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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1180 on: September 28, 2016, 08:44:38 AM »
Why are the kids practicing Rudolphe the Red Nosed Freaking Reindeer on those stupid recorder like things. It's still September! And it sounds terrible! STOP IT!   :evil:

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« Reply #1181 on: September 28, 2016, 10:09:10 AM »
Why are the kids practicing Rudolphe the Red Nosed Freaking Reindeer on those stupid recorder like things. It's still September! And it sounds terrible! STOP IT!   :evil:
I guess the idea is for them to sound not terrible by December.

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« Reply #1182 on: September 28, 2016, 10:18:07 AM »
We went to another teacher's open class the other day and I felt really bad for the foreign teacher. Her CT translated every little thing she said and then pretty much dominated the class, speaking Korean. I pointed out to my CT that doing this did not give the students time to process what they have heard in English and understand it, they only look to the CT to translate so they don't bother listening to the foreign teacher. I also pointed out that two teachers giving instructions and talking caused teacher talk time to increase and student talk time decreases.

She clearly doesn't care about that and  since then has begun translating everything I say. I have put up with it for 2 days now and I can no longer continue to allow it to happen.

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« Reply #1183 on: September 28, 2016, 10:53:03 AM »
My elem. coT: "What is the most important? For students to practice speaking English."

This same coT then proceeds to unnecessarily translate everything down to numbers lower than 5. Even the kids who can't read can count upwards of 5  :rolleyes: She also likes to blather on and often likes to have the "last pronunciation" on things.

Thankfully my middle school coTs are great or I'd have lost my mind long ago. They hop in when actually necessary for a translation issue and otherwise just let me do what I want, offering constructive criticism.

Worried about next year... might be nice if my elem. coT transferred (though the replacement could definitely be worse) and one middle coT is leaving due to pregnancy and the other is uncertain if she's staying another year. The year of change approaches  :cry:

Also, apparently the county decided they want to build a new apt building for all the teachers (which is kind of a big deal since this is an island and we don't really have those already) but this involves obliterating like 4 existing houses... I asked my coworkers where they'd live during construction. They laughed and said they didn't know... I honestly don't know how this is going to work. We don't even have a hotel or jimjjilbang here and there's no extra housing. It's hella rural. They were joking that those of us whose houses are unaffected are gonna have new roommates...  :undecided:

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1184 on: September 28, 2016, 12:14:07 PM »
Just found out that I'm a judge for some speech contest thing happening today. yay.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1185 on: September 28, 2016, 12:20:58 PM »
URG going back to talking about how rice and noodles are stupid and even stupider together, today my school served me noodles ON TOP of rice  :rolleyes:.  Those stupid slimy clear noodles.

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« Reply #1186 on: September 28, 2016, 12:54:44 PM »
It's so annoying when a coteacher insists on making me explain the rules of an activity or game in English to third and fourth grade students, when the language in the instructions isn't part of the target language, and it's a game they haven't played before. Like, instead of forcing the students to listen to a minute or two of unrelated vocabulary that they can't understand, why not just explain the game to them in Korean? Or let me say a bit in English, then some Korean, then some English, then some Korean?

Being told instructions for a game in English is not improving the language skills of beginner students. It just wastes time and intimidates them.

Agreed!

But I've never understood the general Waygook consensus of NO KOREAN TO BE SPOKEN IN MY CLASSROOM BY ANYONE AT ANY TIME!!!!!!!

Seems like madness to me  :-[

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« Reply #1187 on: September 28, 2016, 12:58:02 PM »
She clearly doesn't care about that and  since then has begun translating everything I say. I have put up with it for 2 days now and I can no longer continue to allow it to happen.

So you're going to kill her?  :shocked:

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« Reply #1188 on: September 28, 2016, 01:04:49 PM »
It's so annoying when a coteacher insists on making me explain the rules of an activity or game in English to third and fourth grade students, when the language in the instructions isn't part of the target language, and it's a game they haven't played before. Like, instead of forcing the students to listen to a minute or two of unrelated vocabulary that they can't understand, why not just explain the game to them in Korean? Or let me say a bit in English, then some Korean, then some English, then some Korean?

Being told instructions for a game in English is not improving the language skills of beginner students. It just wastes time and intimidates them.

Agreed!

But I've never understood the general Waygook consensus of NO KOREAN TO BE SPOKEN IN MY CLASSROOM BY ANYONE AT ANY TIME!!!!!!!

Seems like madness to me  :-[

TEE doesn't work for beginners. Also, Korean is incredibly useful in the classroom, and without it you get ridiculous foreign teachers gesticulating wildly to a bunch of bemused students who can't quite figure out what he or she is trying to communicate. Then the game doesn't run smoothly, the students don't get the full effect of the activity, and it's generally just a waste of time.

