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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1700 on: October 17, 2016, 11:01:06 AM »
I'm not at my main school on Fridays and whoever uses the English room then wrecks the place every week without fail. Last week, they left the door wide open. This week, every desk and chair has been haphazardly pushed up against the wall (after I painstakingly rearranged everything last Thursday) and the lights were left on all weekend. During the summer, the air conditioning was left on all weekend a number of times. I mention this to my co-teacher every week. Nothing changes. If anything ever goes missing or gets broken, I can imagine who's going to get the blame.

I've been left in such a "lurch" before. (couldn't help myself :angel:) The before-school dance program practices in the English room and always moves desks around to make space but then leaves the room 5 minutes before my first students arrive without reordering the desks. Also, the new Korean after-school teacher we have here doesn't seem to have any class management skills/concern as she can't even prevent the 5 students she has in her program from unlocking the closet and pulling out the wheeled chairs (that I put in there for the very purpose of them not messing around with them) to play bumper cars with, or riding the book dolly three-at-a-time around the room. I'm waiting for the day I walk in and see the glass doors shattered all over the floor. I made sure to mention what I saw to a coteacher, not because I expect anything to be done about it, but at least I can be on the record for expressing concern for that behavior.

On Lurch's issue, I had the same exact problem at a previous school. It was supposed to be my classroom for my sole use, but someone was coming into the classroom and using it for whatever while I wasn't there and leaving little messes behind. The worst thing was the A/C, though -- whoever it was kept leaving it on, and the school was blaming me for it. I kept getting lectured about it and my coT even got into the habit of showing up in the classroom before I left to remind me to turn off the A/C. No matter how many times I told them that I wasn't the one leaving it on and no matter how many times I complained about the messes getting left in my classroom, they never listened. It wasn't until I left my spare phone in there to record for one day I wasn't at the school that I finally had proof (as an adult, why do I need to provide proof for something like this, especially since they'd find the A/C left on overnight from a previous day that I was not at the school at all?). Turned out to be some students who had learned to rig the lock so that they could get into the classroom during lunch and break periods. Showed my coT, headteacher and VP the video, and they promptly had the knob and lock replaced. Never apologized, but they also never accused me of anything again.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1701 on: October 17, 2016, 11:12:42 AM »
[/b] Why care about anything? Life goes on with or without you.
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People who win Nobel prizes need black fans and white fans.

My rant a the beginning was about The Beatles and Dylan in general and people who think they're (and rock music) are the greatest thing since sliced bread and the histrionics that ensue when you don't care for them. Sorry, they just aren't as good as you think they are.

As far as the Nobel Prize in Literature, which is one step away from the Peace Prize in being a sham, I'm not into much modern literature so I wouldn't be qualified, only that based on Dylan's lyrics, I don't see the level of brilliance that would earn him a Nobel. I don't think you need worldwide appeal, as literature can address a persons individual issues rather than global issues, but to say that "The world has been influenced by Bob Dylan and the world loves his music" is ridiculous.

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Yeah, let's factor this into someone who writes literature, only this. It can't just be a great song or poem IT NEEDS TO ADDRESS AMERICAN RACE RELATIONS OVERTLY.   
The problem isn't that white people like Bob Dylan more than other people, that's fine. It's when people start to equate their love for Bob Dylan with some sort of universal appeal. It's when they make the story of the Civil Rights movement be about white people changing their mind, in large part thanks to people like Bob Dylan. The Beatles and Bob Dylan are not as universal and global as you think they are.

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. Therefore, he doesn't deserve an award. Waygook would be where it is right ow without you, too.

Well usually Nobel prizes should go to something truly innovative and revolutionary. Bob Dylan contributed NOTHING to music. I hope you realize that. He may have contributed to artistry and culture, but musically he contributed NOTHING.

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Therefore, he can't WRITE great prose
He's famous for his lyrics, which frankly aren't THAT great. Are they better than average Beach Boys stuff? Sure. Does that raise them to a truly legendary level? Nope.

In 100 years, one or two Bob Dylan songs might remain and no one will give a crap about him.

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And they would be getting a Nobel in his place.

