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Re: Funding for Native English Teacher in Rural Public Schools?
« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2018, 05:52:33 AM »
Jobs were very competitive and hard to get from 2009 to 2014 2015 or so.

In 2009, 22,642 E2s (12,739 male / 9,903 female).

In 2014, 17,949  E2s (9,074 male / 8,875 female).

In 2015, 16,144  E2s (7,883 male / 8,261 female).

In 2018, 13,932 E2s (5,868 male / 8,064 female).


See a pattern there?

HUGE drop for male E2s. Not as big of a drop for female E2s.

(There is and has always been a preference for females over males...but fewer females apply.)

The market is getting more and more competitive in 2018/2019 and will continue to do so.

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Re: Funding for Native English Teacher in Rural Public Schools?
« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2018, 06:07:14 AM »
My guess is if you aren't fussy about location, a public school job is easy to get compared to 5 or 6 years ago

The number of public school jobs is shrinking...while the number of applicants is increasing (due to the popularity of BTS and other K pop groups).

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Public school NETs:

2011: 9,320
2012: 8,520
2013: 7,916
2014: 6,785
2015: 5,545
2016: 4,962

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Re: Funding for Native English Teacher in Rural Public Schools?
« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2018, 03:09:57 PM »
My guess is if you aren't fussy about location, a public school job is easy to get compared to 5 or 6 years ago

The number of public school jobs is shrinking...while the number of applicants is increasing (due to the popularity of BTS and other K pop groups).

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Public school NETs:

2011: 9,320
2012: 8,520
2013: 7,916
2014: 6,785
2015: 5,545
2016: 4,962

Someone else had just said they heard from EPIK that they couldn't fill all their positions, plus I think they are ramping up again with hiring.  It surged during the Great Recession and then gradually started coming down.  Seoul and Gyeonggi cuts started 2012 and 2013?  Elsewhere started briefly for 2014 and into 2015?  Then after this or around this time, the public schools were trying to hire more again?  I had heard this.  Maybe by 2016 or 2017? 

Number is increasing due to BTS?  What?  I couldn't imagine anyone liking BTS enough to want to come and teach little Koreans. 

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Re: Funding for Native English Teacher in Rural Public Schools?
« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2018, 03:13:40 PM »
I couldn't imagine anyone liking BTS enough to want to come and teach little Koreans.

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Re: Funding for Native English Teacher in Rural Public Schools?
« Reply #24 on: December 24, 2018, 03:15:13 PM »
I couldn't imagine anyone liking BTS enough to want to come and teach little Koreans.

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Re: Funding for Native English Teacher in Rural Public Schools?
« Reply #25 on: December 24, 2018, 03:17:16 PM »
Anyways, the Americans flooded in here to escape the recession.  Now that the economy is good and the exchange rate sucks for them, I would imagine many have gone home or have moved onto China.  Americans were half the number in 2015.  https://modernseoul.org/2016/09/29/south-korean-immigration-statistics-e2-visas-2015/

I would like to see the 2017 and 2018 numbers before drawing conclusions.  But some hakwon job offers on facebook groups etc have been slowly raising their wages offered (though not all).  Regular hours. 

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Re: Funding for Native English Teacher in Rural Public Schools?
« Reply #26 on: December 24, 2018, 03:21:52 PM »
"The industry has gone down since the Korean wave hit. Too many kpop fans running over to chase their weeaboo dreams while trying to become youtube stars while teaching English. Pay is awful now. The demands are too high for low benefits."

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Re: Funding for Native English Teacher in Rural Public Schools?
« Reply #27 on: December 24, 2018, 07:28:00 PM »
Cry me a river Warlock. Keep re-using your lesson plans. LOL!

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Re: Funding for Native English Teacher in Rural Public Schools?
« Reply #28 on: December 26, 2018, 09:28:42 AM »
"The industry has gone down since the Korean wave hit. Too many kpop fans running over to chase their weeaboo dreams while trying to become youtube stars while teaching English. Pay is awful now. The demands are too high for low benefits."

