A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.

[Dave Stepz]

When I came back through Incheon last week, I was curious as to why there were a lot of people waiting at my exit.  Not for me, though.  But for Noel Gallagher, who had come from London to do a concert with Oasis in Seoul the next day.  What I found funny was by the sounds of it, it was Christmas with the number of times I heard '노엘' shouted.   

[CO2]

When I came back through Incheon last week, I was curious as to why there were a lot of people waiting at my exit.  Not for me, though.  But for Noel Gallagher, who had come from London to do a concert with Oasis in Seoul the next day.  What I found funny was by the sounds of it, it was Christmas with the number of times I heard '노엘' shouted.   

Wot? Not with Oasis, my friend. With the High Flying Birds.

Sorry, I'm a nitpicker.   

[Dave Stepz]

When I came back through Incheon last week, I was curious as to why there were a lot of people waiting at my exit.  Not for me, though.  But for Noel Gallagher, who had come from London to do a concert with Oasis in Seoul the next day.  What I found funny was by the sounds of it, it was Christmas with the number of times I heard '노엘' shouted.   

Wot? Not with Oasis, my friend. With the High Flying Birds.

Sorry, I'm a nitpicker.   

You young whippersnapper, you! 

I bet you know about happy-slapping and Facebook, right?

I was thinking about asking for an autograph, but then try and diss Man City, but with my jet-lagged state, couldn't be arsed.  Opportunity missed. 

[Bingsu]

Has anyone had chiropractic work done before? Either in Korea or elsewhere.

I did some research and found the doctor I'm interested in but don't know what to expect but am desperate to try.

Any info from you guys?

[JNM]

Has anyone had chiropractic work done before? Either in Korea or elsewhere.

I did some research and found the doctor I'm interested in but don't know what to expect but am desperate to try.

Any info from you guys?

Clicking miss-aligned bones into place makes sense from a back and neck point of view, but some of the crap these folks are peddling is pure snake oil.

[Chinguetti]

Has anyone had chiropractic work done before? Either in Korea or elsewhere.

I did some research and found the doctor I'm interested in but don't know what to expect but am desperate to try.

Any info from you guys?

I've had family members who had to visit after accidents. All worth it for them.

Who you go to makes a huge difference because there ARE a lot of quacks, especially in Korea. Advice is to visit a chiro with a medical license and years of experience. They'll be able to identify whether or not chiro will help you at all, and can recommend the necessary specialists when they know it won't. They'll usually be part of clinics or hospitals that specialize in osteo/back problems in general.

I've heard of a guy in Seoul near Sinnonhyeon station who's apparently really good, but I can't remember his details. Maybe others will, though.

[elsbethm]

Has anyone had chiropractic work done before? Either in Korea or elsewhere.

I did some research and found the doctor I'm interested in but don't know what to expect but am desperate to try.

Any info from you guys?

You'll know if you've found a good one if they actually discuss the cause(s) of whatever problem you're having and recommend various treatments other (eg. massage therapy, physiotherapy, strengthening exercises/yoga/stretching, posture/ergonomics). If your chiropractor just gives you an adjustment and says "come back next week", run!

[Bingsu]

I'm on mobile so it's hard to quote, but don't worry, I definitely looked into the type of work that they're doing. I found a doctor who specializes in the type of work that I want to get done, the one where they find the joints that are misaligned instead of just giving you a full body crack. He's also studied in America and is certified in the type of work that I'm looking for, so I feel pretty confident in his abilities.

A lot of people in my area keep suggesting massage or acupuncture, but having a shoulder that got dislocated isn't going to get fixed with a couple of needles

[Dave Stepz]

I'm on mobile so it's hard to quote, but don't worry, I definitely looked into the type of work that they're doing. I found a doctor who specializes in the type of work that I want to get done, the one where they find the joints that are misaligned instead of just giving you a full body crack. He's also studied in America and is certified in the type of work that I'm looking for, so I feel pretty confident in his abilities.

