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Re: US Politics Megathread
« Reply #180 on: February 01, 2019, 02:25:02 AM »
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Letís face it: Walls work. They have worked in numerous places in the world and throughout history. But politicians like Pelosi and Schumer are more interested in pandering to the extremists in their base than in doing what is best for America. They also realize more illegals crossing the border and making babies results in more people voting Democrat.

Let's face it dude. You're an extremest and when Trump talks about walls he's pandering to your minority group. The fact is most of the congressional Republicans didn't really want it either. If they wanted funding for that wall it would of been achieved in the two years that republicans controlled congress. The dispute over funding for the wall is much more useful for rallying dupes like yourself. It's a shame your blinded by your emotive response for the wall and its validation of your underlying bigotry. 
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« Reply #181 on: February 01, 2019, 07:24:55 AM »
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Letís face it: Walls work. They have worked in numerous places in the world and throughout history. But politicians like Pelosi and Schumer are more interested in pandering to the extremists in their base than in doing what is best for America. They also realize more illegals crossing the border and making babies results in more people voting Democrat.

Let's face it dude. You're an extremest and when Trump talks about walls he's pandering to your minority group. The fact is most of the congressional Republicans didn't really want it either. If they wanted funding for that wall it would of been achieved in the two years that republicans controlled congress. The dispute over funding for the wall is much more useful for rallying dupes like yourself. It's a shame your blinded by you're emotive response for the wall and its validation of your underlying bigotry.
I don't understand why this point is hardly ever mentioned in the"debate".

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« Reply #182 on: February 01, 2019, 03:00:39 PM »
There's two different wings in the Republican Party. They are NOT a unified block and to a certain degree, the establishment Republicans are a defacto opposition party.

When people say "But so and so is a Republican" or "Even Republicans..." They're discounting that fact and treating them all the same.

In reality our country is a single-party state thats trying to deal with a populist headache executive. It is The War Party. It's Democratic and Republican. Whether it's Clinton or Bush or McCain, they want their person in charge. Obama went along but did slow them down at times. Trump...who knows, but he's clearly not part of them.

If you rwally think Democrats and Republicans are on different sides, you're a naive idiot.

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« Reply #183 on: February 01, 2019, 03:15:31 PM »

If you rwally think Democrats and Republicans are on different sides, you're a naive idiot.

iF YoU tHiNk ThAt sUMs uP aMeRicAn pOliTicS, yOu'Re a NaiVe iDiot.

Democrats and Republicans have tons of legitimate disagreements about a wide range of things. Just because recent American presidents have tended to be hawkish doesn't mean they're on the same side across the board. At worst, they're serving vaguely different private interests. At best, they're serving public interests in different ways.

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« Reply #184 on: February 01, 2019, 10:27:44 PM »
There's two different wings in the Republican Party. They are NOT a unified block and to a certain degree, the establishment Republicans are a defacto opposition party.

When people say "But so and so is a Republican" or "Even Republicans..." They're discounting that fact and treating them all the same.

In reality our country is a single-party state thats trying to deal with a populist headache executive. It is The War Party. It's Democratic and Republican. Whether it's Clinton or Bush or McCain, they want their person in charge. Obama went along but did slow them down at times. Trump...who knows, but he's clearly not part of them.

If you rwally think Democrats and Republicans are on different sides, you're a naive idiot.
It's trump that's trying to gin up a war with Iran and/or Venezuela. He may think he needs a war to prove he's a "great" president.

Repugs have moved far to the right thanks to the Tea Party and Fox and Coulter et al. Much farther than supporters like the Kochs are willing to go. Their anti-tax, anti-government, anti-immigration pro-business agenda is hurting the US.

That so many Americans have such little savings and are living paycheck to paycheck, as demonstrated by the plight of federal workers missing just one paycheck, illustrates the need for a progressive agenda.

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« Reply #185 on: February 02, 2019, 07:19:53 AM »
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Letís face it: Walls work. They have worked in numerous places in the world and throughout history. But politicians like Pelosi and Schumer are more interested in pandering to the extremists in their base than in doing what is best for America. They also realize more illegals crossing the border and making babies results in more people voting Democrat.

