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Re: Crazy leftist things Jae-in administration has instituted thread
« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2018, 07:13:45 AM »
The thing I hate most about korea is sidewalk kimchi. Drinking laws need a good revision in korea. Public drinking areas are ok but getting wasted in a park at 8:30 am on a Sunday isn't cool.

Also getting wasted and falling down a mountain hiking path isn't good either.

What's a public drinking area? You mean a bar or a 7-11? You want to ban all drinking outside like in the UK?

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« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2018, 07:15:11 AM »
Yeah, like everyone wants to live in a right wing American utopia.  The American
dream is dead.  Has been for a long time.  Quite obviously a nation in serious
decline.

Happiest countries in the world are socialist.
  Where people treat their neighbors
with compassion.  NOT, a country run like a business where the bottom line
Trumps all other considerations.

This is possibly the dumbest comment ever.
The ‘socialist’ countries of 6 million people in Europe, that you think are socialist, in fact are not.
Also, they benefit from the us market;  innovation in tech,and pharmaceuticals, us defense etc..

The us in fact is the most generous nation in the world.  Look at the amount of money people donate.  .  Our government pays millions of dollars to other poor countries all over the world. 
Mexico is the richest country in the Western Hemisphere after the us and Canada.  How are they not treated well by the us.  If anything Mexico is hostile to the us. 

Oh and if the American dream is dead then it’s because people who work today earn less than their parents.  This is because of trade deals and massive immigration undercutting wages.

Oh dear...

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Re: Crazy leftist things Jae-in administration has instituted thread
« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2018, 07:47:07 AM »
Yeah, like everyone wants to live in a right wing American utopia.  The American
dream is dead.  Has been for a long time.  Quite obviously a nation in serious
decline.

Happiest countries in the world are socialist.  Where people treat their neighbors
with compassion.  NOT, a country run like a business where the bottom line
Trumps all other considerations.

The happiest countries in the world are rich Scandinavian countries and Switzerland lol. Common thread being they're rich. Saying they're socialist is just not factual. There's a difference between the state controlling the means of production (Venezuela, North Korea) and high investment in welfare. Even China is not really socialist. The capitalist free market is primary, states fail without it and prosper with it.

If the argument is the U.S should be more like Scandinavia, keep in mind these are 5 million people per country with high social cohesion and smaller land area, hence they are smaller governments and can operate welfare more efficiently. The U.S also defends the EU militarily. Maybe they should pay up? That allows more capital to be focused on schools and healthcare for them.

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Re: Crazy leftist things Jae-in administration has instituted thread
« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2018, 07:52:41 AM »
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these are 5 million people per country with high social cohesion

Not any more.

https://nordic.businessinsider.com/swedens-foreign-born-population-is-nearly-17-million-people---finns-are-the-biggest-group-2017-3

 Sweden will have to hope the new comers are mostly like Michelle Kadir
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« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2018, 08:05:22 AM »
You forgot forbidding people to work overtime, conveniently.  :laugh:
It’s government overreach.
     It was implied in my 3rd point, but I agree that it does deserve a more explicit mention, yes. Thanks for pointing it out!  :smiley:
    And I disagree that it's overreach: the government is stepping in to curb a predatory business practice, which is what every good government should do.

     This rule was considered and put into place because companies were taking crazy advantage over the fact that employees were pressured to 'voluntarily' ask for ridiculous amounts of overtime. Basically, if you didn't work 80 hours a week, you were guaranteed to never get a promotion etc etc. By limiting the amount of overtime that could be given (to a maximum of 52 hours of work), the government was hoping to curb the ever increasing average work day of the office worker (which is already the third highest in the OECD), and thereby increase 'work-life balance' (and birthrates :wink: ).
   So far, the rule only applies to government positions (like ours), and to large corporations (more than 300 employees).

    Yes, I'm sure you're right that some (very few) people are unhappy that they aren't allowed to work 100 hours a week or whatever, but for the vast majority of workers, it's a protective measure that has the potential to greatly increase their quality of life.

Here's a quick summary of the relevant details in case you want to check 'em out:  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/07/02/south-koreans-forced-relax-new-overtime-rules-limiting-working/
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Re: Crazy leftist things Jae-in administration has instituted thread
« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2018, 08:48:51 AM »
The thing I hate most about korea is sidewalk kimchi. Drinking laws need a good revision in korea. Public drinking areas are ok but getting wasted in a park at 8:30 am on a Sunday isn't cool.

