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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #3680 on: June 16, 2017, 08:22:35 AM »
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Katy Perry turned herself into a reality star to promote her new album, “Witness.” Perry put herself on a live-streamed trial for 96 hours, while she sang, cooked, attended a therapy session and cried her way through an interview with the activist DeRay Mckesson, lamenting her history of cultural appropriation (she dressed up as a geisha during a 2013 live performance, among other missteps).

EVERY SINGLE JAPANESE PERSON I MET IN JAPAN LOVED THE FACT THAT I WAS WEARING A KIMONO.

If you're offended by shit like that, ask the source if they give a shit or not. And if they don't, then you can't care either.

A lot of people automatically equate "cultural appropriation" with racism and honestly I think that just detracts from actual racism. Is it sometimes poor taste? Sure. But maybe focus on more serious issues.

Though if someone sees a caucasian person with dreads and thinks "cool!" but then sees the same hairstyle on a black person and thinks "ghetto!" then I think that there are some internal biases someone needs to sort out. I feel like this kind of example is what people are actually mad about or should be rather than trying to own certain styles.

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #3681 on: June 16, 2017, 08:33:33 AM »
I followed a Korean guy on social media for a while whose entire shtick was getting mad at foreigners for doing bibimbap wrong...probably reaching its peak when someone did a 'Thanksgiving bibimbap,' with yams in it and stuff

That got old reeeeeal fast

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #3682 on: June 16, 2017, 08:35:32 AM »

Though if someone sees a caucasian person with dreads and thinks "cool!"

I struggle to believe anyone thinks that

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #3683 on: June 16, 2017, 08:45:21 AM »
I followed a Korean guy on social media for a while whose entire shtick was getting mad at foreigners for doing bibimbap wrong...probably reaching its peak when someone did a 'Thanksgiving bibimbap,' with yams in it and stuff

That got old reeeeeal fast
Yeah, I feel like there is only so much you can do with that. Are there that many people trying to do fusion bibimbaps, like the Thanksgiving? Or was he getting angry at people who put the gochujang in wrong?

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #3684 on: June 16, 2017, 09:34:43 AM »
Is dressing in drag considered cultural appropriation?

I'm sure there are certain people who would argue that. I believe a lot of feminist make a claim similar to that when transgender people dress in retrograde (from a feminist perspective) outfits and perpetuate a narrow, "sexy" standard of femininity, as was the backlash from many in the feminist community when Bruce-turned-Caitlin Jenner posed for the cover of Vogue for her coming out party.

Here's my thinking.

If I am a man in drag, according to current convention, I am to be referred to as a "trans-woman", entitled to all the rights, privileges, and adornments of womanhood.

I am therefore allowed to play the victim card. Since I am a victim, I can no longer be the aggressor; hence no appropriation.

... but I appropriated the right to play the victim card.






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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #3685 on: June 16, 2017, 09:40:39 AM »

Though if someone sees a caucasian person with dreads and thinks "cool!"

I struggle to believe anyone thinks that


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I followed a Korean guy on social media for a while whose entire shtick was getting mad at foreigners for doing bibimbap wrong...probably reaching its peak when someone did a 'Thanksgiving bibimbap,' with yams in it and stuff

That got old reeeeeal fast
Yeah, I feel like there is only so much you can do with that. Are there that many people trying to do fusion bibimbaps, like the Thanksgiving? Or was he getting angry at people who put the gochujang in wrong?

Korea bastardizes pizza and a good many other foods. Every country does it. Some results are pretty fly, whereas others... are at least edible, I suppose.

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #3686 on: June 16, 2017, 09:53:00 AM »
Is dressing in drag considered cultural appropriation?

I'm sure there are certain people who would argue that. I believe a lot of feminist make a claim similar to that when transgender people dress in retrograde (from a feminist perspective) outfits and perpetuate a narrow, "sexy" standard of femininity, as was the backlash from many in the feminist community when Bruce-turned-Caitlin Jenner posed for the cover of Vogue for her coming out party.

Here's my thinking.

If I am a man in drag, according to current convention, I am to be referred to as a "trans-woman", entitled to all the rights, privileges, and adornments of womanhood.

I am therefore allowed to play the victim card. Since I am a victim, I can no longer be the aggressor; hence no appropriation.

... but I appropriated the right to play the victim card.

This is a rather offensive post, just so you know.

