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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #4360 on: November 28, 2017, 08:47:14 AM »
Can someone humour me and briefly explain how teaching in an elementary school works because I just can't get my head around it.  I have basic assumptions but my confusion mainly comes from reading posts like - "Elementary, teaching alone, no coteacher..."

I assume that most of the students have never encountered English before so they literally don't know anything (aside from "hello").  Is that right?  So...how in the world can you teach them anything without Korean translation?  I mean, if you're teaching alone, how do you do this?

Do elementary textbooks have Korean in them?  How do the students know what's going on without translation?

I assume you have target expressions like "How are you?" or "This is a pencil".  How can you possibly communicate the grammatical function of "how, are, this, is" etc without a Korean translation?

As a side note, I've read posts from NETs who claim they "took the student aside and explained to him exactly what he did wrong and why it was wrong" etc.  How are these elementary students understanding this??!!!!  Or (as I suspect) there's a Korean teacher translating word for word which is conveniently left out of the NET's story.

Sorry for the rambly post but it makes my head hurt thinking about this stuff.

I took French immersion and there was no translation. That said,

-English and French are much more similar
-I was 5, ready to soak it in.

HOWEVER, you know what I did? I shut the hell up and listened. I didn't act out because I knew I was out of my element.  And there was real shame in being an asshole who disrupted the class. I've been in public school for 3 years and have never seen a student sent to the principal's office. I was deathly afraid of the principal talking to my parents in a negative fashion. 

My co-teacher keeps asking me, "Well what games did you play in French class?" Uhhhhh, Bescherelle writing for 100 times? We didn't play, we shut up and learned the language. Parisians might make fun of my Quebecois/Franco-Ontarian accent, but they know that my language skills are on point.
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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #4361 on: November 28, 2017, 09:03:32 AM »
it's strange how english study has become 'game time' in korea. parents and kids expect english to always be fun. is there the same expectation for other subjects, such as maths or science?

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #4362 on: November 28, 2017, 09:38:35 AM »
In you I see dirty
In you I count stars
In you I feel so pretty
In you I taste god
In you I feel so hungry
In you I crash cars
We must never be apart
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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #4363 on: November 28, 2017, 12:35:18 PM »
it's strange how english study has become 'game time' in korea. parents and kids expect english to always be fun. is there the same expectation for other subjects, such as maths or science?

In my high school, the maths teacher has 100% Teacher Talking Time.  It is shut up and listen time, the students look so bored.  I'm sure this is not good, but then I'm sure there is so much maths to teach that students are going to fall behind easily.  In middle school, there was more of a basis on teams together and the teacher giving problems to solve between themselves.  I liked that as stronger students could help the weaker students, and they'd be less likely to fall behind. 

If I remember my secondary school science classes, it involved filling my friend's pencil case with gas and blowing it up, or running a high current through a straightened paper clip and cutting things with the hot wire.  Fun...  Korean students don't seem to do a lot of 'experiments', like that.  :-[
there's nothing that makes me more annoyed than when students say "teacher, not fun", regardless of whether it's a game or not. i'm not sure how they even have the audacity to say it; i certainly wouldn't have even dreamt to say something like that at school. a surefire way that that student won't be partaking in any more group activities for the rest of class

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #4364 on: November 28, 2017, 12:50:08 PM »
there's nothing that makes me more annoyed than when students say "teacher, not fun", regardless of whether it's a game or not. i'm not sure how they even have the audacity to say it; i certainly wouldn't have even dreamt to say something like that at school. a surefire way that that student won't be partaking in any more group activities for the rest of class

That's what my teacher would have said

 :police: (but smaller): Teacher, this is not fun.

 :-* Obviously, we're conjugating 7 prime verbs in the conditional, je, tu, il/elle, nous, vous, ils/elles 10 times each. It will take an hour. Why on earth would you even begin to consider this as a fun activity. Now shut up and start writing, you'll thank me when you you go to Quebec on vacation and have French friends in Korea later in life.

