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Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2018, 04:45:42 AM »
You Tube and Facebook never banned Louis Farrakhan, but they banned Alex Jones.
That is hypocritical. If Alex Jones has a mental health issue, then he needs to seek
help and stay off the air for a while. The problem is that some Americans don't know
how to be moderate.

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Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2018, 08:08:00 AM »
You Tube and Facebook never banned Louis Farrakhan, but they banned Alex Jones.
That is hypocritical. If Alex Jones has a mental health issue, then he needs to seek
help and stay off the air for a while. The problem is that some Americans don't know
how to be moderate.

No disagreement there.

Zuckerberg supposedly thinks Jones went out of his way to get banned for the publicity.

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Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2018, 10:07:09 AM »
I very much agree with this. Twitter isn't banning Ross Douthat and nobody is going out of their way to shut down David French's public appearances. What's the difference between them and, say, Ann Coulter or Alex Jones? It really has very little to do with free speech. And if you want a taste of real hate, head over to Breitbart and check out any article in which someone tagged as a liberal is called out for saying or tweeting something offensive to that crowd. You'll see how deep the conservative commitment to free speech really runs.

Actually, if you look at our campuses, mainstream figures like Condi Rice and Ben Shapiro are invited to college campuses and they have to have police because people try to riot.

Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders is invited to be a guest speaker at Liberty University, the university makes attendance mandatory because they believe that students need to have their viewpoints challenged and that college is about learning and broadening your view. There are no protests, no riots. Bernie speaks and is not interrupted once, and receives polite applause throughout. Afterwards, many students form discussion circles to debate, share, and reflect on the speech they just heard.

This is at Liberty University, one of the most right-wing campuses in all of America. The left has a free-speech problem that the right does not have at this moment.

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Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2018, 10:13:57 AM »
I very much agree with this. Twitter isn't banning Ross Douthat and nobody is going out of their way to shut down David French's public appearances. What's the difference between them and, say, Ann Coulter or Alex Jones? It really has very little to do with free speech. And if you want a taste of real hate, head over to Breitbart and check out any article in which someone tagged as a liberal is called out for saying or tweeting something offensive to that crowd. You'll see how deep the conservative commitment to free speech really runs.

Actually, if you look at our campuses, mainstream figures like Condi Rice and Ben Shapiro are invited to college campuses and they have to have police because people try to riot.

Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders is invited to be a guest speaker at Liberty University, the university makes attendance mandatory because they believe that students need to have their viewpoints challenged and that college is about learning and broadening your view. There are no protests, no riots. Bernie speaks and is not interrupted once, and receives polite applause throughout. Afterwards, many students form discussion circles to debate, share, and reflect on the speech they just heard.

This is at Liberty University, one of the most right-wing campuses in all of America. The left has a free-speech problem that the right does not have at this moment.

Ann Coulter goes out of her way to be obnoxious but I don't get why they think Ben Shapiro spouts hate speech. He seems to just espouse the typical republican personal responsibility, small government line. Or is it because he's anti abortion?

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Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2018, 10:27:19 AM »
I very much agree with this. Twitter isn't banning Ross Douthat and nobody is going out of their way to shut down David French's public appearances. What's the difference between them and, say, Ann Coulter or Alex Jones? It really has very little to do with free speech. And if you want a taste of real hate, head over to Breitbart and check out any article in which someone tagged as a liberal is called out for saying or tweeting something offensive to that crowd. You'll see how deep the conservative commitment to free speech really runs.

Actually, if you look at our campuses, mainstream figures like Condi Rice and Ben Shapiro are invited to college campuses and they have to have police because people try to riot.

Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders is invited to be a guest speaker at Liberty University, the university makes attendance mandatory because they believe that students need to have their viewpoints challenged and that college is about learning and broadening your view. There are no protests, no riots. Bernie speaks and is not interrupted once, and receives polite applause throughout. Afterwards, many students form discussion circles to debate, share, and reflect on the speech they just heard.

This is at Liberty University, one of the most right-wing campuses in all of America. The left has a free-speech problem that the right does not have at this moment.

Ann Coulter goes out of her way to be obnoxious but I don't get why they think Ben Shapiro spouts hate speech. He seems to just espouse the typical republican personal responsibility, small government line. Or is it because he's anti abortion?

People like Ann Coulter and Ben Shapiro do not educate people on "conservatism". Their roles are ones of "provocateurs", with the aim of claiming gotchas on Liberalism and catching news headlines.