Also getting wasted and falling down a mountain hiking path isn't good either.
Oh pooh.

Public drinking is what makes this place nice. Think about it- all this public drinking and you don't have street crime and bums pestering people.

Now they just need to bring back smoking in bars and late-night restaurants. There's no reason a restaurant open at 1AM and catering to drunks shouldn't be allowed to offer smoking.
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« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2018, 09:09:12 AM »
The thing I hate most about korea is sidewalk kimchi. Drinking laws need a good revision in korea. Public drinking areas are ok but getting wasted in a park at 8:30 am on a Sunday isn't cool.

Also getting wasted and falling down a mountain hiking path isn't good either.
Oh pooh.

Public drinking is what makes people nice. Think about it- all this public drinking and you don't have street crime and bums pestering people.

Now they just need to bring back smoking in bars and late-night restaurants. There's no reason a restaurant open at 1AM and catering to drunks shouldn't be allowed to offer smoking.

It all depends on the culture. In the UK allowing public drinking led to gangs of youths standing around in parks or street corners drinking cider, harassing passers-by and damaging cars. I've never seen that in Korea.

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Re: Crazy leftist things Jae-in administration has instituted thread
« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2018, 09:13:50 AM »
The thing I hate most about korea is sidewalk kimchi. Drinking laws need a good revision in korea. Public drinking areas are ok but getting wasted in a park at 8:30 am on a Sunday isn't cool.

Also getting wasted and falling down a mountain hiking path isn't good either.
Oh pooh.

Public drinking is what makes people nice. Think about it- all this public drinking and you don't have street crime and bums pestering people.

Now they just need to bring back smoking in bars and late-night restaurants. There's no reason a restaurant open at 1AM and catering to drunks shouldn't be allowed to offer smoking.

It all depends on the culture. In the UK allowing public drinking led to gangs of youths standing around in parks or street corners drinking cider, harassing passers-by and damaging cars. I've never seen that in Korea.

Woops, I mistyped. I meant to see "Public drinking is what makes this place nice."

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« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2018, 09:18:57 AM »
I think Koreans handle their piss pretty well. Give me puddles of puke over random drunks swinging at me for no reason.
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Re: Crazy leftist things Jae-in administration has instituted thread
« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2018, 09:19:36 AM »
The thing I hate most about korea is sidewalk kimchi. Drinking laws need a good revision in korea. Public drinking areas are ok but getting wasted in a park at 8:30 am on a Sunday isn't cool.

Also getting wasted and falling down a mountain hiking path isn't good either.
Oh pooh.

Public drinking is what makes people nice. Think about it- all this public drinking and you don't have street crime and bums pestering people.

Now they just need to bring back smoking in bars and late-night restaurants. There's no reason a restaurant open at 1AM and catering to drunks shouldn't be allowed to offer smoking.

It all depends on the culture. In the UK allowing public drinking led to gangs of youths standing around in parks or street corners drinking cider, harassing passers-by and damaging cars. I've never seen that in Korea.

Woops, I mistyped. I meant to see "Public drinking is what makes this place nice."

I don't agree. To me personally Korea would be a nicer place without public drinking, but  I think other people's freedom is more important than my opinion, so I'm not in favour of banning it.

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« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2018, 09:33:15 AM »
I don't agree. To me personally Korea would be a nicer place without public drinking, but  I think other people's freedom is more important than my opinion, so I'm not in favour of banning it.
Wow. There's a concept.

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« Reply #31 on: November 20, 2018, 09:44:27 AM »
Yeah, like everyone wants to live in a right wing American utopia.  The American
dream is dead.  Has been for a long time.  Quite obviously a nation in serious
decline.

Happiest countries in the world are socialist.  Where people treat their neighbors
with compassion.  NOT, a country run like a business where the bottom line
Trumps all other considerations.

The happiest countries in the world are rich Scandinavian countries and Switzerland lol. Common thread being they're rich. Saying they're socialist is just not factual. There's a difference between the state controlling the means of production (Venezuela, North Korea) and high investment in welfare. Even China is not really socialist. The capitalist free market is primary, states fail without it and prosper with it.

