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Re: US Politics Megathread
« Reply #100 on: November 27, 2018, 07:54:23 AM »
Shower thought: You know this Trump guy? He's a real jerk.
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« Reply #101 on: November 27, 2018, 08:48:15 AM »
Go dress in a vagina costume and scream at the sky and imagine that you're in the Handmaid's Tale like the other batshit crazy people who think Trump has turned America into 1933 Germany.
Someone needs to back off.
Dude relax. I used the same kind of phrasing to immediately describe Trump supporters. Maybe it would help to not view things in such black and white terms and acknowledge the crazies on your own side.

Trump supporters get called and told a lot worse. No one is going to blindside you for wearing a pink hat. They will if you wear a MAGA cap. The left really needs to calm down.
Tell that to Heather Heyer, members of the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church and those of Tree of Life synagogue.

Neither Roof nor the Tree of Life shooter were Trump supporters. Bernie Sanders is not responsible for the nut who shot Steve Scalise. Your point is nonsensical.

Nope.  Your inference was that Trump supporters are under greater threat than those "wearing a pink hat", presumably lefty-liberals/minorities.  That's the nonsense.

As usual, creating strawmen and responding to stuff no one has said.
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Re: US Politics Megathread
« Reply #102 on: November 27, 2018, 08:48:52 AM »
Feeding trump trolls is wasted effort. They're cultists who are already working on escape plans in case donny boy or his son end up behind bars.

Happy Thanksgiving!
Cultists?

Look at the debates we have. I acknowledge things like EMAILS!!!!! and BENGHAZI!!!!! and SOROS!!!! being nonsense. You're the ones that believe Russian truther conspiracies.Your response to counter arguments is to scream RACIST!!! and personal attacks. Trump Derangement Syndrome.

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« Reply #103 on: November 30, 2018, 08:30:17 PM »
Feeding trump trolls is wasted effort. They're cultists who are already working on escape plans in case donny boy or his son end up behind bars.

Happy Thanksgiving!
Cultists?

Look at the debates we have. I acknowledge things like EMAILS!!!!! and BENGHAZI!!!!! and SOROS!!!! being nonsense. You're the ones that believe Russian truther conspiracies.Your response to counter arguments is to scream RACIST!!! and personal attacks. Trump Derangement Syndrome.
LOL. You're the one screaming.

There is no debating with trolls, especially of the trumpist variety. They just echo their chief's lies.

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Re: US Politics Megathread
« Reply #104 on: December 07, 2018, 11:53:55 PM »
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Donald Trump campaigned for president on a promise to Michigan auto workers that “If I’m elected, you won’t lose one plant, you’ll have plants coming into this country, you’re going to have jobs again, you won’t lose one plant, I promise you that.”

Barely two years later, on the Monday after Thanksgiving, General Motors announced that it was closing major auto plants in Michigan, as well as Ohio and Maryland. Thousands of jobs are being cut, and the future for many of the remaining plants suddenly seems very insecure.

Trump, the candidate who claimed in 2016 that his Democratic rival “hasn’t got a clue” about how to maintain American manufacturing, is now exposed as the president who really hasn’t got a clue about keeping plants open and keeping workers on the job.

What does this say about those who supported and voted for trump and those who CONTINUE to support him as
demonstrates, time and time again, his ineptitude?

We can only hope tariff man doesn't become recession man.

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Re: US Politics Megathread
« Reply #105 on: December 07, 2018, 11:56:29 PM »
This ain't good:

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Since the 2016 presidential campaign, Donald Trump’s aides and advisers have tried to convince him of the importance of tackling the national debt.

Sources close to the president say he has repeatedly shrugged it off, implying that he doesn’t have to worry about the money owed to America’s creditors—currently about $21 trillion—because he won’t be around to shoulder the blame when it becomes even more untenable.

The friction came to a head in early 2017 when senior officials offered Trump charts and graphics laying out the numbers and showing a “hockey stick” spike in the national debt in the not-too-distant future. In response, Trump noted that the data suggested the debt would reach a critical mass only after his possible second term in office.

“Yeah, but I won’t be here,” the president bluntly said, according to a source who was in the room when Trump made this comment during discussions on the debt.

Hopefully Dems won't let trumpy bankrupt the US the way he did his casinos, airline, football league, cycling race...