Let's face it dude. You're an extremest and when Trump talks about walls he's pandering to your minority group. The fact is most of the congressional Republicans didn't really want it either. If they wanted funding for that wall it would of been achieved in the two years that republicans controlled congress. The dispute over funding for the wall is much more useful for rallying dupes like yourself. It's a shame your blinded by you're emotive response for the wall and its validation of your underlying bigotry.
I don't understand why this point is hardly ever mentioned in the"debate".
It wasn't Trump's fault.

"President Trump lashed out against former House Speaker Paul Ryan in an interview published on Wednesday, saying he broke his word to fund the U.S.-Mexico border wall while Republicans controlled both the House and Senate if Trump signed the unpopular 2018 omnibus bill."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-accuses-lame-duck-paul-ryan-of-breaking-promise-to-fund-border-wall-when-gop-held-congress

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Re: US Politics Megathread
« Reply #186 on: February 02, 2019, 12:46:37 PM »
Ahhhh...so THIS is where the political scholars from Dave's ESL Cafe made camp. 

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« Reply #187 on: February 02, 2019, 01:56:35 PM »
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Letís face it: Walls work. They have worked in numerous places in the world and throughout history. But politicians like Pelosi and Schumer are more interested in pandering to the extremists in their base than in doing what is best for America. They also realize more illegals crossing the border and making babies results in more people voting Democrat.

Let's face it dude. You're an extremest and when Trump talks about walls he's pandering to your minority group. The fact is most of the congressional Republicans didn't really want it either. If they wanted funding for that wall it would of been achieved in the two years that republicans controlled congress. The dispute over funding for the wall is much more useful for rallying dupes like yourself. It's a shame your blinded by you're emotive response for the wall and its validation of your underlying bigotry.
I don't understand why this point is hardly ever mentioned in the"debate".
It wasn't Trump's fault.


Of course not dude.  The great deal maker couldn't even make a deal with the party that nominated him and put him in office.  He is incapable of delivering on one of his most central campaign promises but of course the buck never stops with Trump.
I blame his parents. They were probably in cahoots with the deep state when they raised him to be a loser.  :laugh:

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Re: US Politics Megathread
« Reply #188 on: February 02, 2019, 10:18:04 PM »
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Letís face it: Walls work. They have worked in numerous places in the world and throughout history. But politicians like Pelosi and Schumer are more interested in pandering to the extremists in their base than in doing what is best for America. They also realize more illegals crossing the border and making babies results in more people voting Democrat.

Let's face it dude. You're an extremest and when Trump talks about walls he's pandering to your minority group. The fact is most of the congressional Republicans didn't really want it either. If they wanted funding for that wall it would of been achieved in the two years that republicans controlled congress. The dispute over funding for the wall is much more useful for rallying dupes like yourself. It's a shame your blinded by you're emotive response for the wall and its validation of your underlying bigotry.
I don't understand why this point is hardly ever mentioned in the"debate".
It wasn't Trump's fault.

"President Trump lashed out against former House Speaker Paul Ryan in an interview published on Wednesday, saying he broke his word to fund the U.S.-Mexico border wall while Republicans controlled both the House and Senate if Trump signed the unpopular 2018 omnibus bill."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-accuses-lame-duck-paul-ryan-of-breaking-promise-to-fund-border-wall-when-gop-held-congress
Maybe, but odds are trump's lying.

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« Reply #189 on: February 03, 2019, 06:16:09 PM »
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Letís face it: Walls work. They have worked in numerous places in the world and throughout history. But politicians like Pelosi and Schumer are more interested in pandering to the extremists in their base than in doing what is best for America. They also realize more illegals crossing the border and making babies results in more people voting Democrat.

Let's face it dude. You're an extremest and when Trump talks about walls he's pandering to your minority group. The fact is most of the congressional Republicans didn't really want it either. If they wanted funding for that wall it would of been achieved in the two years that republicans controlled congress. The dispute over funding for the wall is much more useful for rallying dupes like yourself. It's a shame your blinded by you're emotive response for the wall and its validation of your underlying bigotry.
I don't understand why this point is hardly ever mentioned in the"debate".
It wasn't Trump's fault.