I went home last summer, I didn't see an infatuation with Korean culture.  If it is, it would just be a tiny cult like subset.  Though I do see more white chicks dating Korean guys compared to 10 years ago.  The number is still small.  But much more than it would have been 10 years ago. 

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Re: Funding for Native English Teacher in Rural Public Schools?
« Reply #29 on: December 26, 2018, 05:14:50 PM »
Just a few thousand out of a population of hundreds of millions is a tiny percentage...but that's enough to greatly impact the tiny niche market that is teaching English as a Westerner in South Korea.

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Re: Funding for Native English Teacher in Rural Public Schools?
« Reply #30 on: January 03, 2019, 01:59:58 PM »
I may yet have to find another country then.  Ha ha.

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Re: Funding for Native English Teacher in Rural Public Schools?
« Reply #31 on: January 03, 2019, 02:55:38 PM »
Jobs were very competitive and hard to get from 2009 to 2014 2015 or so.

In 2009, 22,642 E2s (12,739 male / 9,903 female).

In 2014, 17,949  E2s (9,074 male / 8,875 female).

In 2015, 16,144  E2s (7,883 male / 8,261 female).

In 2018, 13,932 E2s (5,868 male / 8,064 female).


See a pattern there?

HUGE drop for male E2s. Not as big of a drop for female E2s.

(There is and has always been a preference for females over males...but fewer females apply.)

The market is getting more and more competitive in 2018/2019 and will continue to do so.

I do hear first hand that jobs were more competitive during the height of the Great Recession and a few years afterwards.  As for numbers dropping, it doesn't say why.  Due to cuts or teachers going to China, going home due to a better economy, etc.  It probably is a combination of all factors.  Supply and demand plays a role too.  When you see some jobs raising the salaries offered and someone on here said they knew someone high up in EPIK couldn't send a foreigner to every place that wanted one, it makes me wonder.  (EPIK didn't have enough foreigners.)  I have heard it is easier to get a job now than say 2010 and 2011.  Market is less flooded.  But by no means is it the golden age at all.  (A decade ago.)  I suspect less demand and some cuts too play a role.  But the data doesn't tell us why or give an explanation. 

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Re: Funding for Native English Teacher in Rural Public Schools?
« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2019, 08:02:41 PM »
The Korean economy has really sucked for a couple years, basically since Moon Jae-in got into power. I can't imagine there's a lot of money floating around for foreigner welfare programs like EPIK.

There were a lot of EPIK/GEPIK cuts around 2014/2015, and several before that, and that was when the Korean economy was good.
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Re: Funding for Native English Teacher in Rural Public Schools?
« Reply #33 on: January 04, 2019, 03:21:48 AM »
I have heard it is easier to get a job now than say 2010 and 2011.

But you also heard Trump is a great president and believe that. And are an Alex Jones Infowars Prison Planet fan.

So maybe you have your beliefs and nothing can change your mind?

Ask anyone who works in a university- every year gets more difficult to get in. 2010/2011 was way easier. And before that even more so.

EPIK has been and continues to reject tons of applicants. There is no shortage. (Maybe they can't get enough of the people they want, which is young and female.)

And the golden age for Westerners in Korea (and elsewhere around the world) was thirty years ago. Insane amount of money could be made. There's been a slow gradual decline since then.

2010 - 23,317  (12,887 males / 10,430 females)
2011 - 22,541  (12,375 males / 10,166 females)
2018 - 13,932  (  5,868 males /   8,064 females)

As the number of job openings went down (due to a long declining birthrate, etc.)....

From 2010 to 2018... 7,019 fewer males ... but only 2,366 fewer females.

It's obvious males are being pushed out. Or at least hired less as inexperienced applicants compared to females, and by a wide margin. That's an indication of an increasingly competitive market. Saw ads looking for females today with zero ads specifying a preference for males.

Let me know when your salary goes up. It never will because the ceiling was reached. Meaning adjusted for inflation it continues to go down every year. The day that changes is the day I'll eat my hat.