If the argument is the U.S should be more like Scandinavia, keep in mind these are 5 million people per country with high social cohesion and smaller land area, hence they are smaller governments and can operate welfare more efficiently. The U.S also defends the EU militarily. Maybe they should pay up? That allows more capital to be focused on schools and healthcare for them.

Capitalism does best in authoritarian governments because they outlaw unions, deregulation of relevant laws, and often benefit the elite most.

Capitalism doesn’t equate to democracy.

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Re: Crazy leftist things Jae-in administration has instituted thread
« Reply #32 on: November 20, 2018, 11:17:44 AM »
The thing I hate most about korea is sidewalk kimchi. Drinking laws need a good revision in korea. Public drinking areas are ok but getting wasted in a park at 8:30 am on a Sunday isn't cool.

Also getting wasted and falling down a mountain hiking path isn't good either.
Oh pooh.

Public drinking is what makes people nice. Think about it- all this public drinking and you don't have street crime and bums pestering people.

Now they just need to bring back smoking in bars and late-night restaurants. There's no reason a restaurant open at 1AM and catering to drunks shouldn't be allowed to offer smoking.

It all depends on the culture. In the UK allowing public drinking led to gangs of youths standing around in parks or street corners drinking cider, harassing passers-by and damaging cars. I've never seen that in Korea.

Agreed! Public drinking in the UK, and drinking culture in general is altogether different.

I've never felt unsafe around drunk groups of guys in Korea, but as a guy in the UK the laddish/loutish behavior is really prevalent when people have had a drink. Also, everyone drinks in public in the UK anyway - the ban in public places or transport is hardly enforced.

It's honestly not the drinking in public that's a problem anywhere, it's the behavior when people have had a drink. I'm sure there are issues with drunken behavior in Korea, but compared to where I'm from in the UK - it's absolutely day and night.

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« Reply #33 on: November 20, 2018, 11:20:13 AM »

The happiest countries in the world are rich Scandinavian countries and Switzerland lol. Common thread being they're rich. Saying they're socialist is just not factual. There's a difference between the state controlling the means of production (Venezuela, North Korea) and high investment in welfare. Even China is not really socialist. The capitalist free market is primary, states fail without it and prosper with it.

If the argument is the U.S should be more like Scandinavia, keep in mind these are 5 million people per country with high social cohesion and smaller land area, hence they are smaller governments and can operate welfare more efficiently. The U.S also defends the EU militarily. Maybe they should pay up? That allows more capital to be focused on schools and healthcare for them.

Capitalism does best in authoritarian governments because they outlaw unions, deregulation of relevant laws, and often benefit the elite most.

Capitalism doesn’t equate to democracy.

Sorry, that's just not accurate. Unions are absolutely legal in capitalist countries. Illegal practices like intimidation and blackmailing people are illegal though. These laws also protect workers from mob violence.

We can agree Crony capitalism and democracy are incompatible, but at the fundamental level, they share the same liberty for individuals to elect representatives, own homes, be responsible for their life, associate with who they wish etc. In socialist countries like North Korea, people don't elect representatives. People don't own property, the government decides what they can't say, who they associate with, what information is allowed to them. It epitomizes the centralization of power. Authoritarian leaders come out of socialist countries without exception. Stalin and Hitler, both socialists.

And also, capitalism benefits the rich and poor. With the introduction of capital ownership in the developing world, over 2 billion people have moved out of extreme poverty in the last 25 years. The South v. North Korea dichotomy really speaks for itself.
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« Reply #34 on: November 20, 2018, 12:01:15 PM »

The happiest countries in the world are rich Scandinavian countries and Switzerland lol. Common thread being they're rich. Saying they're socialist is just not factual. There's a difference between the state controlling the means of production (Venezuela, North Korea) and high investment in welfare. Even China is not really socialist. The capitalist free market is primary, states fail without it and prosper with it.

If the argument is the U.S should be more like Scandinavia, keep in mind these are 5 million people per country with high social cohesion and smaller land area, hence they are smaller governments and can operate welfare more efficiently. The U.S also defends the EU militarily. Maybe they should pay up? That allows more capital to be focused on schools and healthcare for them.