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« Reply #106 on: December 08, 2018, 06:04:06 AM »
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Donald Trump campaigned for president on a promise to Michigan auto workers that “If I’m elected, you won’t lose one plant, you’ll have plants coming into this country, you’re going to have jobs again, you won’t lose one plant, I promise you that.”

Barely two years later, on the Monday after Thanksgiving, General Motors announced that it was closing major auto plants in Michigan, as well as Ohio and Maryland. Thousands of jobs are being cut, and the future for many of the remaining plants suddenly seems very insecure.

Trump, the candidate who claimed in 2016 that his Democratic rival “hasn’t got a clue” about how to maintain American manufacturing, is now exposed as the president who really hasn’t got a clue about keeping plants open and keeping workers on the job.

What does this say about those who supported and voted for trump and those who CONTINUE to support him as
demonstrates, time and time again, his ineptitude?

We can only hope tariff man doesn't become recession man.

All they care about is that he validates their racism and fascism. He could kidnap their daughters and they'd still find a way to defend it. Racism is a hell of a drug.

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« Reply #107 on: December 09, 2018, 10:01:53 AM »
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Donald Trump campaigned for president on a promise to Michigan auto workers that “If I’m elected, you won’t lose one plant, you’ll have plants coming into this country, you’re going to have jobs again, you won’t lose one plant, I promise you that.”

Barely two years later, on the Monday after Thanksgiving, General Motors announced that it was closing major auto plants in Michigan, as well as Ohio and Maryland. Thousands of jobs are being cut, and the future for many of the remaining plants suddenly seems very insecure.

Trump, the candidate who claimed in 2016 that his Democratic rival “hasn’t got a clue” about how to maintain American manufacturing, is now exposed as the president who really hasn’t got a clue about keeping plants open and keeping workers on the job.

What does this say about those who supported and voted for trump and those who CONTINUE to support him as
demonstrates, time and time again, his ineptitude?

We can only hope tariff man doesn't become recession man.

All they care about is that he validates their racism and fascism. He could kidnap their daughters and they'd still find a way to defend it. Racism is a hell of a drug.

How is Trump validating their racism? What laws has he made? There's the wall and that's it. And no, it's not racism. That's in your head. Stop regurgitating what the media spoon feeds you. Fascism? Dude, people are free to criticize Trump as much as they please and its the en vogue thing to do.

Geez dude, you'd think after the go around over Australia you'd recognize that the whole 'muh racism' thing is overblown.

Yes, Trump made grandiose promises that he didn't follow through on. I'm shocked a politician did that. That never happens with politicians.  :rolleyes:
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« Reply #108 on: December 09, 2018, 03:12:55 PM »
Being neutral and colorblind is the modern version of racism. If you're not constantly pandering to minorities then you're a racist.

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« Reply #109 on: December 09, 2018, 04:53:31 PM »
Being neutral and colorblind is the modern version of racism. If you're not constantly pandering to minorities then you're a racist.

But that's the whole Trump strategy. Pandering to that shrinking minority. It's  sad that you don't realise that you're being played. Trump's best case scenario is avoiding serious legal liability, surviving  and making use of his business contacts for life  post presidency. But I know his emotional appeal makes you feel good.😍
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« Reply #110 on: December 10, 2018, 01:32:00 AM »
Being neutral and colorblind is the modern version of racism. If you're not constantly pandering to minorities then you're a racist.
That's the white nationalist definition anyway.

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« Reply #111 on: December 10, 2018, 01:36:20 AM »
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Donald Trump campaigned for president on a promise to Michigan auto workers that “If I’m elected, you won’t lose one plant, you’ll have plants coming into this country, you’re going to have jobs again, you won’t lose one plant, I promise you that.”

Barely two years later, on the Monday after Thanksgiving, General Motors announced that it was closing major auto plants in Michigan, as well as Ohio and Maryland. Thousands of jobs are being cut, and the future for many of the remaining plants suddenly seems very insecure.

Trump, the candidate who claimed in 2016 that his Democratic rival “hasn’t got a clue” about how to maintain American manufacturing, is now exposed as the president who really hasn’t got a clue about keeping plants open and keeping workers on the job.

What does this say about those who supported and voted for trump and those who CONTINUE to support him as
demonstrates, time and time again, his ineptitude?

We can only hope tariff man doesn't become recession man.

All they care about is that he validates their racism and fascism. He could kidnap their daughters and they'd still find a way to defend it. Racism is a hell of a drug.

