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Gun nuttier
« on: August 27, 2018, 09:04:11 AM »
The shootings continue to spread, now it's high school football games and sore Madden football losers. I don't think that's what drumpf meant when he said there wasn't enough. hitting in the NFL.

But I could be wrong.

It looks like it will be up to individual municipalities to do something about guns, although they may well have to fight the courts and the judges the NRA has handpicked.

"A well-regulated militia",,,I'd say it's past time for some real regulation.

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Re: Gun nuttier
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2018, 10:45:58 AM »
I'm so damn tired of this. And the fact that people are so desensitized to it says a lot.

One of the most powerful countries in the world, and this is the only place it happens. There's no excuse.
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Re: Gun nuttier
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2018, 12:10:15 PM »
I'm so damn tired of this. And the fact that people are so desensitized to it says a lot.

One of the most powerful countries in the world, and this is the only place it happens. There's no excuse.


https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/sorry-despite-gun-control-advocates-claims-u-s-isnt-the-worst-country-for-mass-shootings/

Every shooting is absolutely horrific. No doubt it's a problem. But why does it always turn into a launching pad for gun ban propaganda? It's not reasonable.

There are 5 times as many deaths by knives than firearms, should we then ban knives as well?
Per-capita, the U.S. owns way more guns than any other country, and yet, it has less per-capita mass shootings than a number of European countries with bans. In a perfect world, it'd be great, but people are going to get their hands on what they want, whether it's drugs, guns, or whatever.

Maybe the U.S can invest some money in gun safety and mental health to create a safe culture behind guns instead of lazily turning it into a black market.

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Re: Gun nuttier
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2018, 12:14:55 PM »
I'm so damn tired of this. And the fact that people are so desensitized to it says a lot.

One of the most powerful countries in the world, and this is the only place it happens. There's no excuse.


https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/sorry-despite-gun-control-advocates-claims-u-s-isnt-the-worst-country-for-mass-shootings/

Every shooting is absolutely horrific. No doubt it's a problem. But why does it always turn into a launching pad for gun ban propaganda? It's not reasonable.

There are 5 times as many deaths by knives than firearms, should we then ban knives as well?
Per-capita, the U.S. owns way more guns than any other country, and yet, it has less per-capita mass shootings than a number of European countries with bans. In a perfect world, it'd be great, but people are going to get their hands on what they want, whether it's drugs, guns, or whatever.

Maybe the U.S can invest some money in gun safety and mental health to create a safe culture behind guns instead of lazily turning it into a black market.

I'm aware banning guns would be impossible with the current state of things, and never stated that we should do so. But SOMETHING needs to happen! People just sitting around, saying "Oh well, that's life!" every time this happens and the ones in charge who don't give a damn are the biggest problem. There needs to be some form of change. This shouldn't be something that people accept as reality
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Re: Gun nuttier
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2018, 12:59:45 PM »
I'm so damn tired of this. And the fact that people are so desensitized to it says a lot.

One of the most powerful countries in the world, and this is the only place it happens. There's no excuse.


https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/sorry-despite-gun-control-advocates-claims-u-s-isnt-the-worst-country-for-mass-shootings/

Every shooting is absolutely horrific. No doubt it's a problem. But why does it always turn into a launching pad for gun ban propaganda? It's not reasonable.

There are 5 times as many deaths by knives than firearms, should we then ban knives as well?
 
Per-capita, the U.S. owns way more guns than any other country, and yet, it has less per-capita mass shootings than a number of European countries with bans. In a perfect world, it'd be great, but people are going to get their hands on what they want, whether it's drugs, guns, or whatever.

Maybe the U.S can invest some money in gun safety and mental health to create a safe culture behind guns instead of lazily turning it into a black market.
There are 5 times as many deaths by knives than rifles is what the article actually says. However, most gun murders are committed with handguns.

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Re: Gun nuttier
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2018, 01:02:12 PM »
One way to reduce gun violence would be to simply require everyone who wants to purchase a gun to obtain a permit from the police. There is already such a system in place in Canada and in some states. Connecticut experienced a 40% reduction in gun homicides after its permit-to-purchase law was passed. 

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Objectives. We sought to estimate the effect of Connecticut’s implementation of a handgun permit-to-purchase law in October 1995 on subsequent homicides.

Methods. Using the synthetic control method, we compared Connecticut’s homicide rates after the law’s implementation to rates we would have expected had the law not been implemented. To estimate the counterfactual, we used longitudinal data from a weighted combination of comparison states identified based on the ability of their prelaw homicide trends and covariates to predict prelaw homicide trends in Connecticut.

Results. We estimated that the law was associated with a 40% reduction in Connecticut’s firearm homicide rates during the first 10 years that the law was in place. By contrast, there was no evidence for a reduction in nonfirearm homicides.

Conclusions. Consistent with prior research, this study demonstrated that Connecticut’s handgun permit-to-purchase law was associated with a subsequent reduction in homicide rates. As would be expected if the law drove the reduction, the policy’s effects were only evident for homicides committed with firearms.
https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/10.2105/AJPH.2015.302703

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Re: Gun nuttier
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2018, 08:21:54 PM »
This just goes to show that the USA is its own producer of terrorists.

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Re: Gun nuttier
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2018, 08:23:11 PM »
I'm so damn tired of this. And the fact that people are so desensitized to it says a lot.

One of the most powerful countries in the world, and this is the only place it happens. There's no excuse.


https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/sorry-despite-gun-control-advocates-claims-u-s-isnt-the-worst-country-for-mass-shootings/

Every shooting is absolutely horrific. No doubt it's a problem. But why does it always turn into a launching pad for gun ban propaganda? It's not reasonable.

There are 5 times as many deaths by knives than firearms, should we then ban knives as well?
Per-capita, the U.S. owns way more guns than any other country, and yet, it has less per-capita mass shootings than a number of European countries with bans. In a perfect world, it'd be great, but people are going to get their hands on what they want, whether it's drugs, guns, or whatever.

Maybe the U.S can invest some money in gun safety and mental health to create a safe culture behind guns instead of lazily turning it into a black market.
Per capita because the US has a much larger population. That's a misleading statistic, NRA-funded no doubt.

As for knives:
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According to FBI data for 2016, 11,004 of the 15,070 murders in the United States were committed with firearms. Handguns were the most common type of firearm used in 7,105 cases. In 3,263 cases, the type of gun was not reported to the FBI or was listed as “other” while in 903 instances, the weapon was not identified or was listed as “other.”

It’s unlikely that a total of 374 murders in the U.S. were committed with rifles in 2016, given the fact that in more than 4,000 cases the weapon or type of gun was not specified in the UCR. What is clear from the figures, however, is that handguns are by far the most-used murder weapon, probably because they are easier to transport and conceal. Phillip Cook, Terry Sanford Professor Emeritus of Public Policy Studies at Duke University, told us: