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Offline Dave Stepz

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5060 on: April 17, 2018, 10:43:14 AM »
Today on salary day, I had the health insurance readjustment payment for 2017 of about 100 000 won go out of my salary on top of the usual monthly amount.  I asked my co-teacher who is sick quite a lot.  Her's was almost a plus payment.  She told me I need to be sick more.  Surely you should be rewarded for being healthy, not penalised?  :undecided: 

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5061 on: April 17, 2018, 10:48:17 AM »
Today on salary day, I had the health insurance readjustment payment for 2017 of about 100 000 won go out of my salary on top of the usual monthly amount.  I asked my co-teacher who is sick quite a lot.  Her's was almost a plus payment.  She told me I need to be sick more.  Surely you should be rewarded for being healthy, not penalised?  :undecided:

You're not contributing to the economy by being healthy Dave. Bad boy.

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5062 on: April 17, 2018, 10:53:16 AM »
Today on salary day, I had the health insurance readjustment payment for 2017 of about 100 000 won go out of my salary on top of the usual monthly amount.  I asked my co-teacher who is sick quite a lot.  Her's was almost a plus payment.  She told me I need to be sick more.  Surely you should be rewarded for being healthy, not penalised?  :undecided:

You're not contributing to the economy by being healthy Dave. Bad boy.

You're right, I'll break both of my legs this year at some point (while not interfering with the smooth running of the school or taking ten days sick leave) and save myself 90 000 won next year. 


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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5063 on: April 17, 2018, 11:30:25 AM »
Today on salary day, I had the health insurance readjustment payment for 2017 of about 100 000 won go out of my salary on top of the usual monthly amount.  I asked my co-teacher who is sick quite a lot.  Her's was almost a plus payment.  She told me I need to be sick more.  Surely you should be rewarded for being healthy, not penalised?  :undecided:

She worked less, so earned less, so pays less healthcare tax.

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5064 on: April 17, 2018, 11:40:36 AM »
and live more carefree.

Def read that as "have more coffee" upon skimming.

That's my advice. Always more coffee. 

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5065 on: April 17, 2018, 12:27:07 PM »

You oughta try being fluent and getting waved off by someone when they don't even listen to what you are saying. It's like they turn off their ears and start day dreaming or something. Frustrating as ****. When they do that to me (usually a bus driver) I just say something along the lines of 'oh, I'm sorry I thought you spoke Korean, I didn't realize foreigners could drive a bus for a living, how did you get this job without knowing Korean?' and they shit themselves. I guess a little different to yours but still the same ignorance.

Reminded me of this:



First time I visited Japan, I was with a group of non-Asians.

I am not Japanese nor am I fluent but I got mistaken for their tour guide  :blank:  :laugh:  :laugh:  :cry: I could only explain I wasn't Japanese and where I was actually from.

However, this led to seeing a cool art exhibition! The person who mistook me for Japanese happened to be a super friendly photographer  ;D

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5066 on: April 17, 2018, 01:15:30 PM »
I've noticed that whenever I try speaking to people in my school in Korean I always get the reaction of like...
"What? Huh? *laughter* What?"

I actually stopped trying to speak and just show them google translate on my phone because that was always the reaction and I felt like I was completely wrong when speaking. But I'd look it up and practice 20 times on my walk to school and say "The weather is good today!" or "Where is the library?" but every reaction was just "what? what?" and I'd get embarrassed and say forget it.

Is it a common occurrence for everyone or are people just shocked/unwilling to communicate?

It's a combination of several things.

a. A lot of people here are very unused to hearing someone speak their language without total fluency. There are people all over the world who speak English as a second language, so we're used to it. But it's not the same in Korea. People learning Korean is a really recent thing, and it's still pretty weird for people to hear it.

b. Your pronunciation is definitely worse than you think it is.

c. People don't really make random small-talk in the office unless they're friends or actually having a little chatty time together. Don't take it personally. This is also a generalization. Some people chat, obviously.

d. If you're put off trying to speak Korean by people being uncomfortable and not understanding what you're saying, then just quit. Or, push through it and eventually it gets better.