Speaks to what a washed out hack job the Nobel Prize has become, not their virtue as pillars of literature.

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When your local station's 'Battle of the Old School' is happening on Sat. nights, do you think it's Bob Dylan vs. Jimi Hendrix? Yes

Omg...

Battle of the Old School would be the Temptations vs. The Four Tops. Marvin Gay vs. Smokey Robinson. Cincinnati vs. Motown. The Supremes vs. Martha & the Vandellas. Aretha Franklin vs. Patti Labelle. Maybe Hawkins vs. Winans

There would be no Dylan and Hendrix.

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Being listened to by Black Americans makes you universal.

Not being listened to by Black Americans and Africa and being a "meh presence outside of the Anglo world means you are not universal. Anglo does not equal universal. It's not that white or Anglo is bad, just stop calling it universal and thinking everything starts and stops with it.

You don't have to apologize for it or feel bad over it, just have some perspective. I like niche music. EDM is global and it ranks near the bottom with Smooth Jazz for me. I just know when something is truly universal and has worldwide appeal and when its fans perhaps overstate its global popularity ala Kpop. Is Bob Dylan an international star? Yes. Is he the voice of the world when it comes to music? Hell no. As I've said time and time again, I think that has to go to Michael Jackson. I'm not sure who comes after Michael. Probably Bob Marley and then maybe Lennon/McCartney. After that? Maybe Madonna. Then, and I know people will disagree, it's probably Snoop Dogg (simply as the most recognized person in rap, probably the most influential genre in the last 30 years), then maybe Kanye as loathe as I am to say it, then perhaps Dylan. Maybe Cher, Stevie Wonder, and Bono would round out the Top 10, talking popular music of the last 50 years.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1702 on: October 17, 2016, 11:54:20 AM »
Open classes for Korean teachers this week.  CT casually drops in that she's chosen our class as her open class (as opposed to the class she teaches alone).

There's a surprise.  No planning or preparation for her to do but she can reap the rewards of my hard work.

I point out that it's not fair that she's evaluated for work that isn't hers (third year in a row this has happened and I'm getting tired of scoring high points for other people). 

Cue a quick huddle and quiet discussion of teachers, then an explanation to me that open classes aren't important and that no one cares.

I'd quite like to stay another year but I don't know how to stop my head from exploding when stuff like this happens.  Any tips?  :laugh:

This sounds like a great way to have your coteacher hate you for the rest of the year.

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« Reply #1703 on: October 17, 2016, 12:07:58 PM »
Open classes for Korean teachers this week.  CT casually drops in that she's chosen our class as her open class (as opposed to the class she teaches alone).

There's a surprise.  No planning or preparation for her to do but she can reap the rewards of my hard work.

I point out that it's not fair that she's evaluated for work that isn't hers (third year in a row this has happened and I'm getting tired of scoring high points for other people). 

Cue a quick huddle and quiet discussion of teachers, then an explanation to me that open classes aren't important and that no one cares.

I'd quite like to stay another year but I don't know how to stop my head from exploding when stuff like this happens.  Any tips?  :laugh:
I take it as a compliment when they ask to do their open-class with me, as they have other options.

I know this is a rant/vent thread, but a rethink might not be such a bad idea.

We most definitely view this situation differently, as imitation is flattery.

Think about it, if she thought your class was "crap" she wouldn't my jumping on your train.
« Last Edit: October 17, 2016, 12:59:43 PM by Pecan »

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1704 on: October 17, 2016, 12:13:30 PM »
[/b] Why care about anything? Life goes on with or without you.
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People who win Nobel prizes need black fans and white fans.

My rant a the beginning was about The Beatles and Dylan in general and people who think they're (and rock music) are the greatest thing since sliced bread and the histrionics that ensue when you don't care for them. Sorry, they just aren't as good as you think they are.

As far as the Nobel Prize in Literature, which is one step away from the Peace Prize in being a sham, I'm not into much modern literature so I wouldn't be qualified, only that based on Dylan's lyrics, I don't see the level of brilliance that would earn him a Nobel. I don't think you need worldwide appeal, as literature can address a persons individual issues rather than global issues, but to say that "The world has been influenced by Bob Dylan and the world loves his music" is ridiculous.