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Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2018, 10:28:20 AM »
Ann Coulter goes out of her way to be obnoxious but I don't get why they think Ben Shapiro spouts hate speech. He seems to just espouse the typical republican personal responsibility, small government line. Or is it because he's anti abortion?
I'm guessing to a certain subset, his views on abortion, homosexuality, and transgenderism make him worse than Hitler.

I will say, based on comment threads on political sites, I've observed that Ben Shapiro actually has a sizable liberal fanbase. A lot of liberals like him as a counterpoint because while they might not agree with him, they can understand why he thinks the way he does and he presents things logically.

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Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2018, 10:29:00 AM »
People like Ann Coulter and Ben Shapiro do not educate people on "conservatism". Their roles are ones of "provocateurs", with the aim of claiming gotchas on Liberalism and catching news headlines.
For sure Ann Coulter, I wouldn't say that about Ben Shapiro.

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Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2018, 12:02:59 PM »
I very much agree with this. Twitter isn't banning Ross Douthat and nobody is going out of their way to shut down David French's public appearances. What's the difference between them and, say, Ann Coulter or Alex Jones? It really has very little to do with free speech. And if you want a taste of real hate, head over to Breitbart and check out any article in which someone tagged as a liberal is called out for saying or tweeting something offensive to that crowd. You'll see how deep the conservative commitment to free speech really runs.

Actually, if you look at our campuses, mainstream figures like Condi Rice and Ben Shapiro are invited to college campuses and they have to have police because people try to riot.

Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders is invited to be a guest speaker at Liberty University, the university makes attendance mandatory because they believe that students need to have their viewpoints challenged and that college is about learning and broadening your view. There are no protests, no riots. Bernie speaks and is not interrupted once, and receives polite applause throughout. Afterwards, many students form discussion circles to debate, share, and reflect on the speech they just heard.

This is at Liberty University, one of the most right-wing campuses in all of America. The left has a free-speech problem that the right does not have at this moment.

Ann Coulter goes out of her way to be obnoxious but I don't get why they think Ben Shapiro spouts hate speech. He seems to just espouse the typical republican personal responsibility, small government line. Or is it because he's anti abortion?

People like Ann Coulter and Ben Shapiro do not educate people on "conservatism". Their roles are ones of "provocateurs", with the aim of claiming gotchas on Liberalism and catching news headlines.

Actually Shapiro specifically invites people who don't agree with him to ask him questions at the end of his speeches. Even if you don't agree with his answer to your question you're free to ask it and you can learn about the conservative response to the particular issue.

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Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2018, 08:33:56 PM »
Even though I have posted him occasionally, I don't always agree with him.  When he's right, he's really right and when he's wrong, he's really wrong.  Sometimes he goes off the deep end.  But free speech is free speech.  Without it, you don't have freedom.  It sets a dangerous precident.  Even if they are private companies here, they are monopolies similiar to utilities.  Maybe some of these big tech firms need to be broken up.  Relying on left wing George Soros funded snopes to be their "fact checkers" when only some "facts" are checked is dead wrong. 

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Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
« Reply #29 on: August 14, 2018, 11:20:38 AM »
I very much agree with this. Twitter isn't banning Ross Douthat and nobody is going out of their way to shut down David French's public appearances. What's the difference between them and, say, Ann Coulter or Alex Jones? It really has very little to do with free speech. And if you want a taste of real hate, head over to Breitbart and check out any article in which someone tagged as a liberal is called out for saying or tweeting something offensive to that crowd. You'll see how deep the conservative commitment to free speech really runs.

Actually, if you look at our campuses, mainstream figures like Condi Rice and Ben Shapiro are invited to college campuses and they have to have police because people try to riot.

Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders is invited to be a guest speaker at Liberty University, the university makes attendance mandatory because they believe that students need to have their viewpoints challenged and that college is about learning and broadening your view. There are no protests, no riots. Bernie speaks and is not interrupted once, and receives polite applause throughout. Afterwards, many students form discussion circles to debate, share, and reflect on the speech they just heard.

This is at Liberty University, one of the most right-wing campuses in all of America. The left has a free-speech problem that the right does not have at this moment.
Students would be punished if they didn't observe the rules and what was expected of them. Demerits, baby.