 :police: (but smaller and a little red in the face): What's a Korea?
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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #4365 on: November 28, 2017, 01:09:26 PM »
As a complete aside, here's a French joke. (Sorry, no accents, you'll figure it out)

Alors, il y en a un guerre dans un pays africain. Un famille la decides a demenage au Quebec.

 :afro: Fils, maintenant nous sommes Canadien. Ta mere et moi voulons que tu participeras dans les sports et les choses culturelle ici. Alors, cet hiver, nous voulons que tu patinera.

 :police: D'accord papa.

Alors, hiver c'arrive, et il prends ses patins et depart la maison. Il arrive au edifice et il regarde la signage.

PATINOIR

 :police: Pas 'tit noir? Mon dieu, c'est si raciste! 

Il retourne chez lui.

 :police: Maman, y'en a un signe la qui dit "Pas 'tit noir!" Qu'est-ce que je peux faire?

 :-* Mon dieu! Je pensais que Canada ete liberal et ouvert, mais peut-etre non........... Viens avec moi au salle de bain.

Maman peint toute sa peau vert.

 :-* Retourne maintenant. Personne saura.

 :police: D'accord.

Il retourne encore un fois au patinoir et regarde le signage.

PATINOIR

OUVERT

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #4366 on: November 28, 2017, 01:30:53 PM »
As a complete aside, here's a French joke. (Sorry, no accents, you'll figure it out)

Alors, il y en a un guerre dans un pays africain. Un famille la decides a demenage au Quebec.

 :afro: Fils, maintenant nous sommes Canadien. Ta mere et moi voulons que tu participeras dans les sports et les choses culturelle ici. Alors, cet hiver, nous voulons que tu patinera.

 :police: D'accord papa.

Alors, hiver c'arrive, et il prends ses patins et depart la maison. Il arrive au edifice et il regarde la signage.

PATINOIR

 :police: Pas 'tit noir? Mon dieu, c'est si raciste! 

Il retourne chez lui.

 :police: Maman, y'en a un signe la qui dit "Pas 'tit noir!" Qu'est-ce que je peux faire?

 :-* Mon dieu! Je pensais que Canada ete liberal et ouvert, mais peut-etre non........... Viens avec moi au salle de bain.

Maman peint toute sa peau vert.

 :-* Retourne maintenant. Personne saura.

 :police: D'accord.

Il retourne encore un fois au patinoir et regarde le signage.

PATINOIR

OUVERT

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #4368 on: November 28, 2017, 01:39:25 PM »
^^^^^     

hmmmm..... maybe that's why I don't remember ever seeing any black people at the skating rink when I was growing up  :undecided:

Anywhoo, keeping with the French theme:

Everytime I hear students say "개새끼야!" my mind hears "qu'est-ce qu'il y a?"and I do a double take to make sure I'm not actually hearing French. But it never is ㅜㅜ Ah, fils de pute!!




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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #4369 on: November 28, 2017, 01:42:29 PM »
I've taken to speaking French to my kids when they're annoying me between classes. Works like a charm.

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #4370 on: November 28, 2017, 01:45:10 PM »
Everytime I hear students say "개새끼야!" my mind hears "qu'est-ce qu'il y a?"and I do a double take to make sure I'm not actually hearing French. But it never is ㅜㅜ Ah, fils de pute!!

Yesssssssssssssssssssssssss.

Holy shit,


You know what I learned from Ghost Pepper Farmer on Saturday. 빵 is just taken from pain.

 :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: 5 years and I had no idea! THE HELL!!!!!!!???????!!!!!!!!!!????????

As another French aside, my friend from Minnesota phoned me during our first year here and asked me to meet him at the

 :afro: Touse Lezz Jowers

 :police: The what?????

:afro: The Touse Lezz Jowers

 :police: What are you on about?

