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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1920 on: October 24, 2016, 01:07:34 PM »
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Sometimes getting a tattoo or piercing is an act of reclaiming, celebrating, feeling comfortable with one's body. Maybe it's therapy. Maybe someone with anxiety wants to be brave and do something permanent. Your response to tattoos and piercings just shows your privilege, I'd argue. If you haven't had a complicated relationship with your own body, then of course you wouldn't understand getting tattoos or piercings.

This. This is precisely the nonsense I'm talking about when it comes to tattoos. Someone who is getting a tattoo to "Reclaim" themselves or as therapy is someone who is lying to themselves or otherwise not dealing with reality. They've chosen a tattoo instead of asking themselves hard questions and engaging in difficult solutions.

Ha ha, I'm checking my non tattooed privilege - priceless   ;D

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« Reply #1921 on: October 24, 2016, 01:07:34 PM »

I respectfully disagree. It's one thing if you simply think it's dumb (that is your opinion and you are entitled to it), but I think it's silly to compare someone soberly spending one's money (regardless of whatever it is being spent on) versus someone who isn't even in a right state of mind to make a decision due to intoxication/drugs. To actually respect the latter's "decision-making" seems strange to me.

People will spend their money on whatever they want. Everyone's opinion will vary on whether that was money well-spent.

I'll break it down:

A: I got drunk last night to the casino and bet all the money in my pocket on 20 black. Woke up the next day and realized I was a total idiot
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B: I went to the casino with my friends and bet all the money in my pocket on 20 black. I couldn't believe I lost. At least I got some free orange juice.

A: I was drunk at the bar last night and got in a fight with someone because they stepped on my foot. I was an idiot.
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B: I was at A Twosome Place yesterday afternoon and got in a fight with someone because they stepped on my foot. He deserved it.

A: We were drunk and decided to shoot Roman Candles at each other. We were lucky we didn't seriously hurt each other and we didn't hit anyone in that family of 4 near us.
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B: We were having hotdogs and cokes and decided to shoot Roman Candles at each other. That family of four must have had a good laugh at all of us.

At least the drunkards realize the day after that they made a stupid choice. The sober people are either psychotic or are completely lacking in judgment. At least the drunkards are sort of processing reality and can realize they made bad choices that have negative consequences.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1922 on: October 24, 2016, 01:11:24 PM »
Think I stumbled upon your website DeMartino

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« Reply #1923 on: October 24, 2016, 01:19:11 PM »
There's a lot of ageism going on in this thread. Imagine if someone was making reasonable arguments for why they thought, say going to football matches was a waste of time and everyone kept telling them they only held that opinion because they were a woman.

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« Reply #1924 on: October 24, 2016, 01:25:41 PM »
There's a lot of ageism going on in this thread. Imagine if someone was making reasonable arguments for why they thought, say going to football matches was a waste of time and everyone kept telling them they only held that opinion because they were a woman.

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Seriously though, can no one accept the idea that there might be some poor decision making behind getting tattoo or piercing?
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« Reply #1925 on: October 24, 2016, 01:41:01 PM »
I'd say the ageism on this site often cuts both ways. So I'd say if you're young, get out and befriend an old person today! If you're old, try doing something nice for a millennial today! :wink:


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« Reply #1926 on: October 24, 2016, 01:43:31 PM »
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There's a lot of ageism going on in this thread. Imagine if someone was making reasonable arguments for why they thought, say going to football matches was a waste of time and everyone kept telling them they only held that opinion because they were a woman.
Seriously though, can no one accept the idea that there might be some poor decision making behind getting tattoo or piercing?
It's just you come across as someone who is dreadfully out of touch and the things you choose to complain about are that of someone in their golden retirement years.

Like I said previously, over 50% of people born post 1980 have a tattoo. So if it does really annoy you I guess you are going to have to get used to it. They really arent a big deal nowadays. I know that you baby boomers get riled up about the younger generations, but let them have this. It's like when you guys were wearing flares in the 60s, I bet your parents found you guys to be annoying idiots too.

Also, I got my first tattoo when I was 18 and I have expereinced exactly zero negative consequences from it. I usually forget it's even there, but if I do look at it I usually have happy memories of when I was a teenager.
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« Reply #1927 on: October 24, 2016, 01:49:00 PM »
You can't really compare it to wearing flares. One in six people regret getting a tattoo and one in ten spend a lot of money and go through a lot of pain getting them removed. Therefore it's something worth thinking and talking about, whatever your age group.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1928 on: October 24, 2016, 01:51:45 PM »
Well I'll share a little saying that we Millennials have: "YOLO"

And if you and Steelrails are tryng to tell me that i'll regret this wicked Squirtle Pokemon tattoo I got during the summer vacation to show how much Pokemon GO changed me, then you are out of your minds.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1929 on: October 24, 2016, 01:54:47 PM »
There's a lot of ageism going on in this thread. Imagine if someone was making reasonable arguments for why they thought, say going to football matches was a waste of time and everyone kept telling them they only held that opinion because they were a woman.