How is Trump validating their racism? What laws has he made? There's the wall and that's it. And no, it's not racism. That's in your head. Stop regurgitating what the media spoon feeds you. Fascism? Dude, people are free to criticize Trump as much as they please and its the en vogue thing to do.

Geez dude, you'd think after the go around over Australia you'd recognize that the whole 'muh racism' thing is overblown.

Yes, Trump made grandiose promises that he didn't follow through on. I'm shocked a politician did that. That never happens with politicians.  :rolleyes:

Really , a guy that declares he's a nationalist and that;s a good thing is not validating racism? A president who has been shown time and time again to be a racist is not validating racism?

Racism is the US is not overblown. Look at the treatment of blacks by police, the voter suppression efforts to keep blacks from having a voice in the US, and the daily discrimination people of color face.

Why have you made Korea your home instead of the US?

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« Reply #112 on: December 13, 2018, 03:08:56 PM »
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The white Columbia University student seen in a viral video this week shouting at fellow students about how white people are “the best thing that ever happened to the world” wants to set the record straight.

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“I am not a white supremacist or racist, nor do I subscribe to any views that support that ideology. I unequivocally denounce all groups that support racism,” he explained. “My reaction that evening grew out of my distaste for the overuse of the term ‘white privilege’ and similar divisive rhetoric as a means of dismissing views of others.”

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According to the sophomore, “I explained that I am a Trump supporter and I do not in any way encourage violence, sexual or otherwise. A large group of students gathered around me and told me that I had no right to share my views on women as I’m a white male with ‘white privilege.’

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“We saved billions of people from starvation, we built modern civilization! White people are the best thing that ever happened to the world!” von Abele continued, his voice growing hoarse from all the shouting. “We are so amazing. I love myself! I love white people! **** yeah, white people. **** yeah, white men. We’re white men, we did everything."
https://www.thedailybeast.com/columbia-student-from-viral-video-speaks-i-am-not-racist

Good for him. Some people deserve to be offended.

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« Reply #113 on: December 13, 2018, 04:25:53 PM »
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Donald Trump campaigned for president on a promise to Michigan auto workers that “If I’m elected, you won’t lose one plant, you’ll have plants coming into this country, you’re going to have jobs again, you won’t lose one plant, I promise you that.”

Barely two years later, on the Monday after Thanksgiving, General Motors announced that it was closing major auto plants in Michigan, as well as Ohio and Maryland. Thousands of jobs are being cut, and the future for many of the remaining plants suddenly seems very insecure.

Trump, the candidate who claimed in 2016 that his Democratic rival “hasn’t got a clue” about how to maintain American manufacturing, is now exposed as the president who really hasn’t got a clue about keeping plants open and keeping workers on the job.

What does this say about those who supported and voted for trump and those who CONTINUE to support him as
demonstrates, time and time again, his ineptitude?

We can only hope tariff man doesn't become recession man.

All they care about is that he validates their racism and fascism. He could kidnap their daughters and they'd still find a way to defend it. Racism is a hell of a drug.

How is Trump validating their racism? What laws has he made? There's the wall and that's it. And no, it's not racism. That's in your head. Stop regurgitating what the media spoon feeds you. Fascism? Dude, people are free to criticize Trump as much as they please and its the en vogue thing to do.

Geez dude, you'd think after the go around over Australia you'd recognize that the whole 'muh racism' thing is overblown.

Yes, Trump made grandiose promises that he didn't follow through on. I'm shocked a politician did that. That never happens with politicians.  :rolleyes:

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« Reply #114 on: December 13, 2018, 08:45:03 PM »
Being neutral and colorblind is the modern version of racism. If you're not constantly pandering to minorities then you're a racist.
Wait, wait.  If you are colorblind, how do you know if someone is a minority?

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« Reply #115 on: December 14, 2018, 01:59:12 AM »
Best economy in history?!?

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Tax cuts and a slowing economy will erode America’s fiscal strength during the next decade, according to a new report from Moody’s Investor Service, the bond-rating agency. At some point, Moody’s might cut the nation’s top-tier credit rating.

The Moody’s warning challenges a core promise of President Trump and his fellow Republicans, who insisted the $1.5 trillion tax cut they passed last year would pay for itself and even generate more tax revenue, not less, because economic growth would suddenly boom. Trump predicted last year that the economy would “take off like a rocket ship” once his tax cuts went into effect. White House economists predicted family incomes would rise by $4,000 or more due to a sharp cut in business taxes.