Transvestism does not mean you are transgendered. Please do not refer to them as the same thing again. It's actually very hurtful. I'm sure you didn't mean to be hurtful, but I wanted to let you know that it's not okay to make that equivocation.

I won't even touch the rest of your post because holy shit. But yeah. Please be more careful about your terminology.


BTW Japanese people cream their jeans when they see foreigners doing Japanese stuff. Sorry, truth.

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #3687 on: June 16, 2017, 09:57:29 AM »
Is dressing in drag considered cultural appropriation?

I'm sure there are certain people who would argue that. I believe a lot of feminist make a claim similar to that when transgender people dress in retrograde (from a feminist perspective) outfits and perpetuate a narrow, "sexy" standard of femininity, as was the backlash from many in the feminist community when Bruce-turned-Caitlin Jenner posed for the cover of Vogue for her coming out party.

Here's my thinking.

If I am a man in drag, according to current convention, I am to be referred to as a "trans-woman", entitled to all the rights, privileges, and adornments of womanhood.

I am therefore allowed to play the victim card. Since I am a victim, I can no longer be the aggressor; hence no appropriation.

... but I appropriated the right to play the victim card.

This is a rather offensive post, just so you know.

Transvestism does not mean you are transgendered. Please do not refer to them as the same thing again. It's actually very hurtful. I'm sure you didn't mean to be hurtful, but I wanted to let you know that it's not okay to make that equivocation.

I won't even touch the rest of your post because holy shit. But yeah. Please be more careful about your terminology.


So, you are telling me how to identify now?

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #3688 on: June 16, 2017, 10:08:31 AM »
Is dressing in drag considered cultural appropriation?

I'm sure there are certain people who would argue that. I believe a lot of feminist make a claim similar to that when transgender people dress in retrograde (from a feminist perspective) outfits and perpetuate a narrow, "sexy" standard of femininity, as was the backlash from many in the feminist community when Bruce-turned-Caitlin Jenner posed for the cover of Vogue for her coming out party.

Here's my thinking.

If I am a man in drag, according to current convention, I am to be referred to as a "trans-woman", entitled to all the rights, privileges, and adornments of womanhood.

I am therefore allowed to play the victim card. Since I am a victim, I can no longer be the aggressor; hence no appropriation.

... but I appropriated the right to play the victim card.

This is a rather offensive post, just so you know.

Transvestism does not mean you are transgendered. Please do not refer to them as the same thing again. It's actually very hurtful. I'm sure you didn't mean to be hurtful, but I wanted to let you know that it's not okay to make that equivocation.

I won't even touch the rest of your post because holy shit. But yeah. Please be more careful about your terminology.


BTW Japanese people cream their jeans when they see foreigners doing Japanese stuff. Sorry, truth.

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #3689 on: June 16, 2017, 10:43:01 AM »
Is dressing in drag considered cultural appropriation?

I'm sure there are certain people who would argue that. I believe a lot of feminist make a claim similar to that when transgender people dress in retrograde (from a feminist perspective) outfits and perpetuate a narrow, "sexy" standard of femininity, as was the backlash from many in the feminist community when Bruce-turned-Caitlin Jenner posed for the cover of Vogue for her coming out party.

Here's my thinking.

If I am a man in drag, according to current convention, I am to be referred to as a "trans-woman", entitled to all the rights, privileges, and adornments of womanhood.

I am therefore allowed to play the victim card. Since I am a victim, I can no longer be the aggressor; hence no appropriation.

... but I appropriated the right to play the victim card.

This is a rather offensive post, just so you know.

Transvestism does not mean you are transgendered. Please do not refer to them as the same thing again. It's actually very hurtful. I'm sure you didn't mean to be hurtful, but I wanted to let you know that it's not okay to make that equivocation.

I won't even touch the rest of your post because holy shit. But yeah. Please be more careful about your terminology.


So, you are telling me how to identify now?

Drag is more of a performance, the men create a female persona and act as the persona for periods of time but at the end of the day they typically take it off. It's not always how they want to be 24/7. There are exceptions, but you'll fine many men in drag like to be able to be in or out of drag. It doesn't mean that they're transgender women or that they want to be.

The terminology can be confusing and sometimes people are pretty unforgiving when you use the wrong terminology but now you know :)

Also, RuPaul's Drag Race is on Korean Netflix if you want to do more research, so is Bianca's movie (she was a queen from one of the seasons... I forget which one...)