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Seriously though, can no one accept the idea that there might be some poor decision making behind getting tattoo or piercing?

Some people think that premarital sex is poor decision-making. Some people think that having children under any circumstances is poor decision-making. Only people who agree with you are going to agree with you. People who are happy with their decisions are not going to have their minds changed by you.

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« Reply #1930 on: October 24, 2016, 01:58:38 PM »
@demartino

I can follow your line of thinking, but I feel like drunkards would have already known beforehand that they would most likely make stupid decisions while under the influence. They probably know they're not going to make the best decisions but they go ahead and get drunk anyway. One could just as well argue that they are lacking in judgement.

I don't feel like getting tattoos/piercings vs drunken decision making are comparable things, but that's just my opinion of course. There are even people who soberly get tattoos who regret them later. There are also many people who don't regret their body modification.

And I think someone who would get in a fight over having one's foot stepped on definitely lacks poor judgement and probably has anger issues. But that kind of mental issue isn't representative of all people who get piercings and/or tattoos nor even of all people who get stepped on.

If you think it's stupid, that's fine, but to believe any kind of body modification is caused by mental instability? It's just a matter of preference.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1931 on: October 24, 2016, 02:03:26 PM »
There's a lot of ageism going on in this thread. Imagine if someone was making reasonable arguments for why they thought, say going to football matches was a waste of time and everyone kept telling them they only held that opinion because they were a woman.

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Seriously though, can no one accept the idea that there might be some poor decision making behind getting tattoo or piercing?

You can say that for pretty much anything, though, which is why a blanket statement like people getting piercings and tattoos are sad "grown adults who [are] still passive-aggressively rebelling against their parents into their late 20s" is an incredibly dumb one. Also, the key word is "might." There "might" have been some poor decision-making, or there "might" not have been. You don't know until you ask so before you do, you "might" be better off holding back on the judgement.

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« Reply #1932 on: October 24, 2016, 02:06:08 PM »
It's persimmon season...
I had never had a persimmon before coming to Korea and I didn't know what they were. A few months into my first year, Emart had a sale of the soft ones, but they were wrapped in the package upside down. I hadn't bought any tomatoes since coming because they seemed so expensive from what I was used to so I bought these, thinking that they were tomatoes. I got them home and started cutting them up to cook with, and even though I thought they seemed really weird, I kept on and made a savory pasta sauce with them. I never got over that and I don't like persimmons now...

Have you tried the frozen ones? They are nice.

I also had never tried persimmons and didn't like their weird stringy jellyness at first. Now I love them.

The soft persimmons I'm okay with but I can barely tolerate the hard persimmons. And I've already been gifted a big bagful. Fortunately I can pawn them off on a friend who actually likes 'em  :laugh:

I hate persimmons but if I eat them I definitely prefer the hard ones. :laugh: The soft ones have a gross texture. :cry:

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« Reply #1933 on: October 24, 2016, 02:07:42 PM »
don't have tattoos myself. got nothing against them though. been thinking of getting one for years but could never settle on a design i liked. for me it would be more just because i love some of the tattoo artwork, not because of anything meaningful.

that said, i think some people really need to evaluate where they get their tattoos. getting tattoos on your neck that can't be covered by a collar, on your hands/fingers, or places like that, is just not good.

you can rant and rave about how people shouldn't judge a book by it's cover, how it's the 21st century and people should be more progressive and blah blah blah, but at the end of the day everyone needs to exist in society, and there are still some conservative people out there.

if you applied for a job and DeMartino was the one interviewing you and you came in with your neck and hand tattoos you probably wouldn't get hired. as just one example. and then you could say all the things that people have said in this thread but it still wouldn't change the fact that your tattoos have cost you a job, no matter how unfair you think it is.

and i think people really need to choose their artists carefully, and not be afraid to pay good money for it. i've seen the difference between cheap tattoos done by crappy artists and more expensive tattoos done by great artists and they're worlds apart. this thing is going to be on your body for your whole life so it's really not an area to skimp on when it comes to payment.

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« Reply #1934 on: October 24, 2016, 02:10:54 PM »
don't have tattoos myself. got nothing against them though. been thinking of getting one for years but could never settle on a design i liked. for me it would be more just because i love some of the tattoo artwork, not because of anything meaningful.

that said, i think some people really need to evaluate where they get their tattoos. getting tattoos on your neck that can't be covered by a collar, on your hands/fingers, or places like that, is just not good.

you can rant and rave about how people shouldn't judge a book by it's cover, how it's the 21st century and people should be more progressive and blah blah blah, but at the end of the day everyone needs to exist in society, and there are still some conservative people out there.

if you applied for a job and DeMartino was the one interviewing you and you came in with your neck and hand tattoos you probably wouldn't get hired. as just one example. and then you could say all the things that people have said in this thread but it still wouldn't change the fact that your tattoos have cost you a job, no matter how unfair you think it is.

and i think people really need to choose their artists carefully, and not be afraid to pay good money for it. i've seen the difference between cheap tattoos done by crappy artists and more expensive tattoos done by great artists and they're worlds apart. this thing is going to be on your body for your whole life so it's really not an area to skimp on when it comes to payment.