A lot of people in my area keep suggesting massage or acupuncture, but having a shoulder that got dislocated isn't going to get fixed with a couple of needles

I have problems with my left shoulder which I've dislocated three times.  The last time, which may have included a tear, froze, but in a fashion that seems to have stabilised my shoulder but making other problems.  I remember after the last dislocation I travelled every Saturday to a young chiropractor in Itaewon in the Hannam Building, not really for bone cracking, but more for getting my range of motion back.  Which I did, it was very painful mind, so I have 95% motion except for the frozen bit.  I still get scapula pain on the left side, and have at the moment.  I found the Orthopaedic doctor at Seoul Uni Hospital in Bundang and have an appointment in September.  I don't really want to have the invasive surgery because of the length of rehab, 6 months+ and the fact I'm very rural so constant rehab is almost impossible considering my job.  But maybe, just maybe, I'll get a decent opinion and idea about how to proceed. 

[Bingsu]

I'm on mobile so it's hard to quote, but don't worry, I definitely looked into the type of work that they're doing. I found a doctor who specializes in the type of work that I want to get done, the one where they find the joints that are misaligned instead of just giving you a full body crack. He's also studied in America and is certified in the type of work that I'm looking for, so I feel pretty confident in his abilities.

A lot of people in my area keep suggesting massage or acupuncture, but having a shoulder that got dislocated isn't going to get fixed with a couple of needles

I have problems with my left shoulder which I've dislocated three times.  The last time, which may have included a tear, froze, but in a fashion that seems to have stabilised my shoulder but making other problems.  I remember after the last dislocation I travelled every Saturday to a young chiropractor in Itaewon in the Hannam Building, not really for bone cracking, but more for getting my range of motion back.  Which I did, it was very painful mind, so I have 95% motion except for the frozen bit.  I still get scapula pain on the left side, and have at the moment.  I found the Orthopaedic doctor at Seoul Uni Hospital in Bundang and have an appointment in September.  I don't really want to have the invasive surgery because of the length of rehab, 6 months+ and the fact I'm very rural so constant rehab is almost impossible considering my job.  But maybe, just maybe, I'll get a decent opinion and idea about how to proceed.

The method I've heard good things about is Gonstead, since it focuses on the root cause of the issue and not just temporary relief. There's two I found but the one I was looking at, his website just went down. So I'm not sure who I'll end up calling now. Maybe it could help you to get an exam by one of them to see if they can assist in the process?

http://gonstead.com/find-a-gonstead-doctor/?country=Korea%2C+Republic+of&findst=Find+in+Country#trg-results

[Aristocrat]

I'm on mobile so it's hard to quote, but don't worry, I definitely looked into the type of work that they're doing. I found a doctor who specializes in the type of work that I want to get done, the one where they find the joints that are misaligned instead of just giving you a full body crack. He's also studied in America and is certified in the type of work that I'm looking for, so I feel pretty confident in his abilities.

A lot of people in my area keep suggesting massage or acupuncture, but having a shoulder that got dislocated isn't going to get fixed with a couple of needles

I have problems with my left shoulder which I've dislocated three times.  The last time, which may have included a tear, froze, but in a fashion that seems to have stabilised my shoulder but making other problems.  I remember after the last dislocation I travelled every Saturday to a young chiropractor in Itaewon in the Hannam Building, not really for bone cracking, but more for getting my range of motion back.  Which I did, it was very painful mind, so I have 95% motion except for the frozen bit.  I still get scapula pain on the left side, and have at the moment.  I found the Orthopaedic doctor at Seoul Uni Hospital in Bundang and have an appointment in September.  I don't really want to have the invasive surgery because of the length of rehab, 6 months+ and the fact I'm very rural so constant rehab is almost impossible considering my job.  But maybe, just maybe, I'll get a decent opinion and idea about how to proceed.

The method I've heard good things about is Gonstead, since it focuses on the root cause of the issue and not just temporary relief. There's two I found but the one I was looking at, his website just went down. So I'm not sure who I'll end up calling now. Maybe it could help you to get an exam by one of them to see if they can assist in the process?

http://gonstead.com/find-a-gonstead-doctor/?country=Korea%2C+Republic+of&findst=Find+in+Country#trg-results

In my opinion, you really don't want to rely on constantly going to the chiro or specialist, especially in Korea, a single assessment should be enough. It's expensive, unnecessary and won't permanently fix the problem.

Being really active and heavily involved with sports, I've had many injuries over the years. I've had lots of experience with chiros, doctors and limited experience with acupuncture/BS.