When I first came here, I experienced all the same things. I had restaurants wave me out, taxis refuse to take me, coworkers giggle when I talked, etc etc. It's dumb and annoying.

These days, I almost never get the blank stare, and nobody reacts differently when I'm speaking Korean to or around them.

Give it a little while and keep practicing.

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5067 on: April 17, 2018, 01:20:01 PM »
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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5068 on: April 17, 2018, 01:20:14 PM »
I've noticed that whenever I try speaking to people in my school in Korean I always get the reaction of like...
"What? Huh? *laughter* What?"

I actually stopped trying to speak and just show them google translate on my phone because that was always the reaction and I felt like I was completely wrong when speaking. But I'd look it up and practice 20 times on my walk to school and say "The weather is good today!" or "Where is the library?" but every reaction was just "what? what?" and I'd get embarrassed and say forget it.

Is it a common occurrence for everyone or are people just shocked/unwilling to communicate?

something similar happened to my yesterday. i was leaving the gym and i saw this older man (mid 40's i would guess) walking into the gym. we have seen each other inside the gym many times. i am only foreigner that goes to this place. there are NO OTHER shops or restaurants inside this building yet. my gym is on the 7th floor and every other floor of the building is completely empty.  the gym is the ONLY business open inside this building. if you are going into or out of this building, it's because you belong to this gym.

as i'm walking out and he's walking in, i hold the door for him and greet him in korean. he stands there and stares. we are both in the doorway with me holding the door open awkwardly. i ask him in korean if he's going to the gym. he stands there and doesn't answer but continues to just stare at me. i could tell he was a bit shocked that a stranger (and foreigner) for that matter was trying to make small talk with him. what got me frustrated was i was speaking korean...how/why could this dude not just hit me with an anyong and be on his way. he just completely froze and stood there. keep in mind, this wasn't some rice farmer that has lived out in the sticks his whole life that has never had convo with a foreigner, this is a businessman in a suit carrying a briefcase. it was so awkward i just said something like, allllright then and walked out of the doorway while he was still standing there.


here's my thing...read the situation and BE A HUMAN. smile, give a wave or a nod, and keep it moving.

Here's a little perspective for you:

How do you feel when someone comes up to you and starts an unsolicited conversation for no reason other than they want to practice their English and they think it's novel to talk to a foreigner?

Now, how do you think that guy felt when he was just going to the gym, and some random person starts talking to him and making small talk just because?

Probably about the same.

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5069 on: April 17, 2018, 01:27:15 PM »
I've noticed that whenever I try speaking to people in my school in Korean I always get the reaction of like...
"What? Huh? *laughter* What?"

I actually stopped trying to speak and just show them google translate on my phone because that was always the reaction and I felt like I was completely wrong when speaking. But I'd look it up and practice 20 times on my walk to school and say "The weather is good today!" or "Where is the library?" but every reaction was just "what? what?" and I'd get embarrassed and say forget it.

Is it a common occurrence for everyone or are people just shocked/unwilling to communicate?

That's why I don't even bother trying to speak most of the time. In my Korean classes, I'm told I have good pronunciation (far beyond my classmates at that), but any time I want to try using my words outside of class I get the same reactions. It's funny because people are super curious as to if you are learning/know any Korean, but are (often, not always) no help when you try. It's easier to play the dumb foreigner in every case rather than try to communicate in a one-sided conversation
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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5070 on: April 17, 2018, 01:33:27 PM »
I've noticed that whenever I try speaking to people in my school in Korean I always get the reaction of like...
"What? Huh? *laughter* What?"

I actually stopped trying to speak and just show them google translate on my phone because that was always the reaction and I felt like I was completely wrong when speaking. But I'd look it up and practice 20 times on my walk to school and say "The weather is good today!" or "Where is the library?" but every reaction was just "what? what?" and I'd get embarrassed and say forget it.

Is it a common occurrence for everyone or are people just shocked/unwilling to communicate?