None of that is happening or coming into view. The economy grew at a robust 4.2% in the second quarter, the highest level since 2014. But Moody’s Analytics predicts growth of just 2.9% for all of 2018, and 2019 as well. It will then fall to 0.9%, according to the forecasting firm. If so, economic growth under Trump would average just 2.2% per year, almost exactly the same as during President Obama’s second term.

From bankrupting casinos and airlines to damaging the US government's credit--what a guy. And let's not forget all the repugs who helped him do it.

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« Reply #116 on: December 14, 2018, 08:22:05 AM »
Best economy in history?!?

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Tax cuts and a slowing economy will erode America’s fiscal strength during the next decade, according to a new report from Moody’s Investor Service, the bond-rating agency. At some point, Moody’s might cut the nation’s top-tier credit rating.

The Moody’s warning challenges a core promise of President Trump and his fellow Republicans, who insisted the $1.5 trillion tax cut they passed last year would pay for itself and even generate more tax revenue, not less, because economic growth would suddenly boom. Trump predicted last year that the economy would “take off like a rocket ship” once his tax cuts went into effect. White House economists predicted family incomes would rise by $4,000 or more due to a sharp cut in business taxes.

None of that is happening or coming into view. The economy grew at a robust 4.2% in the second quarter, the highest level since 2014. But Moody’s Analytics predicts growth of just 2.9% for all of 2018, and 2019 as well. It will then fall to 0.9%, according to the forecasting firm. If so, economic growth under Trump would average just 2.2% per year, almost exactly the same as during President Obama’s second term.

From bankrupting casinos and airlines to damaging the US government's credit--what a guy. And let's not forget all the repugs who helped him do it.

The national debt is a hot potato tossed from party to party, neither are interested in actually implementing what it takes to balance it (austerity) because it would be unpopular and they'd lose power. Trump has been decent with cutting spending, but you have to also raise taxes to narrow the difference. I think it's disingenuous to blame Trump and Republicans exclusively, both parties are focused on short term popularity over the long term sustainability of the government.

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« Reply #117 on: December 14, 2018, 08:45:13 AM »
Best economy in history?!?

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Tax cuts and a slowing economy will erode America’s fiscal strength during the next decade, according to a new report from Moody’s Investor Service, the bond-rating agency. At some point, Moody’s might cut the nation’s top-tier credit rating.

The Moody’s warning challenges a core promise of President Trump and his fellow Republicans, who insisted the $1.5 trillion tax cut they passed last year would pay for itself and even generate more tax revenue, not less, because economic growth would suddenly boom. Trump predicted last year that the economy would “take off like a rocket ship” once his tax cuts went into effect. White House economists predicted family incomes would rise by $4,000 or more due to a sharp cut in business taxes.

None of that is happening or coming into view. The economy grew at a robust 4.2% in the second quarter, the highest level since 2014. But Moody’s Analytics predicts growth of just 2.9% for all of 2018, and 2019 as well. It will then fall to 0.9%, according to the forecasting firm. If so, economic growth under Trump would average just 2.2% per year, almost exactly the same as during President Obama’s second term.

From bankrupting casinos and airlines to damaging the US government's credit--what a guy. And let's not forget all the repugs who helped him do it.

The national debt is a hot potato tossed from party to party, neither are interested in actually implementing what it takes to balance it (austerity) because it would be unpopular and they'd lose power. Trump has been decent with cutting spending, but you have to also raise taxes to narrow the difference. I think it's disingenuous to blame Trump and Republicans exclusively, both parties are focused on short term popularity over the long term sustainability of the government.

Clinton (Democrat) left the Presidency with a budget surplus, to be used to pay down the debt.

GW Bush (Republican) came in and gave that money out in tax rebates (Full disclosure: I got $400).  He said, "That's your money."  Actually, it's our grandchildren's money, we're just spending it.

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« Reply #118 on: December 14, 2018, 09:05:54 AM »
Best economy in history?!?

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Tax cuts and a slowing economy will erode America’s fiscal strength during the next decade, according to a new report from Moody’s Investor Service, the bond-rating agency. At some point, Moody’s might cut the nation’s top-tier credit rating.