"President Trump lashed out against former House Speaker Paul Ryan in an interview published on Wednesday, saying he broke his word to fund the U.S.-Mexico border wall while Republicans controlled both the House and Senate if Trump signed the unpopular 2018 omnibus bill."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-accuses-lame-duck-paul-ryan-of-breaking-promise-to-fund-border-wall-when-gop-held-congress

If you can't get your own party to fund the meme wall then how do you expect the opposition to fund it, especially when you people have been shitting on liberals for the last 50 years?
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« Reply #190 on: February 04, 2019, 12:04:54 AM »
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Letís face it: Walls work. They have worked in numerous places in the world and throughout history. But politicians like Pelosi and Schumer are more interested in pandering to the extremists in their base than in doing what is best for America. They also realize more illegals crossing the border and making babies results in more people voting Democrat.

Let's face it dude. You're an extremest and when Trump talks about walls he's pandering to your minority group. The fact is most of the congressional Republicans didn't really want it either. If they wanted funding for that wall it would of been achieved in the two years that republicans controlled congress. The dispute over funding for the wall is much more useful for rallying dupes like yourself. It's a shame your blinded by you're emotive response for the wall and its validation of your underlying bigotry.
I don't understand why this point is hardly ever mentioned in the"debate".
It wasn't Trump's fault.

"President Trump lashed out against former House Speaker Paul Ryan in an interview published on Wednesday, saying he broke his word to fund the U.S.-Mexico border wall while Republicans controlled both the House and Senate if Trump signed the unpopular 2018 omnibus bill."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-accuses-lame-duck-paul-ryan-of-breaking-promise-to-fund-border-wall-when-gop-held-congress
Okay. 

So, in what way does that mean that although the Republican Party is totally unwilling to fund the "Wall" but yet the Democrats are to blame for the unwillingness to fund the "Wall"?

Why did the US have a 35 day government shutdown starting at the moment Dems take over the House when Republicans controlled the House, Senate and the White House yet were unable to do the same task FOR TWO YEARS?

Y'know, I get that that you think that Donald Trump is amazing and all, but he can't even get HIS OWN PARTY to stand up for his supposed #1 campaign promise of a 30 foot concrete wall across 1950 miles that Mexico would pay for (after all, that was the campaign promise, right? Right?)

Why not?  Seems pretty straightforward, doesn't it?  30 feet high.  Concrete.  Spanning the entire 1,950 miles of US border with Mexico.  A campaign promise made about 100 times. 100 TIMES! And I get that you think that walls work--even though literally everyone that knows anything about border security thinks there are much better, more modern, more tech-savvy ways of protecting the border Ö I get you that you don't get it.

I think what I'm asking is why you want to blame the Dems in Congress, or even the Republicans there, when it is pretty clear that it's not Republicans or Democrats.  It's the President.  He blames everyone else. 

He supposedly has a great, fantastic, unequalled ability to make deals with people.  Curiously, Democrats and Republicans are all willing to move forward on border security (OBVIOUSLY, neither side wants a "wall") but this great negotiator in the White House can't get movement on his deal. 

Doesn't this suggest to you that he sucks at making deals?

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« Reply #191 on: February 15, 2019, 11:33:59 AM »


Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell says he's going to support Trump's decision to declare a national emergency so that the wall can be funded. One way or another the wall really needs to get built.

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« Reply #192 on: February 15, 2019, 11:57:47 AM »
When you value diversity for diversity's sake you end up with someone like AOC (a former bartender with delusional political views) in office. When you value life experience that really matters you end up with someone like DJT in office.


"Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's lack of life experience is evident in her proposed policies. She has recently come out in favor of a Medicare for all, free college tuition, and a universal guaranteed income. She also wants open borders.....

"She's actually not unlike Trump in her brashness, outspokenness, willingness to pick fights, and complete confidence in her own righteousness.