Unless you're teaching students who already have a reasonably strong grasp of English, or unless you're teaching the same students for extended periods regularly in an immersion-like setting, using only English is a great way to waste time and make students frustrated in a classroom.

Absolutely agree.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1189 on: September 28, 2016, 01:14:42 PM »
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TEE doesn't work for beginners. Also, Korean is incredibly useful in the classroom, and without it you get ridiculous foreign teachers gesticulating wildly to a bunch of bemused students who can't quite figure out what he or she is trying to communicate. Then the game doesn't run smoothly, the students don't get the full effect of the activity, and it's generally just a waste of time.

Unless you're teaching students who already have a reasonably strong grasp of English, or unless you're teaching the same students for extended periods regularly in an immersion-like setting, using only English is a great way to waste time and make students frustrated in a classroom.

If you talk to a typical Korean teacher they'll assure you that at all levels they have some kids who can't understand a lick of English. Right up until they need to be taught only in Korean for the SAT tests. Hence TEE doesn't work at any level.  Which works out very nicely for them.

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« Reply #1190 on: September 28, 2016, 01:35:49 PM »
It's so annoying when a coteacher insists on making me explain the rules of an activity or game in English to third and fourth grade students, when the language in the instructions isn't part of the target language, and it's a game they haven't played before. Like, instead of forcing the students to listen to a minute or two of unrelated vocabulary that they can't understand, why not just explain the game to them in Korean? Or let me say a bit in English, then some Korean, then some English, then some Korean?

Being told instructions for a game in English is not improving the language skills of beginner students. It just wastes time and intimidates them.

I agree. I wish the co-teacher were only there to explain the games sometimes. It's hard to add any amount of complexity to the game when the act of explaining it frustrates the kids with unrelated vocabulary and some drop out before even giving it a chance, or they give it a chance and find themselves lost halfway through.

I feel the same for keeping things 100% English. I'm at a school with many high level students and although I'm currently blessed with coteachers with equally high levels of proficiency, if that's not the case they might lose the respect of the class and classroom management suffers. For co-teachers who can't speak a lick of English, they're doing nobody a favor by mangling the language and confusing the students. In most cases they'll probably have to resort to Korea at some point anyway. (You might wonder why those teachers are teaching the language in the first place.)

On the other hand, I've had a co-teacher who was almost entirely concerned with keeping her rapport with students (she was a contract teacher who had known these kids for 4 years) and, despite having decent speaking ability, threw the baby out with the bathwater completely and spoke almost entirely in Korean with these kids, while not doing much to assist with games either.  That was incredibly frustrating.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1191 on: September 28, 2016, 01:40:36 PM »
URG going back to talking about how rice and noodles are stupid and even stupider together, today my school served me noodles ON TOP of rice  :rolleyes:.  Those stupid slimy clear noodles.

Noodles and rice are "stupid."

Imagine literally believing that two of the most common foods on earth are stupid.


If we want to talk about a stupid food, let's talk about cupcakes. They're so bad for you, they taste awful, and they're borderline poison. There is zero reason for cupcakes to exist.

I admire your penchant for healthy foodstuffs but what cupcakes did you eat that tasted so horrid?? Store bought ones, sure, but have you never had a good (homemade/bakery made) one?? Ever??  :huh:  If they're made well, they just seem like mini cakes to me. Though I will say that I generally don't like the icing that's put on them. That usually gets scraped off.

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« Reply #1192 on: September 28, 2016, 01:49:45 PM »
I don't do the "no Korean allowed" thing. As long as they're practicing the target language then we're good. Oftentimes the higher level students are helping explain things to the lower level students as well.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1193 on: September 28, 2016, 01:50:20 PM »
URG going back to talking about how rice and noodles are stupid and even stupider together, today my school served me noodles ON TOP of rice  :rolleyes:.  Those stupid slimy clear noodles.

Noodles and rice are "stupid."

Imagine literally believing that two of the most common foods on earth are stupid.


If we want to talk about a stupid food, let's talk about cupcakes. They're so bad for you, they taste awful, and they're borderline poison. There is zero reason for cupcakes to exist.

