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What to do When All the Doctors Have Failed
« on: November 29, 2018, 07:48:19 AM »
I'm at my wit's end.

Some of you may remember months back when I had a medical fiasco. I was trying my best to get treated for a disease and had to journey throughout my city just to find a doctor who could treat me. I visited multiple clinics and two major hospitals before I finally got a doctor who could tell me what was wrong with me. This doctor was a "specialist" and was able to give me the proper medication, where the other doctors at clinics couldn't.

Weeks after I finished taking all the meds, the symptoms returned. I visited my local clinic, this time telling them exactly what my previous ailment was. They gave me the same meds which the specialist gave me, and they had the same effect. It suppressed my disease only to for it to come back weeks later. And by no circumstances have I been doing anything that could cause it to worsen.

I've spent so much money. Wasted so much time. I can't even count on both hands anymore how many blood samples I've had taken this year. What's worse is that this is the kind of disease that could have permanent damage if it doesn't get treated in time. I just want it to end.

If someone has any advice, I'm all ears. I'm stressed about several things in Korea, and I was really hoping that healthcare wouldn't have to be one of them.
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Re: What to do When All the Doctors Have Failed
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2018, 08:32:34 AM »
I'm at my wit's end.

Some of you may remember months back when I had a medical fiasco. I was trying my best to get treated for a disease and had to journey throughout my city just to find a doctor who could treat me. I visited multiple clinics and two major hospitals before I finally got a doctor who could tell me what was wrong with me. This doctor was a "specialist" and was able to give me the proper medication, where the other doctors at clinics couldn't.

Weeks after I finished taking all the meds, the symptoms returned. I visited my local clinic, this time telling them exactly what my previous ailment was. They gave me the same meds which the specialist gave me, and they had the same effect. It suppressed my disease only to for it to come back weeks later. And by no circumstances have I been doing anything that could cause it to worsen.

I've spent so much money. Wasted so much time. I can't even count on both hands anymore how many blood samples I've had taken this year. What's worse is that this is the kind of disease that could have permanent damage if it doesn't get treated in time. I just want it to end.

If someone has any advice, I'm all ears. I'm stressed about several things in Korea, and I was really hoping that healthcare wouldn't have to be one of them.

If it's as serious as you say, just go home and get treated.

Hopefully, you can complete the rest of your contract and get your severance before leaving. Even if the treatment back home puts you in debt, isn't it better to be in debt for the next few years than dead or permanently disabled?
You can always come back to Korea once you're better.

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Re: What to do When All the Doctors Have Failed
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2018, 08:34:48 AM »
I'm at my wit's end.

Some of you may remember months back when I had a medical fiasco. I was trying my best to get treated for a disease and had to journey throughout my city just to find a doctor who could treat me. I visited multiple clinics and two major hospitals before I finally got a doctor who could tell me what was wrong with me. This doctor was a "specialist" and was able to give me the proper medication, where the other doctors at clinics couldn't.

Weeks after I finished taking all the meds, the symptoms returned. I visited my local clinic, this time telling them exactly what my previous ailment was. They gave me the same meds which the specialist gave me, and they had the same effect. It suppressed my disease only to for it to come back weeks later. And by no circumstances have I been doing anything that could cause it to worsen.

I've spent so much money. Wasted so much time. I can't even count on both hands anymore how many blood samples I've had taken this year. What's worse is that this is the kind of disease that could have permanent damage if it doesn't get treated in time. I just want it to end.

If someone has any advice, I'm all ears. I'm stressed about several things in Korea, and I was really hoping that healthcare wouldn't have to be one of them.

If it's as serious as you say, just go home and get treated.

Hopefully, you can complete the rest of your contract and get your severance before leaving. Even if the treatment back home puts you in debt, isn't it better to be in debt for the next few years than dead or permanently disabled?
You can always come back to Korea once you're better.

Take care of yourself.

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Re: What to do When All the Doctors Have Failed
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2018, 11:50:33 AM »
If it's as serious as you say, just go home and get treated.

Hopefully, you can complete the rest of your contract and get your severance before leaving. Even if the treatment back home puts you in debt, isn't it better to be in debt for the next few years than dead or permanently disabled?
You can always come back to Korea once you're better.

Take care of yourself.

Fortunately, what I'm dealing with won't kill me. I truly want to take care of myself, but it's hard to when the "professionals" who are supposed to make things right are just incompetent. If I go home, there's no telling what kind of extra debt I'd accrue. If it's possible to deal with it here, I'd like to so I can at least not have to worry about that when it's time to head home. I don't want to do a "midnight run." I believe in seeing things through.

Surely there's SOMEONE in Korea that can help, right? I don't wanna believe that there's not a single doctor capable of fixing me here.
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Re: What to do When All the Doctors Have Failed
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2018, 12:01:47 PM »
Are you in Seoul? Go to Samsung Hospital, Asan Hospital in Jamsil or Yonsei University Hospital. These three places of international level health care and from my experience they are thorough and will usually be as good as you would find back home.
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« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2018, 03:08:03 PM »
Are you in Seoul? Go to Samsung Hospital, Asan Hospital in Jamsil or Yonsei University Hospital. These three places of international level health care and from my experience they are thorough and will usually be as good as you would find back home.