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #3690 on: June 16, 2017, 11:01:33 AM »
Last night a coT texted me asking if I'd seen his USB. I recalled seeing it in the English room computer so I told him as much.

Wouldn't the computer be one of-- if not the first-- place you check?  :undecided:

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #3691 on: June 16, 2017, 11:16:43 AM »
Is dressing in drag considered cultural appropriation?

I'm sure there are certain people who would argue that. I believe a lot of feminist make a claim similar to that when transgender people dress in retrograde (from a feminist perspective) outfits and perpetuate a narrow, "sexy" standard of femininity, as was the backlash from many in the feminist community when Bruce-turned-Caitlin Jenner posed for the cover of Vogue for her coming out party.

Here's my thinking.

If I am a man in drag, according to current convention, I am to be referred to as a "trans-woman", entitled to all the rights, privileges, and adornments of womanhood.

I am therefore allowed to play the victim card. Since I am a victim, I can no longer be the aggressor; hence no appropriation.

... but I appropriated the right to play the victim card.

This is a rather offensive post, just so you know.

Transvestism does not mean you are transgendered. Please do not refer to them as the same thing again. It's actually very hurtful. I'm sure you didn't mean to be hurtful, but I wanted to let you know that it's not okay to make that equivocation.

I won't even touch the rest of your post because holy shit. But yeah. Please be more careful about your terminology.


So, you are telling me how to identify now?

Drag is more of a performance, the men create a female persona and act as the persona for periods of time but at the end of the day they typically take it off. It's not always how they want to be 24/7. There are exceptions, but you'll fine many men in drag like to be able to be in or out of drag. It doesn't mean that they're transgender women or that they want to be.

The terminology can be confusing and sometimes people are pretty unforgiving when you use the wrong terminology but now you know :)

Also, RuPaul's Drag Race is on Korean Netflix if you want to do more research, so is Bianca's movie (she was a queen from one of the seasons... I forget which one...)

I'm not talking about RuPaul campy drag.

More like getting mistaken for your sister stuff.

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #3692 on: June 16, 2017, 11:27:22 AM »
Is dressing in drag considered cultural appropriation?

I'm sure there are certain people who would argue that. I believe a lot of feminist make a claim similar to that when transgender people dress in retrograde (from a feminist perspective) outfits and perpetuate a narrow, "sexy" standard of femininity, as was the backlash from many in the feminist community when Bruce-turned-Caitlin Jenner posed for the cover of Vogue for her coming out party.

Here's my thinking.

If I am a man in drag, according to current convention, I am to be referred to as a "trans-woman", entitled to all the rights, privileges, and adornments of womanhood.

I am therefore allowed to play the victim card. Since I am a victim, I can no longer be the aggressor; hence no appropriation.

... but I appropriated the right to play the victim card.

Would you extend that right to Rachel Dolezal?



A counter argument might be (er, often is) that men dressing in drag can go back to dressing as men at anytime, and the same holds true for Rachel Dolezal, but that's not the case for people who are naturally part of the community they are trying to insert themselves into.

And yeah, cross dressers hardly ever always dress in drag.

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #3693 on: June 16, 2017, 11:32:58 AM »
Is dressing in drag considered cultural appropriation?

I'm sure there are certain people who would argue that. I believe a lot of feminist make a claim similar to that when transgender people dress in retrograde (from a feminist perspective) outfits and perpetuate a narrow, "sexy" standard of femininity, as was the backlash from many in the feminist community when Bruce-turned-Caitlin Jenner posed for the cover of Vogue for her coming out party.

Here's my thinking.

If I am a man in drag, according to current convention, I am to be referred to as a "trans-woman", entitled to all the rights, privileges, and adornments of womanhood.

I am therefore allowed to play the victim card. Since I am a victim, I can no longer be the aggressor; hence no appropriation.

... but I appropriated the right to play the victim card.

This is a rather offensive post, just so you know.

Transvestism does not mean you are transgendered. Please do not refer to them as the same thing again. It's actually very hurtful. I'm sure you didn't mean to be hurtful, but I wanted to let you know that it's not okay to make that equivocation.

I won't even touch the rest of your post because holy shit. But yeah. Please be more careful about your terminology.


So, you are telling me how to identify now?