That's why I don't even bother trying to speak most of the time. In my Korean classes, I'm told I have good pronunciation (far beyond my classmates at that), but any time I want to try using my words outside of class I get the same reactions. It's funny because people are super curious as to if you are learning/know any Korean, but are (often, not always) no help when you try. It's easier to play the dumb foreigner in every case rather than try to communicate in a one-sided conversation


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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5071 on: April 17, 2018, 01:44:39 PM »
Does it bother you that people are frustrated by this, Basedcowboy? Do you think it's unreasonable for someone to be upset under these circumstances? I can't quite figure out why you feel the need to repeatedly come to bat for Koreans in this case.

People aren't saying "I have perfect Korean and they don't understand me! Wah!" They recognize and admit to being beginners, and are frustrated that, paltry though their efforts may be, they're consistently stonewalled just for trying. Sure, things might get better as their skills improve, but that doesn't make it any less irritating for them now.

It's cool that you don't take the apologist schtick anywhere near as far as Mr. D does, but even taking the low-key apologist route doesn't make too much sense in cases like this.

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« Reply #5072 on: April 17, 2018, 01:54:05 PM »
Does it bother you that people are frustrated by this, Basedcowboy? Do you think it's unreasonable for someone to be upset under these circumstances? I can't quite figure out why you feel the need to repeatedly come to bat for Koreans in this case.

People aren't saying "I have perfect Korean and they don't understand me! Wah!" They recognize and admit to being beginners, and are frustrated that, paltry though their efforts may be, they're consistently stonewalled just for trying. Sure, things might get better as their skills improve, but that doesn't make it any less irritating for them now.

It's cool that you don't take the apologist schtick anywhere near as far as Mr. D does, but even taking the low-key apologist route doesn't make too much sense in cases like this.

Waygook.org user Mister Tim, I think you missed the part where I empathized with these people voicing their frustrations by saying,

When I first came here, I experienced all the same things. I had restaurants wave me out, taxis refuse to take me, coworkers giggle when I talked, etc etc. It's dumb and annoying.


These exact same situations literally happened to me, and, as I said, they were, quote, "dumb and annoying."

But, rather than just sympathize with their frustrations, I also wanted to share a different perspective from someone who has been here a little bit longer than they have, and also explain certain aspects, such as why it's so novel to hear someone speaking Korean as a second language and why it's so commonly misunderstood when people are first learning. And also that it's not endemic to all people speaking Korean. There are literally reasons for why people may be giggling or having difficulty understanding, and it's an oversimplification to just say 'haha because Korea.'

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5073 on: April 17, 2018, 01:56:23 PM »
In my first year here, I attempted to start learning Korean, and any small mistake in my first few attempts resulted with anger from co-workers, and people in a language exchange group. I 'noped' outta giving it a try for the rest of the year. This second year, my co-workers are more chill, and try to teach me just 1 Korean word a week. Even if I say it wrong, pronunciation wise, they usually know what I'm trying to say though. :D

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« Reply #5074 on: April 17, 2018, 02:05:50 PM »
Am I the only one who is not misunderstood? I think growing up learning French immersion from the age of 5 gave me an edge, in the sense that making different sounds with my mouth isn't really that taxing.

I can't speak for anyone here, I don't know you, nor have I heard you speak, but some people I go out with, my lord, just awful.

You know when I joke around and write Korean in the English alphabet and absolutely butcher it? Some of my friends sound like this and it's................... so cringey.

I don't care and I'm not judging them like they're idiots, but expect locals to understand them? No way.

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I've had people say Sindorim pronounced like Pandorum and the sin part like, well, the biblical term. And then they get flustered and say it louder.

The dude is 60. He doesn't know sadyang or Sindorum. Hahahahaha

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5075 on: April 17, 2018, 02:06:54 PM »
Every time I see an old person feeding pigeons I wonder if it's tuppence a bag.

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« Reply #5076 on: April 17, 2018, 02:07:49 PM »


These exact same situations literally happened to me, and, as I said, they were, quote, "dumb and annoying."