No, but at this point I'd be willing to make some trips to Seoul if it meant getting this over with. I'm only an hour away anyways.
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« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2018, 03:12:14 PM »
Are you in Seoul? Go to Samsung Hospital, Asan Hospital in Jamsil or Yonsei University Hospital. These three places of international level health care and from my experience they are thorough and will usually be as good as you would find back home.

No, but at this point I'd be willing to make some trips to Seoul if it meant getting this over with. I'm only an hour away anyways.

Health care is such a mixed bag here. Sometimes you luck out and find a good doctor in a normal clinic. But in my experience, when it comes to something important you are better off just biting the bullet and going to one of the above places, or if not at least a university hospital in another city. Depending on where the issue is (skin, gastrointestinal, liver etc) they will more than likely have numerous specialists on staff, many of whom will be at least partially western trained.
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Re: What to do When All the Doctors Have Failed
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2018, 03:27:02 PM »
I'm really sorry you're going through this. Having chronic medical issues, no matter how minor, can become extremely stressful.

I'm not a doctor, but I have some experience with the system. It's difficult to advise without knowing what you're up against. If it's a chronic systemic illness, it would be natural to take a while to treat. But you should be able to get appropriate treatment at a large hospital in Korea.
However, if you are not Korean and are afflicted with an illness that is under-represented in Korea (such as Marfans or MS) it might be really difficult to get the right treatment.
Also, mental health care in Korea is still in its infancy. I'm not a mental health professional, but I think it's safe to say that if you need treatment/management services for a mental illness, Korea isn't your best bet.

Best of luck,

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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2018, 05:58:29 PM »
Surely there's SOMEONE in Korea that can help, right? I don't wanna believe that there's not a single doctor capable of fixing me here.

There is. Keep looking. Don't give up. Gotta be some highly skilled K-docs out there.

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Re: What to do When All the Doctors Have Failed
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2018, 07:33:48 PM »
Are you in Seoul? Go to Samsung Hospital, Asan Hospital in Jamsil or Yonsei University Hospital. These three places of international level health care and from my experience they are thorough and will usually be as good as you would find back home.

No, but at this point I'd be willing to make some trips to Seoul if it meant getting this over with. I'm only an hour away anyways.

Sorry to hear about your situation. I think you have a better chance in Seoul because some of the doctors have trained abroad and speak good english. if they don't there is a translator available..


Seoul National University Hospital: (Jongno) 02 2072 2890
Asan Medical Center Songpa-Gu  02 3010 5001
CHA Gangnam Medical Center (Gangnam) 02 3468 2632
Samsung Hospital Kangbuk Jongno 02 2001 5100
Soon Chun Hyang Hospital Bucheon 032 621 6561
St. Mary’s Hospital (Seocho) 02 2258 5745


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"professionals" who are supposed to make things right are just incompetent.

Koreas obsession with youth and looks means they tend to hire doctors under the age of 40. I'd much prefer it if they hired older doctors with the maximum amount of experience.


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this time telling them exactly what my previous ailment was

I assume you're researching your condition on the net and self-diagnosing  and self-treating to some extent. Can bring good results .. but also the opposite. There's a variety of opinions out there and you can easily do the wrong thing at the same time.
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« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2018, 06:34:30 AM »
Yonsei University Hospital in Seoul is pretty amazing. Went there to do my visa medical to come to New Zealand. Nicer than a lot of Western hospitals. Good luck, I've found that I've had to get several second opinions on basic medical problems in Korea. Went to one doctor who said I needed surgery, got freaked out and went to a university hospital doctor in Daegu and he said it was something completely different and gave me some basic medicine that got rid of the symptoms. Scary.

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« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2018, 07:45:49 AM »
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this time telling them exactly what my previous ailment was

I assume you're researching your condition on the net and self-diagnosing  and self-treating to some extent. Can bring good results .. but also the opposite. There's a variety of opinions out there and you can easily do the wrong thing at the same time.

This is from after I went to that "specialist" at the major hospital. I did at one point do an internet search, but I never told anyone something that another doctor didn't.

I'm really sorry you're going through this. Having chronic medical issues, no matter how minor, can become extremely stressful.

I'm not a doctor, but I have some experience with the system. It's difficult to advise without knowing what you're up against. If it's a chronic systemic illness, it would be natural to take a while to treat. But you should be able to get appropriate treatment at a large hospital in Korea.
However, if you are not Korean and are afflicted with an illness that is under-represented in Korea (such as Marfans or MS) it might be really difficult to get the right treatment.
Also, mental health care in Korea is still in its infancy. I'm not a mental health professional, but I think it's safe to say that if you need treatment/management services for a mental illness, Korea isn't your best bet.

Best of luck,

It's not mental, and it's not chronic. It is painful, but I don't think it's outside of what is treatable in Korea.