Chronic injuries or pain are almost always the result of a bio-mechanical imbalance, a muscle, joint or tendon which is required to do a particular movement or action is too weak or lacks flexibility. Your body then goes to plan B and gets a different muscle, joint or tendon to do the job. The plan B part is able to do it, but only to a limited degree, push it beyond that and you get injury. You might've also not allowed a previous injury to heal properly, ultimately, it comes down to the same thing, bio-mechanical imbalances.

Your only options are to:

A - Permanently reduce activity level
B - Identify the imbalance and strengthen or increase flexibility in said area.

Speaking of Chiros, I visited one in Itaewon and was told there are less than 10 registered chiros in the whole country (they each charge a ridiculous amount of money). Apparently, the Korean traditional medicine/BS unions, lobbied to block chiro schools in Korea, for fear of competition. The traditional med. doctors claim they can treat any chiropractic issues... sure those Quasimodo ajumas can attest to that.
You could get your back cracked till Kingdom come, you problems will never go away. Strengthening imbalances is hard work, but it's really the only way to permanently fix chronic injuries.

There are many easy and free ways to test bio-mechanical weaknesses and the root cause is usually not where you feel pain. Don't waste your money.

[gogators!]

I'm on mobile so it's hard to quote, but don't worry, I definitely looked into the type of work that they're doing. I found a doctor who specializes in the type of work that I want to get done, the one where they find the joints that are misaligned instead of just giving you a full body crack. He's also studied in America and is certified in the type of work that I'm looking for, so I feel pretty confident in his abilities.

A lot of people in my area keep suggesting massage or acupuncture, but having a shoulder that got dislocated isn't going to get fixed with a couple of needles

I have problems with my left shoulder which I've dislocated three times.  The last time, which may have included a tear, froze, but in a fashion that seems to have stabilised my shoulder but making other problems.  I remember after the last dislocation I travelled every Saturday to a young chiropractor in Itaewon in the Hannam Building, not really for bone cracking, but more for getting my range of motion back.  Which I did, it was very painful mind, so I have 95% motion except for the frozen bit.  I still get scapula pain on the left side, and have at the moment.  I found the Orthopaedic doctor at Seoul Uni Hospital in Bundang and have an appointment in September.  I don't really want to have the invasive surgery because of the length of rehab, 6 months+ and the fact I'm very rural so constant rehab is almost impossible considering my job.  But maybe, just maybe, I'll get a decent opinion and idea about how to proceed.

The method I've heard good things about is Gonstead, since it focuses on the root cause of the issue and not just temporary relief. There's two I found but the one I was looking at, his website just went down. So I'm not sure who I'll end up calling now. Maybe it could help you to get an exam by one of them to see if they can assist in the process?

http://gonstead.com/find-a-gonstead-doctor/?country=Korea%2C+Republic+of&findst=Find+in+Country#trg-results

In my opinion, you really don't want to rely on constantly going to the chiro or specialist, especially in Korea, a single assessment should be enough. It's expensive, unnecessary and won't permanently fix the problem.

Being really active and heavily involved with sports, I've had many injuries over the years. I've had lots of experience with chiros, doctors and limited experience with acupuncture/BS.

Chronic injuries or pain are almost always the result of a bio-mechanical imbalance, a muscle, joint or tendon which is required to do a particular movement or action is too weak or lacks flexibility. Your body then goes to plan B and gets a different muscle, joint or tendon to do the job. The plan B part is able to do it, but only to a limited degree, push it beyond that and you get injury. You might've also not allowed a previous injury to heal properly, ultimately, it comes down to the same thing, bio-mechanical imbalances.

Your only options are to:

A - Permanently reduce activity level
B - Identify the imbalance and strengthen or increase flexibility in said area.

Speaking of Chiros, I visited one in Itaewon and was told there are less than 10 registered chiros in the whole country (they each charge a ridiculous amount of money). Apparently, the Korean traditional medicine/BS unions, lobbied to block chiro schools in Korea, for fear of competition. The traditional med. doctors claim they can treat any chiropractic issues... sure those Quasimodo ajumas can attest to that.
You could get your back cracked till Kingdom come, you problems will never go away. Strengthening imbalances is hard work, but it's really the only way to permanently fix chronic injuries.

There are many easy and free ways to test bio-mechanical weaknesses and the root cause is usually not where you feel pain. Don't waste your money.