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Yeah, let's factor this into someone who writes literature, only this. It can't just be a great song or poem IT NEEDS TO ADDRESS AMERICAN RACE RELATIONS OVERTLY.   
The problem isn't that white people like Bob Dylan more than other people, that's fine. It's when people start to equate their love for Bob Dylan with some sort of universal appeal. It's when they make the story of the Civil Rights movement be about white people changing their mind, in large part thanks to people like Bob Dylan. The Beatles and Bob Dylan are not as universal and global as you think they are.

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. Therefore, he doesn't deserve an award. Waygook would be where it is right ow without you, too.

Well usually Nobel prizes should go to something truly innovative and revolutionary. Bob Dylan contributed NOTHING to music. I hope you realize that. He may have contributed to artistry and culture, but musically he contributed NOTHING.

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Therefore, he can't WRITE great prose
He's famous for his lyrics, which frankly aren't THAT great. Are they better than average Beach Boys stuff? Sure. Does that raise them to a truly legendary level? Nope.

In 100 years, one or two Bob Dylan songs might remain and no one will give a crap about him.

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And they would be getting a Nobel in his place.

Speaks to what a washed out hack job the Nobel Prize has become, not their virtue as pillars of literature.

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When your local station's 'Battle of the Old School' is happening on Sat. nights, do you think it's Bob Dylan vs. Jimi Hendrix? Yes

Omg...

Battle of the Old School would be the Temptations vs. The Four Tops. Marvin Gay vs. Smokey Robinson. Cincinnati vs. Motown. The Supremes vs. Martha & the Vandellas. Aretha Franklin vs. Patti Labelle. Maybe Hawkins vs. Winans

There would be no Dylan and Hendrix.

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Being listened to by Black Americans makes you universal.

Not being listened to by Black Americans and Africa and being a "meh presence outside of the Anglo world means you are not universal. Anglo does not equal universal. It's not that white or Anglo is bad, just stop calling it universal and thinking everything starts and stops with it.

You don't have to apologize for it or feel bad over it, just have some perspective. I like niche music. EDM is global and it ranks near the bottom with Smooth Jazz for me. I just know when something is truly universal and has worldwide appeal and when its fans perhaps overstate its global popularity ala Kpop. Is Bob Dylan an international star? Yes. Is he the voice of the world when it comes to music? Hell no. As I've said time and time again, I think that has to go to Michael Jackson. I'm not sure who comes after Michael. Probably Bob Marley and then maybe Lennon/McCartney. After that? Maybe Madonna. Then, and I know people will disagree, it's probably Snoop Dogg (simply as the most recognized person in rap, probably the most influential genre in the last 30 years), then maybe Kanye as loathe as I am to say it, then perhaps Dylan. Maybe Cher, Stevie Wonder, and Bono would round out the Top 10, talking popular music of the last 50 years.

Yikes.

How many Nobel winners can you name and how many have you read?

A Nobel winner doesn't need to be someone known by everyone. It's probably better if it's someone who isn't well known and deserves more recognition.

A Nobel is usually given to someone who, in addition to pushing boundaries within their given genre, also has some social and cultural impact. Or maybe it's just the latter.

I think it's cool that a musician won the Nobel Prize for Lit. That's a good precedent.

Bob Dylan deserves recognition, but probably someone less well known would have been better. Then the prize would have achieved some material good. More people in America learning about a non-American writer, for example.

I don't think it's that important, really. Awards are subjective and mostly meaningless. No one likes American Beauty anymore. I think the committee did a good thing, but could have done a better thing.

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« Reply #1705 on: October 17, 2016, 12:15:24 PM »
I'm reminded of why I don't bother speaking any Korean at elem. school. My middle schools? Totally fine, everyone is chill and supportive. Elem? My coT gets annoying about it either (WOW you know how to say this simple WORD?? Wow! You know this is [insert same food we've had multiple times over the course of this year and that I've already told you multiple times before that I had growing up as my mother cooked both Korean and American food]??!) or she/other teachers get overly involved saying that what I said was incorrect or a phrase that doesn't exist at all and that no, it can't be a regional difference because x region and y region are the same. (Which they're not...)

