2016, 11:26:04 AM »
koreans LOVE snitching. has anyone else noticed this?

i got fed up with the whole desk warming thing, too. i remember once getting "told off" for going out to buy a coffee during my 4 hours of sitting doing nothing at a desk

i used to sneak off all the time if no one was about. if asked, NEVER admit you weren't there. i usually just said 'oh i was probably walking around school when X didn't see me in the office.'

Not in my experience. I've literally walked right next to my VP multiple times at lunch as we both walked out to grab a coffee or do banking. No time off needed. She usually asked me whats up, smiled and said goodbye.

I asked my original CT about it and it was always don't ask, don't tell rules apply.
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« Reply #1953 on: October 25, 2016, 11:34:09 AM »
Pet peeve of the day: people who whinge about getting in trouble for ditching the place they're being paid to stay at.  :rolleyes:

I totally agree that it's a total waste of time to be left alone at work with the lights turned out.... but if that's what we're being paid to do...

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« Reply #1954 on: October 25, 2016, 11:47:34 AM »
Pet peeve of the day: people who whinge about getting in trouble for ditching the place they're being paid to stay at.  :rolleyes:

I totally agree that it's a total waste of time to be left alone at work with the lights turned out.... but if that's what we're being paid to do...

4 sure. Nothing defines 1st world problem like getting paid a decent salary to sit around and do nothing.

"I'm going to pay you 150 bucks today+give you a place to sleep+Health Insurance+Pension. All you have to do is show up and do nothing. Heck, you can read or play games or watch movies on the computer. You can probably sneak out 30 minutes early and I still won't care." 4 billion people around the world would shoot someone for a job like that.

People here are actually complaining about being paid decent money to recreate. To recreate! Unbelievable. What planet do these people live on? Have they ever worked a job where sometimes you don't get work or money, either because you are paid hourly or commission or based on sales or whatever?

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« Reply #1955 on: October 25, 2016, 11:51:42 AM »
My 6th grade class of disruptive boys: one boy has become disruptive in a different kind of way and now just outright ruins the production activities (games) for whatever group he's in. He has been off for a few months but most noticeably over the past few weeks and seems just really unhappy when at the beginning of the year he was pretty bubbly even if he was loud and disruptive. KT doesn't seem to care. I don't want to just be yelling at him all the time so give him the option of playing the game nicely or doing a writing task, he says the writing task is better, I ask if he would rather have some kind of writing task each lesson instead of joining the games and he says yes. Okay kid, I'll give you that choice. Wish you told me earlier on tho.

Now to come up with different worksheets with various useful writing tasks for him to do for each period.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1956 on: October 25, 2016, 11:57:38 AM »
A little frustrated that the prostitute thread got locked before I had a chance to post a few more rebuttals and responses, but I can totally understand why the mods locked it.

Some people just ruin it for everyone.

In other news, I forgot my key to the teaching office and have to rely on others to let me in today. Sucks, because this is the first time I've done it while each of the other teachers in the office have done it at least 2-3 times this year (without ever a word said about it), and yet they keep acting like this is a big-time-foreigner-only **** up of mine. I haven't hesitated to point out their hypocrisy any time they've attempted to lecture me about it (basically I've been saying, "Hey, yeah, this is the first time I've forgotten my key, but you've forgotten it 3 times and so-and-so has forgotten it twice that many times... this might be a problem for this school, maybe all teachers should be required to check-in/check-out their keys everyday.") -- not going to be anyone's punching bag, I don't even give a shit about their sensibilities.

Nice to see someone standing up to the powers that be.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1957 on: October 25, 2016, 11:58:49 AM »
Pet peeve of the day: people who whinge about getting in trouble for ditching the place they're being paid to stay at.  :rolleyes:

I totally agree that it's a total waste of time to be left alone at work with the lights turned out.... but if that's what we're being paid to do...

4 sure. Nothing defines 1st world problem like getting paid a decent salary to sit around and do nothing.

"I'm going to pay you 150 bucks today+give you a place to sleep+Health Insurance+Pension. All you have to do is show up and do nothing. Heck, you can read or play games or watch movies on the computer. You can probably sneak out 30 minutes early and I still won't care." 4 billion people around the world would shoot someone for a job like that.

People here are actually complaining about being paid decent money to recreate. To recreate! Unbelievable. What planet do these people live on? Have they ever worked a job where sometimes you don't get work or money, either because you are paid hourly or commission or based on sales or whatever?

For once, I agree with you.

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« Reply #1958 on: October 25, 2016, 12:19:49 PM »
Pet peeve of the day: people who whinge about getting in trouble for ditching the place they're being paid to stay at.  :rolleyes:

I totally agree that it's a total waste of time to be left alone at work with the lights turned out.... but if that's what we're being paid to do...

4 sure. Nothing defines 1st world problem like getting paid a decent salary to sit around and do nothing.

"I'm going to pay you 150 bucks today+give you a place to sleep+Health Insurance+Pension. All you have to do is show up and do nothing. Heck, you can read or play games or watch movies on the computer. You can probably sneak out 30 minutes early and I still won't care." 4 billion people around the world would shoot someone for a job like that.

People here are actually complaining about being paid decent money to recreate. To recreate! Unbelievable. What planet do these people live on? Have they ever worked a job where sometimes you don't get work or money, either because you are paid hourly or commission or based on sales or whatever?

Shout out to my boy DeMartino. Spot on.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1959 on: October 25, 2016, 12:25:12 PM »
A little frustrated that the prostitute thread got locked before I had a chance to post a few more rebuttals and responses, but I can totally understand why the mods locked it.

Some people just ruin it for everyone.

In other news, I forgot my key to the teaching office and have to rely on others to let me in today. Sucks, because this is the first time I've done it while each of the other teachers in the office have done it at least 2-3 times this year (without ever a word said about it), and yet they keep acting like this is a big-time-foreigner-only **** up of mine. I haven't hesitated to point out their hypocrisy any time they've attempted to lecture me about it (basically I've been saying, "Hey, yeah, this is the first time I've forgotten my key, but you've forgotten it 3 times and so-and-so has forgotten it twice that many times... this might be a problem for this school, maybe all teachers should be required to check-in/check-out their keys everyday.") -- not going to be anyone's punching bag, I don't even give a shit about their sensibilities.

Nice to see someone standing up to the powers that be.

You've got to pick and choose your battles, especially around here, but sometimes you've just got to put your foot down. xD If and when you do, though, you can get away with a lot if you phrase yourself right and do it with the right attitude.

Them: "Soandso, the office door had been locked, but the window was left unlocked. You must always keep the window locked."

Me: "Oh, yeah, I agree. So someone left the window unlocked? Who did it? We should find out... maybe one of the students did it."

Them: "... oh, yeah, okay."