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Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
« Reply #30 on: August 14, 2018, 12:12:07 PM »
I very much agree with this. Twitter isn't banning Ross Douthat and nobody is going out of their way to shut down David French's public appearances. What's the difference between them and, say, Ann Coulter or Alex Jones? It really has very little to do with free speech. And if you want a taste of real hate, head over to Breitbart and check out any article in which someone tagged as a liberal is called out for saying or tweeting something offensive to that crowd. You'll see how deep the conservative commitment to free speech really runs.

Actually, if you look at our campuses, mainstream figures like Condi Rice and Ben Shapiro are invited to college campuses and they have to have police because people try to riot.

Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders is invited to be a guest speaker at Liberty University, the university makes attendance mandatory because they believe that students need to have their viewpoints challenged and that college is about learning and broadening your view. There are no protests, no riots. Bernie speaks and is not interrupted once, and receives polite applause throughout. Afterwards, many students form discussion circles to debate, share, and reflect on the speech they just heard.

This is at Liberty University, one of the most right-wing campuses in all of America. The left has a free-speech problem that the right does not have at this moment.
Students would be punished if they didn't observe the rules and what was expected of them. Demerits, baby.
By all accounts, most of the students were interested in the event. Of course some would rather play video games in their dorm room or whatever, but that's every college.

Liberty and its student body still showed that their levels of commitment to intellectual stimulation, reasoned debate, and mature conduct were exemplary. I think leftist students and their administrators could learn a thing or two.

No one at Liberty flipped out and started smashing Starbucks windows and trying to mace people and hit them with sign sticks.

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Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
« Reply #31 on: August 14, 2018, 03:51:18 PM »
You're using extreme outlier events to draw a contrast when there is plenty of reasonable middle ground activity that never makes the news. I worked at a major public university in Texas for two years, one known for its liberal reputation. Nearly every day the campus Republicans and that libertarian group, Students for Liberty, had stalls set up on the main plaza. Both groups staged educational and social events on a regular basis, none of which inspired rioting by "leftists". The Republican group even did some idiotic, racially charged anti-affirmative action and anti-immigration provocations, and there were no less than three "dress up as a Mexican" frat parties during my time there. There was also an ongoing controversy surrounding Confederate statues on campus. At most, there were small, peaceful demonstrations, a handful of student government special sessions and some opinionated ink spilled in the student newspaper. In fact, the people to come under most fire for expression are the anti-war professors who get routinely harassed by the "patriot" mobs whipped by David Horowitz and his crowd. 

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Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2018, 12:00:00 PM »
I very much agree with this. Twitter isn't banning Ross Douthat and nobody is going out of their way to shut down David French's public appearances. What's the difference between them and, say, Ann Coulter or Alex Jones? It really has very little to do with free speech. And if you want a taste of real hate, head over to Breitbart and check out any article in which someone tagged as a liberal is called out for saying or tweeting something offensive to that crowd. You'll see how deep the conservative commitment to free speech really runs.

Actually, if you look at our campuses, mainstream figures like Condi Rice and Ben Shapiro are invited to college campuses and they have to have police because people try to riot.

Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders is invited to be a guest speaker at Liberty University, the university makes attendance mandatory because they believe that students need to have their viewpoints challenged and that college is about learning and broadening your view. There are no protests, no riots. Bernie speaks and is not interrupted once, and receives polite applause throughout. Afterwards, many students form discussion circles to debate, share, and reflect on the speech they just heard.

This is at Liberty University, one of the most right-wing campuses in all of America. The left has a free-speech problem that the right does not have at this moment.
Students would be punished if they didn't observe the rules and what was expected of them. Demerits, baby.
By all accounts, most of the students were interested in the event. Of course some would rather play video games in their dorm room or whatever, but that's every college.

Liberty and its student body still showed that their levels of commitment to intellectual stimulation, reasoned debate, and mature conduct were exemplary. I think leftist students and their administrators could learn a thing or two.

No one at Liberty flipped out and started smashing Starbucks windows and trying to mace people and hit them with sign sticks.
Whose accounts?


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Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
« Reply #33 on: August 16, 2018, 06:36:04 AM »
An excellent argument in favor of social media platforms being regulated like public utilities:

"Annoying though biased legacy media like CNN may be, biased social media is a far greater threat. Facebook claims to have boosted voter turnout by 3 percent in 2016 by making small tweaks to their algorithm. And studies have shown that if search engines like Google manipulated their results to favor particular candidates, they could sway up to 40 percent of undecided voters....

"Establishment parties will be severely hampered by social media bias, but they can always fall back on broadcast media and their nationwide network of activists to get their message out. Grassroots movements have no such luxury. Success on Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, and even Reddit and 4chan mean life or death for a modern grassroots movement....

