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Author Topic: Ford-Kavanaugh Hearing  (Read 8300 times)

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Re: Ford-Kavanaugh Hearing
« Reply #60 on: September 30, 2018, 12:21:34 PM »
Not one of his "definitions" for his quotes were added to Urban Dictionary until September 27th.  Most of them in ridicule to what he said. 
I agree. That's why I pointed out that a private usage amongst friends can differ from the defined slang term.

How do you think slang starts? Do you think it starts with someone going to urbandictionary.com or Merriam-Webster and adding a definition and then starting to use it amongst their friends?

At some point salty, whack, boots, ratchet, ass, ghetto, goat, lit, woke, etc. all meant their dictionary definition. Then somehow, a circle of people started using it and it changed the definition. In fact, with some of them like "whack", developed TWO slang meanings- to kill someone OR someone/something is crazy. Same with "ass"- it refers both to a posterior AND a booty, a word that also means treasure or babies shoes.

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As for your example, it has to be your worst attempt yet!  His childish defence (a lot like a lot of yours) of "i had a different meaning" just shows his lack of maturity, and his unwillingness to face up to his consequences of his actions.  Even if he is innocent (except for perjury), there is no way he can take that seat.  He has tainted the position by lying under oath in an attempt to seal the position.  A judge is about truth, and when someone is prepared to abused and manipulate the truth to get the position, then they don't it.  As for what his position on sex laws will be...conflict of interest maybe?

Actually my example is how linguistics and slang start and how normal people talk.

I see very little in your above paragraph discounting the linguistic phenomenon that groups of people/friends use words, some of which might be slang, and develop their own meaning/usage.

One alternate definition of a term that most people think to mean something else is coincidence, and an example of an idiolect in action.  Several terms is a bit shady.  When the popular definitions which are not only connected, but used together, are then traded for new definitions that have no reason to put then together, then it reeks of manure.

Bangbus - porn site / japanese rape porn? (new to me, that is)
in the tradesman's - anal sex
pearl necklace - you can guess

Oh, no, i never use them to mean that:
Bangbus .... erm, bus full of old ladies
In the tradesman's ... erm yes, i have to enter my school in a different door to the students
Pearl necklace... as it sounds, i was looking for a present for my mother.

Individually, they may fly, but when they are all used around a common theme, and you choose a seperate theme for all?  Seriously?  Using 1 idiom out of context may sound strange, but to use several, where the original context fits the narrative perfectly, but the new narrative just seems awkward.  My friend likes to say ffffffffuCK?  really? 

How about....
You and your friends like to get women very, very drunk, and have sex with them?  You could say you FFFFF then perform a "Devil's triangle".  This would fit the stories levied against you.  Or..

You have a friend who says FFFFFFuCK and you like to play a drinking game with friends, a drinking game that no-one has ever heard of.

I smell manure!


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Re: Ford-Kavanaugh Hearing
« Reply #61 on: September 30, 2018, 12:30:18 PM »



That's a lot of airplane tickets!

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Re: Ford-Kavanaugh Hearing
« Reply #62 on: September 30, 2018, 01:33:37 PM »
One alternate definition of a term that most people think to mean something else is coincidence, and an example of an idiolect in action.  Several terms is a bit shady.  When the popular definitions which are not only connected, but used together, are then traded for new definitions that have no reason to put then together, then it reeks of manure.

Bangbus - porn site / japanese rape porn? (new to me, that is)
in the tradesman's - anal sex
pearl necklace - you can guess

Oh, no, i never use them to mean that:
Bangbus .... erm, bus full of old ladies
In the tradesman's ... erm yes, i have to enter my school in a different door to the students
Pearl necklace... as it sounds, i was looking for a present for my mother.

Individually, they may fly, but when they are all used around a common theme, and you choose a seperate theme for all?  Seriously?  Using 1 idiom out of context may sound strange, but to use several, where the original context fits the narrative perfectly, but the new narrative just seems awkward.  My friend likes to say ffffffffuCK?  really? 

How about....
You and your friends like to get women very, very drunk, and have sex with them?  You could say you FFFFF then perform a "Devil's triangle".  This would fit the stories levied against you.  Or..