Even though I know what I said is an existing phrase. It's one thing to say I didn't use it correctly, it's another to say it doesn't exist entirely.  :undecided: I also said the exact same thing at my middle school literally the other day and my coworker understood perfectly.

Then as the non-English teacher tries to teach me a new phrase, my coT starts going "oh, I think it's too hard." The same coddling attitude she has for the students in class.  :rolleyes: >:(

Can I just work full time at my middle schools?  :cry:

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« Reply #1706 on: October 17, 2016, 12:39:29 PM »
Open classes for Korean teachers this week.  CT casually drops in that she's chosen our class as her open class (as opposed to the class she teaches alone).

There's a surprise.  No planning or preparation for her to do but she can reap the rewards of my hard work.

I point out that it's not fair that she's evaluated for work that isn't hers (third year in a row this has happened and I'm getting tired of scoring high points for other people). 

Cue a quick huddle and quiet discussion of teachers, then an explanation to me that open classes aren't important and that no one cares.

I'd quite like to stay another year but I don't know how to stop my head from exploding when stuff like this happens.  Any tips?  :laugh:
I take it as a compliment when they ask to due their open-class with me, as they have other options.

I know this is a rant/vent thread, but a rethink might not be such a bad idea.

We most definitely view this situation differently, as imitation is flattery.

Think about it, if she thought your class was "crap" she wouldn't my jumping on your train.

That's something I never considered; good point!

This sounds like a great way to have your coteacher hate you for the rest of the year.

Another fair point but I'm usually very, very relaxed, pleasant and polite to her and all my CTs.  As I've said before, they get a very easy ride because I do all the work and it would be nice to get a little respect back from them (in the form of being attentive and helping at least a little during my classes).

Sometimes I can't hold my tongue and have to "speak frankly"  :wink:


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« Reply #1707 on: October 17, 2016, 12:56:11 PM »
Open classes for Korean teachers this week.  CT casually drops in that she's chosen our class as her open class (as opposed to the class she teaches alone).

There's a surprise.  No planning or preparation for her to do but she can reap the rewards of my hard work.

I point out that it's not fair that she's evaluated for work that isn't hers (third year in a row this has happened and I'm getting tired of scoring high points for other people). 

Cue a quick huddle and quiet discussion of teachers, then an explanation to me that open classes aren't important and that no one cares.

I'd quite like to stay another year but I don't know how to stop my head from exploding when stuff like this happens.  Any tips?  :laugh:

They aren't important and no one cares. Simple as that. They're a facade. The score is given no consideration to your teaching ability. It's a you scratch my back I'll scratch yours set up. You or your CT will get 99/100 and they will reciprocate the other teachers.

Haha yea that's probably true!  Although I remember last year one teacher was distraught over the feedback and scores from other teachers.

I just hate the casual nature of passing off my work as theirs.  That "well I don't have to worry about it because The Arm will do it" attitude.  I'd be more forgiving if they actually did something during my lessons other than wonder around in a trance, chatting to students. 

It seems that KETs are the group that benefit the most from NETs being here!

Make a fake lesson plan to bring with you to the lesson, get your co-teacher to lead the lesson (since it is her open class - if she doesn't agree to that, pretend she was going to lead it, and get really confused if she doesn't), and whenever she gets you to do an activity / say some words, pretend it isn't part of the lesson / that you don't know the activity. Have your fake lesson plan, and say this is what you were given.

(Now I'm not saying you *should* do something like this, as it would be pretty unprofessional, but... it would be nice to do something like that if she isn't pleasant / is just mooching off your efforts)

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« Reply #1708 on: October 17, 2016, 01:01:21 PM »
I know its a little thing, but man does it grind my gears when you make the students do something and they do it so grudgingly, saying 아이씨 and 진짜 the whole time.

