February 22, 2019, 12:26:07 PM


Ohmyzip.com From US To Korea - $7.50 (LB)
[SHOP US, SHIP KOREA] From $7.50 (1LB) + $1.74 per pound only! Use the Ohmyzip U.S. a tax-free state address as your shipping address at checkout. Sign up now to get a 10% off coupon on shipping. <Freight Forwarding Service / Courier Service>
http://www.ohmyzip.com/

Author Topic: Air pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?  (Read 97132 times)

Offline Life Improvement

  • The Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 3112
Re: Pollution blues
« Reply #160 on: November 05, 2016, 02:33:07 PM »
Air quality in our home countries:

http://aqicn.org/city/dublin

http://aqicn.org/city/newyork/

http://aqicn.org/city/sydney

http://aqicn.org/city/toronto/

http://aqicn.org/city/london

http://aqicn.org/city/new-zealand/canterbury/kaiapoi/

http://aqicn.org/city/south-africa/richardsbay/mtunzini/

For some reason, London is a bit higher than the rest every time I check. Not sure why. Still, significantly lower than South Korea (and China). In the others, much, much lower.

Offline MWeb37

  • Super Waygook
  • ***
  • Posts: 422
  • Gender: Male
Re: Pollution blues
« Reply #161 on: November 08, 2016, 03:13:54 PM »
'Selling Air (A.K.A. The Idea They Thought of Next)'

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/world/what-in-the-world/china-bottled-air-pollution.html?smid=nytcore-iphone-share&smprod=nytcore-iphone

And now, air imported from the farthest (and cleanest) reaches of the world.


Offline grey

  • Hero of Waygookistan
  • *****
  • Posts: 1500
  • Gender: Male
  • Cya West Japan aka Baby China
Re: Pollution blues
« Reply #162 on: December 13, 2016, 01:12:25 PM »
After long last I finally received all my pollution testing gear.

I will soon post my results on the fan/hepa filter effectiveness.
Ko fills half his luggage with instant noodles for his international business travels, a lesson he learned after assuming on his first trip that three packages would suffice for six days. “Man, was I wrong. Since then, I always make sure I pack enough.”
-AP

donovan

  • Guest
Re: Pollution blues
« Reply #163 on: December 13, 2016, 01:54:23 PM »
After long last I finally received all my pollution testing gear.

I will soon post my results on the fan/hepa filter effectiveness.

Please post your results! I recently jury-rigged one of those cheap Oclair filters you linked to earlier to a ventilation fan and put it under my desk at home. It looks ridiculous and I have no idea if it's doing the job. :undecided:
« Last Edit: December 13, 2016, 02:02:59 PM by donovan »

Offline macteacher

  • Expert Waygook
  • ****
  • Posts: 657
  • Gender: Male
Re: Pollution blues
« Reply #164 on: December 13, 2016, 02:41:34 PM »


it's been bad lately. except it's worse because everyone seems to be sick in seoul and i can't get over my chest cold.

Offline amyb72

  • Veteran
  • **
  • Posts: 87
  • Gender: Female
Re: Pollution blues
« Reply #165 on: December 15, 2016, 08:44:45 PM »
Hello, I've been in Korea for about a year and a half. The first 6 months I was placed in the countryside so I had no issues with pollution, this year though I moved to just outside of Seoul. For the past 3 months I have also been sick, on and off. The first 2 doctors I went to kept saying I just had a cold. Then finally I got a doctor (I went to a 내과 and they specialize in internal medicine) who did a chest xray and he said that I had probably started with a cold which then turned into pneumonia due to me being asthmatic as well. Do you have asthma? Or do you think maybe you could have and it hasn't been diagnosed? I have asthma and I knew before but it had never affected me in my life and I rarely ever got sick before moving to this polluted area. Anyway, this doctor prescribed me medicine to clear up the infection and a different kind of asthma inhaler which I had to take 2 times a day for a month. After this diagnosis and medication change I got better so fast. 
But then my students started getting sick and it came back to me, this time no chest infection just a lingering sore throat. I can make it through my days but it's just a bother to have a sore throat which is lingering and sometimes its better and then sometimes it's worse. This has been going on for about a month now.. Also I am wondering how can I get it gone for good..or is it more due to the bad air quality than the fact my students gave me their sickness....or both??

Offline MWeb37

  • Super Waygook
  • ***
  • Posts: 422
  • Gender: Male
Re: Pollution blues
« Reply #166 on: January 19, 2017, 01:45:06 PM »
Bumping this thread for the TERRIBLE pollution we've been having for 2 days.

Offline kyndo

  • Moderator LVL 1
  • The Legend
  • *
  • Posts: 4752
Re: Pollution blues
« Reply #167 on: January 19, 2017, 02:15:37 PM »
    I live in the countryside an hour out from Daegu, and this morning was maybe the worst I've seen in 6 years.
    It's the first time that I've ever wished I had a car to drive to work rather than walk 10 minutes. The air tasted like metal and ash and all the nearby mountains were shrouded in lead-grey smog.