I know I've been hesitant to even mention what's wrong with me but I'm glad you're all so helpful. Thank you for the sources.
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Re: What to do When All the Doctors Have Failed
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2018, 07:50:00 AM »
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this time telling them exactly what my previous ailment was

I assume you're researching your condition on the net and self-diagnosing  and self-treating to some extent. Can bring good results .. but also the opposite. There's a variety of opinions out there and you can easily do the wrong thing at the same time.

This is from after I went to that "specialist" at the major hospital. I did at one point do an internet search, but I never told anyone something that another doctor didn't.

I'm really sorry you're going through this. Having chronic medical issues, no matter how minor, can become extremely stressful.

I'm not a doctor, but I have some experience with the system. It's difficult to advise without knowing what you're up against. If it's a chronic systemic illness, it would be natural to take a while to treat. But you should be able to get appropriate treatment at a large hospital in Korea.
However, if you are not Korean and are afflicted with an illness that is under-represented in Korea (such as Marfans or MS) it might be really difficult to get the right treatment.
Also, mental health care in Korea is still in its infancy. I'm not a mental health professional, but I think it's safe to say that if you need treatment/management services for a mental illness, Korea isn't your best bet.

Best of luck,

It's not mental, and it's not chronic. It is painful, but I don't think it's outside of what is treatable in Korea.


I know I've been hesitant to even mention what's wrong with me but I'm glad you're all so helpful. Thank you for the sources.


** is there a natural way to treat it? It's really hard to give advice when I don't know the specific issue, but I've had some issues and used home remedies until I found a doctor who was able to help.  Sometimes a change in diet (changing to a plant based diet) can subdue / help  certain medical issues.

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Re: What to do When All the Doctors Have Failed
« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2018, 08:32:50 AM »
Hope you find some good care JVP. Positive Vibes bro.

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« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2018, 08:35:07 AM »
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this time telling them exactly what my previous ailment was

I assume you're researching your condition on the net and self-diagnosing  and self-treating to some extent. Can bring good results .. but also the opposite. There's a variety of opinions out there and you can easily do the wrong thing at the same time.

This is from after I went to that "specialist" at the major hospital. I did at one point do an internet search, but I never told anyone something that another doctor didn't.

Props to OP for that. Too many people these days walk in with a bunch of crap they printed off the internet and 8 seasons of 'House' and proceed to tell their doctors what's wrong with them. You did things the right way- Gather information, but don't say anything a doctor hasn't.

Good luck sir.

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Re: What to do When All the Doctors Have Failed
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2018, 10:05:07 AM »
If it's as serious as you say, just go home and get treated.

Hopefully, you can complete the rest of your contract and get your severance before leaving. Even if the treatment back home puts you in debt, isn't it better to be in debt for the next few years than dead or permanently disabled?
You can always come back to Korea once you're better.

Take care of yourself.

Fortunately, what I'm dealing with won't kill me. I truly want to take care of myself, but it's hard to when the "professionals" who are supposed to make things right are just incompetent. If I go home, there's no telling what kind of extra debt I'd accrue. If it's possible to deal with it here, I'd like to so I can at least not have to worry about that when it's time to head home. I don't want to do a "midnight run." I believe in seeing things through.

Surely there's SOMEONE in Korea that can help, right? I don't wanna believe that there's not a single doctor capable of fixing me here.

What kind of disease is it? Is it actually curable or is it chronic? I was unlucky enough to be diagnosed with a chronic disease recently, and now I find myself on medication probably for the rest of my life as there is no cure. Luckily though, at least so far, the meds have kicked the symptoms butts... which is nice after feeling miserable for two years trying to figure out what was wrong in the first place.

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« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2018, 10:55:19 AM »
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this time telling them exactly what my previous ailment was

I assume you're researching your condition on the net and self-diagnosing  and self-treating to some extent. Can bring good results .. but also the opposite. There's a variety of opinions out there and you can easily do the wrong thing at the same time.

This is from after I went to that "specialist" at the major hospital. I did at one point do an internet search, but I never told anyone something that another doctor didn't.

Props to OP for that. Too many people these days walk in with a bunch of crap they printed off the internet and 8 seasons of 'House' and proceed to tell their doctors what's wrong with them. You did things the right way- Gather information, but don't say anything a doctor hasn't.

Good luck sir.

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« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2019, 04:16:57 PM »
After two trips to Samsung Medical in Seoul, I'm officially cured. I've learned my lesson:

Never get sick in Korea.

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« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2019, 06:04:55 PM »
This is global healthcare, not just Korea.  So much of the medical profession is frontier knowledge and stuff outside the scope of their understanding.  It's trial and error.  I've had symptoms from since I was 17 years old that after blood tests and all sorts of other uncomfortable tests they just settle on some broad diagnosis that's incurable and move on.

I completely disagree with others and think you should be 100% proactive with your health care.  I don't like doctors over 40 because they don't listen.  They think they know everything, whereas a younger doctor is willing to investigate and find an answer rather than relying on his experience. 

I just disagree with so many opinions here.  Doctors are nothing more than people who had a lot of schooling on something that people have barely cracked the surface on learning.  Be the driver of the care you are getting, not the passenger.