Capitalism does best in authoritarian governments because they outlaw unions, deregulation of relevant laws, and often benefit the elite most.

Capitalism doesn’t equate to democracy.

Sorry, that's just not accurate. Unions are absolutely legal in capitalist countries. Illegal practices like intimidation and blackmailing people are illegal though. These laws also protect workers from mob violence.

We can agree Crony capitalism and democracy are incompatible, but at the fundamental level, they share the same liberty for individuals to elect representatives, own homes, be responsible for their life, associate with who they wish etc. In socialist countries like North Korea, people don't elect representatives. People don't own property, the government decides what they can't say, who they associate with, what information is allowed to them. It epitomizes the centralization of power. Authoritarian leaders come out of socialist countries without exception. Stalin and Hitler, both socialists.

And also, capitalism benefits the rich and poor. With the introduction of capital ownership in the developing world, over 2 billion people have moved out of extreme poverty in the last 25 years. The South v. North Korea dichotomy really speaks for itself.

Interesting I googled “where are unions outlawed” first 5-10 results wre all in America. Mostly regarding right to work and teachers unions in particular.

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« Reply #35 on: November 20, 2018, 12:44:46 PM »
Interesting I googled “where are unions outlawed” first 5-10 results wre all in America. Mostly regarding right to work and teachers unions in particular.

You used an American-centric website, searched in ENGLISH while signed into your account as a Westerner.........

Shocking. It's the same reason I don't naver search poutine recipes. 
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« Reply #36 on: November 20, 2018, 12:47:59 PM »
Interesting I googled “where are unions outlawed” first 5-10 results wre all in America. Mostly regarding right to work and teachers unions in particular.

You used an American-centric website, searched in ENGLISH while signed into your account as a Westerner.........

Shocking. It's the same reason I don't naver search poutine recipes.

A lot of people in democratic countries are in favour of banning teachers' unions just as they are with the police, doctors, ambulance drivers etc... It doesn't make it an authoritarian country.

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« Reply #37 on: November 20, 2018, 01:39:29 PM »

The happiest countries in the world are rich Scandinavian countries and Switzerland lol. Common thread being they're rich. Saying they're socialist is just not factual. There's a difference between the state controlling the means of production (Venezuela, North Korea) and high investment in welfare. Even China is not really socialist. The capitalist free market is primary, states fail without it and prosper with it.

If the argument is the U.S should be more like Scandinavia, keep in mind these are 5 million people per country with high social cohesion and smaller land area, hence they are smaller governments and can operate welfare more efficiently. The U.S also defends the EU militarily. Maybe they should pay up? That allows more capital to be focused on schools and healthcare for them.

Capitalism does best in authoritarian governments because they outlaw unions, deregulation of relevant laws, and often benefit the elite most.

Capitalism doesn’t equate to democracy.

Sorry, that's just not accurate. Unions are absolutely legal in capitalist countries. Illegal practices like intimidation and blackmailing people are illegal though. These laws also protect workers from mob violence.

We can agree Crony capitalism and democracy are incompatible, but at the fundamental level, they share the same liberty for individuals to elect representatives, own homes, be responsible for their life, associate with who they wish etc. In socialist countries like North Korea, people don't elect representatives. People don't own property, the government decides what they can't say, who they associate with, what information is allowed to them. It epitomizes the centralization of power. Authoritarian leaders come out of socialist countries without exception. Stalin and Hitler, both socialists.

And also, capitalism benefits the rich and poor. With the introduction of capital ownership in the developing world, over 2 billion people have moved out of extreme poverty in the last 25 years. The South v. North Korea dichotomy really speaks for itself.

Interesting I googled “where are unions outlawed” first 5-10 results wre all in America. Mostly regarding right to work and teachers unions in particular.

Can you send what you're seeing? If it's any consolidation, I'm against bureaucracy that bans unions. My understanding was a lot of unions fail on their own. What I'm seeing that's relevant today is the Janus decision, maybe that's what you're referring to.

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In Janus v. AFSCME, a 5-4 court majority overturned precedent, saying that public sector unions, like those that represent law enforcement, state employees, and, of course, teachers, can no longer collect what are known as agency fees from nonmembers.

People shouldn't be forced to join and pay union dues if they don't want to. It shouldn't cost them their job and they shouldn't be intimidated socially by the union to do so.