I admire your penchant for healthy foodstuffs but what cupcakes did you eat that tasted so horrid?? Store bought ones, sure, but have you never had a good (homemade/bakery made) one?? Ever??  :huh:  If they're made well, they just seem like mini cakes to me. Though I will say that I generally don't like the icing that's put on them. That usually gets scraped off.
I agree with sixtieshappy. I don't like cupcakes and actually I don't like cake either. When I eat them, I usually only eat the icing (if it's good), and spend the rest of my week sugar-free.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1194 on: September 28, 2016, 02:00:47 PM »
It's so annoying when a coteacher insists on making me explain the rules of an activity or game in English to third and fourth grade students, when the language in the instructions isn't part of the target language, and it's a game they haven't played before. Like, instead of forcing the students to listen to a minute or two of unrelated vocabulary that they can't understand, why not just explain the game to them in Korean? Or let me say a bit in English, then some Korean, then some English, then some Korean?

Being told instructions for a game in English is not improving the language skills of beginner students. It just wastes time and intimidates them.

Agreed!

But I've never understood the general Waygook consensus of NO KOREAN TO BE SPOKEN IN MY CLASSROOM BY ANYONE AT ANY TIME!!!!!!!

Seems like madness to me  :-[

Probably because any dissenting opinion is shouted down.

In general, but especially for lower level kids, I always try consider the time it would take to adequately explain the game in English as opposed to Korean and the bang for the buck I get wrt that time investment.  There are a number of cases where (imo) the time investment in explaining in English is not worth the loss in English practice time.

There's always the option to inadequately explain it in English (or Korean) which should never be the go to.

And Cowboy, I get you. I also have the opposite. My CT actually tells the kids to speak Korean when answering my questions...

Me: How are you today?
Student: Good, I ....
Her: 한국어. English is too hard.

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« Reply #1195 on: September 28, 2016, 02:25:36 PM »
I think you kind of answered your own question. One of the main things that makes a cupcake a cupcake is the icing. And the icing is gross. It's literally just sugar, colouring, and sometimes some flavour. Even you said you usually scrape off a large portion of a cupcake, because you don't like it. They're just an unnecessary food, that doesn't even taste good. It's like someone made super spongy bread, and just added a ton of sugar, and then a thick layer of sugar on top.



Ahh. I also like cake without icing though. I think the only two frostings i enjoy are cream cheese based or light whipped kinds.

So I still think of cupcakes as cupcakes even if I don't eat the icing.  :cheesy:

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« Reply #1196 on: September 28, 2016, 02:26:55 PM »
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Yes, I'm aware. I was saying that a lot of new Korean teachers do believe in TEE, until they start getting some classroom experience. So the problem of people trying to use TEE isn't just limited to western teachers, or Korean teachers. There are lots of people who believe in it, at least until they learn what they're doing.

There are also lots of countries where TEE is used exclusively due to mixed nationality classrooms, and the kids there seem to learn English just fine.

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« Reply #1197 on: September 28, 2016, 02:49:24 PM »
I think you kind of answered your own question. One of the main things that makes a cupcake a cupcake is the icing. And the icing is gross. It's literally just sugar, colouring, and sometimes some flavour. Even you said you usually scrape off a large portion of a cupcake, because you don't like it. They're just an unnecessary food, that doesn't even taste good. It's like someone made super spongy bread, and just added a ton of sugar, and then a thick layer of sugar on top.



Ahh. I also like cake without icing though. I think the only two frostings i enjoy are cream cheese based or light whipped kinds.

So I still think of cupcakes as cupcakes even if I don't eat the icing.  :cheesy:
Cupcakes without icing are basically tiny muffins.

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« Reply #1198 on: September 28, 2016, 03:10:56 PM »
I hate the fact that I receive these improvement recommendations that are just shy of being helpful. "You need to plan the lessons more perfectly." Do you want me to make lesson plans for all of my classes now or should I boost the book's content with more non-book things? Have the homework prepared before hand - okay, can do, but when is it going to be translated? There isn't enough time in the work day for me to do the tasks and have my coT review and approve it.


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« Reply #1199 on: September 28, 2016, 03:21:19 PM »
I think you kind of answered your own question. One of the main things that makes a cupcake a cupcake is the icing. And the icing is gross. It's literally just sugar, colouring, and sometimes some flavour. Even you said you usually scrape off a large portion of a cupcake, because you don't like it. They're just an unnecessary food, that doesn't even taste good. It's like someone made super spongy bread, and just added a ton of sugar, and then a thick layer of sugar on top.



Ahh. I also like cake without icing though. I think the only two frostings i enjoy are cream cheese based or light whipped kinds.

So I still think of cupcakes as cupcakes even if I don't eat the icing.  :cheesy:
Cupcakes without icing are basically tiny muffins.

Actually, muffins have, during my lifetime, been corrupted to be basically cupcakes.

They used to be bran-filled things that grandfathers ate for roughage.