You have a friend who says FFFFFFuCK and you like to play a drinking game with friends, a drinking game that no-one has ever heard of.

I smell manure!

You can believe that groups of friends never take words or phrases and adopt their own ingroup meaning of them or you can believe that this is a common occurrence and is in fact, indicative of why slang is so common and prevalent around the world.

We do it right here on waygook.org. The word "ajosshi" here is quite different than in Korean. Our "ajosshi" is essentially slang for an older Korean man who spits, beats his wife, whores, hates foreigners, and every other negative Korean stereotype under the sun. But you won't find our definition in any dictionary.

Or Hwaiting! In Korea its a slang word, now popularized, derived from "Fighting" and is meant to show enthusiasm and a positive attitude and as a kind of cheer. On waygook.org it is pretty much a sarcastic reply to the foibles of Korea.

Look at all the slang words and terms that constantly develop, many of them from established common words or even words that are already slang.

Sorry, but the notion that they can't have any other meaning but the popular one flies in the face of how slang gets developed and used among people.

Also, Kavanaugh didn't use them in a single sentence, they were slapped on as slogans on a yearbook page.

Me and my friends' yearbook pages are the same. There's at least 5-10 words/phrases that no one outside of our group would understand the context and meaning of. Same with all the other pages of different people in my HS yearbook.
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« Reply #63 on: September 30, 2018, 01:43:59 PM »
Let's start with something simple- ABC

Off the top of my head, ABC could be a reference to...

A Jackson 5 song
An alcohol store in Virginia
A shoe store in Korea
Always Be Closing, and the popular Alec Baldwin scene from Glengarry, Glen Ross
Anybody But Clinton
American Born Chinese
Almond Boneless Chicken
A$$ Breasts C(*ks
A$$3$ B*$ches C*&(ts
Asians Blacks Chicanos
Grades
Asians Be Cheatin
Asians Be Crazy
American Born Chaldean
Anything But Coors
A TV network
American Beer Chuggers

And I'm sure if you go through yearbooks and circles of friends around the country, you'll find plenty of unheard meanings that they use.

You can't assume you know what it stands for.
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« Reply #64 on: September 30, 2018, 10:34:52 PM »
So her most convincing evidence is from remembering what happened 30 years later in a therapy session, but she doesn't even present the therapy notes?  Actually she withheld them?  Wow great justice, guilty until proven innocent?  Disgusting.   

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« Reply #65 on: September 30, 2018, 11:05:57 PM »
Let's start with something simple- ABC

Off the top of my head, ABC could be a reference to...

A Jackson 5 song
An alcohol store in Virginia
A shoe store in Korea
Always Be Closing, and the popular Alec Baldwin scene from Glengarry, Glen Ross
Anybody But Clinton
American Born Chinese
Almond Boneless Chicken
A$$ Breasts C(*ks
A$$3$ B*$ches C*&(ts
Asians Blacks Chicanos
Grades
Asians Be Cheatin
Asians Be Crazy
American Born Chaldean
Anything But Coors
A TV network
American Beer Chuggers

And I'm sure if you go through yearbooks and circles of friends around the country, you'll find plenty of unheard meanings that they use.

You can't assume you know what it stands for.


Dude you don't have to justify slang.  In my yearbook the editor (My friend) totally made up my quote.  So now without evidence I said what was said in my yearbook?  F off. 

This is not about truth.  There is evil in this world and presuming guilty before innocent is evil.

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Re: Ford-Kavanaugh Hearing
« Reply #66 on: September 30, 2018, 11:07:19 PM »
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/09/how-we-know-kavanaugh-is-lying

A long but fascinating read.  Hard to argue with this reasoning.

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   Itís one of the most blatant lies Iíve ever seen. Itís special among the lies because itís not a simple denial. Itís a completely fake game that he invented whole cloth. Every guy who went to my D.C.-area high school knows what ďdevilís triangleĒ means. Iím sure Brett Kavanaugh knows what it means, too. There is no reference to this ďdrinking gameĒ on the entire internet or in the entire history of books written in English. There are, however, tons of references to the other act, an act that a high school jock would be into joking about. And itís relevant to the crime because itís literally what Ford is accusing Kavanaugh and Judge of attempting to do.   