I mostly agree, but some chronic injuries do eventually require surgery, especially if you want to remain active. Impingement syndrome, for example.

[Chinguetti]

Agree that physio is also required as part of the healing/recovery process. Lots of people never regain 100% ROM or mobility due to insufficient/incomplete physio after or as part of treatment.

My dad was like that. He never did recover full use of his shoulder after he had surgery, mostly because he stopped going to physical therapy once he thought he was at a point he could do it on his own. But he would never push himself hard enough on his own, lol. It was his dominant side, too.

[alexisalex]

Funnily enough I'm going to the doctor today to get my elbow checked out.  I think it's Tennis Elbow.

I lift weights regularly and gradually started feeling pain on the outside of my elbow and sometimes up my forearm.  I've rested it for three weeks but still feel pain.  I'm interested to hear what he says; I assume I'll just have to rest it for another few weeks and alter how I'm gripping the weights.

[Dave Stepz]

I think we can safely say in Chungnam, that summer is finished.  There has been almost raining season rain for the last few days.   

[Kayos]

I think we can safely say in Chungnam, that summer is finished.  There has been almost raining season rain for the last few days.   

Lucky, The typhoon got rid of the humidity for a bit here, then after the typhoon we the weather was like: Oh, you missed a few days of humidity, so you have to make them up. And preceded to make things super humid again. I've barely been getting any sleep these last couple of days. The AC either makes things, slightly too cold, or if I turn it up 1 - 2C, I just feel the humidity, and both ways, I'm struggling to sleep >.<

[TheEnergizer]

I think we can safely say in Chungnam, that summer is finished.  There has been almost raining season rain for the last few days.   

Koreans call this the late summer or fall rainy season as the weather front retreats back south.

[JNM]

I think we can safely say in Chungnam, that summer is finished.  There has been almost raining season rain for the last few days.   

Lucky, The typhoon got rid of the humidity for a bit here, then after the typhoon we the weather was like: Oh, you missed a few days of humidity, so you have to make them up. And preceded to make things super humid again. I've barely been getting any sleep these last couple of days. The AC either makes things, slightly too cold, or if I turn it up 1 - 2C, I just feel the humidity, and both ways, I'm struggling to sleep >.<

Mrs. JNM: turn the a/c down to 22; 23 is too hot.

Also Mrs. JNM: can you get another blanket for us?

[#basedcowboyshirt]

I think we can safely say in Chungnam, that summer is finished.  There has been almost raining season rain for the last few days.   

Lucky, The typhoon got rid of the humidity for a bit here, then after the typhoon we the weather was like: Oh, you missed a few days of humidity, so you have to make them up. And preceded to make things super humid again. I've barely been getting any sleep these last couple of days. The AC either makes things, slightly too cold, or if I turn it up 1 - 2C, I just feel the humidity, and both ways, I'm struggling to sleep >.<

Mrs. JNM: turn the a/c down to 22; 23 is too hot.

Also Mrs. JNM: can you get another blanket for us?

Haha. My life is more like:

Me: Please help. I'm dying. Need aircon.
Sig other: Here, I'll point the fan at you. No aircon. It's too cold.

[Kayos]

I think we can safely say in Chungnam, that summer is finished.  There has been almost raining season rain for the last few days.   

Lucky, The typhoon got rid of the humidity for a bit here, then after the typhoon we the weather was like: Oh, you missed a few days of humidity, so you have to make them up. And preceded to make things super humid again. I've barely been getting any sleep these last couple of days. The AC either makes things, slightly too cold, or if I turn it up 1 - 2C, I just feel the humidity, and both ways, I'm struggling to sleep >.<

Mrs. JNM: turn the a/c down to 22; 23 is too hot.

Also Mrs. JNM: can you get another blanket for us?

Haha. My life is more like:

Me: Please help. I'm dying. Need aircon.
Sig other: Here, I'll point the fan at you. No aircon. It's too cold.

They both sound like what I've been saying to myself, lately, for the most part.
When I run my AC at 18 - 20C, it's slightly too cold to sleep well (a bigger / thicker / another thin blanket makes it too hot still). 21 - 23C makes my room warm still, not overbearingly so, but enough, that it still makes it harder for me to fall asleep.

HURRY UP AND END, SUMMER!!!