The Moody’s warning challenges a core promise of President Trump and his fellow Republicans, who insisted the $1.5 trillion tax cut they passed last year would pay for itself and even generate more tax revenue, not less, because economic growth would suddenly boom. Trump predicted last year that the economy would “take off like a rocket ship” once his tax cuts went into effect. White House economists predicted family incomes would rise by $4,000 or more due to a sharp cut in business taxes.

None of that is happening or coming into view. The economy grew at a robust 4.2% in the second quarter, the highest level since 2014. But Moody’s Analytics predicts growth of just 2.9% for all of 2018, and 2019 as well. It will then fall to 0.9%, according to the forecasting firm. If so, economic growth under Trump would average just 2.2% per year, almost exactly the same as during President Obama’s second term.

From bankrupting casinos and airlines to damaging the US government's credit--what a guy. And let's not forget all the repugs who helped him do it.

The national debt is a hot potato tossed from party to party, neither are interested in actually implementing what it takes to balance it (austerity) because it would be unpopular and they'd lose power. Trump has been decent with cutting spending, but you have to also raise taxes to narrow the difference. I think it's disingenuous to blame Trump and Republicans exclusively, both parties are focused on short term popularity over the long term sustainability of the government.

Clinton (Democrat) left the Presidency with a budget surplus, to be used to pay down the debt.

GW Bush (Republican) came in and gave that money out in tax rebates (Full disclosure: I got $400).  He said, "That's your money."  Actually, it's our grandchildren's money, we're just spending it.

He did enact austerity measures (raising taxes, and cutting spending) but he also benefited from Bush 1 policies that helped the economy. And he deregulated the banking industry for his buddies, so on the same token you could say he was a big reason for the 2008 housing crisis.

It's not black and white, but yah, I'd say Clinton was a moderate democrat and a pretty good president. The Democratic party has swayed so far to the left these days, I wouldn't be shocked if he aligned as a Republican if he ran today.
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« Reply #119 on: December 14, 2018, 09:55:35 AM »
Best economy in history?!?

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Tax cuts and a slowing economy will erode America’s fiscal strength during the next decade, according to a new report from Moody’s Investor Service, the bond-rating agency. At some point, Moody’s might cut the nation’s top-tier credit rating.

The Moody’s warning challenges a core promise of President Trump and his fellow Republicans, who insisted the $1.5 trillion tax cut they passed last year would pay for itself and even generate more tax revenue, not less, because economic growth would suddenly boom. Trump predicted last year that the economy would “take off like a rocket ship” once his tax cuts went into effect. White House economists predicted family incomes would rise by $4,000 or more due to a sharp cut in business taxes.

None of that is happening or coming into view. The economy grew at a robust 4.2% in the second quarter, the highest level since 2014. But Moody’s Analytics predicts growth of just 2.9% for all of 2018, and 2019 as well. It will then fall to 0.9%, according to the forecasting firm. If so, economic growth under Trump would average just 2.2% per year, almost exactly the same as during President Obama’s second term.

From bankrupting casinos and airlines to damaging the US government's credit--what a guy. And let's not forget all the repugs who helped him do it.

The national debt is a hot potato tossed from party to party, neither are interested in actually implementing what it takes to balance it (austerity) because it would be unpopular and they'd lose power. Trump has been decent with cutting spending, but you have to also raise taxes to narrow the difference. I think it's disingenuous to blame Trump and Republicans exclusively, both parties are focused on short term popularity over the long term sustainability of the government.

Clinton (Democrat) left the Presidency with a budget surplus, to be used to pay down the debt.

GW Bush (Republican) came in and gave that money out in tax rebates (Full disclosure: I got $400).  He said, "That's your money."  Actually, it's our grandchildren's money, we're just spending it.

He did enact austerity measures (raising taxes, and cutting spending) but he also benefited from Bush 1 policies that helped the economy. And he deregulated the banking industry for his buddies, so on the same token you could say he was a big reason for the 2008 housing crisis.

It's not black and white, but yah, I'd say Clinton was a moderate democrat and a pretty good president. The Democratic party has swayed so far to the left these days, I wouldn't be shocked if he aligned as a Republican if he ran today.

Plus Clinton had the benefit of being President during what amounted to the Industrial Revolution with the rise of the internet and mobile. You could have some pro athlete who burns through 10s of millions in charge of the economy and it still would have gone gangbusters and brought a budget surplus.