I don't know the Korean, but it sounds like my last class of today. They are preparing a presentation for next week. Only 2 students done something, the rest of the time they were just yelling and running around; and where is the co-teacher? Laughing and chatting with them and encouraging the behaviour. >.< When I tried to get them to do something, they would start, and start being Yahoo's again once I move to the next group. >.< - this was grade 2 middle as well. >.<

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« Reply #1709 on: October 17, 2016, 01:18:48 PM »
I have some students (some in grade 3, some in grade 1) that sometimes get looks on their faces that clearly express "아이씨" or "진짜" but they're at least polite enough not to say it aloud.

The sentiment is still clearly there though. One kid I know gets frustrated because he's the best in the class at English but is in the same class as a kid who can't read along with others who read slowly. Finding the balance is difficult

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« Reply #1710 on: October 17, 2016, 01:25:05 PM »
Open classes for Korean teachers this week.  CT casually drops in that she's chosen our class as her open class (as opposed to the class she teaches alone).

There's a surprise.  No planning or preparation for her to do but she can reap the rewards of my hard work.

I point out that it's not fair that she's evaluated for work that isn't hers (third year in a row this has happened and I'm getting tired of scoring high points for other people). 

Cue a quick huddle and quiet discussion of teachers, then an explanation to me that open classes aren't important and that no one cares.

I'd quite like to stay another year but I don't know how to stop my head from exploding when stuff like this happens.  Any tips?  :laugh:
I take it as a compliment when they ask to due their open-class with me, as they have other options.

I know this is a rant/vent thread, but a rethink might not be such a bad idea.

We most definitely view this situation differently, as imitation is flattery.

Think about it, if she thought your class was "crap" she wouldn't my jumping on your train.

That's something I never considered; good point!

This sounds like a great way to have your coteacher hate you for the rest of the year.

Another fair point but I'm usually very, very relaxed, pleasant and polite to her and all my CTs.  As I've said before, they get a very easy ride because I do all the work and it would be nice to get a little respect back from them (in the form of being attentive and helping at least a little during my classes).

Sometimes I can't hold my tongue and have to "speak frankly"  :wink:

I completely understand your frustration... however you have to think of the cost-reward basis to this action. Korean's really don't like confrontation, and by confronting her and telling her she is "lazy," essentially one of the worst traits in confusionism, you have made an enemy and possibly drama in the workplace. Also, you embarrassed her in front of her peers.

I am sure you are a great teacher and created a great open class and your students will appreciate it. Instead, maybe you could politely ask her to help you make a power-point or prop next time?

Anyway, Monday is almost over... :cry:

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« Reply #1711 on: October 17, 2016, 01:29:46 PM »
Can it be Wednesday yet? So I can just be at my middle schools?

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« Reply #1712 on: October 17, 2016, 01:34:45 PM »
Open classes for Korean teachers this week.  CT casually drops in that she's chosen our class as her open class (as opposed to the class she teaches alone).

There's a surprise.  No planning or preparation for her to do but she can reap the rewards of my hard work.

I point out that it's not fair that she's evaluated for work that isn't hers (third year in a row this has happened and I'm getting tired of scoring high points for other people). 

Cue a quick huddle and quiet discussion of teachers, then an explanation to me that open classes aren't important and that no one cares.

I'd quite like to stay another year but I don't know how to stop my head from exploding when stuff like this happens.  Any tips?  :laugh:
I take it as a compliment when they ask to due their open-class with me, as they have other options.

I know this is a rant/vent thread, but a rethink might not be such a bad idea.

We most definitely view this situation differently, as imitation is flattery.

Think about it, if she thought your class was "crap" she wouldn't my jumping on your train.

That's something I never considered; good point!

This sounds like a great way to have your coteacher hate you for the rest of the year.

Another fair point but I'm usually very, very relaxed, pleasant and polite to her and all my CTs.  As I've said before, they get a very easy ride because I do all the work and it would be nice to get a little respect back from them (in the form of being attentive and helping at least a little during my classes).

Sometimes I can't hold my tongue and have to "speak frankly"  :wink:

How many sick days do you have?  Maybe that day could be the day you see the doctor about that niggling little problem that you may or may not have....

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« Reply #1713 on: October 17, 2016, 01:43:30 PM »
Open classes for Korean teachers this week.  CT casually drops in that she's chosen our class as her open class (as opposed to the class she teaches alone).