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« Reply #67 on: October 01, 2018, 01:39:39 AM »
He lied about how he got admitted to Yale. His grandfather was a Yalie, and he was a legacy. "I worked my tail off" is a blatant lie.

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« Reply #68 on: October 01, 2018, 01:55:04 AM »
For a job interview to a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court, two charactetistics one for sure wants...

1. Honesty
2. Lack of bias ( at least impartiality from party politcs)

And so a liar and Clinton accuser ought to nixed from consideration INDEPENDENT of any sexual crime a candidate might be suspected of.

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« Reply #69 on: October 01, 2018, 04:44:02 AM »
For a job interview to a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court, two charactetistics one for sure wants...

1. Honesty
2. Lack of bias ( at least impartiality from party politcs)

And so a liar and Clinton accuser ought to nixed from consideration INDEPENDENT of any sexual crime a candidate might be suspected of.

which wouldn't have come up so plainly if someone hadn't made a stand

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« Reply #70 on: October 01, 2018, 07:46:07 AM »
He lied about how he got admitted to Yale. His grandfather was a Yalie, and he was a legacy. "I worked my tail off" is a blatant lie.

You are in error (note I dont instantly go and say LIAR!!!!)

Kavanaugh was referring to Yale Law School, not Yale undergraduate. Legacy helped him get into Yale but not the Law School.

Legacy helps a lot but it's not everything.

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« Reply #71 on: October 01, 2018, 07:53:08 AM »
Sligo, give it up.  You've triggered Martin into one of his pointless, inconsequential details argument and bolding certain sentences.  I mean 'ABC'?   :rolleyes:  Honestly, if Kavanaugh had written 'KKK' in his year book, Martin would argue it stood for 'Kool Kids Kollective', and would argue that shouldn't stop him from being on the Supreme Court as well.  Martin, again, comes across as a douchebag in this thread, and by that I mean a showerbag, obviously.

Loved this SNL with Matt Damon.  Just his opening line.... 'WHAT!!'



Inconsequential detail? Thank you for agreeing that whatever was in his yearbook is an inconsequential detail.

I notice you haven't addressed how slang is used, adopted, and adapted and the phenomenon of multiple slang terms existing for the same word or acronym.

Nice job with the personal attack and ignoring the issue.
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« Reply #72 on: October 01, 2018, 08:09:55 AM »
For a job interview to a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court, two charactetistics one for sure wants...

1. Honesty
2. Lack of bias ( at least impartiality from party politcs)

And so a liar and Clinton accuser ought to nixed from consideration INDEPENDENT of any sexual crime a candidate might be suspected of.

Regarding honesty, a couple things. First, during confirmation hearings, ALL justices will obfuscate regarding things to avoid "gotcha" moments because the broader public lacks the temperament andthe knowledge to appreciate their judicial history. I don't begrudge jurists on either side doing that.

And thats what was going on here as well. Both sides trying to get Ford and Kavansugh caught in "gotcha!" moments. I do think the Republicans were far more respectful of Ford than the Democrats were of Kavanaugh, many of whom seemed to have prejudged him.

Impartiality on the Court is a mixed bag. Contrary to popular opinion, on most SCOTUS cases, you get 9-0 or 8-1 or 7-2 decisions. In 5-4 cases ot almost always breaks down along predictable party lines. Most of the justices aren't swing justices.

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« Reply #73 on: October 01, 2018, 08:20:47 AM »
Gotta admit, this whole thing has made me pretty angry. The left has gone too far with this #believeher bs. This isn't a trial, but its implications are far reaching. You need evidence and witnesses that this happened, or else you can't determine anything. Every single witness has refuted her story. None of them know Kavanaugh. Major holes in her story...And this happened 35 years ago.

Could you imagine a world where if you're accused, you're guilty until proven innocent? Anytime there was a disagreement or bad ending between people, someone could just lie and say they were assaulted and seek revenge on you. Talk about dystopian...