Oh, I definitely agree that people should really give tattoos a lot, seriously a lot, of consideration before getting them and that location should really be taken seriously, and I agree that if you have a tattoo on your face or neck or somewhere really visible, then you should have known what you were getting into before applying for that job, but it's equally fruitless to complain that people get them at all.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1935 on: October 24, 2016, 02:18:00 PM »
Like I said previously, over 50% of people born post 1980 have a tattoo.

It's not the majority; it just seems that way. Still a lot though. Roughly one out of three.

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« Reply #1936 on: October 24, 2016, 02:18:00 PM »
sigh my post got lost in the ether

it was just about how demartino has no idea what having a complicated relationship with your body means lol

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« Reply #1937 on: October 24, 2016, 02:20:54 PM »
I have six open classes on Thursday, apparently. I'm not particularly concerned or anything, since I'm fairly confident in my teaching abilities, but it's still something that gives my eyes reason to roll a little. I can't help but wonder if any of my coworkers knew about this schedule prior to today.

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« Reply #1938 on: October 24, 2016, 02:25:39 PM »
If you think it's stupid, that's fine, but to believe any kind of body modification is caused by mental instability? It's just a matter of preference.

Like I said, I'm not 100% against tattoos or piercings. I get tattoos for serious life events. I get the small little nose dot piercing. Heck, I understand getting a strange piercing if its for sexual pleasure or if you're seriously out of the loop in society and tattoos or piercings are your thing. We know the difference between someone who gets a tattoo to remember their dead brother on their chest or maybe a belly button pierced and calls it a day vs. the people who go all out to the point they have to start covering it up/taking it out simply to get employed.

I'm just trying to get the mindset and decision making process that went through something like getting your septum pierced or getting a massive sleeve and then being upset/concerned about that affecting your job and functioning in general society and the real world. That and wondering why someone reaches such a conclusion in the first place that that is something they want to do. Most of the answers have some sort of element of futile rebellion/non-conformity or shock value or for attention or what essentially amounts to using it as a mask for lack of fun or whatever in one's life. I suspect if you really dug deep, many people who did it have some psychological stuff going on behind that decision, potentially serious.

I guess I understand if you did it while you were young and stupid. That's what young people do- stupid stuff. But if you're pushing into your 30s, it's a bit like getting flashy rims on your car so people will look at you. I mean, if you're hardcore into fixing up cars, yeah that makes sense. If you're doing it as some sort of passive-aggressive "look at me" while blasting your bass? Grow up.


It's just you come across as someone who is dreadfully out of touch and the things you choose to complain about are that of someone in their golden retirement years.

Like I said previously, over 50% of people born post 1980 have a tattoo. So if it does really annoy you I guess you are going to have to get used to it. They really arent a big deal nowadays. I know that you baby boomers get riled up about the younger generations, but let them have this. It's like when you guys were wearing flares in the 60s, I bet your parents found you guys to be annoying idiots too.

Also, I got my first tattoo when I was 18 and I have expereinced exactly zero negative consequences from it. I usually forget it's even there, but if I do look at it I usually have happy memories of when I was a teenager.

It's not being out of touch. Not understanding smartphones is out of touch. I think it's legitimate to ask why someone would permanently disfiguring themself in a way that will not improve with age. Just because a lot of young people are doing it, doesn't mean it is a good idea. It's nice that these young people have all their tattoos and piercings. What about when you're pushing 60?   What about when you have to worry about it affecting your employment and the perceptions of coworkers, clients, and so on? Isn't it legitimate to question the judgment of someone who makes such a potentially impulsive, emotional, and poorly thought-out decision? This is especially true with people who seem to be addicted to them.

Also, I'm not a boomer. I was born in the early 80s.

sigh my post got lost in the ether

it was just about how demartino has no idea what having a complicated relationship with your body means lol

Odds are- 1st world problems. Unless you're disabled in a wheel chair or have cystic fibrosis, whatever complicated relationship you have is either under your power to change and/or made up in your head.

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« Reply #1939 on: October 24, 2016, 02:26:08 PM »
I have six open classes on Thursday, apparently. I'm not particularly concerned or anything, since I'm fairly confident in my teaching abilities, but it's still something that gives my eyes reason to roll a little. I can't help but wonder if any of my coworkers knew about this schedule prior to today.

You should be concerned and you should not be confident. What is this confidence you speak of? That simply means that you don't care. Do you not care about the children? Do you not care about their education?! DO YOU NOT CARE ABOUT ANYTHING AT ALL?!?!?!?!?!?!

Also, I have an open class next week with the same co-teacher that never checks with me about grammar and ends up teaching the wrong thing in class because he tries to be smart. He only asks me questions when there is an open class coming up and he wants me to memorise a script which we then rehearse over and over and over and if I get one word wrong, he will stop me, correct me, and have me do it over so that I get it right. Honestly, I'm more stressed about the script than the open class itself. UGH.

 



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