"Beyond social media, grassroots conservatives rely on online services for fundraising. There, the problem of bias is even worse than it is on social media. Right-wing commentators have been routinely kicked off fundraising platforms on bogus charges....

"Public utilities are industries that are, among other things, subject to common carrier regulations. Public airlines, for example, arenít allowed to deny you service because of your political views. The water company canít shut off access to your shower if they donít like your singing. The phone line canít cut off your call because they donít like what youíre saying. So why should social media platforms, so essential to modern communication, be allowed to do the same?

"During the Obama administration, internet service providers (ISPs) were also subject to common carrier regulations, a regulation branded 'Net Neutrality' by its supporters. Net Neutrality was overkill, not least because ISPs hadnít demonstrated any interest in censoring content on the internet. Social media companies, on the other hand, do so regularly. And in many countries, Facebook is the internet. In developing countries, Facebook users often say in surveys that they donít use the internet ó because they only use Facebook. The fact that Facebook is connected to the internet doesnít even register.

"If the internet can be argued to be a public utility, as the left argued when it pushed for Net Neutrality, then what happens when the social media giants take over so much of the internet that for all intents and purposes they become the internet?....

"Imagine if UPS and Fedex owned a road connecting two cities. Now imagine that, between themselves, they decided DHL vehicles were no longer allowed to use that road. Antitrust lawyers would be salivating. It surely isnít a fair business practice for two companies to get together and lock a company out of an entire distribution network.

"Something very similar happened to Gab, a free speech maximalist competitor to Twitter. Itís been locked out of the Google Play store and the Apple App store. Google and Apple, between themselves, control 99 percent of the market in smartphone operating systems. Thatís not an exaggerated number. 99 percent."
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/08/14/bokhari-why-tech-giants-arent-like-christian-bakeries/


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Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
« Reply #34 on: August 16, 2018, 10:05:25 AM »


I read that Stefan Molyneux was recently targeted too.

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Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
« Reply #35 on: August 16, 2018, 10:23:23 AM »
I very much agree with this. Twitter isn't banning Ross Douthat and nobody is going out of their way to shut down David French's public appearances. What's the difference between them and, say, Ann Coulter or Alex Jones? It really has very little to do with free speech. And if you want a taste of real hate, head over to Breitbart and check out any article in which someone tagged as a liberal is called out for saying or tweeting something offensive to that crowd. You'll see how deep the conservative commitment to free speech really runs.

Actually, if you look at our campuses, mainstream figures like Condi Rice and Ben Shapiro are invited to college campuses and they have to have police because people try to riot.

Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders is invited to be a guest speaker at Liberty University, the university makes attendance mandatory because they believe that students need to have their viewpoints challenged and that college is about learning and broadening your view. There are no protests, no riots. Bernie speaks and is not interrupted once, and receives polite applause throughout. Afterwards, many students form discussion circles to debate, share, and reflect on the speech they just heard.

This is at Liberty University, one of the most right-wing campuses in all of America. The left has a free-speech problem that the right does not have at this moment.
Students would be punished if they didn't observe the rules and what was expected of them. Demerits, baby.
By all accounts, most of the students were interested in the event. Of course some would rather play video games in their dorm room or whatever, but that's every college.

Liberty and its student body still showed that their levels of commitment to intellectual stimulation, reasoned debate, and mature conduct were exemplary. I think leftist students and their administrators could learn a thing or two.

No one at Liberty flipped out and started smashing Starbucks windows and trying to mace people and hit them with sign sticks.
Whose accounts?

https://www.roanoke.com/news/politics/liberty-university-students-react-to-bernie-sanders/article_e9d78640-630e-5c44-b45b-c5297fa81e95.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/14/bernie-sanders-liberty-university-evangelical-christians

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/what-bernie-sanders-can-bring-to-liberty-university/404926/

https://www.npr.org/2015/09/14/440327592/bernie-sanders-speaks-to-christian-conservatives-at-liberty-university

The conservative students behaved like adults and understood that college is about having your views challenged and respected the speaker for taking the risk to speak with them.

The Angry Left on campus need safe spaces, trigger warnings, riot, declare people Nazis, shout them down, and don't want to be challenged.

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Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
« Reply #36 on: August 16, 2018, 11:07:39 AM »
Yes, thank goodness for the level-headed moderation of conservatives, such as that displayed in CDW's meme and hangook's George Soros comment. And since this thread was originally about Alex Jones, he also deserves a shout out for serving as the calm counterpoint to all that irrational anger on the left.