Drag is more of a performance, the men create a female persona and act as the persona for periods of time but at the end of the day they typically take it off. It's not always how they want to be 24/7. There are exceptions, but you'll fine many men in drag like to be able to be in or out of drag. It doesn't mean that they're transgender women or that they want to be.

The terminology can be confusing and sometimes people are pretty unforgiving when you use the wrong terminology but now you know :)

Also, RuPaul's Drag Race is on Korean Netflix if you want to do more research, so is Bianca's movie (she was a queen from one of the seasons... I forget which one...)

I'm not talking about RuPaul campy drag.

More like getting mistaken for your sister stuff.

That's not drag then, are you talking about androgynous people? Transgender women? Someone who's gender fluid? Drag is a very specific thing that I think you're confusing with something else. I can see someone arguing that drag is cultural appropriation (even tho I hate when people scream about cultural appropriation) but if you're talking about people who are transgender that's a bit different.

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #3694 on: June 16, 2017, 11:37:30 AM »
Is dressing in drag considered cultural appropriation?

I'm sure there are certain people who would argue that. I believe a lot of feminist make a claim similar to that when transgender people dress in retrograde (from a feminist perspective) outfits and perpetuate a narrow, "sexy" standard of femininity, as was the backlash from many in the feminist community when Bruce-turned-Caitlin Jenner posed for the cover of Vogue for her coming out party.

Here's my thinking.

If I am a man in drag, according to current convention, I am to be referred to as a "trans-woman", entitled to all the rights, privileges, and adornments of womanhood.

I am therefore allowed to play the victim card. Since I am a victim, I can no longer be the aggressor; hence no appropriation.

... but I appropriated the right to play the victim card.

Would you extend that right to Rachel Dolezal?



A counter argument might be (er, often is) that men dressing in drag can go back to dressing as men at anytime, and the same holds true for Rachel Dolezal, but that's not the case for people who are naturally part of the community they are trying to insert themselves into.

And yeah, cross dressers hardly ever always dress in drag.

Why can't women become men a la Yentil? Or blacks become white, a la Falconhurst ?


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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #3695 on: June 16, 2017, 12:01:56 PM »
I miss American television. Not that I watched TV a lot, but I enjoyed watching Food Network and HLN or having it in the background.

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« Reply #3696 on: June 16, 2017, 12:03:32 PM »
I miss American television. Not that I watched TV a lot, but I enjoyed watching Food Network and HLN or having it in the background.
I've just started watching Master Chef Australia and have it on in the background while I grade and lesson plan.

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« Reply #3697 on: June 16, 2017, 12:11:42 PM »
I miss American television. Not that I watched TV a lot, but I enjoyed watching Food Network and HLN or having it in the background.
I've just started watching Master Chef Australia and have it on in the background while I grade and lesson plan.

Is it any good? I'm quite partial to the Master Chef US judges...

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #3698 on: June 16, 2017, 01:00:42 PM »
Why can't women become men a la Yentil? Or blacks become white, a la Falconhurst ?

They're certainly free to try, but they might be accused of "appropriation", or worse~

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In Defense of Cultural Appropriation
nytimes.com/2017/06/14/opinion/in-defense-of-cultural-appropriation.html

Don't worry. It's written by a former Indian.

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Critics of cultural appropriation insist that they are opposed not to cultural engagement, but to racism. They want to protect marginalized cultures and ensure that such cultures speak for themselves, not simply be seen through the eyes of more privileged groups.

Certainly, cultural engagement does not take place on a level playing field. Racism and inequality shape the ways in which people imagine others. Yet it is difficult to see how creating gated cultures helps promote social justice.
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The accusation of cultural appropriation is a secular version of the charge of blasphemy. It’s the insistence that certain beliefs and images are so important to particular cultures that they may not appropriated by others.
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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #3699 on: June 16, 2017, 02:59:53 PM »

I am so exhausted that I just read an entire locked thread, and in this thread I am pretty sure that a South African commented (I am pretty sure he is a saffa) and then he got attacked for his culture;  which of course only registered with me as "South African", when in fact the point was being made to a particular religious culture, but DAMN it took me a long time to figure that all out.  So for a while there, I was wondering "what kind of ignorant nutcase thinks Saffas don't let women drive?"  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I'm still laughing at myself for the train of thought.

Anyway...added note: In South Africa, many of my female friends are of this religious culture and they drive like bats out of hell. No one "lets" a South African woman do anything. We do what we want!
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