   And then one of my coworkers commented on how pretty the fog was.  :huh: >:(

 ... it was a great opportunity to practice my SNIP skills...
« Last Edit: January 19, 2017, 02:20:11 PM by kyndo »

Offline weigookin74

  • The Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 4166
  • Gender: Male
Re: Pollution blues
« Reply #168 on: January 27, 2017, 04:01:11 AM »
Not sure what the hell is going on.  Has seemed bad in phases over the past year on and off.  I don't remember it being so bad except for some parts of Spring and a couple of winter days.  I do like the not being hotter than hell aspect of the winters here.  Pretty mild, only occasionally cold.  But the air seems to be the real downside.  Summers here suck big time, but they seem to have cleaner air. 

Offline Life Improvement

  • The Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 3112
Re: Pollution blues
« Reply #169 on: January 27, 2017, 05:40:28 AM »
Not sure what the hell is going on.

During the winter, people in Mongolia and China burn coal for heating. Some of that pollution blows over to Korea. But mostly because inside South Korea, coal is being burned year round at a large scale to make electricity.

Quote
Currently, Korea has 53 coal powered plants in operation, with 20 more being built.

Offline weigookin74

  • The Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 4166
  • Gender: Male
Re: Pollution blues
« Reply #170 on: January 28, 2017, 09:36:18 AM »
Not sure what the hell is going on.

During the winter, people in Mongolia and China burn coal for heating. Some of that pollution blows over to Korea. But mostly because inside South Korea, coal is being burned year round at a large scale to make electricity.

Quote
Currently, Korea has 53 coal powered plants in operation, with 20 more being built.

Well, it never seemed this bad until recently.  I've been here a decade.  I don't remember it being to this extreme. 

Offline Life Improvement

  • The Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 3112
Re: Pollution blues
« Reply #171 on: February 02, 2017, 12:38:11 PM »
Most other countries are turning away from coal (to protect the environment). This causes the price of coal to go down. The cheap price of coal in turn leads South Korea to burn more of it. As a result, pollution across the peninsula becomes worse.

Offline MWeb37

  • Super Waygook
  • ***
  • Posts: 422
  • Gender: Male
Re: Pollution blues
« Reply #172 on: February 02, 2017, 01:11:41 PM »
Past few days have actually been pretty decent.

Offline pigeonfart

  • Expert Waygook
  • ****
  • Posts: 506
Re: Pollution blues
« Reply #173 on: February 02, 2017, 02:36:43 PM »
Past few days have actually been pretty decent.
You say "pretty decent" and i understand why you said that (because you've adapted well to living in a polluted country, and don't see the pollution as much anymore).

The truth is it's not decent.

Even Seoul's recent levels of PM10 being in the 30's and 40's (micrograms), or PM2.5 levels being in the 20's and 30's....it has a LONG TERM CHRONIC effect that can be even more insidious. People here freak out about the bad days because they're so visually different (and sometimes you can even taste it!). They often then take preventative measures which is great. But on these "decent" days they're less likely to take preventative measures and that's where the danger lies over the long term. Did you wear a mask today? Did you use an air purifier indoors? Did you shut all doors and windows? (I did)

Birth defects have nearly DOUBLED in South Korea in the last 20 years and air pollution was a major determining factor....
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20160509001075

These are the facts. So not so "decent" at all, although i get what you're saying. Sorry to be so pedantic.

Offline MWeb37

  • Super Waygook
  • ***
  • Posts: 422
  • Gender: Male
Re: Pollution blues
« Reply #174 on: February 02, 2017, 02:57:57 PM »
Past few days have actually been pretty decent.
You say "pretty decent" and i understand why you said that (because you've adapted well to living in a polluted country, and don't see the pollution as much anymore).

The truth is it's not decent.

Even Seoul's recent levels of PM10 being in the 30's and 40's (micrograms), or PM2.5 levels being in the 20's and 30's....it has a LONG TERM CHRONIC effect that can be even more insidious. People here freak out about the bad days because they're so visually different (and sometimes you can even taste it!). They often then take preventative measures which is great. But on these "decent" days they're less likely to take preventative measures and that's where the danger lies over the long term. Did you wear a mask today? Did you use an air purifier indoors? Did you shut all doors and windows? (I did)

Birth defects have nearly DOUBLED in South Korea in the last 20 years and air pollution was a major determining factor....
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20160509001075

These are the facts. So not so "decent" at all, although i get what you're saying. Sorry to be so pedantic.

Having recently spent 6 months in areas with little/no pollution, I understand the difference the air makes.

You're preaching to the choir, but after almost 5 years I've come to grips with the reality of the air here.

Online Thomas Mc

  • Super Waygook
  • ***
  • Posts: 356
Re: Pollution blues
« Reply #175 on: February 03, 2017, 07:10:41 AM »
Absolutely laughable that someone would think readings such as 20 or 30 is a problem.