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Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
« Reply #37 on: August 16, 2018, 11:19:20 AM »
I very much agree with this. Twitter isn't banning Ross Douthat and nobody is going out of their way to shut down David French's public appearances. What's the difference between them and, say, Ann Coulter or Alex Jones? It really has very little to do with free speech. And if you want a taste of real hate, head over to Breitbart and check out any article in which someone tagged as a liberal is called out for saying or tweeting something offensive to that crowd. You'll see how deep the conservative commitment to free speech really runs.

Actually, if you look at our campuses, mainstream figures like Condi Rice and Ben Shapiro are invited to college campuses and they have to have police because people try to riot.

Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders is invited to be a guest speaker at Liberty University, the university makes attendance mandatory because they believe that students need to have their viewpoints challenged and that college is about learning and broadening your view. There are no protests, no riots. Bernie speaks and is not interrupted once, and receives polite applause throughout. Afterwards, many students form discussion circles to debate, share, and reflect on the speech they just heard.

This is at Liberty University, one of the most right-wing campuses in all of America. The left has a free-speech problem that the right does not have at this moment.
Students would be punished if they didn't observe the rules and what was expected of them. Demerits, baby.
By all accounts, most of the students were interested in the event. Of course some would rather play video games in their dorm room or whatever, but that's every college.

Liberty and its student body still showed that their levels of commitment to intellectual stimulation, reasoned debate, and mature conduct were exemplary. I think leftist students and their administrators could learn a thing or two.

No one at Liberty flipped out and started smashing Starbucks windows and trying to mace people and hit them with sign sticks.
Whose accounts?

https://www.roanoke.com/news/politics/liberty-university-students-react-to-bernie-sanders/article_e9d78640-630e-5c44-b45b-c5297fa81e95.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/14/bernie-sanders-liberty-university-evangelical-christians

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/what-bernie-sanders-can-bring-to-liberty-university/404926/

https://www.npr.org/2015/09/14/440327592/bernie-sanders-speaks-to-christian-conservatives-at-liberty-university

The conservative students behaved like adults and understood that college is about having your views challenged and respected the speaker for taking the risk to speak with them.

The Angry Left on campus need safe spaces, trigger warnings, riot, declare people Nazis, shout them down, and don't want to be challenged.
The Atlantic article is the opinion of ONE student.

Interested? Not quite:

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The speech was received politely, but other than among a small group of vocal supporters from other local colleges, it was met with almost total silence by the majority of students who had packed into the campus arena for their weekly ďconvocationĒ.

From NPR:
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I have to say that it was a mandatory thing. The students had to attend, but they said that they appreciated his message.
If people on the left are angry, it's because people on the right such as yourself and the candidates they support are liars, hypocrites and crooks.

Candidate for Florida State House Admits She Lied About Graduating From College https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/13/us/melissa-howard-diploma-florida-gop.html

Chris Collins insider trading case could prompt House ethics crackdown https://buffalonews.com/2018/08/15/collins-case-could-prompt-house-ethics-crackdown/

You're lazy--you never read the articles that you post links to.

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Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
« Reply #38 on: August 16, 2018, 12:28:16 PM »

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The speech was received politely, but other than among a small group of vocal supporters from other local colleges, it was met with almost total silence by the majority of students who had packed into the campus arena for their weekly ďconvocationĒ.

From NPR:
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I have to say that it was a mandatory thing. The students had to attend, but they said that they appreciated his message.

Yes, they didn't applaud. That doesn't mean they were disinterested. And the articles did mention polite applause.

And yes it was mandatory, but they also were allowed to skip one speaker out of the slate during the semester, and most chose to listen to Bernie because it was interesting.

No one complained about having to attend. The students participated and asked questions and were polite. No one screamed or went all Trigglypuff.

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Re: Alex Jones Got Banned
« Reply #39 on: August 16, 2018, 12:56:51 PM »
And then they hooted and cheered for a scheming, dishonest, greedy, philandering, ostentatious braggart who defrauded students of his own "university", then wrapped his narcissistic ambition in a performance of Christianity so cynical and self-serving that it was less believable than Eric Idle in Nuns on the Run. Later, many went out voted for him.

And thus ceded any moral high ground they held by not rioting at a Bernie Sanders speech.

I'm guessing to a certain subset, his views on abortion, homosexuality, and transgenderism make him almost Christ-like.
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