 :afro: You know, there's Paris Baguette and there's............ Touse Lezz Jowers

 :police: It's Tous Les Jours, the facccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk are you on?????  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #4371 on: November 28, 2017, 01:46:27 PM »
Why don't French people eat two eggs for breakfast?

Because one is un oeuf

 8)

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #4372 on: November 28, 2017, 01:52:27 PM »
Why don't French people eat two eggs for breakfast?

Because one is un oeuf

 8)

Loeuf is zero to a tennis player.

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« Reply #4373 on: November 28, 2017, 01:59:39 PM »

You know what I learned from Ghost Pepper Farmer on Saturday. 빵 is just taken from pain.

 :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: 5 years and I had no idea! THE HELL!!!!!!!???????!!!!!!!!!!????????

Yeah, 빵 was one of the first Korean words I learned and if my (nerdy) memory serves it actually comes from Portuguese by way of Japan.

po -> パン ->

pretty cool factoid IMO

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Touse Lezz Jowers

Did your friend mean

뚜레쥬르??

aka the original and proper spelling  :P

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« Reply #4374 on: November 28, 2017, 02:02:02 PM »
Did your friend mean

뚜레쥬르??

aka the original and proper spelling  :P

He did. hahaha Absolutely my favourite mispronunciation of all-time.
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« Reply #4375 on: November 28, 2017, 02:02:12 PM »
Why don't French people eat two eggs for breakfast?

Because one is un oeuf

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #4376 on: November 28, 2017, 02:31:37 PM »
there's nothing that makes me more annoyed than when students say "teacher, not fun", regardless of whether it's a game or not. i'm not sure how they even have the audacity to say it; i certainly wouldn't have even dreamt to say something like that at school. a surefire way that that student won't be partaking in any more group activities for the rest of class

That's what my teacher would have said

 :police: (but smaller): Teacher, this is not fun.

 :-* Obviously, we're conjugating 7 prime verbs in the conditional, je, tu, il/elle, nous, vous, ils/elles 10 times each. It will take an hour. Why on earth would you even begin to consider this as a fun activity. Now shut up and start writing, you'll thank me when you you go to Quebec on vacation and have French friends in Korea later in life.

 :police: (but smaller and a little red in the face): What's a Korea?
you've never spent time preparing something more fun than the textbook activities, only for kids to complain about it before they've even tried it? that's what i hate

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #4377 on: November 28, 2017, 02:37:51 PM »
there's nothing that makes me more annoyed than when students say "teacher, not fun", regardless of whether it's a game or not. i'm not sure how they even have the audacity to say it; i certainly wouldn't have even dreamt to say something like that at school. a surefire way that that student won't be partaking in any more group activities for the rest of class

That's what my teacher would have said

 :police: (but smaller): Teacher, this is not fun.

 :-* Obviously, we're conjugating 7 prime verbs in the conditional, je, tu, il/elle, nous, vous, ils/elles 10 times each. It will take an hour. Why on earth would you even begin to consider this as a fun activity. Now shut up and start writing, you'll thank me when you you go to Quebec on vacation and have French friends in Korea later in life.

 :police: (but smaller and a little red in the face): What's a Korea?
you've never spent time preparing something more fun than the textbook activities, only for kids to complain about it before they've even tried it? that's what i hate

Oh of course,. Drives me nuts. We didn't play games in school. We shut up and did our work, and if you acted up you got a bad mark and your French was shit and you looked like an idiot.

This isn't to sound arrogant, but I think I was fortunate to be in the French program because the idiots didn't last too long in there. So the classes were all fairly bright kids and the slower kids, or ones who couldn't focus, got transferred back to the English stream. Games we did not play.   
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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #4378 on: November 28, 2017, 02:38:45 PM »
i think i'm just sick of teaching kids tbh

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #4379 on: November 28, 2017, 03:17:58 PM »
I have now deduced that I need one of them pedal things that records loops. 

Electric is a whole new world.  It's like playing a new instrument that I'm magically already proficient in.