There's a surprise.  No planning or preparation for her to do but she can reap the rewards of my hard work.

I point out that it's not fair that she's evaluated for work that isn't hers (third year in a row this has happened and I'm getting tired of scoring high points for other people). 

Cue a quick huddle and quiet discussion of teachers, then an explanation to me that open classes aren't important and that no one cares.

I'd quite like to stay another year but I don't know how to stop my head from exploding when stuff like this happens.  Any tips?  :laugh:
I take it as a compliment when they ask to due their open-class with me, as they have other options.

I know this is a rant/vent thread, but a rethink might not be such a bad idea.

We most definitely view this situation differently, as imitation is flattery.

Think about it, if she thought your class was "crap" she wouldn't my jumping on your train.

That's something I never considered; good point!

This sounds like a great way to have your coteacher hate you for the rest of the year.

Another fair point but I'm usually very, very relaxed, pleasant and polite to her and all my CTs.  As I've said before, they get a very easy ride because I do all the work and it would be nice to get a little respect back from them (in the form of being attentive and helping at least a little during my classes).

Sometimes I can't hold my tongue and have to "speak frankly"  :wink:

How many sick days do you have?  Maybe that day could be the day you see the doctor about that niggling little problem that you may or may not have....

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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« Reply #1714 on: October 17, 2016, 01:57:28 PM »
Open classes for Korean teachers this week.  CT casually drops in that she's chosen our class as her open class (as opposed to the class she teaches alone).

There's a surprise.  No planning or preparation for her to do but she can reap the rewards of my hard work.

I point out that it's not fair that she's evaluated for work that isn't hers (third year in a row this has happened and I'm getting tired of scoring high points for other people). 

Cue a quick huddle and quiet discussion of teachers, then an explanation to me that open classes aren't important and that no one cares.

I'd quite like to stay another year but I don't know how to stop my head from exploding when stuff like this happens.  Any tips?  :laugh:
I take it as a compliment when they ask to do their open-class with me, as they have other options.

I know this is a rant/vent thread, but a rethink might not be such a bad idea.

We most definitely view this situation differently, as imitation is flattery.

Think about it, if she thought your class was "crap" she wouldn't my jumping on your train.

The teachers at your school are 100% correct, open classes don't count for squat.

Earlier this year, one of my CTs had not only the most catastrophic open classes I've ever seen, but arguably the worst class I'd ever seen. The degree to which she f***ed up was biblical. She'd just returned from 2 months of teacher training in New Zealand and 4 months at a Korean University. The open class was attended by about 20 teachers from different schools in the city, the VP, the principal, as well as 2 officials from the MOE and one from the POE. It was her chance to show what she'd learned. Here's a brief summary of what happened, luckily, I was only observing:

(5th grade class of 8 students)

- The students have conversations while she's talking
- She speaks in broken English
- The students shout "몰라요!" at her
- Everyone is talking and shouting at the same time
- She tries to drill the vocab. and key expression, the students don't want to cooperate, some
  start punching each other, others put their heads down and others are drawing on the desk.
- She lines the students up for a game
- Nobody, including myself understands her instructions for the activity
- The students quickly get bored and start running around the classroom, chasing each other
   and throwing things.
- She spends 15min chasing students around the class, trying to get them to put the plushy
  toys they're hitting eachother with back, and explaining the rules of the game.
- Eventually, she gets through one quick round of the game by playing it for them and telling
  them what to say, word for word. They either mumble the key expressions or mock her by
  trying to mimic her voice, while speaking. 
- She decides to start activity 2. In the middle of explaining the instructions, the bell rings.
- In an effort to redeem herself, she tries to review the key expressions from the students.
  The simply shout 몰라요! 몰라요! to everything she says.

Throughout the ordeal, I was watching the reactions of the audience.
The principal and VP looked furious. The other teachers, POE and MOE were looking anywhere but straight ahead.

After a few nervous moments, cheers and applause!
Apparently, my CT got full marks.

I understand your feelings and I too guard the material I've made. I'll only give lessons to CTs who help me, during lessons. Depending on your personality, simply giving your materials to this CT might save you some trouble, but it would upset and frustrate someone like me, especially if I did it on a regular basis. Ultimately, I'd begin to hate my workplace.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1715 on: October 17, 2016, 02:04:17 PM »
open classes don't count for squat.