In northern China a reading like that are considered incrediblely good. Not joking I mean so incredibly good it's time to don the sweat pants and go jogging in the park. (And by the way you don't get to do that too often)

However things are set to improve in China whereas the Koreans have shown that it's not a priority for them and they will build more coal fired power stations.

Offline Life Improvement

  • The Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 3112
Re: Pollution blues
« Reply #176 on: February 03, 2017, 07:56:26 AM »
You say "pretty decent" and i understand why you said that (because you've adapted well to living in a polluted country, and don't see the pollution as much anymore).

The truth is it's not decent.

Even Seoul's recent levels of PM10 being in the 30's and 40's (micrograms), or PM2.5 levels being in the 20's and 30's....it has a LONG TERM CHRONIC effect that can be even more insidious.

Agreed...but...Seoul's recent levels have been higher than that...

Now it's 119 in Seoul compared to 41 in New York City. That's three times as high. Toronto is 13, Portland is 12, etc., etc.

http://aqicn.org/city/seoul/
http://aqicn.org/city/newyork
http://aqicn.org/city/toronto
http://aqicn.org/city/usa/oregon/portland/



Online Savant

  • Hero of Waygookistan
  • *****
  • Posts: 1835
Re: Pollution blues
« Reply #177 on: February 03, 2017, 08:20:23 AM »
You say "pretty decent" and i understand why you said that (because you've adapted well to living in a polluted country, and don't see the pollution as much anymore).

The truth is it's not decent.

Even Seoul's recent levels of PM10 being in the 30's and 40's (micrograms), or PM2.5 levels being in the 20's and 30's....it has a LONG TERM CHRONIC effect that can be even more insidious.

Agreed...but...Seoul's recent levels have been higher than that...

Now it's 119 in Seoul compared to 41 in New York City. That's three times as high. Toronto is 13, Portland is 12, etc., etc.

http://aqicn.org/city/seoul/
http://aqicn.org/city/newyork
http://aqicn.org/city/toronto
http://aqicn.org/city/usa/oregon/portland/

This winter, I'm seeing it getting warmer as the pollution level rises rather than it just being less cold.

Offline Life Improvement

  • The Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 3112
Re: Pollution blues
« Reply #178 on: February 03, 2017, 08:31:27 AM »
Global warming?

Offline weigookin74

  • The Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 4166
  • Gender: Male
Re: Pollution blues
« Reply #179 on: February 06, 2017, 08:38:23 AM »
Past few days have actually been pretty decent.
You say "pretty decent" and i understand why you said that (because you've adapted well to living in a polluted country, and don't see the pollution as much anymore).

The truth is it's not decent.

Even Seoul's recent levels of PM10 being in the 30's and 40's (micrograms), or PM2.5 levels being in the 20's and 30's....it has a LONG TERM CHRONIC effect that can be even more insidious. People here freak out about the bad days because they're so visually different (and sometimes you can even taste it!). They often then take preventative measures which is great. But on these "decent" days they're less likely to take preventative measures and that's where the danger lies over the long term. Did you wear a mask today? Did you use an air purifier indoors? Did you shut all doors and windows? (I did)

Birth defects have nearly DOUBLED in South Korea in the last 20 years and air pollution was a major determining factor....
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20160509001075

These are the facts. So not so "decent" at all, although i get what you're saying. Sorry to be so pedantic.

A lot of veterans from the 90's told me how terrible to the air use to be here.  Burning eyes, throat, etc.  Much better nowadays or was.  But, it seems to be getting worse again.  China's air which is prob still a good 60 to 70% in winter and the rest being from more coal plants.  Everyone bitches about clean air back home, but the air is not dirty at all.  Folks are idiots with no clue. 

I'm guessing Fukushima has turned the gov off of nuclear power which i cleaner.  Seemed cleaner much of thetime several years ago.  But with the government using more coal plants instead of natural gas or nuclear (windmills and solar will not meet the energy needs at this time), combined with China building more coal plants too, it may get worse in winter.  (This is especially true on the warmer days.) 

I am using a good mask sometimes to walk a long distance.  I also use an air cleaner inside my home.  I don't get sensitive to the air or anything, but why provoke things down the road.  Air usually seems cleaner later spring summer and into early fall.  (Humidity sucks though.)  You may use a re ship site.  https://boxoregon.com/  Saw that advertised on here.  I have this mask.  Got US relatives to re ship to me.  https://www.amazon.com/Respro-Cinqro-Mask-by/dp/B00D5SBWAG/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1486340705&sr=8-5&keywords=respro%2Bmasks&th=1&psc=1

Get the X Large if you're a man and a Large maybe if you're a woman.  (If you're small and really skinny, get a smaller size.  Otherwise, get a larger size.  I had a large andit was tight.  X Large fits much better.  Get a whol bunch of replacement masks.  I don't wear them often here.  Mostly if I have to go out on the red days.  So, wll last a lot longer than if you used in say China.  Just put it in  ziplock bag when not using it to polong the life of it, especially the filter.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00N3RC406/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1TRV1T3DGUL20