But, rather than just sympathize with their frustrations, I also wanted to share a different perspective from someone who has been here a little bit longer than they have, and also explain certain aspects, such as why it's so novel to hear someone speaking Korean as a second language and why it's so commonly misunderstood when people are first learning. And also that it's not endemic to all people speaking Korean. There are literally reasons for why people may be giggling or having difficulty understanding, and it's an oversimplification to just say 'haha because Korea.'

I dunno. It seems like you're "offering a different perspective" in the same way Mr. D does when he counters things people say in other threads. Maybe I'm reading more condescension than you're intending. Maybe I'm letting my annoyance at the tired "waygook user so-and-so" nonsense color my perceptions of your posts too much.

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« Reply #5077 on: April 17, 2018, 02:10:23 PM »
Every time I see an old person feeding pigeons I wonder if it's tuppence a bag.

It's a comeuppance bag.

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« Reply #5078 on: April 17, 2018, 02:11:29 PM »

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I almost had a stroke just trying to read that English alone
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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5079 on: April 18, 2018, 07:40:27 AM »
I've noticed that whenever I try speaking to people in my school in Korean I always get the reaction of like...
"What? Huh? *laughter* What?"

I actually stopped trying to speak and just show them google translate on my phone because that was always the reaction and I felt like I was completely wrong when speaking. But I'd look it up and practice 20 times on my walk to school and say "The weather is good today!" or "Where is the library?" but every reaction was just "what? what?" and I'd get embarrassed and say forget it.

Is it a common occurrence for everyone or are people just shocked/unwilling to communicate?

something similar happened to my yesterday. i was leaving the gym and i saw this older man (mid 40's i would guess) walking into the gym. we have seen each other inside the gym many times. i am only foreigner that goes to this place. there are NO OTHER shops or restaurants inside this building yet. my gym is on the 7th floor and every other floor of the building is completely empty.  the gym is the ONLY business open inside this building. if you are going into or out of this building, it's because you belong to this gym.

as i'm walking out and he's walking in, i hold the door for him and greet him in korean. he stands there and stares. we are both in the doorway with me holding the door open awkwardly. i ask him in korean if he's going to the gym. he stands there and doesn't answer but continues to just stare at me. i could tell he was a bit shocked that a stranger (and foreigner) for that matter was trying to make small talk with him. what got me frustrated was i was speaking korean...how/why could this dude not just hit me with an anyong and be on his way. he just completely froze and stood there. keep in mind, this wasn't some rice farmer that has lived out in the sticks his whole life that has never had convo with a foreigner, this is a businessman in a suit carrying a briefcase. it was so awkward i just said something like, allllright then and walked out of the doorway while he was still standing there.


here's my thing...read the situation and BE A HUMAN. smile, give a wave or a nod, and keep it moving.

Here's a little perspective for you:

How do you feel when someone comes up to you and starts an unsolicited conversation for no reason other than they want to practice their English and they think it's novel to talk to a foreigner?

Now, how do you think that guy felt when he was just going to the gym, and some random person starts talking to him and making small talk just because?

Probably about the same.

basedcowboyshirt - come on man. there's a difference between trying to exchange simple pleasantries and getting stared at like an alien and somebody trying to squeeze an english lesson out of you as you wait at a bus stop.

and here's a little perspective for you - it looks like we've both been in korea for around the same amount of time, so chill with trying to explain to me how i should feel or giving me your advice like i'm some kid that just landed at incheon. congrats bro - you have 8000 posts so you must be a better foreigner than me.


1) if you reply to this, please do that thing where you start with "waygook.org user ID identification tag" apancoe because that's necessary.

2) make sure to mention how sugar is LITERALLY poison ( it's AWESOME how you crash the discussion every time somebody mentions cake or ice cream with your shtick)

3) do that thing where you type a sentence like you're so smart and you're trying to explain something very slowly to somebody. Do....Do you understand what i mean?

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4) don't forget to drop some dumb quote from LIL B that makes you look soooo #RanDOm & #EDGY
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