Anyways, seems like a major hit job from a desperate Democratic Party who doesn't want another conservative judge.

I don't like Kavanaugh or his politics but this is not justice. This is has ruined this guys life, all for political gain. Disgusting.

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« Reply #74 on: October 01, 2018, 08:42:50 AM »
I don't like Kavanaugh or his politics but this is not justice. This is has ruined this guys life, all for political gain. Disgusting.
Think about it- since Trump has become President, the left has come out against 1st Amendment and free speech, against the 2nd Amendment, and now against Due Process and Innocent Until Proven Guilty. Yet they say Trump is the danger. Yet what freedoms have been curtailed under Trump? What actual stuff has happened? Meanwhile real people are getting censored and harassed for having conservative opinions, people calling for a repeal of the 2nd Amendment, and now in cases of sexual assault we have gone from a sensible "All women should be heard" to an insane "All women should be believed".

If you don't like the way this is going, even if you don't care for Kavanaugh's politics, do get out and vote this November and send a message that enough is enough.

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« Reply #75 on: October 01, 2018, 08:44:28 AM »
What personal attack?  What are you talking about?  I meant 'showerbag'.  That isn't a personal attack, is it?  Why would you take offence at that?  Like 'boof', means 'farting'.  As in 'Did you 'boof' yet?'  Kapish? You're a little sensitive today I see, Martin.

Your post as a whole was a personal attack that didn't address the issue. I could care less about one mocking line.

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« Reply #76 on: October 01, 2018, 08:44:45 AM »
Gotta admit, this whole thing has made me pretty angry. The left has gone too far with this #believeher bs. This isn't a trial, but its implications are far reaching.[Republicans appointed a prosecutor to ask Dr. Ford questions] You need evidence and witnesses that this happened, or else you can't determine anything. [That's why there is a FBI Investigation] Every single witness has refuted her story. [False! They said they can't remember, not that they denied it happened] None of them know Kavanaugh. [Mark Judge knows him] Major holes in her story...And this happened 35 years ago. [Kavanaugh has calendars from 35 years ago. Freaky!]

Rebuttal in Italics.

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« Reply #77 on: October 01, 2018, 09:10:14 AM »
Republicans appointed a prosecutor to ask Dr. Ford questions
Wrong, they asked a woman with experience as a Prosecutor, particularly in handling sex crimes, to be the one to ask her questions. As a prosecutor, that woman has experience dealing with victims of sex crimes and knows what questions to ask and how to ask them in a way that allows her to both scrutinize the alleged victim's claims, while making them feel comfortable.

People say the Republicans were using her as "cover". This is true, but not in the sense that most people are thinking. She was there to decide how credible Ford and Kavanaugh were and she was the one who would make the recommendation on them sticking with Kavanaugh or bailing on him.

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That's why there is a FBI Investigation
What would the FBI turn up? Any witness to something 35 years ago is going to be incredibly unreliable without some form of non-memory based evidence. All the people alleged to be there have denied any recollection of the event.

Besides, the Democrats will move the goalposts on this and say the investigation was too brief and then they'll blame Kavanaugh's 'temperament'. Nothing is good enough.

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Kavanaugh has calendars from 35 years ago. Freaky!
That kind of organization, following parental advice, discipline, and so on is probably why he went to Yale Law School and is now a Federal Judge. Perhaps if we had similar levels of discipline and listened to our parents, we might not be singing the ABC song.

I am not jealous of Kavanaugh, nor resentful at his upbringing.

Democrats need to stop yaking about Kavanaugh and get back to talking about Ford. If they make this about Kavanaugh, they'll lose.

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« Reply #78 on: October 01, 2018, 09:39:53 AM »
Dave, if you're going to make this thread about your personal dislike of me, please leave.

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« Reply #79 on: October 01, 2018, 09:47:43 AM »

If you don't like the way this is going, even if you don't care for Kavanaugh's politics, do get out and vote this November and send a message that enough is enough.

Van Jones will be calling it a "male-lash" because they're going to lose some seats over this. Liberal-centrist men are becoming disenchanted with the theatrics. I'm one of them.