"The difference is that before he came to office, Trump dealt with movers and shakers in real estate, television, the garment industry, airlines, banking, and sports. He's negotiated with labor unions, foreign governments, politicians, and probably even the Mafia (he was in the New York real estate business). So he has a pretty good sense of how to deal with politicians."
http://justnotsaid.blogspot.com/2019/01/what-job-experience-qualifies-one-for.html


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« Reply #193 on: February 15, 2019, 12:02:27 PM »


Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell says he's going to support Trump's decision to declare a national emergency so that the wall can be funded. One way or another the wall really needs to get built.

Cool that's one vote you might count on but what about the rest of the GOP, let alone Conservative judges once lawsuits are lodged?
Your naivety is cute though. :laugh:
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/14/gop-national-emergency-declaration-trump-1170697

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/an-emergenc


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« Reply #194 on: February 15, 2019, 01:14:20 PM »
Such a "National Emergency" that Trump is away playing Golf again.

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« Reply #195 on: February 15, 2019, 01:25:48 PM »
I'm starting to think Mitch was just playing for time to avoid another shutdown. There is always a chance Trump could change his mind.

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« Reply #196 on: February 15, 2019, 02:16:12 PM »

"... So he has a pretty good sense of how to deal with politicians."


Guess that explains why he got such a great deal on the wall, huh?

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« Reply #197 on: February 15, 2019, 02:37:52 PM »

iF YoU tHiNk ThAt sUMs uP aMeRicAn pOliTicS, yOu'Re a NaiVe iDiot.

Democrats and Republicans have tons of legitimate disagreements about a wide range of things. Just because recent American presidents have tended to be hawkish doesn't mean they're on the same side across the board. At worst, they're serving vaguely different private interests. At best, they're serving public interests in different ways.
Well, given how much corporations and defense contractors donate to both parties and the tentacles they have with each, it stands to reason that a block of politicians would develop over time that has similar interests across party.

Why do corporations donate to parties and politicians? It's because they want control and influence over that so they can consider their interests, not because one wants to save the polar bear or something. Fundamentally, the people of the government tend to work to serve these interests, not the other way around. Now, sometimes this isn't as nefarious as it sounds and it's important to distinguish between interests as a response to the public, which can often coincide with corporations and mega donors and when influence for greyer reasons.

The powers that be are fine with dispute within the Overton Window, but if it goes beyond that, that is a problem for them, even if it is in the best interest of the American people. In particular, the military-industrial complex. Once created it cannot simply be undone.

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« Reply #198 on: February 17, 2019, 02:44:19 AM »

"... So he has a pretty good sense of how to deal with politicians."


Guess that explains why he got such a great deal on the wall, huh?

It's becoming clear that this doesn't really matter for Trump supporters either. The fact that Trump continues to fight for such things is enough to validate their bigotry, misogyny and xenophobia. In this sense he continues to deliver for them. CDW's latest post attests to this.   
If they were genuinely conservative they would understand and be very concerned about the precedent that his latest national emergency declaration could create for future democratic presidencies rather than living in a Hannity sound bite,


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« Reply #199 on: February 18, 2019, 12:07:53 PM »
When you value diversity for diversity's sake you end up with someone like AOC (a former bartender with delusional political views) in office. When you value life experience that really matters you end up with someone like DJT in office.


"Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's lack of life experience is evident in her proposed policies. She has recently come out in favor of a Medicare for all, free college tuition, and a universal guaranteed income. She also wants open borders.....

"She's actually not unlike Trump in her brashness, outspokenness, willingness to pick fights, and complete confidence in her own righteousness.

"The difference is that before he came to office, Trump dealt with movers and shakers in real estate, television, the garment industry, airlines, banking, and sports. He's negotiated with labor unions, foreign governments, politicians, and probably even the Mafia (he was in the New York real estate business). So he has a pretty good sense of how to deal with politicians."
http://justnotsaid.blogspot.com/2019/01/what-job-experience-qualifies-one-for.html
She's really got you scared, hasn't she?

Trump was sitting in his office doing next to nothing when reality TV came knocking and made him a star. He's an expert at bankruptcy and settling lawsuits.