They're a good excuse for a pat-yourself-on-the-back huishik after weeks of nerve-wracking preparation. :afro:

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1716 on: October 18, 2016, 08:16:59 AM »
Open class today. I get to my classroom a little bit early. Move all the desks. Clean up a little bit. Get all my materials out and ready. Stand at the front of the classroom, looking good and ready for anything. Five minutes go by. Nobody shows up. No students, no teachers, no parents. Fifteen minutes and the homeroom teacher of my open class shows up. The students are practicing for a festival in a couple of weeks or something. Zero people showed up to my open class. Why did I prepare again?

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1717 on: October 18, 2016, 08:31:07 AM »
I have some students (some in grade 3, some in grade 1) that sometimes get looks on their faces that clearly express "아이씨" or "진짜" but they're at least polite enough not to say it aloud.

The sentiment is still clearly there though. One kid I know gets frustrated because he's the best in the class at English but is in the same class as a kid who can't read along with others who read slowly. Finding the balance is difficult
Well this was because they didn't bring their notebooks and talked the entire period, completely disregarding the entire lesson.

I know its a little thing, but man does it grind my gears when you make the students do something and they do it so grudgingly, saying 아이씨 and 진짜 the whole time.

I don't know the Korean, but it sounds like my last class of today. They are preparing a presentation for next week. Only 2 students done something, the rest of the time they were just yelling and running around; and where is the co-teacher? Laughing and chatting with them and encouraging the behaviour. >.< When I tried to get them to do something, they would start, and start being Yahoo's again once I move to the next group. >.< - this was grade 2 middle as well. >.<
It basically means "Really, I can't believe they are making me do this." But rudely.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1718 on: October 18, 2016, 11:53:11 AM »

How many Nobel winners can you name and how many have you read?

A Nobel winner doesn't need to be someone known by everyone. It's probably better if it's someone who isn't well known and deserves more recognition.

A Nobel is usually given to someone who, in addition to pushing boundaries within their given genre, also has some social and cultural impact. Or maybe it's just the latter.

I think it's cool that a musician won the Nobel Prize for Lit. That's a good precedent.

Bob Dylan deserves recognition, but probably someone less well known would have been better. Then the prize would have achieved some material good. More people in America learning about a non-American writer, for example.

I don't think it's that important, really. Awards are subjective and mostly meaningless. No one likes American Beauty anymore. I think the committee did a good thing, but could have done a better thing.

Well that's certainly a balanced view that I could go along with.

I just have more of an issue with the Bob Dylan/Rock fanboys and girls who assume that what is popular and influential in certain elements of society in certain countries=universal appeal and influence.

It's like an American who thinks Babe Ruth and baseball is the biggest thing ever to happen to sports, not realizing that a bunch of the world doesn't give a crap about baseball or Babe Ruth.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1719 on: October 18, 2016, 01:26:45 PM »
I have some students (some in grade 3, some in grade 1) that sometimes get looks on their faces that clearly express "아이씨" or "진짜" but they're at least polite enough not to say it aloud.

The sentiment is still clearly there though. One kid I know gets frustrated because he's the best in the class at English but is in the same class as a kid who can't read along with others who read slowly. Finding the balance is difficult
Well this was because they didn't bring their notebooks and talked the entire period, completely disregarding the entire lesson.

I know its a little thing, but man does it grind my gears when you make the students do something and they do it so grudgingly, saying 아이씨 and 진짜 the whole time.

I don't know the Korean, but it sounds like my last class of today. They are preparing a presentation for next week. Only 2 students done something, the rest of the time they were just yelling and running around; and where is the co-teacher? Laughing and chatting with them and encouraging the behaviour. >.< When I tried to get them to do something, they would start, and start being Yahoo's again once I move to the next group. >.< - this was grade 2 middle as well. >.<
It basically means "Really, I can't believe they are making me do this." But rudely.

I'm not sure if my students say that, but they sigh a lot whenever they are asked to do something. Even with games. They usually just want my class to sleep haha.